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So he wants to play the 4, so he can shoot over smaller players. Makes sense. Defensively he's better at the 5 because of his elite rim protection, but he doesn't want to get worn down competing against bigger players. So it got me thinking, who is the perfect player to put next to KP? Let's take out the obviously stars. Someone like Draymond Green who can do it all is obvious. What players out there can defend both PF and C positions to cover for KP on tougher matchups, but also stretch the floor enough to give him space to operate? Also, must be a quality rebounder to help in that dept. Who are the perfect big man partners for KP in the league right now?

Nerlens Noel

SupremeCommander wrote:Nerlens Noel

good choice but Dallas has him won't let him.go

Dwight Powell

His position should just be called a "stretch", cause whether he is a 4 or a 5 he is stretching the defender.

Kanter is that guy... unless you wanna play small ball a d I think that's what you are getting at. Beasley is already on the team. He's actually perfect next to KP. Beas handles and shoots it well. We'd have the perfect "small ball " tandem except both guys are actually pretty tall

EnySpree wrote:Kanter is that guy... unless you wanna play small ball a d I think that's what you are getting at. Beasley is already on the team. He's actually perfect next to KP. Beas handles and shoots it well. We'd have the perfect "small ball " tandem except both guys are actually pretty tall

Neither are a good defender though, that's the concern. Really need a quality 2-way player starting next to KP.

An interesting option to me, is if we land in the mid-to-late lottery, Robert Williams in this year's draft. Athletic 4/5 who can defend, rebound, and block shots. Offensively, he's mainly a finisher, but is developing his jumper which would make all the difference.

I can think of a lot of guys that already have too many miles on them

DeMarre Carroll would have been a great pick up if we had had the cap space.

Kris Humphries is the kind of player that fit that role at one time.

Wilson Chandler.

I suspect we could find a great role player- maybe not a stand out star- in the NBDL.

His best position will be center when he gets a little stronger. I don't like him at PF because he is too slow to guard the faster PFs in the league and too skinny to take advantage of them in the post. These are not the old days. There are a lot more fast PFs now than bigger plodding PFs.

I don't understand why we want to put our Unicron in some kind of old-school position, as far as I am concerned he can play 0.413 position

Gudris wrote:I don't understand why we want to put our Unicron in some kind of old-school position, as far as I am concerned he can play 0.413 position

It's organized sports not a pick up game at the Y. Positions are needed strategy wise regardless how many threes are being taken today. Still need spacing, rebounding and ability to score inside. Need organization to defend

dacash wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Nerlens Noel

good choice but Dallas has him won't let him.go

Didn't he sign a one year tender? Kanter and O'Quinn maybe gone next year and Nerlens could fit in nicely.

yellowboy90 wrote:

dacash wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Nerlens Noel

good choice but Dallas has him won't let him.go

Didn't he sign a one year tender? Kanter and O'Quinn maybe gone next year and Nerlens could fit in nicely.

Wishful thinking. I don't see Kanter opting out, not in this market. The fact that Noel's couldn't pull in a big deal has got to factor into Kanter's camp though process.

BigDaddyG wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

dacash wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Nerlens Noel

good choice but Dallas has him won't let him.go

Didn't he sign a one year tender? Kanter and O'Quinn maybe gone next year and Nerlens could fit in nicely.

Wishful thinking. I don't see Kanter opting out, not in this market. The fact that Noel's couldn't pull in a big deal has got to factor into Kanter's camp though process.

Noel wanted max (like 25mil per year).

Kelly Olynk signed for a 4 yr 50mil deal. Kanter can command 14-16mil per over 4 yrs in this market. He also going to want a place where he can start and get 30 mins a game. Knicks most likely won't offer that with Noah, Willy, KOQ, KP. So would he want to collect 18mil per for one more yr 24mins per ish. Not to mention injury risk. Or will he look to lock in a 4 yr 56-60mil contract for a team that can give him 30mins.

