Good team
Warriors
Draft players. Also have spent millions for extra 2 nd rounders
Do not trade draft picks for players
Use free agency to acquire other players
Just one example. Could throw the Spurs in there-- could throw Boston in there
Is San Antonio giving up 2 lottery picks Znd 2 additional draft picks for anyone? No they never do
Draft opportunistic trade and straight free agency
is a difference between smart people with integrity and bunch of idiot scumbags.
BRIGGS wrote:Good teamWarriors
Draft players. Also have spent millions for extra 2 nd rounders
Do not trade draft picks for players
Use free agency to acquire other players
Just one example. Could throw the Spurs in there-- could throw Boston in there
I still remember the years Boston drafted Garnett and Allen. I knew they'd be a monster someday.
Warriors drafted their best players later in the draft within a short period of time. Player development and culture plays a huge part, but luck is just as big of a factor. The stars aligned for them in a way you can't really predict.
BRIGGS wrote:Good teamWarriors
Draft players. Also have spent millions for extra 2 nd rounders
Do not trade draft picks for players
Use free agency to acquire other players
Just one example. Could throw the Spurs in there-- could throw Boston in there
Is San Antonio giving up 2 lottery picks Znd 2 additional draft picks for anyone? No they never do
Draft opportunistic trade and straight free agency
That's a good point...except for the fact that the Spurs traded away 1st round picks in the following years: '91, '93, '96 (twice), '00, '05 (twice), '06, '09, and '12.
BRIGGS wrote:Good teamWarriors
Draft players. Also have spent millions for extra 2 nd rounders
Do not trade draft picks for players
Use free agency to acquire other players
Just one example. Could throw the Spurs in there-- could throw Boston in there
Is San Antonio giving up 2 lottery picks Znd 2 additional draft picks for anyone? No they never do
Draft opportunistic trade and straight free agency
GSW and the spurs have not won the last 12 NBA TITLES, NEWS flash, 20 others teams did not follow the spurs and GSW model and won titles trading away picks.
BUUUUUT
IF you want to copy the spurs, start with the ownership, then front office, then coach.
IF you want to be like GSW, get a system tailor made for your roster, they have had 3 (kerr, luke, ,mike)coaches and didn't miss a beat
Knickoftime wrote:Knixkik wrote:Warriors drafted their best players later in the draft within a short period of time. Player development and culture plays a huge part, but luck is just as big of a factor. The stars aligned for them in a way you can't really predict.
Or plan for.
Right. It's easy to say great teams do this, this, and this, but that's after looking at it in retrospect. Every great team had some major stroke of luck, whether landing #1 pick (Spurs, Cavs) on a critical year, or not landing it (Sonics 2007) that saves them from disaster. But the general idea is, drafting stars in the draft is what makes a team, so increasing opportunities should be the plan. Just hope you get really lucky along the way.
Knixkik wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Knixkik wrote:Warriors drafted their best players later in the draft within a short period of time. Player development and culture plays a huge part, but luck is just as big of a factor. The stars aligned for them in a way you can't really predict.
Or plan for.
Right. It's easy to say great teams do this, this, and this, but that's after looking at it in retrospect. Every great team had some major stroke of luck, whether landing #1 pick (Spurs, Cavs) on a critical year, or not landing it (Sonics 2007) that saves them from disaster. But the general idea is, drafting stars in the draft is what makes a team, so increasing opportunities should be the plan. Just hope you get really lucky along the way.
Man, imagine if the Warriors hadn't passed on Gordon Hayward, Paul George or Kawhi Leonard?
knicks1248 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Good teamWarriors
Draft players. Also have spent millions for extra 2 nd rounders
Do not trade draft picks for players
Use free agency to acquire other players
Just one example. Could throw the Spurs in there-- could throw Boston in there
Is San Antonio giving up 2 lottery picks Znd 2 additional draft picks for anyone? No they never do
Draft opportunistic trade and straight free agency
GSW and the spurs have not won the last 12 NBA TITLES, NEWS flash, 20 others teams did not follow the spurs and GSW model and won titles trading away picks.
BUUUUUT
IF you want to copy the spurs, start with the ownership, then front office, then coach.
IF you want to be like GSW, get a system tailor made for your roster, they have had 3 (kerr, luke, ,mike)coaches and didn't miss a beat
1 team out of 30 wins the championship. Of course any approach has a low probability. Building with draft picks and smart trades/signings is the least bad approach.
Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Good teamWarriors
Draft players. Also have spent millions for extra 2 nd rounders
Do not trade draft picks for players
Use free agency to acquire other players
Just one example. Could throw the Spurs in there-- could throw Boston in there
Is San Antonio giving up 2 lottery picks Znd 2 additional draft picks for anyone? No they never do
Draft opportunistic trade and straight free agency
GSW and the spurs have not won the last 12 NBA TITLES, NEWS flash, 20 others teams did not follow the spurs and GSW model and won titles trading away picks.
BUUUUUT
IF you want to copy the spurs, start with the ownership, then front office, then coach.
IF you want to be like GSW, get a system tailor made for your roster, they have had 3 (kerr, luke, ,mike)coaches and didn't miss a beat
1 team out of 30 wins the championship. Of course any approach has a low probability. Building with draft picks and smart trades/signings is the least bad approach.
draft picks, trades, signings...is there any other way to acquire players?
Welpee wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Good teamWarriors
Draft players. Also have spent millions for extra 2 nd rounders
Do not trade draft picks for players
Use free agency to acquire other players
Just one example. Could throw the Spurs in there-- could throw Boston in there
Is San Antonio giving up 2 lottery picks Znd 2 additional draft picks for anyone? No they never do
Draft opportunistic trade and straight free agency
GSW and the spurs have not won the last 12 NBA TITLES, NEWS flash, 20 others teams did not follow the spurs and GSW model and won titles trading away picks.
BUUUUUT
IF you want to copy the spurs, start with the ownership, then front office, then coach.
IF you want to be like GSW, get a system tailor made for your roster, they have had 3 (kerr, luke, ,mike)coaches and didn't miss a beat
1 team out of 30 wins the championship. Of course any approach has a low probability. Building with draft picks and smart trades/signings is the least bad approach.
draft picks, trades, signings...is there any other way to acquire players?
You're asking if there's an alternative to keeping draft picks? Yeah, giving up draft picks to starphuck.
This is scary time for Knicks.
You have a man proven to stink running the Knicks and an owner who has no use for anything thats isnt 100% proven with a name and has no boundaries in a trade with younger assets.
You bag those together and Knick fans will be screwed again. You know this is coming. Started with Antonio Mcdyess and has not stopped
BRIGGS wrote:This is scary time for Knicks.You have a man proven to stink running the Knicks and an owner who has no use for anything thats isnt 100% proven with a name and has no boundaries in a trade with younger assets.
You bag those together and Knick fans will be screwed again. You know this is coming. Started with Antonio Mcdyess and has not stopped
So you're just going to continue following them anyway and whining about it constantly?
Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:This is scary time for Knicks.You have a man proven to stink running the Knicks and an owner who has no use for anything thats isnt 100% proven with a name and has no boundaries in a trade with younger assets.
You bag those together and Knick fans will be screwed again. You know this is coming. Started with Antonio Mcdyess and has not stopped
So you're just going to continue following them anyway and whining about it constantly?
Heaven forbid we trade for Kyrie and give up any critical pieces, because I am ready to give up on this franchise.
I'm 48 and no longer have the energy to invest in lost causes.
franco12 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:This is scary time for Knicks.You have a man proven to stink running the Knicks and an owner who has no use for anything thats isnt 100% proven with a name and has no boundaries in a trade with younger assets.
You bag those together and Knick fans will be screwed again. You know this is coming. Started with Antonio Mcdyess and has not stopped
So you're just going to continue following them anyway and whining about it constantly?
Heaven forbid we trade for Kyrie and give up any critical pieces, because I am ready to give up on this franchise.
I'm 48 and no longer have the energy to invest in lost causes.
I'm 25 and I feel this way.
franco12 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:This is scary time for Knicks.You have a man proven to stink running the Knicks and an owner who has no use for anything thats isnt 100% proven with a name and has no boundaries in a trade with younger assets.
You bag those together and Knick fans will be screwed again. You know this is coming. Started with Antonio Mcdyess and has not stopped
So you're just going to continue following them anyway and whining about it constantly?
Heaven forbid we trade for Kyrie and give up any critical pieces, because I am ready to give up on this franchise.
I'm 48 and no longer have the energy to invest in lost causes.
