Knicks · If we don't end up getting Kyrie than the Knicks FO has changed a lot (page 1)
This is proof to me that Perry is having an impact already on the knicks. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Dolan told Mills to get Kyrie no matter what and Perry just told him to stay off and let me do my thing!
No one wants a bad deal, but I still want to see the Knicks in the hunt. Trying to surround KP with blue chip talent. We aren't talking about a 30 year old Irving here, that would be classic Knicks.
KP4Life wrote:the rumor is that Cavs are asking for the farm in this trade, I'm guess they want a few of our young rooks and picks and melo. Imagine if this was the old Knicks FO? Melo would have been traded already and we probably would have lost Willy, Frank, Melo, and god knows how much else.This is proof to me that Perry is having an impact already on the knicks. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Dolan told Mills to get Kyrie no matter what and Perry just told him to stay off and let me do my thing!
Dolan already said he is staying out of basketball decisions. Stop with this negative crap. If they decide to get Kyrie its on Mills and Perry, not Dolan
smackeddog wrote:We won't get him but that's not because the front office has learnt anything- it's because melo won't agree to it.
For once Melo is really helping Knicks.
arkrud wrote:smackeddog wrote:We won't get him but that's not because the front office has learnt anything- it's because melo won't agree to it.For once Melo is really helping Knicks.
How is Melo helping the Knicks? He wants to go to Houston only.... no trade is going to work for the Knicks.
Trading Melo for Kyrie is a no brainer. I don't get the narrative that it's the same old Knicks. If it was the same old Knicks we'd be trying to trade a 25 year old Melo for a 34 year old Kyrie.... but its the opposite..... we're talking about Melo and Courtney Lee for Kyrie, Frye and Shump... is that a bad trade for us? We would have to throw in a 1st round pick.... would that be the same old Knicks? That would be a fantastic trade to make. It would make the Knicks a better ball club by far
EnySpree wrote:arkrud wrote:smackeddog wrote:We won't get him but that's not because the front office has learnt anything- it's because melo won't agree to it.For once Melo is really helping Knicks.
How is Melo helping the Knicks? He wants to go to Houston only.... no trade is going to work for the Knicks.
Trading Melo for Kyrie is a no brainer. I don't get the narrative that it's the same old Knicks. If it was the same old Knicks we'd be trying to trade a 25 year old Melo for a 34 year old Kyrie.... but its the opposite..... we're talking about Melo and Courtney Lee for Kyrie, Frye and Shump... is that a bad trade for us? We would have to throw in a 1st round pick.... would that be the same old Knicks? That would be a fantastic trade to make. It would make the Knicks a better ball club by far
Cavs will not trade him for Melo type player without getting good young prospect and 2 1-st rounders with 1 unprotected.
And it may be fine for some team with a lot of assets but deadly for us.
You will get Marbs or Melo deal all over again and suck another 7 years with Irving.
EnySpree wrote:arkrud wrote:smackeddog wrote:We won't get him but that's not because the front office has learnt anything- it's because melo won't agree to it.For once Melo is really helping Knicks.
How is Melo helping the Knicks? He wants to go to Houston only.... no trade is going to work for the Knicks.
Trading Melo for Kyrie is a no brainer. I don't get the narrative that it's the same old Knicks. If it was the same old Knicks we'd be trying to trade a 25 year old Melo for a 34 year old Kyrie.... but its the opposite..... we're talking about Melo and Courtney Lee for Kyrie, Frye and Shump... is that a bad trade for us? We would have to throw in a 1st round pick.... would that be the same old Knicks? That would be a fantastic trade to make. It would make the Knicks a better ball club by far
But I don't think the Cavs would agree to that....And would want more!
EnySpree wrote:arkrud wrote:smackeddog wrote:We won't get him but that's not because the front office has learnt anything- it's because melo won't agree to it.For once Melo is really helping Knicks.
How is Melo helping the Knicks? He wants to go to Houston only.... no trade is going to work for the Knicks.
Trading Melo for Kyrie is a no brainer. I don't get the narrative that it's the same old Knicks. If it was the same old Knicks we'd be trying to trade a 25 year old Melo for a 34 year old Kyrie.... but its the opposite..... we're talking about Melo and Courtney Lee for Kyrie, Frye and Shump... is that a bad trade for us? We would have to throw in a 1st round pick.... would that be the same old Knicks? That would be a fantastic trade to make. It would make the Knicks a better ball club by far
What report has the Knicks offering just melo and Lee?
blkexec wrote:EnySpree wrote:arkrud wrote:smackeddog wrote:We won't get him but that's not because the front office has learnt anything- it's because melo won't agree to it.For once Melo is really helping Knicks.
