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knicks1248 wrote:awe1028 wrote:Welpee wrote:I'm shocked that so many on this board want to tank in spite of the fact that over decades there are only isolated incidents in which it actually worked. Obviously if the season falls off the rails that's a different situation, but doing what Philly does and go into the season committed to the "process" (i.e. tanking)?I would rather us try to be competitive playing our younger players versus purposely trying to be bad for the chance of getting a high pick.
The last time the Knicks won a championship was 1973 that was 44 years ago. For most of those years they have eschewed building through the draft trading away pick after pick and not surprisingly they have been among the worse franchises in the NBA.
The only sustained period of success came during the Patrick Ewing era and of course Ewing was obtained through the draft.
Now for the first time in years we as Knicks fan have a team to be excited about and whats causing the optimism? why of course it is the young players - KP, Willie, Frank, and Dotson. How were they acquired? surprise, surprise through the draft. By the way if you stretch it THJR could be included in the group since he was originally drafted by NY
The Knicks have one major need on this team now a bonafide superstar small forward. There are potentially two of them in the 2018 draft: Michael Porter and Luca Doncic. In all likelihood they will be among the first 5 players chosen. So when you say you are shocked so many want to tank. This is why. You tank so you have the opportunity to draft players like Porter and Doncic.
YOU have similar odd at hitting the POWER BALL, and of 10 million ppl played for the 700+ million jackpot, and 1 person hit..im not saying the odds are that bad, but you get my drift.
Patrick ewing era sustain elite status because proper fA were sign and proper trades were made...If you look at the roster to both of ewings knicks team (1994/1999) that went to the finals, it was mostly made up of 85% FA and trades.
you can fck up on a draft just as easily as a FA signing or trade. It's all about doing your diligent research
LOL its not the same odds as winning the powerball. This year we had a 18.9% chance of a top 3 pick however if we were top 5 bad its 29.1%. Odds at winning powerball 1 in 292,201,338.00
awe1028 wrote:Again, in the 30+ years of the lottery give me all of these examples of when purposely tanking worked, as in we are starting the season planning to be as bad as possible.Welpee wrote:I'm shocked that so many on this board want to tank in spite of the fact that over decades there are only isolated incidents in which it actually worked. Obviously if the season falls off the rails that's a different situation, but doing what Philly does and go into the season committed to the "process" (i.e. tanking)?I would rather us try to be competitive playing our younger players versus purposely trying to be bad for the chance of getting a high pick.
The last time the Knicks won a championship was 1973 that was 44 years ago. For most of those years they have eschewed building through the draft trading away pick after pick and not surprisingly they have been among the worse franchises in the NBA.
The only sustained period of success came during the Patrick Ewing era and of course Ewing was obtained through the draft.
Now for the first time in years we as Knicks fan have a team to be excited about and whats causing the optimism? why of course it is the young players - KP, Willie, Frank, and Dotson. How were they acquired? surprise, surprise through the draft. By the way if you stretch it THJR could be included in the group since he was originally drafted by NY
The Knicks have one major need on this team now a bonafide superstar small forward. There are potentially two of them in the 2018 draft: Michael Porter and Luca Doncic. In all likelihood they will be among the first 5 players chosen. So when you say you are shocked so many want to tank. This is why. You tank so you have the opportunity to draft players like Porter and Doncic.
I'm shocked so many people sink so much money into playing Power Ball. For every one person who wins how many tossed their money away to funnel it to the one winner? You really think using a power ball scenario is how you build a winner?
Welpee wrote:awe1028 wrote:Again, in the 30+ years of the lottery give me all of these examples of when purposely tanking worked, as in we are starting the season planning to be as bad as possible.Welpee wrote:I'm shocked that so many on this board want to tank in spite of the fact that over decades there are only isolated incidents in which it actually worked. Obviously if the season falls off the rails that's a different situation, but doing what Philly does and go into the season committed to the "process" (i.e. tanking)?I would rather us try to be competitive playing our younger players versus purposely trying to be bad for the chance of getting a high pick.
The last time the Knicks won a championship was 1973 that was 44 years ago. For most of those years they have eschewed building through the draft trading away pick after pick and not surprisingly they have been among the worse franchises in the NBA.
The only sustained period of success came during the Patrick Ewing era and of course Ewing was obtained through the draft.
Now for the first time in years we as Knicks fan have a team to be excited about and whats causing the optimism? why of course it is the young players - KP, Willie, Frank, and Dotson. How were they acquired? surprise, surprise through the draft. By the way if you stretch it THJR could be included in the group since he was originally drafted by NY
The Knicks have one major need on this team now a bonafide superstar small forward. There are potentially two of them in the 2018 draft: Michael Porter and Luca Doncic. In all likelihood they will be among the first 5 players chosen. So when you say you are shocked so many want to tank. This is why. You tank so you have the opportunity to draft players like Porter and Doncic.
