Knicks · The 2018 Tank/Draft Thread (page 24)

If the bulls don't move up, I don't see any scenario where they wouldn't pick Mikal Bridges, so I don't see him. Being on the board for us.

dodger78 wrote:Enjoyed watching Doncic yesterday with Real vs Red Star Belgrad in Euroleague.
I have seen him a couple of times this year and one thing is for sure he is an amazing baller!
I have NO doubt at all that he will find his role in the NBA and be a star/all-star player eventually!

Let me just share some thoughts on him and set expectations.
Luca Doncic does have GREAT court vision and the advanced passing skills to find the open man in tight situations BUT he is no Point Guard and would struggle majourly
against speedy PGs in the NBA.
Hes got good not great handles. Not enough for the PG position but more than enough for every other position basically.

I see him as a playmaking SG basically or even SF.
He has the lenght and strenght already to play the SF position and will basically be a tripple double threat night in night out.

Funny thing is that even thought I just wrote that he is no PG... I think a good comparison actually is Ben Simmons plus a reliable 3pt shot with a little less rebounding.

If the Knicks WOULD get so lucky to get him I see him as the PERFECT Backcourt partner for Frankie who could take up the PG defensive responsibilities easily while Doncic adds the playmaking that Frankie lacks to this point...

I saw a comp for him that said Steve Smith and I can see that. A tall guy who is too slow for PG but is an excellent secondary ballhandler. He had a decent floater when I saw him last summer. How did his finishing ability look when you saw him?

BigDaddyG wrote:

dodger78 wrote:Enjoyed watching Doncic yesterday with Real vs Red Star Belgrad in Euroleague.
I have seen him a couple of times this year and one thing is for sure he is an amazing baller!
I have NO doubt at all that he will find his role in the NBA and be a star/all-star player eventually!

Let me just share some thoughts on him and set expectations.
Luca Doncic does have GREAT court vision and the advanced passing skills to find the open man in tight situations BUT he is no Point Guard and would struggle majourly
against speedy PGs in the NBA.
Hes got good not great handles. Not enough for the PG position but more than enough for every other position basically.

I see him as a playmaking SG basically or even SF.
He has the lenght and strenght already to play the SF position and will basically be a tripple double threat night in night out.

Funny thing is that even thought I just wrote that he is no PG... I think a good comparison actually is Ben Simmons plus a reliable 3pt shot with a little less rebounding.

If the Knicks WOULD get so lucky to get him I see him as the PERFECT Backcourt partner for Frankie who could take up the PG defensive responsibilities easily while Doncic adds the playmaking that Frankie lacks to this point...

I saw a comp for him that said Steve Smith and I can see that. A tall guy who is too slow for PG but is an excellent secondary ballhandler. He had a decent floater when I saw him last summer. How did his finishing ability look when you saw him?

In terms of comparing styles of play the Steve Smith comparison is not too off I think... they both had a lot of "old mans game" in theirs using change of speed dribles and fakes in perfection. Thats Doncics game in a nutshell - deception.
But while Steve Smith was a lot more athletic than Doncic is, Doncic will add more to a team in pretty much every other aspect to the game than scoring.
He makes ppl around him better.
He is one of those guys thats does all the little things that make your offense flow not stutter.

smackeddog wrote:If the bulls don't move up, I don't see any scenario where they wouldn't pick Mikal Bridges, so I don't see him. Being on the board for us.

They could use one of those elite bigs to help Markennan out. Also the rumor is they want to package both of their 1st round picks to move up for Bagley.

Lastly I think a lot of people are sleeping on Miles Bridges fitting into the Bulls Transition heavy offense. He would be a beast next to Levine and Dunn who like to go fast and put pressure on defenses before they can set up in the half court.

Whereas Mikal plays great in a half court motion offense (which after KP's injury would make a lot of sense for the knicks) Also The knicks are under pressure to look good by 2019 for their last chance to get a star FA before paying KP. Mikal looks like a contributor on day one. Chicago is all youth and is more likely to pick based on upside which Miles has more of than Mikal.

So I really don't see the Bulls taking Mikal.

I understand the concern about Mikal Bridges dribbling/offensive creativity... but he seems to have a great motor and is athletically superior to Kent Bazemore. He's also a good shooter and since our lineup is likely going to have KP and Burke out there - is it really vital to have a creative 3 position when Hardaway is also good off the dribble? Not saying I wouldn't like it, but all players have strengths and weaknesses and I can live with this if the strengths are shooting, defense and playing hard. If we choose a younger small forward with better handles and creativity - then maybe we're sacrificing something else (eg defense, focus, passing, etc). Some were looking at Mo Harkless this past offseason with Melo trades and all - how do we think Bridges would compare to Harkless? I'm fine with who we take but would prefer defense, playing hard and coachable as my priorities for the player we choose. To me that means Sexton (over T.Young), Carter over JJ Jr, etc...

Bulls won again today. If the Knicks lose out their final 5 games, they will get the 8th pick, possibly the 7th pick in the lottery.

The Bulls play the Nets twice still this season so those teams either will each win one more game or one of the two will win at least 2 more games.