How is Melo helping the Knicks? He wants to go to Houston only.... no trade is going to work for the Knicks.
Trading Melo for Kyrie is a no brainer. I don't get the narrative that it's the same old Knicks. If it was the same old Knicks we'd be trying to trade a 25 year old Melo for a 34 year old Kyrie.... but its the opposite..... we're talking about Melo and Courtney Lee for Kyrie, Frye and Shump... is that a bad trade for us? We would have to throw in a 1st round pick.... would that be the same old Knicks? That would be a fantastic trade to make. It would make the Knicks a better ball club by far
But I don't think the Cavs would agree to that....And would want more!
Much more... And they will get it... or will keep him.
Same as us with Melo.
knickscity wrote:EnySpree wrote:arkrud wrote:smackeddog wrote:We won't get him but that's not because the front office has learnt anything- it's because melo won't agree to it.For once Melo is really helping Knicks.
How is Melo helping the Knicks? He wants to go to Houston only.... no trade is going to work for the Knicks.
Trading Melo for Kyrie is a no brainer. I don't get the narrative that it's the same old Knicks. If it was the same old Knicks we'd be trying to trade a 25 year old Melo for a 34 year old Kyrie.... but its the opposite..... we're talking about Melo and Courtney Lee for Kyrie, Frye and Shump... is that a bad trade for us? We would have to throw in a 1st round pick.... would that be the same old Knicks? That would be a fantastic trade to make. It would make the Knicks a better ball club by far
What report has the Knicks offering just melo and Lee?
I dunno..... are there even any reports at all?
arkrud wrote:blkexec wrote:EnySpree wrote:arkrud wrote:smackeddog wrote:We won't get him but that's not because the front office has learnt anything- it's because melo won't agree to it.For once Melo is really helping Knicks.
How is Melo helping the Knicks? He wants to go to Houston only.... no trade is going to work for the Knicks.
Trading Melo for Kyrie is a no brainer. I don't get the narrative that it's the same old Knicks. If it was the same old Knicks we'd be trying to trade a 25 year old Melo for a 34 year old Kyrie.... but its the opposite..... we're talking about Melo and Courtney Lee for Kyrie, Frye and Shump... is that a bad trade for us? We would have to throw in a 1st round pick.... would that be the same old Knicks? That would be a fantastic trade to make. It would make the Knicks a better ball club by far
But I don't think the Cavs would agree to that....And would want more!
Much more... And they will get it... or will keep him.
Same as us with Melo.
Much more like what? Melo makes double what Kyrie makes. What did okc give up for Paul George
arkrud wrote:EnySpree wrote:arkrud wrote:smackeddog wrote:We won't get him but that's not because the front office has learnt anything- it's because melo won't agree to it.For once Melo is really helping Knicks.
How is Melo helping the Knicks? He wants to go to Houston only.... no trade is going to work for the Knicks.
Trading Melo for Kyrie is a no brainer. I don't get the narrative that it's the same old Knicks. If it was the same old Knicks we'd be trying to trade a 25 year old Melo for a 34 year old Kyrie.... but its the opposite..... we're talking about Melo and Courtney Lee for Kyrie, Frye and Shump... is that a bad trade for us? We would have to throw in a 1st round pick.... would that be the same old Knicks? That would be a fantastic trade to make. It would make the Knicks a better ball club by far
Cavs will not trade him for Melo type player without getting good young prospect and 2 1-st rounders with 1 unprotected.
And it may be fine for some team with a lot of assets but deadly for us.
You will get Marbs or Melo deal all over again and suck another 7 years with Irving.
Thats cool...
But the Knicks aren't trading Melo for rysn Anderson or Harkless....
So i guess we can just all go to hell
Paris907 wrote:I don't believe Dolan is ever staying out. He dismissed Phil and Mills is a puppet. This is still Dolan land.
Either do I, if he wants Kyrie to be the new face of the Knicks he will force the GM to give everything we have away
EnySpree wrote:arkrud wrote:EnySpree wrote:arkrud wrote:smackeddog wrote:We won't get him but that's not because the front office has learnt anything- it's because melo won't agree to it.For once Melo is really helping Knicks.
