Man, what a terrible era and it sucked from the beginning to end . First we traded the farm for him because he couldn’t wait till the off season and wanted more money. Then he couldn’t play with Amar’e , then it was the coaches system didn’t fit, then he didn’t like linsanity, then MDA couldn’t deal with the melo drama, then one good year, then the worst years in knicks history,Phil, ntc when we should have let him walk, then it was the triangle, Porzingis, and then some of the worst melo drama till the end.
I like melo I think he’s not a bad guy he dose a lot off the court, but as a player F U C K melo.
The only era that sucked more then the melo era was the Isiah era, at least outta all of this we got Porzingis, and one good year .
Good bye melo smell ya later you stunk the life out of this team.
well yeah we did do that, but only wilson chandler made something of it for the price. gallo was injury prone. we certainly got more longevity i think out of melo.
Had some high points early, but ended on a bad note.
His best moments were sabotaged by a series of injury mishaps.
Amare was part of the 1 and 1a punch, but this never came together - he suffered from combination of the back spasms in the playoffs, then a bulging disc the following year, and general breakdown of his surgically repaired knees. Plus there was the self-inflicted wound of the big cut on his hand that needed stitches after punching the glass casing around the fire extinguisher. These effectively broke up the big 2. We never really found out if healthy Amare and Melo would have meshed.
Then there was the Linsanity thing. Lin didn't break down, so much as he was mugged by Jason Kidd(he didn't tap out until a few games later). Then he had the chest injury and missed the playoffs.
And there was the Kevin Garnett thing - where he dislocated Melo's shoulder and he wasn't quite the same after that in the playoffs.
The Phil Jackson era was a complete sh*tshow - the roster was blown up, we traded our best wings and center for no immediate help, no pass-first guards.
I'd say this past season was the most disappointing one for me. On paper, Phil put together a roster that compared favorably with Hornacek's 49-win roster with the Suns. While not quite a super team as Rose stated in the preseason, I thought they had potential to make some noise and it didn't come together. Noah's injuries were problematic, but I still thought they had enough talent to be a .500 win team.
As the best player on the team, Melo gets the brunt of the blame for the failure - though it's impossible to ignore the issues all around - the support structure, team, coaching, management, it's been an unfortunate mess.
the era did suck. Melo deserves a good chunk of the blame. the various management regimes also deserves a good chunk of blame too. Who was the best player Melo played with? Amar'e had given too much the year before and was never really the same... you could say Chandler, who we gave up on... a couple others come to mind, but I'll say a 40 y/o Jason Kidd was the best teammate Melo got to play with. The other players around him were for the most part awful
The trade didn't benefit either team. But it was still a reasonable gamble for this team. Melo was a star just entering his prime and we didn't trade any players that become stars in their own right. It limited our flexibility no doubt, but we missed on so many other moves throughout his tenure, that what we traded for him became irrelevant. It was a disappointing era, with 1 highlight season, but we gave it a try, got Melo's best years out of him, and now it's time to move on.
Cartman718 wrote:well yeah we did do that, but only wilson chandler made something of it for the price. gallo was injury prone. we certainly got more longevity i think out of melo.
The longevity of what though, suckyness. Think of all the missed draft opportunities? Between the revolving door of players, coaches, front office . We never had a identity with melo, it was just melo drama and one good year, it wasn’t even a great year we lost to Roy Hibbert, yea that bust !
Again I like melo the person but his era was one of the worst in team history. The only good thing to come out of it was that we sucked good enough to get kp .
And his drama spilled over into kp this past summer and we almost lost him.
If Porzingis brings us to the promise land I will get on my knees and thank Anthony for one of the worst eras in knick history . Because he delivered us our savior !
so glad he's gone.
won't be missed.
his legacy is failure.
as far as great knicks go, he's not top 10.
SupremeCommander wrote:the era did suck. Melo deserves a good chunk of the blame. the various management regimes also deserves a good chunk of blame too. Who was the best player Melo played with? Amar'e had given too much the year before and was never really the same... you could say Chandler, who we gave up on... a couple others come to mind, but I'll say a 40 y/o Jason Kidd was the best teammate Melo got to play with. The other players around him were for the most part awful
Can kinda agree but look at who Ewing brought to the chip and the playoffs every year he was a knick.
