I'm not talking about grand concourse, lol....
Supposedly Charlotte wants to do a hard reset... I would love Kemba here. Yes I would trade Frenchy.... but this might be a Jordan special where he basically makes a trade approved by Stevie Wonder.
What say you?
Id trade Frank for Kemba as part of a deal. Frank's offense is still a question mark. No questions about what Walker brings to the table.
Not really interested in adding salaries at this point, so I say no to Batum. I might want to take a look at Gilchrist for our lowest second-rounder. Walker is like 27 now on a good deal. I have to think long on that one.
GustavBahler wrote:Id trade Frank for Kemba as part of a deal. Frank's offense is still a question mark. No questions about what Walker brings to the table.
Yeah done, Frank is so awful offensively
Lots of ifs here... but you would think adding Kemba would propel the Knicks to the playoffs.... still lack a small fwd but at that point the Knicks might try for a small fwd too....
Don't ask me how we get Kemba.... use your imaginatiom!
Knicks could actually trade Kanter, KOQ or Willy here... salary dump. It hate to see KOQ or Kanter go buy I'm a Knicks fan. I'm totally ok with being left with Noah as a starter. I believe he's healthy.
KP, Timmy, Noah, Kemba, Lee.... Beas off the bench. Possibly Trey Burke? Let's fucking go
EnySpree wrote:Lots of ifs here... but you would think adding Kemba would propel the Knicks to the playoffs.... still lack a small fwd but at that point the Knicks might try for a small fwd too.... Don't ask me how we get Kemba.... use your imaginatiom!
Knicks could actually trade Kanter, KOQ or Willy here... salary dump. It hate to see KOQ or Kanter go buy I'm a Knicks fan. I'm totally ok with being left with Noah as a starter. I believe he's healthy.
KP, Timmy, Noah, Kemba, Lee.... Beas off the bench. Possibly Trey Burke? Let's fucking go
Im pretty sure that Walker would make KP/Kanter a more effective tandem. Whoever might hypothetically be brought in at PG, I would want to see them try to work with that frontcourt before any moves are made.
BigDaddyG wrote:Not really interested in adding salaries at this point, so I say no to Batum. I might want to take a look at Gilchrist for our lowest second-rounder. Walker is like 27 now on a good deal. I have to think long on that one.
I just look up Gilchrist's stats. It would take more than a #2 to get him. He's just a three-point shot away from being a new age Gerald Wallace. As for Kemba Walker, I'd love to bring him in, but nothing we have make sense from a salary and desirability standpoint. I wouldn't be keen on giving up Frank or first at this point, unless Noah is part of the deal. Does Kemba make us, at the very least, a fourth seed? Probably not. Fifth seed, maybe, but our cap might be too out of wack at that point to move forward. It's tempting, but I'd pass.
I love Kemba Walker, but I have a feeling he's one of those guys you love because you only pay attention to him a few times a year. Probably a little different seeing him over 82 games.
Welpee wrote:I love Kemba Walker, but I have a feeling he's one of those guys you love because you only pay attention to him a few times a year. Probably a little different seeing him over 82 games.
Isn't this true about any player?
Fortunately teams have personal to see the whole body of work not just highlights.
There are a lot of players in NBA who will improve Knicks but we do not have anything to get them and anything that they will like to join yet.
WE need to first build the house and only then invite the inhabitants.
I saw a trade proposal where they had kemba, williams for frank, noah and Knicks #1 pick. No way do I do that.
Walker plays well against us but who doesn’t. He’s a in the bubble all star and would work well w KP and whatever 5 Knicks keep. I like Gilchrist but this is a deal that ain’t happening.
Walker is good, but i would rather just sign him as a free agent next summer. I want to stay patient then add either Walker or Middleton in summer 2019.
Not trading Frank.....not trading our 1st......impatience is why we have been in this mess the last decade and half
Frank tomorrow is not what Frank is today. 40 games in and fans are losing patience.
Kemba is under 6 foot and what happens when small guys lose that explosive step?
Think why Jordan wants to trade these guys? He knows that core is going nowhere. What if you added KP to the Hornets? Would that change the whole franchise?
Frank and KP are hitting a wall because of THjr’s injury.
Making trades based on todays shortfall are not bad ideas but the long view is what most important.
Hornets have failed with Zeller who is not progressing as thought. Dwight is a disaster anywhere he goes. I have seen Hornets in person more than knicks and he plays for his pay.
Kemba when hot is awesome. His future is off the bench as a “Microwave”. I’m not knocking his talent, just his fit in our future.
Giving up on Frank after 40 games at age 19 when he is obviously struggling it’s his shot and thinking this is his whole career is shortsightingly ignorant. This is what rebuilding is like, its uneven, frustrating and requires patience. Need some imagination. No guarantees. If you want that you end up with mediocrity.
ekstarks94 wrote:Not trading Frank.....not trading our 1st......impatience is why we have been in this mess the last decade and half
Who were we ever impatient with that we let go and they turned into a stud. Was it tony douglas, landry fields, Danilo,wilson chandler,Galloway, Lee, nate..Trades, FA, draft, can't rely on one more than the other.