Dallas comes to mind next off season, Sacramento Kings, Atlanta Hawks.

newyorknewyork wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

dacash wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Nerlens Noel

good choice but Dallas has him won't let him.go

Didn't he sign a one year tender? Kanter and O'Quinn maybe gone next year and Nerlens could fit in nicely.

Wishful thinking. I don't see Kanter opting out, not in this market. The fact that Noel's couldn't pull in a big deal has got to factor into Kanter's camp though process.

Noel wanted max (like 25mil per year).

Kelly Olynk signed for a 4 yr 50mil deal. Kanter can command 14-16mil per over 4 yrs in this market. He also going to want a place where he can start and get 30 mins a game. Knicks most likely won't offer that with Noah, Willy, KOQ, KP. So would he want to collect 18mil per for one more yr 24mins per ish. Not to mention injury risk. Or will he look to lock in a 4 yr 56-60mil contract for a team that can give him 30mins.

Dallas comes to mind next off season, Sacramento Kings, Atlanta Hawks.

Yeah i think if he opts out, Knicks don't resign him. They will want to preserve money to focus on landing a star in a couple of years. I think they are more likely to give McDermott a little money. Kanter is going to be good, but having KP, Willy, and Noah locked in will make it difficult to invest big money in him, especially if the Knicks are focused on getting KP to sign an extension.

newyorknewyork wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

dacash wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Nerlens Noel

good choice but Dallas has him won't let him.go

Didn't he sign a one year tender? Kanter and O'Quinn maybe gone next year and Nerlens could fit in nicely.

Wishful thinking. I don't see Kanter opting out, not in this market. The fact that Noel's couldn't pull in a big deal has got to factor into Kanter's camp though process.

Noel wanted max (like 25mil per year).

Kelly Olynk signed for a 4 yr 50mil deal. Kanter can command 14-16mil per over 4 yrs in this market. He also going to want a place where he can start and get 30 mins a game. Knicks most likely won't offer that with Noah, Willy, KOQ, KP. So would he want to collect 18mil per for one more yr 24mins per ish. Not to mention injury risk. Or will he look to lock in a 4 yr 56-60mil contract for a team that can give him 30mins.

Dallas comes to mind next off season, Sacramento Kings, Atlanta Hawks.

I can't really see it unless Enes starts hitting threes or playing better defense.. He's still relatively young, so another year collecting $18M won't hurt him. I'm pretty sure he's not going to get another deal like this current one, especially with the more conservative cap projections. If he opts, it means he really expanded his game and showed huge impeovement, which is good. But Noel, who is a better fit on most NBA roster s, couldn't attract a deal past $17.5M range. Kanter, who is considered more of a niche player, isn't nearly as desirable as Noel. Centers still get overpaid, but different things are expected out of the position now and Kanter will have to develop those skills to cash in.

Didn't someone say he is a SF in a 7.2 frame - that's how he should play like KD.

BigDaddyG wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

dacash wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Nerlens Noel

good choice but Dallas has him won't let him.go

Didn't he sign a one year tender? Kanter and O'Quinn maybe gone next year and Nerlens could fit in nicely.

Wishful thinking. I don't see Kanter opting out, not in this market. The fact that Noel's couldn't pull in a big deal has got to factor into Kanter's camp though process.

Noel wanted max (like 25mil per year).

Kelly Olynk signed for a 4 yr 50mil deal. Kanter can command 14-16mil per over 4 yrs in this market. He also going to want a place where he can start and get 30 mins a game. Knicks most likely won't offer that with Noah, Willy, KOQ, KP. So would he want to collect 18mil per for one more yr 24mins per ish. Not to mention injury risk. Or will he look to lock in a 4 yr 56-60mil contract for a team that can give him 30mins.

Dallas comes to mind next off season, Sacramento Kings, Atlanta Hawks.

I can't really see it unless Enes starts hitting threes or playing better defense.. He's still relatively young, so another year collecting $18M won't hurt him. I'm pretty sure he's not going to get another deal like this current one, especially with the more conservative cap projections. If he opts, it means he really expanded his game and showed huge impeovement, which is good. But Noel, who is a better fit on most NBA roster s, couldn't attract a deal past $17.5M range. Kanter, who is considered more of a niche player, isn't nearly as desirable as Noel. Centers still get overpaid, but different things are expected out of the position now and Kanter will have to develop those skills to cash in.

