Looks like he's on the block for financial reasons. Plus that kid Hezonja has emerged big time for them lately... he would slide into the 3 spot to replace Fournier.
Kanter contract along with his inside play is something Orlando needs financially and Frank Vogel wants tougher inside play.
Works straight up...
What say you?
With Vucevic, it would be for a salary dump move if they wanted Kanter. Unless they move Vucevic elsewhere.
If they dealt Fournier, I think they would want someone like Frank back, a longterm asset.
He's not making that much. 17M a year for a player that does what Fournier can, not that bad. He's their THj.
I don't think we need him that bad. We need a guy that can do what Fournier does, but bigger. We need a 6'9 long athletic version of Fournier.
While he is hurt they have Vooch. Don't think they want Vooch and Kanter type situation. There was rumors of Founier for Jackson and Kennard deal with Pistons.
Maybe in a 3 team it would make more sense for a team that could take on Kanter instead.
Never google has played really well early on in the yr. I would prefer more of a Sf/Pf then a SF/SG. But he has skills that the team could use from scoring/shooting & passing. Gotta check out how much he contributes defensively first though.
newyorknewyork wrote:While he is hurt they have Vooch. Don't think they want Vooch and Kanter type situation. There was rumors of Founier for Jackson and Kennard deal with Pistons. Maybe in a 3 team it would make more sense for a team that could take on Kanter instead.
Never google has played really well early on in the yr. I would prefer more of a Sf/Pf then a SF/SG. But he has skills that the team could use from scoring/shooting & passing. Gotta check out how much he contributes defensively first though.
That's it we need a SF more than we need a SG. We play Lance Thomas so many minutes just because he can match up with opposing wings. We need to find a guy with Lance Thomas size but a much much higher skill level. Get that player with KP, THj, Frank and maybe Beasley and now you got some offense and defense.
nyknickzingis wrote:With Vucevic, it would be for a salary dump move if they wanted Kanter. Unless they move Vucevic elsewhere.
If they dealt Fournier, I think they would want someone like Frank back, a longterm asset.
He's not making that much. 17M a year for a player that does what Fournier can, not that bad. He's their THj.I don't think we need him that bad. We need a guy that can do what Fournier does, but bigger. We need a 6'9 long athletic version of Fournier.
We're not going to get a 6'9" Founier... a 6'9" Fournier is Kevin Durant lol.
Seriously though, kp,founier koq, Frank, thjr... with Beas, thonas, Willy, Burke and Lee? Does it not make your penis pulsate?
Vooch has a broken finger.
no... not a defender. