Off Topic · If you have to watch the way you cut your hair--this world is fckd (page 9)
BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knickoftime wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:BRIGGS wrote:http://www.dailywire.com/news/20156/blac...This is why a movement loses credibility and momentum at an important time, because it gets hijacked by complete dumbass leaders like this woman.
Since Briggs clearly doesn't comprehend how he is being manipulated, I'll try you.
Is the piece a little absurd? Sure (that would be a first for something written for the Internet, that's almost as crazy as Barack Obama was born in Kenya).
But the original piece is titled "requests", not "demands", which is the mischaracterized version Briggs is familiar with. It wasn't no way in official Black Loves Matter position
He won't recognize what has occurred and how he's being used, I suspect you do.
And that's not even the the real point. Even if this mischaracterization was accurate, Briggs is ironically doing the exact same thing he's accusing her of, assuming she speaks for black people rather than just herself.
Alex Jones, Ann Coulter, Donald J. Trump, Jason Kessler ... just off the top my head these are four race baiters with credibility among tens if not hundreds of millions of white people. A woman was murdered in Charlottesville. Yet somehow an incident in a restaurant parking lot and this one's woman's Facebook post is what draws the fearful, confirmation bias attention of people like Briggs.
'Absurdly', he has outright referred to black Americans in general as complainers, hateful, scary and violent IN THIS THREAD, and a couple pages later complains this woman refers to white people "as if they were a separate species" utterly unaware of his own irony.
But yeah, this woman is the problem, and how this moment is being used to manipulate, misinform and frighten people isn't.
Let's go with that.
I want BLM to gain momentum and stuff like this can only hurt. For exactly the reasons you are pointing out, it gives Trump supporters something to rally around or a way to deflect from the core issues. This stuff is noise and what they need isn't single minded focus. What this woman did was plain stupid because now we are discussing this garbage.
Expecting purity in the internet age among members of a wide scale movement is unrealistic.
Our own president can't escape saying things that receive widespread bipartisan condemnation.
If the outlets that appeal to people of Brigg's leanings and capacity can't find obscure things in the internet to manipulate, they'all just make it up whole cloth like alledging Obama wasn't really an America and his wife is a transvesite.
It's about perspective. This thread was started by the lack of it.
People like Briggs will read your post like people like Briggs will read "both sides."
Knickstime-- I believe racism is actual "hate" towards another group or creed-- actual hate. Do uou believe that a large majority of police officers actual"hate" those from the inner city? Or is it possible and I've said this for years on this forum-- that police officers are scared of inner city violence the reality that AA are 10 x more likely to create violent crime? These cops have wife's kids families-- at the end of the day they want to come home. You don't think it's possible that their "fear" creates heightened response?
Since you asked me what I think, here's what I think:
- I think you just completely changed the subject. Your response has absolutely nothing to do with what you just responded to.
- I think you avoid questions you can't answer, like the questions I asked you last page (not even mentioning two pages ago you declared you would respond to me anymore, which you do otften)
- I think you think your belief that all black people in general are inherently violent justifies every fearful and ignorant thing that you think, which you can call whenever you like. The term is irrelevant.
- I think you justify every and all killings of unarmed black people by police officers as understandable because of the fear that you believe police officers work in, and you expect black people to understand this based on facts you misunderstand. I think because of this you think Black Lives Matter is illegitimate.
- I think you cherrypick anecdotal incidents to support your misinformed worldview (which is exactly what misinformed people do, and websites like The Daily Wire capitalize on.) You seem to find significance in what the police now believe was a homeless person attacking a white guy in a restaurant parking lot, and a relatively ridiculous (and then misrepresented) Facebook post by a black person, seem to ignore the acts and words of people like Dylan Roof, James Fields and Jason Kessler.
- Most of all, I know you're misinformed.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2...
That's still lower than the average of the previous ten years, when total fatalities averaged just under 144 deaths per year. And it's far lower than in decades past. According to NLEOMF data, in the 1970s, an average of 231 officers died each year. In the '80s, the number who died each year never dipped below 175.2016 was a terrible year, and included some high-profile incidents that were terrifying, horrific and inexcusable, and no increase in police fatalities no matter how small is insignificant.
That said:
- In 2017 gunfire deaths of police officers is down 19% from 2016 as of August 28, putting the year on pace to be down to historic lows again. Again, one gunfire death is tragic, but your view that police officers are at greater risk is historically inaccurate, period.
https://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=20...
- Murder and violent crime rates have risen over the last three years, and that is alarming and should not go unnoticed or on addressed.
But...
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/mur...
The national picture: We’re still near historic lowsBig cities tend to exaggerate national murder trends, both up and down — so a large rise in big-city murder usually corresponds with a slightly smaller national increase. If murder rose roughly 8 percent nationally in 2016 (as my January estimate suggests) and is set to rise a few percentage points in 2017, then the nation’s murder rate in 2017 will be roughly the same as it was in 2008. That’s still more than 40 percent lower than the country’s murder rate in the early 1990s (but roughly 27 percent higher than it was in 2014).
Ultimately, this year’s trend is similar to last year’s in that more big cities are seeing a rise in the number of murders than are seeing a decline. There are still six months left in 2017, and while anything could happen, the most likely outcome is that — although this year’s rise will likely be smaller than last year’s — the country will see murders increase for a third straight year.
If you care to delve deeper into the stats, you'll find that increase in big cities is almost directly attributable to certain neighborhoods in each of those cities, due to gang and drug related violence. Violent crime is increasing in specific pockets of this country and declining everywhere else.
For the vast population of this country, including those in the suburbs, where in fact a majority of black Americans live, you've never been safer in your lifetime and likely your parents lifetime - from crime, violent crime and murder.
- In terms of domestic terrorism, which you seem to find insignificant, there's this:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...
Briggs, you seem to demonstrate you don't have a firm grasp on the reality of what you actually live. You're view of the US has seemingly been distorted by the "news" you choose to confirm your biases, which is to a degree understandable. But at the same time you clearly do not recognize your hypocrisy, which is on full display in this thread numerous times.If you honestly expect to have a 'open productive dialogue' with black people while you tell them you think they're all are hateful, scary, violent complainers, then you're also a dumbfuck.
No one is hating here--
I haven't used the word or accused you hating anyone. I've been clear - you're afraid and misinformed.
The reason why I post it is to have civil conversation about it. Im not getting personal with anyone.You don't have conversations. You don't answer questions asked of you, you don't respond to anything on-topic, you just drive-by your latest justification for your ignorance.
Caucasians Asians and Europeans are NOT safe in inner city neighborhoods for the most part. You can disagree you can call it racist--but Im talking the truth.Nobody in violent urban neighborhoods, this is the fact you don't seem to grasp. You're turning a gang and drug trade problem, which no one denies is a problem, into a race-on-race issue and it isn't.
Now imagine youre a police officer who has to do it every day. They are heightened nervous and their training to the alpha side makes it combustible.Again you ignore a fact, historically speaking, police officers are killed much less often than they used to be.
And Ill throw this one out at you. If a black man has his car brake down in Lyme CT--what are the chances that they are treated friendly and safely during the incident versus a white man who breaks down in a housing project in New Haven? What is racist versus reality?“Poverty is the parent of crime.”
Any idea who wrote that?
Yes, anyone is less safe in a densely populated area where there is poverty. It's about time you understand nobody is disputing that.
rise will likely be smaller than last year’s — the country will see murders increase for a third straight year.
Id bet a lot of money that you have almost no personal insight into hospitals and inner city police.
You'd lose a lot of money. Intelligent people don't make assumptions like that.
Im for higher wages I am for smaller government I am for the government spending to help inner cities and anywhere else that poverty stands. But there has to be a two way street--I think more effort on the part of inner city populations is needed. Mothers and Fathers need to parent betterMy wife has worked at Yale New Haven for 25 years I have good friends who are police in New Haven. People need to rise up and take responsibility rather than complain about problems. Two way street. The government can help but dont rely on it. Dont join a gang dont do drugs study work hard at whatever you do. Help your neighbor be positive. Etc....
And I'll ask again, what about white people complaining about taxes, and losing manufacturing jobs, and losing their jobs it to undocumented workers, and the cost of college. What about the people who are quick to blame all the problems in the US on "liberals"?
Are you honestly suggesting the bulk of white America are deeply satisfied right now?
The Daily Wire, what you cited, is a complain and blame enterprise. Does your ethos apply to all of them as well?
