Knicks · The 2018 Tank/Draft Thread (page 3)

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Tank Porn

Man, I hate this convergence!! Start rooting for losing just sucks!
Tanking sucks. Its just no fun!

Yeah lets have yet another losing season and end up with a bench player like Frank wonderful to root for that. At least losing gives us some chance of getting out of this hell hole

23. Bulls 18-35
24. Nets 19-37
25. Griz 18-36
26. Magic 18-36
27. Suns 18-38
28. Kings 17-36
29. Hawks 17-38
30. Mavs 17-38

we've gained 3 spots due to the jazz, Lakers and Hornets surging lately (long may it continue!). Problem is there is a big gap for us no make up with the 8 teams below us (who weirdly all have essentially the same record)- I'll look up how many games those teams all have against each other at some point as that could be the decider. Those 4 wins vs the Nets are really hurting us. However the Nets won't tank (don't own their own pick) and we have to hope Bulls rediscover their winning ways soon (they had a little surge a few weeks ago). magic have also had a few wins lately- hopefully now they've traded away payton, they'll win some more (his advance stats were bad)We can't afford to win any more games!

This site is now our god:

http://www.tankathon.com

There's a couple of breakpoints - from
7th worst to 6th worst record your top 3 pick percentage jumps from 15% to 25%
5th to 4th - 25.5% to 37.7%
5th to 3rd - 25.5% to 46.8%
3rd to 2nd - 46.8% to 60%

Right now we have the 9th worst record, so we really need to get at least 6th worst record to have a decent shot at a top 3 pick.

smackeddog wrote:19. Jazz 26-28
20. Hornets 23-31
21. Lakers 23-31
22. Knicks 23-33

23. Bulls 18-35
24. Nets 19-37
25. Griz 18-36
26. Magic 18-36
27. Suns 18-38
28. Kings 17-36
29. Hawks 17-38
30. Mavs 17-38

we've gained 3 spots due to the jazz, Lakers and Hornets surging lately (long may it continue!). Problem is there is a big gap for us no make up with the 8 teams below us (who weirdly all have essentially the same record)- I'll look up how many games those teams all have against each other at some point as that could be the decider. Those 4 wins vs the Nets are really hurting us. However the Nets won't tank (don't own their own pick) and we have to hope Bulls rediscover their winning ways soon (they had a little surge a few weeks ago). magic have also had a few wins lately- hopefully now they've traded away payton, they'll win some more (his advance stats were bad)We can't afford to win any more games!

This site is now our god:

http://www.tankathon.com

Losing 3 games in the standings would be huge for us. Would love to get right in the middle of that big logjam between 5 and 8. Greatly increases our odds of getting a top 3 pick and even if we don't move up that's right around the spot where there's still supposed to be elite talent.

NYKBocker wrote:I don't want to tank. I don't believe in it. I believe that building a winning culture is more important.

Thats been going well.

magicTs wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I don't want to tank. I don't believe in it. I believe that building a winning culture is more important.

Thats been going well.

The roster we have now...Do you think they should be part of our team in the future? Are you getting rid of all of them once you get that extra ping pong ball? If you are not then you just showed these players that its ok to lose and not try. To build a team you need accountability. You need players that will show fight and pride. Since most of these players will be here next year then you want to build that team and you do that by trying to win and installing a winning if not a hard working culture. It's all about the team not an extra ping pong ball that has no guarantee will produce a franchise player or even an all-star player.

Depending on health of Porter(if good)

#1 Bagley
#2 Trae Young
#3 Porter

Before trade deadline/all star break we get mad when we lose.
Then....
When we are cooked, we get mad when they win!!!

It just feels wrong wrong to not have Melo/Phil to kick around anymore!

reub wrote:Don't the teams below us realistically have to win 10 or more of their remaining games for us to have a chance of moving up?

here's the breakdown in terms of the bottom 9 teams games vs each other:

1) Dallas: Lakers, Kings, Lakers, Jazz, Bulls, Nets, Jazz, Hornets, Kings, Lakers, Magic, Suns (6 Games)

2) Hawks: Lakers, Suns, Bulls, Hornets, Jazz, Kings, Magic (4 games)

3) Kings: Mavs, Nets, Jazz, Knicks, Magic, Jazz, Atlanta, mavs, Suns, Griz (8 games)