Ewing has some of the worst supporting cast and he’s a forever warrior/winner even with out the chip.melo will leave with the opposite legacy as a failure
I’m very excited for the kP era! When you look at any knicks success it always started with its own draft picks
Another brilliant fan thread who pines for the 15 minutes of Linsanity as a valid arguing point for anything.
fitzfarm wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:the era did suck. Melo deserves a good chunk of the blame. the various management regimes also deserves a good chunk of blame too. Who was the best player Melo played with? Amar'e had given too much the year before and was never really the same... you could say Chandler, who we gave up on... a couple others come to mind, but I'll say a 40 y/o Jason Kidd was the best teammate Melo got to play with. The other players around him were for the most part awful
Can kinda agree but look at who Ewing brought to the chip and the playoffs every year he was a knick.
Ewing has some of the worst supporting cast and he’s a forever warrior/winner even with out the chip.melo will leave with the opposite legacy as a failure
The Ewing era had much better players, much better management for 2/3 of his tenure and much better coaching. However, you could never question Ewing's heart or effort. Melo made things a lot of things that are really hard to do look easy. Both guys were great Knicks. Melo isn't in Pat's class though. Would love to have seen Melo play with better teammates, with marquee coaching in place and a good, stable management team.
Everything sucked. Players, coaches, mgmt., and last but not least, ownership. Why stop with Melo? Tunnel vision.
fitzfarm wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:the era did suck. Melo deserves a good chunk of the blame. the various management regimes also deserves a good chunk of blame too. Who was the best player Melo played with? Amar'e had given too much the year before and was never really the same... you could say Chandler, who we gave up on... a couple others come to mind, but I'll say a 40 y/o Jason Kidd was the best teammate Melo got to play with. The other players around him were for the most part awful
Can kinda agree but look at who Ewing brought to the chip and the playoffs every year he was a knick.
Ewing has some of the worst supporting cast and he’s a forever warrior/winner even with out the chip.melo will leave with the opposite legacy as a failure
Ewing definitely was a more impactful player and, I agree, the reason he didn't win is because there wasn't more around him. That said, he did benefit from Bill Cartwright, Bernard King, Mark Jackson, Charles Oakley, Rod Strickland, John Starks, Anthony Mason, Xavier McDaniel, Allan Houston, Larry Johnson, (a young) Marcus Camby, Latrell Spreewell, (a young) Kurt Thomas
The Ewing era is sad because they really could have won a championship... and probably would have come close had Isiah Thomas elected to get traded to the Knicks...
In the case of Melo, there was a bunch of garbage around him. Ewing played with Doc Rivers and and Rolando Blackman and they didn't make my list above... yet Jason Kidd was essentially in the same role for a Melo Knicks team, and Kidd is probably the best player Melo ever played with here
SupremeCommander wrote:fitzfarm wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:the era did suck. Melo deserves a good chunk of the blame. the various management regimes also deserves a good chunk of blame too. Who was the best player Melo played with? Amar'e had given too much the year before and was never really the same... you could say Chandler, who we gave up on... a couple others come to mind, but I'll say a 40 y/o Jason Kidd was the best teammate Melo got to play with. The other players around him were for the most part awful
Can kinda agree but look at who Ewing brought to the chip and the playoffs every year he was a knick.
Ewing has some of the worst supporting cast and he’s a forever warrior/winner even with out the chip.melo will leave with the opposite legacy as a failure
Ewing definitely was a more impactful player and, I agree, the reason he didn't win is because there wasn't more around him. That said, he did benefit from Bill Cartwright, Bernard King, Mark Jackson, Charles Oakley, Rod Strickland, John Starks, Anthony Mason, Xavier McDaniel, Allan Houston, Larry Johnson, (a young) Marcus Camby, Latrell Spreewell, (a young) Kurt Thomas
The Ewing era is sad because they really could have won a championship... and probably would have come close had Isiah Thomas elected to get traded to the Knicks...
In the case of Melo, there was a bunch of garbage around him. Ewing played with Doc Rivers and and Rolando Blackman and they didn't make my list above... yet Jason Kidd was essentially in the same role for a Melo Knicks team, and Kidd is probably the best player Melo ever played with here
If the bold is really true on any level, than that should end all arguments.
the Marbury era sucked
the nate & lee era sucked
the amare era sucked
and the melo era sucked
in others words we have sucked for 16 yrs with the exception of 1 yr (during the melo era) and from the looks of it, the kp era is not off to a good start..lol..
But the Linsanity era outshines them all!
Well, maybe at least 80% of 94% of it...
knicks1248 wrote:the Marbury era sucked
the nate & lee era sucked
the amare era sucked
and the melo era suckedin others words we have sucked for 16 yrs with the exception of 1 yr (during the melo era) and from the looks of it, the kp era is not off to a good start..lol..