What you don't seem to understand is nobody denies there's a cultural problem. Nobody is saying that should be the way of things. What you don't seem to have any empathy for is why they are, and what you clearly don't understand is cultures don't move like that. Cultures are inherited, cultures are very sticky. Cultures pass down their values and their worldviews and their expectations down to their children.
There are historical, cultural, socioeconomic forces at work here. Anyone who genuinely believes that the answer to changing cultures Is individual decision-making is ignorant of history and pretty much incapable of rational thought. It is an imbecilic suggestion.
And because I already know you're make this error, that isn't excusing, it's observing.
Your philosophy suggests the key to ending war, and terrorism and crime and poverty and self-destructive behavior is simply for people to just decide to be better people.
So why isn't that working anywhere, ever?
Can we expect white collar crimes, child abuse, domestic violence, etc. to be eradicated among white Americans during our lifetimes?
And if not, why not?
Consider these examples:When An 'Army of Moms' Took Over An Englewood Block For Months
Tamar Manasseh formed Mothers Against Senseless Killings to patrol the neighborhood after a murder in the 7500 block of South Stewart in June. In the five weeks after a man opened fire on three women on June 23, there were no shootings on the block or on the 7500 block of South Harvard where the patrols were set up, according to a DNAinfo Chicago map of shootings in the city."When you have sisters like sister Manasseh and others out here just participating, it makes a big difference,” said Johnny Banks, the executive director of the community organization A Knock at Midnight.
When Englewood Women Spent Their Mothers Day Speaking Out Against Violence
“Mothers are a critical, yet undervalued force of change,” said Dede Koldyke, president of EarthHeart Foundation. “We can’t rely on anyone else. So we connect, talk and tap into viable solutions to the challenges of our neighborhoods.”
When A Neighborhood Watch Turned Into Weekly Protests In Woodlawn
When Lunden Gregory was in Uptown six years ago, the sound of gunshots kept her up at night, forcing her to move to Woodlawn and South Shore before finally finding "peace" in Michigan, she said. But Gregory moved back to the city when she wanted "to no longer run from home" and "be part of the solution [instead] of running from the problem, when times get hard."
Gregory began standing on the corner with 11 other people, and soon that number tripled. Now she hosts protests on a weekly basis.
When Rogers Park Residents 'Reclaimed' Park Where Shootings Occurred
Residents united after a shooting at Leone Beach Park left two men wounded. Organizers of the event included a mother and her two young children — one of which she was forced to "lie" to after he witnessed the shooting.The mother, Grace Husar, along with 30 other residents, gathered in the park do create art, utilize the playground, cook s'mores and symbolize they would not give up their park to violence.
When South Siders Started Using Symbolic Caskets In Protests
A South Side pastor and his supporters now use a startling but powerful symbol in their anti-violence marches through Englewood: They carry a casket.
“We don’t want any more death, we don’t want any more murders, we don’t want any more killings,” said the Rev. Dwayne Grant of Xperience Church Chicago, 6325 S. Morgan St.
When Uptown Residents 'Reclaimed' Weiss Park From Gangs
When Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity Inc. Organized During A Snow Storm
Members of the historically black fraternity joined other community leaders for a march against violence and to call for the revitalization of 79th Street, improved education in the city and to formulate an economic empowerment plan of action — in REALLY bad weather.
“Like I said before, we cannot sit back and stand on the sidelines and watch our young men destruct themselves," said the Rev. Roosevelt Watkins, also a march organizer and fraternity member. "It is important that we do our part to help our communities."
"A couple of years ago, this was a real gang-infested area. We've made a lot of strides in this area. This is a celebration [to say] we're giving it back to the the community," said Sgt. Will Lapitan of the Community Policing Unit.
The plaza, at Sheridan Road and Lawrence Avenue, has a history of gang activity and this was the perfect opportunity to "reclaim" it, Lapitan said.
Raul Montes Jr., 40, organizes a protest against violence every two weeks, everywhere from Little Village to Vittum Park. He said it takes "many, many hours" to organize the events, which include networking with local organizations and persuading people to come out."I like to make a difference. That's why I do it. I have a passion for it," said Montes, who works as a substitute teacher.
Montes said the people who are likely to complain about the lack of outrage are usually the ones that "won't [organize] themselves." But he agrees with the critics who believe there should be more protests so long as they're peaceful, saying they are the "right way" to fight against violence.