I'm shocked so many people sink so much money into playing Power Ball. For every one person who wins how many tossed their money away to funnel it to the one winner? You really think using a power ball scenario is how you build a winner?
While I agree somewhat. Say Melo has a good year next year and we win close to 40 games make 8th seed, lose first round and then he opt out. &/Or we get contributions from Lee next year but then goes on a sharpe decline as he gets deeper in his 30s.
If we are to win. We need it to be because KP became a 200. WS48 type player. Frank is able to contribute at a higher level earlier then expected. Hardaway brought his game to another level. And Willy is becoming one of the better big men in the NBA. If those are the reasons why we are a playoff team. Then that's cool.
If not, then if we can add one more lotto pick which is hopefully an impact player to the young core. Then going forward after the draft to come. Knicks can go all in on trying to win. Can target veterans. trade future draft picks for studs. All to place around a core of 5 young talented players.
And they def need to change the power ball system. One winner winning 300plus mil out of a 710 jackpot SMH. They need to set it up to have more winners at around 10-20mi. Even 5mil would work.
newyorknewyork wrote:Also the Spurs tanked for Duncan and the Cavs tanked for Lebron.And they def need to change the power ball system. One winner winning 300plus mil out of a 710 jackpot SMH. They need to set it up to have more winners at around 10-20mi. Even 5mil would work.
Spurs didn't tank...D. Robinson got hurt....
Celts tanked hard ...hired Pitino and rolled out the red carpet for the #1 pick...TD...and got shafted in the lottery.
ekstarks94 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Also the Spurs tanked for Duncan and the Cavs tanked for Lebron.And they def need to change the power ball system. One winner winning 300plus mil out of a 710 jackpot SMH. They need to set it up to have more winners at around 10-20mi. Even 5mil would work.
Spurs didn't tank...D. Robinson got hurt....
Celts tanked hard ...hired Pitino and rolled out the red carpet for the #1 pick...TD...and got shafted in the lottery.
Spurs had the 3rd worst record in the NBA at 20 wins. Celtics had the 2nd worst with 15. Grizz had the worst with 14.
Welpee wrote:awe1028 wrote:Again, in the 30+ years of the lottery give me all of these examples of when purposely tanking worked, as in we are starting the season planning to be as bad as possible.Welpee wrote:I'm shocked that so many on this board want to tank in spite of the fact that over decades there are only isolated incidents in which it actually worked. Obviously if the season falls off the rails that's a different situation, but doing what Philly does and go into the season committed to the "process" (i.e. tanking)?I would rather us try to be competitive playing our younger players versus purposely trying to be bad for the chance of getting a high pick.
The last time the Knicks won a championship was 1973 that was 44 years ago. For most of those years they have eschewed building through the draft trading away pick after pick and not surprisingly they have been among the worse franchises in the NBA.
The only sustained period of success came during the Patrick Ewing era and of course Ewing was obtained through the draft.
Now for the first time in years we as Knicks fan have a team to be excited about and whats causing the optimism? why of course it is the young players - KP, Willie, Frank, and Dotson. How were they acquired? surprise, surprise through the draft. By the way if you stretch it THJR could be included in the group since he was originally drafted by NY
The Knicks have one major need on this team now a bonafide superstar small forward. There are potentially two of them in the 2018 draft: Michael Porter and Luca Doncic. In all likelihood they will be among the first 5 players chosen. So when you say you are shocked so many want to tank. This is why. You tank so you have the opportunity to draft players like Porter and Doncic.
I'm shocked so many people sink so much money into playing Power Ball. For every one person who wins how many tossed their money away to funnel it to the one winner? You really think using a power ball scenario is how you build a winner?
What the 30+ years of the lottery have shown us is teams that use it to their advantage are the ones that garner dominant sustained long term success.
There are two ways to acquire talent: through the draft lottery or by bringing in bloated contracts.
Given that the most successful franchises have embraced the draft in constructing their teams, it seems logical to emphasize the draft as part of a team building strategy
Therefore it does not matter how you get the best possible picks -whether it is through tanking or losing or however you refer to it-
or injury (the SA Tim Duncan situation) the goal is to get the highest pick possible.
And by the way, who is talking about purposeful tanking. No one is advocating the Knicks enter the year planning to lose. You do realize it is possible to lose without purposely trying to lose. I believe it was Nalod who termed it "Organic Tanking" an apt description indeed.
Finally why do you continue this nonsense of equating powerball to the NBA lottery. Clearly the odds of being successful in the NBA lottery is infinitely better than powerball