The key is for the Knicks to lose to the Magic on Tuesday night. If they do, hopefully the front office will see the opportunity in the lottery that will be available and fully tanks the final 4 games thereafter (please don't play Kanter, O'Quinn, Lee, or Hardaway). I'm fine with them playing Burke even though he's killing the tank because he could possibly be a piece for us in the future. But Dotson, Hicks, Kornet, Troy Williams, and Ntilikina should all play the majority of minutes the rest of the season. Unfortunately, i believe the Knicks will win Tuesday's game.

It's just too much to ask for the Knicks to lose 4 straight home games. If history holds true, the Knicks will go all out to win Tuesday night to have the "feel-good" win at home at MSG to celebrate their lousy season that could have been so much better if they had just lost a couple more games. Sigh.

Knicks 27 wins (probably wins 2 more games)
Bulls 26 wins (possible this teams win 2-3 more games)
Nets 25 wins (possible this team wins 2-3 more games)
Sacramento 24 wins (doubtful)
Dallas 23 wins (no way)
Orlando 22 wins (no way)

90sKnicks wrote:Bulls won again today. If the Knicks lose out their final 5 games, they will get the 8th pick, possibly the 7th pick in the lottery.

The Bulls play the Nets twice still this season so those teams either will each win one more game or one of the two will win at least 2 more games.

The key is for the Knicks to lose to the Magic on Tuesday night. If they do, hopefully the front office will see the opportunity in the lottery that will be available and fully tanks the final 4 games thereafter (please don't play Kanter, O'Quinn, Lee, or Hardaway). I'm fine with them playing Burke even though he's killing the tank because he could possibly be a piece for us in the future. But Dotson, Hicks, Kornet, Troy Williams, and Ntilikina should all play the majority of minutes the rest of the season. Unfortunately, i believe the Knicks will win Tuesday's game.

It's just too much to ask for the Knicks to lose 4 straight home games. If history holds true, the Knicks will go all out to win Tuesday night to have the "feel-good" win at home at MSG to celebrate their lousy season that could have been so much better if they had just lost a couple more games. Sigh.

Knicks 27 wins (probably wins 2 more games)
Bulls 26 wins (possible this teams win 2-3 more games)
Nets 25 wins (possible this team wins 2-3 more games)
Sacramento 24 wins (doubtful)
Dallas 23 wins (no way)
Orlando 22 wins (no way)

No upside playing hardaway anymore-- if he tears an acl playing 40 min in one of the last 5 nothing can be said

BRIGGS wrote:

90sKnicks wrote:Bulls won again today. If the Knicks lose out their final 5 games, they will get the 8th pick, possibly the 7th pick in the lottery.

The Bulls play the Nets twice still this season so those teams either will each win one more game or one of the two will win at least 2 more games.

The key is for the Knicks to lose to the Magic on Tuesday night. If they do, hopefully the front office will see the opportunity in the lottery that will be available and fully tanks the final 4 games thereafter (please don't play Kanter, O'Quinn, Lee, or Hardaway). I'm fine with them playing Burke even though he's killing the tank because he could possibly be a piece for us in the future. But Dotson, Hicks, Kornet, Troy Williams, and Ntilikina should all play the majority of minutes the rest of the season. Unfortunately, i believe the Knicks will win Tuesday's game.

It's just too much to ask for the Knicks to lose 4 straight home games. If history holds true, the Knicks will go all out to win Tuesday night to have the "feel-good" win at home at MSG to celebrate their lousy season that could have been so much better if they had just lost a couple more games. Sigh.

Knicks 27 wins (probably wins 2 more games)
Bulls 26 wins (possible this teams win 2-3 more games)
Nets 25 wins (possible this team wins 2-3 more games)
Sacramento 24 wins (doubtful)
Dallas 23 wins (no way)
Orlando 22 wins (no way)

No upside playing hardaway anymore-- if he tears an acl playing 40 min in one of the last 5 nothing can be said

what are you talking about? Hardaway plays poor D and is shooting like Frank these days.

90sKnicks wrote:Bulls won again today. If the Knicks lose out their final 5 games, they will get the 8th pick, possibly the 7th pick in the lottery.

The Bulls play the Nets twice still this season so those teams either will each win one more game or one of the two will win at least 2 more games.

The key is for the Knicks to lose to the Magic on Tuesday night. If they do, hopefully the front office will see the opportunity in the lottery that will be available and fully tanks the final 4 games thereafter (please don't play Kanter, O'Quinn, Lee, or Hardaway). I'm fine with them playing Burke even though he's killing the tank because he could possibly be a piece for us in the future. But Dotson, Hicks, Kornet, Troy Williams, and Ntilikina should all play the majority of minutes the rest of the season. Unfortunately, i believe the Knicks will win Tuesday's game.

It's just too much to ask for the Knicks to lose 4 straight home games. If history holds true, the Knicks will go all out to win Tuesday night to have the "feel-good" win at home at MSG to celebrate their lousy season that could have been so much better if they had just lost a couple more games. Sigh.