Martinez Sutton, who grew up at 62nd Street and Cottage Grove Avenue, said there are so many protests and neighborhood meetings that it's hard to keep up.
"It's always happening. They fight [gun violence], not only in the streets, but they're trying to get legislation passed. A lot of people think just because you don't see them in the street, they're not doing anything. But that's just not the truth at all," he said.
Sutton's younger sister, Rekia Boyd, was fatally shot by a Chicago Police officer in 2012. Following citywide headlines about the Laquan case, the Independent Police Review Authority has recommended that the officer be fired.
Despite the fact that he was personally impacted by a police shooting, Sutton sees shootings between neighborhood residents as an equally pressing issue.
"A lot of people think that it's just about police violence, when it isn't," he said. "People get shot every day in different neighborhoods. But if we can't call the police and let them know, 'Hey we're dying,' then who can we call?"
"The relationship between the police and the community can be stronger. That will, in turn, help the community be stronger, and not be scared to speak up on these issues."
NEW HAVEN >> As 2017 begins, statistics on last year’s shootings continue to show that crime has been decreasing in New Haven since 2011 and Assistant Chief of Police Archie Generoso said it’s a result of community policing efforts.“The difference is how we police here now, we’re doubling our community policing efforts, we’re working with all our partners to keep crime down and it’s working,” Generoso said.
The numbers of homicides, non-fatal shootings, and shots fired have been consistently lower since 2011. Generoso said the real indicator of violence is not homicides, it’s total shootings and shots fired. Records show,that between 2003 and 2012, the city we averaged 126 total shootings a year. The average from 2013 to 2016 was 63.
Programs such Project Longevity, daily intelligence meetings, CompStat, and other community policing efforts are all part of the formula that helped New Haven go from having 34 homicides in 2011, to 13 in 2016.
Brigg's New Haven police friends haven't been keeping him up on the latest it seems.
Knickoftime wrote:http://wtnh.com/2016/05/11/new-haven-cri...
NEW HAVEN >> As 2017 begins, statistics on last year’s shootings continue to show that crime has been decreasing in New Haven since 2011 and Assistant Chief of Police Archie Generoso said it’s a result of community policing efforts.“The difference is how we police here now, we’re doubling our community policing efforts, we’re working with all our partners to keep crime down and it’s working,” Generoso said.
The numbers of homicides, non-fatal shootings, and shots fired have been consistently lower since 2011. Generoso said the real indicator of violence is not homicides, it’s total shootings and shots fired. Records show,that between 2003 and 2012, the city we averaged 126 total shootings a year. The average from 2013 to 2016 was 63.
Programs such Project Longevity, daily intelligence meetings, CompStat, and other community policing efforts are all part of the formula that helped New Haven go from having 34 homicides in 2011, to 13 in 2016.
Brigg's New Haven police friends haven't been keeping him up on the latest it seems.
Lol so you think working in a city where 100 shooting deaths is better than 400? Knicks time this is a thought process developed over a lifetime of work. And the rookie cop to the 30 year vet are all self aware. And to answer your question on the other thread-- again you take my words out of context. I was talking about inner city people not Hispanics or Aa or any other group as a whole. White people are scared of inner city minorities and cops are 10x more heightened in their job. And you just provided an article showing why! Because they live a violent lifestyle in the inner city. My guess is that in your gates community in Long Island-- you can't really understand the sentiment. You have a self righteous belief that police must be bad-- that whites like me are a problem and that all your points are correct. You identify with inner city AA as much as a frog in Westport-- you don't . You are sitting on this forum thinking you are holier than tho and really you have jack no clue
BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:http://wtnh.com/2016/05/11/new-haven-cri...
NEW HAVEN >> As 2017 begins, statistics on last year’s shootings continue to show that crime has been decreasing in New Haven since 2011 and Assistant Chief of Police Archie Generoso said it’s a result of community policing efforts.“The difference is how we police here now, we’re doubling our community policing efforts, we’re working with all our partners to keep crime down and it’s working,” Generoso said.
The numbers of homicides, non-fatal shootings, and shots fired have been consistently lower since 2011. Generoso said the real indicator of violence is not homicides, it’s total shootings and shots fired. Records show,that between 2003 and 2012, the city we averaged 126 total shootings a year. The average from 2013 to 2016 was 63.
