Bonn1997 wrote:Paris907 wrote:Wily is gonna be the real deal. I'm in minority but I see him border All Star in 3 years. Super rebounder and scoring 18-19ppg. Defensively sound as well. Poor mans Mark Gasol.
He definitely has that potential. I'm with Briggs in the sense that I think right now Willy has a more positive impact on the game. KP is still an important player with a positive impact but Willy's already very good at what he specializes at and doesn't shoot some of the bad shots KP does. If Willy was on another team, I wouldn't trade KP to get him though.
But Willy is a legit all NBA Rookie team, which makes him like a top 5 lottery pick or at least playing at the level of a top 5 player from the draft. There's nothing wrong with having a more favorable view right now him than KP. He's earned it.
KP has some bad habits on offense. He needs to be the Knicks primary post threat. Its insane to have a player that is 7'3" spending the time he does on the perimeter. Its a great skill to have, but without the post game to go with it, he will be stuck in inefficiency. Look at Towns the guy has the inside and outside game, thats a unicorn. KP should be shooting at 50% anything less is Demarcus COusins esque
Bonn1997 wrote:Paris907 wrote:Wily is gonna be the real deal. I'm in minority but I see him border All Star in 3 years. Super rebounder and scoring 18-19ppg. Defensively sound as well. Poor mans Mark Gasol.
He definitely has that potential. I'm with Briggs in the sense that I think right now Willy has a more positive impact on the game. KP is still an important player with a positive impact but Willy's already very good at what he specializes at and doesn't shoot some of the bad shots KP does. If Willy was on another team, I wouldn't trade KP to get him though.
But Willy is a legit all NBA Rookie team, which makes him like a top 5 lottery pick or at least playing at the level of a top 5 player from the draft. There's nothing wrong with having a more favorable view right now him than KP. He's earned it.
Hey maybe KP can stop being a free lancer and start playing smarter ball. Use the pass rebound better have more focus on D take better shots. Its not a bad problem to have with KP and Willy although Im not sure they play great together. Im sure we can mitigate that issue by staggering their playing time.
BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Paris907 wrote:Wily is gonna be the real deal. I'm in minority but I see him border All Star in 3 years. Super rebounder and scoring 18-19ppg. Defensively sound as well. Poor mans Mark Gasol.
He definitely has that potential. I'm with Briggs in the sense that I think right now Willy has a more positive impact on the game. KP is still an important player with a positive impact but Willy's already very good at what he specializes at and doesn't shoot some of the bad shots KP does. If Willy was on another team, I wouldn't trade KP to get him though.
But Willy is a legit all NBA Rookie team, which makes him like a top 5 lottery pick or at least playing at the level of a top 5 player from the draft. There's nothing wrong with having a more favorable view right now him than KP. He's earned it.
Hey maybe KP can stop being a free lancer and start playing smarter ball. Use the pass rebound better have more focus on D take better shots. Its not a bad problem to have with KP and Willy although Im not sure they play great together. Im sure we can mitigate that issue by staggering their playing time.
KP is going to be great but he picked up a lot of bad habits can he correct himself of the bad habits is the question.
I really like Willy, but i see him as more of a future 6th man in the league, someone to led the offense of the second unit. KP is the ideal center for the future of the league, and his potential is crazy. Ultimately, his athletic ability and defensive potential separates him from a guy like Willy. But i do like Willy and see him as a poor man's M Gasol. The league isn't suited for these types of players, but i still think he can be very successful. But i think anyone who likes him more than KP isn't really thinking objectively.
Bonn1997 wrote:There's nothing wrong with having a more favorable view right now him than KP. He's earned it.
Nope, it's just utterly pointless, since they're both Knicks.
The problem is not Kp, problem is what people think 5 is, i think it is ok to play with two 4 at the same time
This is turning into a Porzingis thread, as was the intent of the thread.
The theme here is he's played 2 seasons and isn't an unmitigated superstar yet, and some fans are very, very disappointed.
Knickoftime wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:There's nothing wrong with having a more favorable view right now him than KP. He's earned it.
Nope, it's just utterly pointless, since they're both Knicks.
You don't form a more favorable view of some players than others on the team? All 17 on the roster right now are basically the same?
Knickoftime wrote:This is turning into a Porzingis thread, as was the intent of the thread. The theme here is he's played 2 seasons and isn't an unmitigated superstar yet, and some fans are very, very disappointed.
Or is the theme that some people are just overly sensitive and too concerned with protecting KP? No one has said anything brutal or even seriously negative.
Bonn1997 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:This is turning into a Porzingis thread, as was the intent of the thread. The theme here is he's played 2 seasons and isn't an unmitigated superstar yet, and some fans are very, very disappointed.
Or is the theme that some people are just overly sensitive and too concerned with protecting KP? No one has said anything brutal or even seriously negative.
"Protecting" him from what?
He's a second year player. May never get any better. May not be state of the art for 3-4 more years.