Knicks 27 wins (probably wins 2 more games)
Bulls 26 wins (possible this teams win 2-3 more games)
Nets 25 wins (possible this team wins 2-3 more games)
Sacramento 24 wins (doubtful)
Dallas 23 wins (no way)
Orlando 22 wins (no way)

They are pretty damn stupid so I think you are right

The Bulls with a surprise win takes them within one of us. Now let's hope they can get a couple more wins under their belt and get us in to 8th place.

90sKnicks wrote:Bulls won again today. If the Knicks lose out their final 5 games, they will get the 8th pick, possibly the 7th pick in the lottery.

The Bulls play the Nets twice still this season so those teams either will each win one more game or one of the two will win at least 2 more games.

The key is for the Knicks to lose to the Magic on Tuesday night. If they do, hopefully the front office will see the opportunity in the lottery that will be available and fully tanks the final 4 games thereafter (please don't play Kanter, O'Quinn, Lee, or Hardaway). I'm fine with them playing Burke even though he's killing the tank because he could possibly be a piece for us in the future. But Dotson, Hicks, Kornet, Troy Williams, and Ntilikina should all play the majority of minutes the rest of the season. Unfortunately, i believe the Knicks will win Tuesday's game.

It's just too much to ask for the Knicks to lose 4 straight home games. If history holds true, the Knicks will go all out to win Tuesday night to have the "feel-good" win at home at MSG to celebrate their lousy season that could have been so much better if they had just lost a couple more games. Sigh.

Knicks 27 wins (probably wins 2 more games)
Bulls 26 wins (possible this teams win 2-3 more games)
Nets 25 wins (possible this team wins 2-3 more games)
Sacramento 24 wins (doubtful)
Dallas 23 wins (no way)
Orlando 22 wins (no way)

Yep like the wins that cost us Towns

We'll go for the win vs the magic because we are genuinely that dumb!

At least Bulls won while trying to lose- they've gone to playing every player roughly 20mins, while we play our starters full minutes.

Anyways, here's the breakdown:

6) Kings 25-53

Remaining games: Suns, Griz, Spurs, Rockets

Notes: will lose the last 2 games, but there's a good chance they beat the also-tanking Suns and Griz, so if we lose all ours we could end up tied with them. But we won't!

7) Nets 25-52

Remaining games: Sixers, Bucks, Bulls, Bulls, Boston

Notes: They'll likely lose 3 of those- the key 2 are the Bulls games. If they win both of them then they're tied with us.

8) Bulls 26-51

Remaining games: Hornets, celtic, Nets, Nets, Pistons

Notes: Again, the Nets games are huge, however the Pistons game is also interesting

9) Knicks

Remaining games: Magic, Heat, Bucks, Cavs, cavs

Notes: We'll win the magic one, then the cavs games scare me as they will likely be resting Lebron by then

An absolute best case scenario would be for the Kings to win vs the Griz and Suns, Nets to win both games vs the Bulls, and then the Bulls win vs the Pistons. Of course then we'd be at the mercy of the coin toss and we know how that goes! Like I said, I'm not getting my hopes up as we'll be going for wins like the morons that we are.

I can see the Knicks moving up to 8, then seeing the Bulls more from 9 to 1 like they did the year they drafted Rose. When that happens I will blame all the people who call the Knicks stupid for winning games.

A good game from Burke is enough to beat the Magic. Bulls/Nets will split likely. Life goes on.

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At 7th, all the players who were picked at 8th and 9th are still there- you gain NOTHING by having a later pick, to prioritise winning these last few games over your pick is just stupid

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At 7th, all the players who were picked at 8th and 9th are still there- you gain NOTHING by having a later pick, to prioritise winning these last few games over your pick is just stupid

can you say with an ounce of realism and honesty that ANY of the teams in this area have prioritized winning over the pick?

I mean when everyone sits and Trey Burke drops 30/15 and thats enough to the beat the Magic is this another fire Jeff scenario? Knicks have 4 wins in their last 25 games. Knicks are running out Gleague players who actually care about the game of basketball and their careers.

I think if Burke has any more good games we should release him. All this effort he's putting in shows he's a low IQ player!

If we can get ahead of Chicago I think Carter would be for the taking. Still believe Sexton Young gonzo by 8/9 only way that does not happen is Knox SGA jump.

BRIGGS wrote:If we can get ahead of Chicago I think Carter would be for the taking. Still believe Sexton Young gonzo by 8/9 only way that does not happen is Knox SGA jump.

If the Knicks are 9 I will be hoping teams take those guys first.

I would give Trey Young 15 minutes into his first televised summer league action for Briggs to start threads about needing players with NBA bodies

I want DeVincenzo in the second round - watched him in 4 games now.

Today's basketball insiders has us taking Mikal Bridges with Carter and Trae Young also available at pick #9. I'll sign up for that choice any day.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-2018-nba-60-pick-mock-draft-4-3-18/

meloshouldgo wrote:I want DeVincenzo in the second round - watched him in 4 games now.

Either Spellman or DeVincinzo would be good picks at 37.