Programs such Project Longevity, daily intelligence meetings, CompStat, and other community policing efforts are all part of the formula that helped New Haven go from having 34 homicides in 2011, to 13 in 2016.
Brigg's New Haven police friends haven't been keeping him up on the latest it seems.Lol so you think working in a city where 100 shooting deaths is better than 400? Knicks time this is a thought process developed over a lifetime of work. And the rookie cop to the 30 year vet are all self aware. And to answer your question on the other thread-- again you take my words out of context. I was talking about inner city people not Hispanics or Aa or any other group as a whole. White people are scared of inner city minorities and cops are 10x more heightened in their job. And you just provided an article showing why! Because they live a violent lifestyle in the inner city. My guess is that in your gates community in Long Island-- you can't really understand the sentiment. You have a self righteous belief that police must be bad-- that whites like me are a problem and that all your points are correct. You identify with inner city AA as much as a frog in Westport-- you don't . You are sitting on this forum thinking you are holier than tho and really you have jack no clue
I'm again struck by the ease with which you say things that are pretty damned wrongheaded!
"White people are scared of inner city minorities and cops are 10x more heightened in their job. And you just provided an article showing why! Because they live a violent lifestyle in the inner city."
It's widely known that it's usually a very few people in a community that are responsible for most of the violent crime. Blanket statements about "Innercity Minorities" just isn't right. There's a certain learned fear of packs of young men in urban areas that is understandable for individual citizens but Police are prepared to deal with such situations and as such they're held to a higher standard than civilians.
Still with all the negative stereotyping you've been spewing it remains true that violent crime is on the decline! It's just a FACT.
BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:http://wtnh.com/2016/05/11/new-haven-cri...
NEW HAVEN >> As 2017 begins, statistics on last year’s shootings continue to show that crime has been decreasing in New Haven since 2011 and Assistant Chief of Police Archie Generoso said it’s a result of community policing efforts.“The difference is how we police here now, we’re doubling our community policing efforts, we’re working with all our partners to keep crime down and it’s working,” Generoso said.
The numbers of homicides, non-fatal shootings, and shots fired have been consistently lower since 2011. Generoso said the real indicator of violence is not homicides, it’s total shootings and shots fired. Records show,that between 2003 and 2012, the city we averaged 126 total shootings a year. The average from 2013 to 2016 was 63.
Programs such Project Longevity, daily intelligence meetings, CompStat, and other community policing efforts are all part of the formula that helped New Haven go from having 34 homicides in 2011, to 13 in 2016.
Brigg's New Haven police friends haven't been keeping him up on the latest it seems.Lol so you think working in a city where 100 shooting deaths is better than 400?
Of course 100 shooting deaths is better than 400. Any idiot knows that.
But can you read?
It is 34 homicides in 2011 (which by the way is much lower than 2000 and much lower than 1990) vs 13 in 2016, Not 400 vs 100.
Even excusing your lack of reading comprehension, if you actually believed there were 426 homicides in New Haven six years ago, and didn't immediately recognize that that statistic couldn't possibly be accurate, this clearly shows you have absolutely no perspective on or understanding of New Haven.
How can anyone familiar confuse 426 homicides in a year with 34?
Violent crime is dropping nationwide precipitously (look it up) everywhere - including New Haven - everywhere but a handful of neighborhoods in St. Louis, Baltimore, Chicago and DC.
Your world view that violent crime is escalating is in fact the opposite of what's true. Police officers have never been safer, according to statistics provided by police officers.
You have a self righteous belief that police must be bad-- that whites like me are a problem and that all your points are correct.
You got one of those three things right.
I don't believe the police are bad. I think the majority of police officers are good, well-meaning people, but there are cultures within police departments that can lead to the problems that we've had.
In the same respects I think the vast majority of people, no matter what their race or ethnicity, are good well-meaning people. But within those groups are specific cultures that are too violent.
I think that most white people (like myself) are good, well-meaning people. But within that group are specific cultures that are afraid, and they let their fear breed ignorance, and yes, you have proven yourself among them.
You are sitting on this forum thinking you are holier than tho and really you have jack no clue
I can read a graph. I can understand there couldn't possibly be 400 homicides in a city the size of New Haven in one year.
Why can't you?