And I don't care which of them turn out better. I hope both of them turn out good.
Bonn1997 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:There's nothing wrong with having a more favorable view right now him than KP. He's earned it.
Nope, it's just utterly pointless, since they're both Knicks.
You don't form a more favorable view of some players than others on the team? All 17 on the roster right now are basically the same?
Not really, no.
Hasn't occurred to be to compare O'Quinn and Porzingis, for example.
Both KP and Willy are very good prospects. They are both veey giod players. Isn't that enough for Knick fans? Smh. But if we are talkimg about it....Don't agree Willy has better "Potential". KP has more tools. That in itself makes him the one with a higher potential.
Rookie Willy showed a nice surge the last 30 games last season.
Sophmore KP first two months were all star level. KP has to stay healthy to fulfil the high exectations.
Willy exceeded everyones expectations last year!!!
With the shackles of the Triangle now lifted and seemingly some form of burden from PHil on KP also gone I cannot even begin to extrapolate last season to this one.
Even more so if Melo is not on the court.
I could not even begin to predict how many games they will win for those reasons alone. New guards start the season, A clear offensive schematic from day one, and competition in the back court for playing time.
Trades will still form the roster over the next 60 days. Melo back? Who knows.
I like Willy a lot. Im rooting for him to succeed.
KP is a two way player, Willy isnt. Until he is, Porzingis has more potential. Willy definitely has an edge on post play. He is a lot more polished than I thought he would be.
GustavBahler wrote:KP is a two way player, Willy isnt. Until he is, Porzingis has more potential. Willy definitely has an edge on post play. He is a lot more polished than I thought he would be.
Willy's WS/48 was .123, much better than average....and as a rookie. And his defense worked out to be better than his offense surprisingly and better than KP's. KP hasn't had a WS48 that high in his two years in the league.
reub wrote:GustavBahler wrote:KP is a two way player, Willy isnt. Until he is, Porzingis has more potential. Willy definitely has an edge on post play. He is a lot more polished than I thought he would be.
Willy's WS/48 was .123, much better than average....and as a rookie. And his defense worked out to be better than his offense surprisingly and better than KP's. KP hasn't had a WS48 that high in his two years in the league.
In this instance I will take eye test over the numbers. Watched some very porous defense for most of the season. Willy got better as the season went on, but still has a long way to go.
GustavBahler wrote:reub wrote:GustavBahler wrote:KP is a two way player, Willy isnt. Until he is, Porzingis has more potential. Willy definitely has an edge on post play. He is a lot more polished than I thought he would be.
Willy's WS/48 was .123, much better than average....and as a rookie. And his defense worked out to be better than his offense surprisingly and better than KP's. KP hasn't had a WS48 that high in his two years in the league.
In this instance I will take eye test over the numbers. Watched some very porous defense for most of the season. Willy got better as the season went on, but still has a long way to go.
So does KP.
reub wrote:GustavBahler wrote:reub wrote:GustavBahler wrote:KP is a two way player, Willy isnt. Until he is, Porzingis has more potential. Willy definitely has an edge on post play. He is a lot more polished than I thought he would be.
Willy's WS/48 was .123, much better than average....and as a rookie. And his defense worked out to be better than his offense surprisingly and better than KP's. KP hasn't had a WS48 that high in his two years in the league.
In this instance I will take eye test over the numbers. Watched some very porous defense for most of the season. Willy got better as the season went on, but still has a long way to go.
So does KP.
Long way? No. Room for improvement? Definitely.
reub wrote:GustavBahler wrote:KP is a two way player, Willy isnt. Until he is, Porzingis has more potential. Willy definitely has an edge on post play. He is a lot more polished than I thought he would be.
Willy's WS/48 was .123, much better than average....and as a rookie. And his defense worked out to be better than his offense surprisingly and better than KP's. KP hasn't had a WS48 that high in his two years in the league.
Always felt that starts and bench players should be weighted differently, prob why the WS/48 are so vastly different when compared to the eye test.
HofstraBBall wrote:Both KP and Willy are very good prospects. They are both very good players. Isn't that enough for Knick fans? Smh. But if we are talkimg about it....Don't agree Willy has better "Potential". KP has more tools. That in itself makes him the one with higher potential.
Knickoftime wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:There's nothing wrong with having a more favorable view right now him than KP. He's earned it.
Nope, it's just utterly pointless, since they're both Knicks.
You don't form a more favorable view of some players than others on the team? All 17 on the roster right now are basically the same?
Not really, no.
Hasn't occurred to be to compare O'Quinn and Porzingis, for example.
Do you care who gets minutes? Who should be offered in trades? Who should be given extensions? Or you wouldn't care whether it was O'Quinn or Porzingis who was included in a trade? You can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm going to assume you'd be more upset if KP than KOQ was offered in a trade to get Irving or a Houston/Melo trade. And that would mean that you clearly have compared the two players.