But that 18 mil per is only for one season. If he can secure a long term deal at 14-16mil per then he is out. His agent wouldn't let him sacrifice 2-4mil with 56-60 on the table.

What Kanter has going for him is analytic front offices which most teams are now. He has been a 200+ win share guy with OKC probably will drop some with NYK, 59-60TS%, and a high level of points per min and rebounds per min. So even though he is an offensive role player who scores in the paint. He is an elite offensive role player. That will get him paid.

newyorknewyork wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

dacash wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Nerlens Noel

good choice but Dallas has him won't let him.go

Didn't he sign a one year tender? Kanter and O'Quinn maybe gone next year and Nerlens could fit in nicely.

Wishful thinking. I don't see Kanter opting out, not in this market. The fact that Noel's couldn't pull in a big deal has got to factor into Kanter's camp though process.

Noel wanted max (like 25mil per year).

Kelly Olynk signed for a 4 yr 50mil deal. Kanter can command 14-16mil per over 4 yrs in this market. He also going to want a place where he can start and get 30 mins a game. Knicks most likely won't offer that with Noah, Willy, KOQ, KP. So would he want to collect 18mil per for one more yr 24mins per ish. Not to mention injury risk. Or will he look to lock in a 4 yr 56-60mil contract for a team that can give him 30mins.

Dallas comes to mind next off season, Sacramento Kings, Atlanta Hawks.

I can't really see it unless Enes starts hitting threes or playing better defense.. He's still relatively young, so another year collecting $18M won't hurt him. I'm pretty sure he's not going to get another deal like this current one, especially with the more conservative cap projections. If he opts, it means he really expanded his game and showed huge impeovement, which is good. But Noel, who is a better fit on most NBA roster s, couldn't attract a deal past $17.5M range. Kanter, who is considered more of a niche player, isn't nearly as desirable as Noel. Centers still get overpaid, but different things are expected out of the position now and Kanter will have to develop those skills to cash in.

But that 18 mil per is only for one season. If he can secure a long term deal at 14-16mil per then he is out. His agent wouldn't let him sacrifice 2-4mil with 56-60 on the table.

What Kanter has going for him is analytic front offices which most teams are now. He has been a 200+ win share guy with OKC probably will drop some with NYK, 59-60TS%, and a high level of points per min and rebounds per min. So even though he is an offensive role player who scores in the paint. He is an elite offensive role player. That will get him paid.

Depends what analytics you look at. I hope he opts because we need the space.

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BigDaddyG wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

dacash wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Nerlens Noel

good choice but Dallas has him won't let him.go

Didn't he sign a one year tender? Kanter and O'Quinn maybe gone next year and Nerlens could fit in nicely.

Wishful thinking. I don't see Kanter opting out, not in this market. The fact that Noel's couldn't pull in a big deal has got to factor into Kanter's camp though process.

Noel wanted max (like 25mil per year).

Kelly Olynk signed for a 4 yr 50mil deal. Kanter can command 14-16mil per over 4 yrs in this market. He also going to want a place where he can start and get 30 mins a game. Knicks most likely won't offer that with Noah, Willy, KOQ, KP. So would he want to collect 18mil per for one more yr 24mins per ish. Not to mention injury risk. Or will he look to lock in a 4 yr 56-60mil contract for a team that can give him 30mins.

Dallas comes to mind next off season, Sacramento Kings, Atlanta Hawks.

I can't really see it unless Enes starts hitting threes or playing better defense.. He's still relatively young, so another year collecting $18M won't hurt him. I'm pretty sure he's not going to get another deal like this current one, especially with the more conservative cap projections. If he opts, it means he really expanded his game and showed huge impeovement, which is good. But Noel, who is a better fit on most NBA roster s, couldn't attract a deal past $17.5M range. Kanter, who is considered more of a niche player, isn't nearly as desirable as Noel. Centers still get overpaid, but different things are expected out of the position now and Kanter will have to develop those skills to cash in.