Amare era brought us out of the swamp that Isaiah created if i remember we were doing pretty ok before melo the chemistry killer came along
The Nate lee era was not a era that was the end of the Isaiah era the beginning was marbury for Isaiah and yes Isaiah was aweful it was worse then the melo era because he kept putting on band aids instead of rebuilding
Melo was just another band aid that pissed off the then Donnie Walsh who resigned because Dolan f u c k e d his plan to build through youth.
Regardless I think the KP era is off to the Best start hes still one year younger then Ewing when he came in the league and his supporting cast is filled with youth and potential. Really with the mess the melo era created I’m surprised we have such a supporting cast for KP to take the man role over
fitzfarm wrote:Man, what a terrible era and it sucked from the beginning to end . First we traded the farm for him because he couldn’t wait till the off season and wanted more money. Then he couldn’t play with Amar’e , then it was the coaches system didn’t fit, then he didn’t like linsanity, then MDA couldn’t deal with the melo drama, then one good year, then the worst years in knicks history,Phil, ntc when we should have let him walk, then it was the triangle, Porzingis, and then some of the worst melo drama till the end. I like melo I think he’s not a bad guy he dose a lot off the court, but as a player F U C K melo.
The only era that sucked more then the melo era was the Isiah era, at least outta all of this we got Porzingis, and one good year .
Good bye melo smell ya later you stunk the life out of this team.
Forgot to mention how he Wasted all the talent we surrounded him with.
So now that we got rid of the reason we sucked, who do you think we will play in the finals this year?
fitzfarm wrote:Man, what a terrible era and it sucked from the beginning to end . First we traded the farm for him because he couldn’t wait till the off season and wanted more money. Then he couldn’t play with Amar’e , then it was the coaches system didn’t fit, then he didn’t like linsanity, then MDA couldn’t deal with the melo drama, then one good year, then the worst years in knicks history,Phil, ntc when we should have let him walk, then it was the triangle, Porzingis, and then some of the worst melo drama till the end. I like melo I think he’s not a bad guy he dose a lot off the court, but as a player F U C K melo.
The only era that sucked more then the melo era was the Isiah era, at least outta all of this we got Porzingis, and one good year .
Good bye melo smell ya later you stunk the life out of this team.
Forgot to mention how he Wasted all the talent we surrounded him with.
So now that we got rid of the reason we sucked, who do you think we will play in the finals this year?
jrodmc wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:fitzfarm wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:the era did suck. Melo deserves a good chunk of the blame. the various management regimes also deserves a good chunk of blame too. Who was the best player Melo played with? Amar'e had given too much the year before and was never really the same... you could say Chandler, who we gave up on... a couple others come to mind, but I'll say a 40 y/o Jason Kidd was the best teammate Melo got to play with. The other players around him were for the most part awful
Can kinda agree but look at who Ewing brought to the chip and the playoffs every year he was a knick.
Ewing has some of the worst supporting cast and he’s a forever warrior/winner even with out the chip.melo will leave with the opposite legacy as a failure
Ewing definitely was a more impactful player and, I agree, the reason he didn't win is because there wasn't more around him. That said, he did benefit from Bill Cartwright, Bernard King, Mark Jackson, Charles Oakley, Rod Strickland, John Starks, Anthony Mason, Xavier McDaniel, Allan Houston, Larry Johnson, (a young) Marcus Camby, Latrell Spreewell, (a young) Kurt Thomas
The Ewing era is sad because they really could have won a championship... and probably would have come close had Isiah Thomas elected to get traded to the Knicks...
In the case of Melo, there was a bunch of garbage around him. Ewing played with Doc Rivers and and Rolando Blackman and they didn't make my list above... yet Jason Kidd was essentially in the same role for a Melo Knicks team, and Kidd is probably the best player Melo ever played with here
If the bold is really true on any level, than that should end all arguments.
Except Melo is the main reason of this...
All players we get and did not get are because of the "center-piece".
On a brighter note, Melo was traded without totally Fing the Knicks long term, which is a new experience for younger Knicks fans. Sure Presti got the better of this deal. The NTC pretty much guaranteed it. Still, we can see a lightbulb going on with mgmt. Doesn't feel like the front office (and ownership) is going from one mood swing to the next.
The stars just might be aligning as long as Perry sticks to the plan that Phil couldn't, and Dolan stays out of the way. I know other teams have been brought up in comparison to this one, but this team reminds me the most of the late 80s Knicks. Young team, hungry, with a few smart vets rotating in and out of the roster.