How is Melo helping the Knicks? He wants to go to Houston only.... no trade is going to work for the Knicks.
Trading Melo for Kyrie is a no brainer. I don't get the narrative that it's the same old Knicks. If it was the same old Knicks we'd be trying to trade a 25 year old Melo for a 34 year old Kyrie.... but its the opposite..... we're talking about Melo and Courtney Lee for Kyrie, Frye and Shump... is that a bad trade for us? We would have to throw in a 1st round pick.... would that be the same old Knicks? That would be a fantastic trade to make. It would make the Knicks a better ball club by far
Cavs will not trade him for Melo type player without getting good young prospect and 2 1-st rounders with 1 unprotected.
And it may be fine for some team with a lot of assets but deadly for us.
You will get Marbs or Melo deal all over again and suck another 7 years with Irving.Thats cool...
But the Knicks aren't trading Melo for rysn Anderson or Harkless....
So i guess we can just all go to hell
And Knicks will be right to not trade Melo if they will get back bad contracts like Leonard or/and players like Andersen who does not feet.
Ye, we will be losing another 2-3 years and losing is hell for fans.
But after 20 years of it another 2-3 years of losing but with purpose should be fine.
EnySpree wrote:arkrud wrote:blkexec wrote:EnySpree wrote:arkrud wrote:smackeddog wrote:We won't get him but that's not because the front office has learnt anything- it's because melo won't agree to it.For once Melo is really helping Knicks.
How is Melo helping the Knicks? He wants to go to Houston only.... no trade is going to work for the Knicks.
Trading Melo for Kyrie is a no brainer. I don't get the narrative that it's the same old Knicks. If it was the same old Knicks we'd be trying to trade a 25 year old Melo for a 34 year old Kyrie.... but its the opposite..... we're talking about Melo and Courtney Lee for Kyrie, Frye and Shump... is that a bad trade for us? We would have to throw in a 1st round pick.... would that be the same old Knicks? That would be a fantastic trade to make. It would make the Knicks a better ball club by far
But I don't think the Cavs would agree to that....And would want more!
Much more... And they will get it... or will keep him.
Same as us with Melo.Much more like what? Melo makes double what Kyrie makes
No he doesn't.
Knickoftime wrote:EnySpree wrote:arkrud wrote:blkexec wrote:EnySpree wrote:arkrud wrote:smackeddog wrote:We won't get him but that's not because the front office has learnt anything- it's because melo won't agree to it.For once Melo is really helping Knicks.
How is Melo helping the Knicks? He wants to go to Houston only.... no trade is going to work for the Knicks.
Trading Melo for Kyrie is a no brainer. I don't get the narrative that it's the same old Knicks. If it was the same old Knicks we'd be trying to trade a 25 year old Melo for a 34 year old Kyrie.... but its the opposite..... we're talking about Melo and Courtney Lee for Kyrie, Frye and Shump... is that a bad trade for us? We would have to throw in a 1st round pick.... would that be the same old Knicks? That would be a fantastic trade to make. It would make the Knicks a better ball club by far
But I don't think the Cavs would agree to that....And would want more!
Much more... And they will get it... or will keep him.
Same as us with Melo.Much more like what? Melo makes double what Kyrie makes
No he doesn't.
It is not about how much Irving makes but about what we ave to give up for him.
If the price if right (Melo plus 1 first rounder, Lee or KQ) its fine but it is not happening.
arkrud wrote:EnySpree wrote:arkrud wrote:smackeddog wrote:We won't get him but that's not because the front office has learnt anything- it's because melo won't agree to it.For once Melo is really helping Knicks.
How is Melo helping the Knicks? He wants to go to Houston only.... no trade is going to work for the Knicks.
Trading Melo for Kyrie is a no brainer. I don't get the narrative that it's the same old Knicks. If it was the same old Knicks we'd be trying to trade a 25 year old Melo for a 34 year old Kyrie.... but its the opposite..... we're talking about Melo and Courtney Lee for Kyrie, Frye and Shump... is that a bad trade for us? We would have to throw in a 1st round pick.... would that be the same old Knicks? That would be a fantastic trade to make. It would make the Knicks a better ball club by far
Cavs will not trade him for Melo type player without getting good young prospect and 2 1-st rounders with 1 unprotected.