But that 18 mil per is only for one season. If he can secure a long term deal at 14-16mil per then he is out. His agent wouldn't let him sacrifice 2-4mil with 56-60 on the table.

What Kanter has going for him is analytic front offices which most teams are now. He has been a 200+ win share guy with OKC probably will drop some with NYK, 59-60TS%, and a high level of points per min and rebounds per min. So even though he is an offensive role player who scores in the paint. He is an elite offensive role player. That will get him paid.

Depends what analytics you look at. I hope he opts because we need the space.

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His defense is poor. Which is why he is an kind of like an instant offense and rebounding role player off the bench. Due to his high level of production in that role along with his age though he will get paid.

That's also not a good example. Capela didn't even set an actual pick. The guard shouldn't have gotten beat that bad with no picks actually set. Kanter then had to worry about Beverley and Capela coming right at him full speed. He still was able to cut Beverly off and make an attempt at the lob.

And in the comments we have people debating if Cheeks said play or blame. And honestly I don't see how you look at the clip and blame Kanter for it when his PG completely screwed him on the play. That's a hard play for even an all defensive player.

newyorknewyork wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

dacash wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Nerlens Noel

good choice but Dallas has him won't let him.go

Didn't he sign a one year tender? Kanter and O'Quinn maybe gone next year and Nerlens could fit in nicely.

Wishful thinking. I don't see Kanter opting out, not in this market. The fact that Noel's couldn't pull in a big deal has got to factor into Kanter's camp though process.

Noel wanted max (like 25mil per year).

Kelly Olynk signed for a 4 yr 50mil deal. Kanter can command 14-16mil per over 4 yrs in this market. He also going to want a place where he can start and get 30 mins a game. Knicks most likely won't offer that with Noah, Willy, KOQ, KP. So would he want to collect 18mil per for one more yr 24mins per ish. Not to mention injury risk. Or will he look to lock in a 4 yr 56-60mil contract for a team that can give him 30mins.

Dallas comes to mind next off season, Sacramento Kings, Atlanta Hawks.

I can't really see it unless Enes starts hitting threes or playing better defense.. He's still relatively young, so another year collecting $18M won't hurt him. I'm pretty sure he's not going to get another deal like this current one, especially with the more conservative cap projections. If he opts, it means he really expanded his game and showed huge impeovement, which is good. But Noel, who is a better fit on most NBA roster s, couldn't attract a deal past $17.5M range. Kanter, who is considered more of a niche player, isn't nearly as desirable as Noel. Centers still get overpaid, but different things are expected out of the position now and Kanter will have to develop those skills to cash in.

But that 18 mil per is only for one season. If he can secure a long term deal at 14-16mil per then he is out. His agent wouldn't let him sacrifice 2-4mil with 56-60 on the table.

What Kanter has going for him is analytic front offices which most teams are now. He has been a 200+ win share guy with OKC probably will drop some with NYK, 59-60TS%, and a high level of points per min and rebounds per min. So even though he is an offensive role player who scores in the paint. He is an elite offensive role player. That will get him paid.

Depends what analytics you look at. I hope he opts because we need the space.

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His defense is poor. Which is why he is an kind of like an instant offense and rebounding role player off the bench. Due to his high level of production in that role along with his age though he will get paid.

That's also not a good example. Capela didn't even set an actual pick. The guard shouldn't have gotten beat that bad with no picks actually set. Kanter then had to worry about Beverley and Capela coming right at him full speed. He still was able to cut Beverly off and make an attempt at the lob.

And in the comments we have people debating if Cheeks said play or blame. And honestly I don't see how you look at the clip and blame Kanter for it when his PG completely screwed him on the play. That's a hard play for even an all defensive player.

You're right in that play wasn't totally his fault. The thing is, he didn't play much the entire series. His minutes took a dramatic decline. I hope he improves to the point where he feels he can opt out. Heck, I'd say re-sign him if he does.