Isn't Kyrie a critical piece? If the price tag is Melo and a future pick it's worth it. Anything more than that would be bad
You know for all the Bytching and Whinning this is the BEST position this franchise has been in over the last 17 years!!! This Melo trade is going to be a key reflection point. Mistakes are made by even the best franchises but the Knicks have a chance to get more things right than wrong.
So far this summer they have made more good moves than bad IMO but there's so much more work to do.
Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:This is scary time for Knicks.You have a man proven to stink running the Knicks and an owner who has no use for anything thats isnt 100% proven with a name and has no boundaries in a trade with younger assets.
You bag those together and Knick fans will be screwed again. You know this is coming. Started with Antonio Mcdyess and has not stopped
So you're just going to continue following them anyway and whining about it constantly?
I've been following them my whole life. My firs game at the Garden was at 4-- that was 44 years ago with my dad. This is my team win lose or draw. I think most fans my age are just hoping the same people who have run the team so horribly will learn from mistakes. There is a fine line with trades-- the Knicks have made many errors trading players including Phil Jackson. Maybe stay away from big trades-- focus on opportunistic smaller ones saving cap space every few years drafting well and yes valuing 2 nd rounders and the d league. If we focus on organic growth-- steer clear of the thought process that we have Danny singe running the team( because he's not) and keep it simple-- well do better. Big mistakes in the nba take 3-5 years of correction-- maybe even longer.
Bonn1997 wrote:Welpee wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Good teamWarriors
Draft players. Also have spent millions for extra 2 nd rounders
Do not trade draft picks for players
Use free agency to acquire other players
Just one example. Could throw the Spurs in there-- could throw Boston in there
Is San Antonio giving up 2 lottery picks Znd 2 additional draft picks for anyone? No they never do
Draft opportunistic trade and straight free agency
GSW and the spurs have not won the last 12 NBA TITLES, NEWS flash, 20 others teams did not follow the spurs and GSW model and won titles trading away picks.
BUUUUUT
IF you want to copy the spurs, start with the ownership, then front office, then coach.
IF you want to be like GSW, get a system tailor made for your roster, they have had 3 (kerr, luke, ,mike)coaches and didn't miss a beat
1 team out of 30 wins the championship. Of course any approach has a low probability. Building with draft picks and smart trades/signings is the least bad approach.
draft picks, trades, signings...is there any other way to acquire players?
You're asking if there's an alternative to keeping draft picks? Yeah, giving up draft picks to starphuck.
So your suggesting that we shouldn't give up picks for a current stars like, Irving, PG13, cj, cp3. kd, klay, love, ect.
There's like a 2% chance of a franchise drafting a super star, 5% chance of drafting a star, those odds are pretty damn low to make a case that that is the route to go.
knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Welpee wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Good teamWarriors
Draft players. Also have spent millions for extra 2 nd rounders
Do not trade draft picks for players
Use free agency to acquire other players
Just one example. Could throw the Spurs in there-- could throw Boston in there
Is San Antonio giving up 2 lottery picks Znd 2 additional draft picks for anyone? No they never do
Draft opportunistic trade and straight free agency
GSW and the spurs have not won the last 12 NBA TITLES, NEWS flash, 20 others teams did not follow the spurs and GSW model and won titles trading away picks.
BUUUUUT
IF you want to copy the spurs, start with the ownership, then front office, then coach.
IF you want to be like GSW, get a system tailor made for your roster, they have had 3 (kerr, luke, ,mike)coaches and didn't miss a beat
1 team out of 30 wins the championship. Of course any approach has a low probability. Building with draft picks and smart trades/signings is the least bad approach.
draft picks, trades, signings...is there any other way to acquire players?
You're asking if there's an alternative to keeping draft picks? Yeah, giving up draft picks to starphuck.
So your suggesting that we shouldn't give up picks for a current stars like, Irving, PG13, cj, cp3. kd, klay, love, ect.
There's like a 2% chance of a franchise drafting a super star, 5% chance of drafting a star, those odds are pretty damn low to make a case that that is the route to go.
I'd have to comment on each one of those stars individually. And I have to know the specifics of the trade. There isn't a generally rule.
What team built a championship core by trading away lottery picks though? You're mentioning 2 to 5% odds but that's higher than 0%. I don't think any teams have ever won a championship by trading away lottery picks. The player would have to be really special for me to do that. Kyrie definitely isn't.