4) Suns: Jazz, Griz, Hawks, Hornets, Jazz, Magic, Kings, Mavs (5 games)

5) Magic: Bulls, Hornets, Knicks, Griz, jazz, Lakers, Kings, Suns, nets, Bulls, Atlanta, Knicks, Mavs, Hornets (11 games)

6) Griz: Suns, magic, Bulls, Jazz, Mavs, Nets, Hornets, Lakers, Jazz, Kings (8 games)

7) Nets: Hornets, Bulls, Kings, Hornets, Mavs, griz, Hornets, Magic, Bulls, Bulls (7 games)

8) Bulls: Magic, Nets, Hornets, Mavs, Griz, Hawks, Griz, Knicks, Magic, Hornets, Nets, Nets (10 games)

9) Knicks: magic, Kings, Mavs, hornets, Bulls, Hornets, Magic

Thankfully we don't have too many games vs teams that are worse for us (I say fortunately because history shows we cannot be trusted to lose these vital games). Looking at that I would say the Hawks have a lock on the worst record. magic have tonnes of games vs bad teams (11 vs teams with a worse record than us!). Bulls have 10 vs teams with a worse record than us. Kings and griz also have a lot- 8 games against teams with a worse record than us. Another beautiful thing is that the Bulls and Nets play each other 3 times, so thats 3 more wins to distribute between themselves. Hmm, things aren't a gloomy as I initially thought.

So I think Magic, Bulls, and Kings are catchable. nets also as they won't be tanking. No chance to catch the Suns (5 games) or Hawks (4 games).

smackeddog wrote:

reub wrote:Don't the teams below us realistically have to win 10 or more of their remaining games for us to have a chance of moving up?

here's the breakdown in terms of the bottom 9 teams games vs each other:

1) Dallas: Lakers, Kings, Lakers, Jazz, Bulls, Nets, Jazz, Hornets, Kings, Lakers, Magic, Suns

2) Hawks: Lakers, Suns, Bulls, Hornets, Jazz, Kings, Magic

3) Kings: Mavs, Nets, Jazz, Knicks, Magic, Jazz, Atlanta, mavs, Suns, Griz

4) Suns: Jazz, Griz, Hawks, Hornets, Jazz, Magic, Kings, Mavs

5) Magic: Bulls, Hornets, Knicks, Griz, jazz, Lakers, Kings, Suns, nets, Bulls, Atlanta, Knicks, Mavs, Hornets

6) Griz: Suns, magic, Bulls, Jazz, Mavs, Nets, Hornets, Lakers, Jazz, Kings

7) Nets: Hornets, Bulls, Kings, Hornets, Mavs, griz, Hornets, Magic, Bulls, Bulls

8) Bulls: Magic, Nets, Hornets, Mavs, Griz, Hawks, Griz, Knicks, Magic, Hornets, Nets, Nets

9) Knicks: magic, Kings, Mavs, hornets, Bulls, Hornets, Magic

Thankfully we don't have too many games vs teams that are worse for us (I say fortunately because history shows we cannot be trusted to lose these vital games). Looking at that I would say the Hawks have a lock on the worst record. magic have tonnes of games vs bad teams. Another beautiful thing is that the Bulls and Nets play each other 3 times, so thats 3 more wins to distribute between themselves. Hmm, things aren't a gloomy as I initially thought.

Thanks and great work. Let's play the kids more!

reub wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

reub wrote:Don't the teams below us realistically have to win 10 or more of their remaining games for us to have a chance of moving up?

here's the breakdown in terms of the bottom 9 teams games vs each other:

1) Dallas: Lakers, Kings, Lakers, Jazz, Bulls, Nets, Jazz, Hornets, Kings, Lakers, Magic, Suns (6 Games)

2) Hawks: Lakers, Suns, Bulls, Hornets, Jazz, Kings, Magic (4 games)

3) Kings: Mavs, Nets, Jazz, Knicks, Magic, Jazz, Atlanta, mavs, Suns, Griz (8 games)

4) Suns: Jazz, Griz, Hawks, Hornets, Jazz, Magic, Kings, Mavs (5 games)

5) Magic: Bulls, Hornets, Knicks, Griz, jazz, Lakers, Kings, Suns, nets, Bulls, Atlanta, Knicks, Mavs, Hornets (11 games)