And it may be fine for some team with a lot of assets but deadly for us.
You will get Marbs or Melo deal all over again and suck another 7 years with Irving.
I get that people don't like the melo trade. But in order to not like the melo trade don't have to pretend if they didn't make it the Knicks were on a path to being a good team.
The had a shitty pg, no real center to speak of, two small forwards (one who was going to be an RFA, one that went on to be oft injured) and no 2012 first round pick, and they were well short of mac cap space.
In 2011-12 they would have been a lottery team without a lottery pick.
Knickoftime wrote:arkrud wrote:EnySpree wrote:arkrud wrote:smackeddog wrote:We won't get him but that's not because the front office has learnt anything- it's because melo won't agree to it.For once Melo is really helping Knicks.
How is Melo helping the Knicks? He wants to go to Houston only.... no trade is going to work for the Knicks.
Trading Melo for Kyrie is a no brainer. I don't get the narrative that it's the same old Knicks. If it was the same old Knicks we'd be trying to trade a 25 year old Melo for a 34 year old Kyrie.... but its the opposite..... we're talking about Melo and Courtney Lee for Kyrie, Frye and Shump... is that a bad trade for us? We would have to throw in a 1st round pick.... would that be the same old Knicks? That would be a fantastic trade to make. It would make the Knicks a better ball club by far
Cavs will not trade him for Melo type player without getting good young prospect and 2 1-st rounders with 1 unprotected.
And it may be fine for some team with a lot of assets but deadly for us.
You will get Marbs or Melo deal all over again and suck another 7 years with Irving.
I get that people don't like the melo trade. But in order to not like the melo trade don't have to pretend if they didn't make it the Knicks were on a path to being a good team.The had a shitty pg, no real center to speak of, two small forwards (one who was going to be an RFA, one that went on to be oft injured) and no 2012 first round pick, and they were well short of mac cap space.
In 2011-12 they would have been a lottery team without a lottery pick.
No, they're two separate issues. Let's try this with other transactions.
"I get that people don't like the Rose trade. But in order to not like the Rose trade don't have to pretend if they didn't make it the Knicks were on a path to being a good team."
"I get that people don't like the Noah signing. But in order to not like the Noah signing don't have to pretend if they didn't make it the Knicks were on a path to being a good team."
Bonn1997 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:arkrud wrote:EnySpree wrote:arkrud wrote:smackeddog wrote:We won't get him but that's not because the front office has learnt anything- it's because melo won't agree to it.For once Melo is really helping Knicks.
How is Melo helping the Knicks? He wants to go to Houston only.... no trade is going to work for the Knicks.
Trading Melo for Kyrie is a no brainer. I don't get the narrative that it's the same old Knicks. If it was the same old Knicks we'd be trying to trade a 25 year old Melo for a 34 year old Kyrie.... but its the opposite..... we're talking about Melo and Courtney Lee for Kyrie, Frye and Shump... is that a bad trade for us? We would have to throw in a 1st round pick.... would that be the same old Knicks? That would be a fantastic trade to make. It would make the Knicks a better ball club by far
Cavs will not trade him for Melo type player without getting good young prospect and 2 1-st rounders with 1 unprotected.
And it may be fine for some team with a lot of assets but deadly for us.
You will get Marbs or Melo deal all over again and suck another 7 years with Irving.
I get that people don't like the melo trade. But in order to not like the melo trade don't have to pretend if they didn't make it the Knicks were on a path to being a good team.The had a shitty pg, no real center to speak of, two small forwards (one who was going to be an RFA, one that went on to be oft injured) and no 2012 first round pick, and they were well short of mac cap space.
In 2011-12 they would have been a lottery team without a lottery pick.
No, they're two separate issues. Let's try this with other transactions."I get that people don't like the Rose trade. But in order to not like the Rose trade don't have to pretend if they didn't make it the Knicks were on a path to being a good team."
"I get that people don't like the Noah signing. But in order to not like the Noah signing don't have to pretend if they didn't make it the Knicks were on a path to being a good team."
I know what I responded to and my response was on purpose.
People conflate the two things.
For all we know, the Knicks series against the pacers may of been the high water mark of the last 6 years in either universe, the one in which the trade happened and the one where it didn't.
The trade hasn't worked out as intended, but it didn't necessarily prevent a better last 6 years.
People struggle with the concept.
Many fans are very binary/either-or.