Nalod wrote:Frank tomorrow is not what Frank is today. 40 games in and fans are losing patience.
Kemba is under 6 foot and what happens when small guys lose that explosive step?Think why Jordan wants to trade these guys? He knows that core is going nowhere. What if you added KP to the Hornets? Would that change the whole franchise?
Frank and KP are hitting a wall because of THjr’s injury.
Making trades based on todays shortfall are not bad ideas but the long view is what most important.
Hornets have failed with Zeller who is not progressing as thought. Dwight is a disaster anywhere he goes. I have seen Hornets in person more than knicks and he plays for his pay.
Kemba when hot is awesome. His future is off the bench as a “Microwave”. I’m not knocking his talent, just his fit in our future.
Giving up on Frank after 40 games at age 19 when he is obviously struggling it’s his shot and thinking this is his whole career is shortsightingly ignorant. This is what rebuilding is like, its uneven, frustrating and requires patience. Need some imagination. No guarantees. If you want that you end up with mediocrity.
This will always be the common theme here, losing patience. I mean there were people losing patience with Porzingis last year and ready to trade him at age 21. That proves this fanbase will lose patience with literally anyone and it's sad and embarrassing.
Anyone who wants to trade Frank for Kemba is just being a short sighted Knights fan
knicks1248 wrote:ekstarks94 wrote:Not trading Frank.....not trading our 1st......impatience is why we have been in this mess the last decade and half
Who were we ever impatient with that we let go and they turned into a stud. Was it tony douglas, landry fields, Danilo,wilson chandler,Galloway, Lee, nate..Trades, FA, draft, can't rely on one more than the other.
Danilo was the only high pick we get all this years and he is fine player.
Lee was also great for the teams he played.
When team is trading high draft picks away for decades the probability to succeed is close to nothing.
NBA is running on cap so it is no way to pay you way to success.
So no doubt teams have to use all avenues to get and grow talent.
But this is a PROCESS not a chane of lucky bets.
I am not trading Frank for Kemba. He is our own and I want to see the man grow. Again...this is his rookie year as a 19 year old. He has shown great skills defensively. His passing abilities and vision are very good. Patience.
Knixkik wrote:Nalod wrote:Frank tomorrow is not what Frank is today. 40 games in and fans are losing patience.
Kemba is under 6 foot and what happens when small guys lose that explosive step?Think why Jordan wants to trade these guys? He knows that core is going nowhere. What if you added KP to the Hornets? Would that change the whole franchise?
Frank and KP are hitting a wall because of THjr’s injury.
Making trades based on todays shortfall are not bad ideas but the long view is what most important.
Hornets have failed with Zeller who is not progressing as thought. Dwight is a disaster anywhere he goes. I have seen Hornets in person more than knicks and he plays for his pay.
Kemba when hot is awesome. His future is off the bench as a “Microwave”. I’m not knocking his talent, just his fit in our future.
Giving up on Frank after 40 games at age 19 when he is obviously struggling it’s his shot and thinking this is his whole career is shortsightingly ignorant. This is what rebuilding is like, its uneven, frustrating and requires patience. Need some imagination. No guarantees. If you want that you end up with mediocrity.
This will always be the common theme here, losing patience. I mean there were people losing patience with Porzingis last year and ready to trade him at age 21. That proves this fanbase will lose patience with literally anyone and it's sad and embarrassing.
Not reading any trades for Frank that involve retreads, broken down vets. Fultz and Walker are the two players I would be open to bringing here for Frank. The number one pick, potential superstar PG, and a starting PG (From NYC) in his prime, putting up elite numbers.
If anything its a compliment for the bar to be that high to be open to a trade involving Frank. As I said upthread, Frank's offense is still a question mark. We just dont know if he has that scorers mentality in him. He's had many opportunities to change that this season.
Thats what will separate Frank from being a starter in this league. Thats why you dont ignore good offers.
wargames wrote:Anyone who wants to trade Frank for Kemba is just being a short sighted Knights fan
agree. And its not just about what Frank can or cant be. A core of Kemba/KP/THjr/Kanter is a playoff team for sure. I have no doubt we get it. To what end? Do folks think KP's upside is such that his growth with have us in the ECF a few years in a row?
I just dont see that. Year after next we have to give Kemba big money for a few years to a guy who while clutch and a good player does little else but score.
Do this right.... keep building the core, stay flexible and focus on building from with in.
We have seen many guys on the roster get better this year:
KP heading to the AS game
Frank can defend against elite NBA talent at 19. Already a rotation guy.
McD better defense than advertised
Kanter better defense than advertised
Lee posting career #s
THjr posting career #s AND playing good defense
The goal at the deadline should be to add a few picks or players that have long term potential here and/or acquire assets while elevating Dotson/Willy in the rotation.
Get some picks or a prospect for KOQ/Lee/Beas whoever... and push the other guys up.