6) Griz: Suns, magic, Bulls, Jazz, Mavs, Nets, Hornets, Lakers, Jazz, Kings (8 games)

7) Nets: Hornets, Bulls, Kings, Hornets, Mavs, griz, Hornets, Magic, Bulls, Bulls (7 games)

8) Bulls: Magic, Nets, Hornets, Mavs, Griz, Hawks, Griz, Knicks, Magic, Hornets, Nets, Nets (10 games)

9) Knicks: magic, Kings, Mavs, hornets, Bulls, Hornets, Magic

Thankfully we don't have too many games vs teams that are worse for us (I say fortunately because history shows we cannot be trusted to lose these vital games). Looking at that I would say the Hawks have a lock on the worst record. magic have tonnes of games vs bad teams (11 vs teams with a worse record than us!). Bulls have 10 vs teams with a worse record than us. Kings and griz also have a lot- 8 games against teams with a worse record than us. Another beautiful thing is that the Bulls and Nets play each other 3 times, so thats 3 more wins to distribute between themselves. Hmm, things aren't a gloomy as I initially thought.

So I think Magic, Bulls, and Kings are catchable. nets also as they won't be tanking. No chance to catch the Suns (5 games) or Hawks (4 games).

Thanks and great work. Let's play the kids more!

I've slightly upgraded it (see above!)

smackeddog wrote:19. Jazz 26-28
20. Hornets 23-31
21. Lakers 23-31
22. Knicks 23-33

23. Bulls 18-35
24. Nets 19-37
25. Griz 18-36
26. Magic 18-36
27. Suns 18-38
28. Kings 17-36
29. Hawks 17-38
30. Mavs 17-38

we've gained 3 spots due to the jazz, Lakers and Hornets surging lately (long may it continue!). Problem is there is a big gap for us no make up with the 8 teams below us (who weirdly all have essentially the same record)- I'll look up how many games those teams all have against each other at some point as that could be the decider. Those 4 wins vs the Nets are really hurting us. However the Nets won't tank (don't own their own pick) and we have to hope Bulls rediscover their winning ways soon (they had a little surge a few weeks ago). magic have also had a few wins lately- hopefully now they've traded away payton, they'll win some more (his advance stats were bad)We can't afford to win any more games!

This site is now our god:

http://www.tankathon.com

I will never regret a win over the Nets...

It's best to temper your tank expectations. 26 games to go...we may not win many, but we won't go 0-26 either. My only hope for the last third of the season is that we see a surge from Frank and/or Mudiay.

On a side note, I wound up with NYK as the #1 pick on tankathon (only took me 17 attempts!)

NYKBocker wrote:

magicTs wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I don't want to tank. I don't believe in it. I believe that building a winning culture is more important.

Thats been going well.

The roster we have now...Do you think they should be part of our team in the future? Are you getting rid of all of them once you get that extra ping pong ball? If you are not then you just showed these players that its ok to lose and not try. To build a team you need accountability. You need players that will show fight and pride. Since most of these players will be here next year then you want to build that team and you do that by trying to win and installing a winning if not a hard working culture. It's all about the team not an extra ping pong ball that has no guarantee will produce a franchise player or even an all-star player.

No, most of them suck. We have one player that should be part of our future, KP, and one player that we hope will become part of our future, Ntilikina (and I guess Mudiay now). Literally everyone else on the roster, with one exception, is at best league-average for their position and easily replaceable. The one exception is Kanter but he's so bad defensively he's virtually unplayable against good teams.

Trae Young is a close second

Aftre that you bhave some really high end prospects but they wont effect the team like those two will. POrter I just havent seen in some HS videos he tends to float a bit but he might be better than Simmons to give some color.

BRIGGS wrote:Marvin Bagley is the ultimate prize here--hes the franchise changer.

Trae Young is a close second

Aftre that you bhave some really high end prospects but they wont effect the team like those two will. POrter I just havent seen in some HS videos he tends to float a bit but he might be better than Simmons to give some color.

I'd switch Ayton with Bagley, but yeah, those guys are going to be drafted close to each other. Doncic is in there too. Bomba potential as a stretch 5 is intriguing, but he's going to need a few years to refine his shot and it work on his body. He could be a good fit next KP in time.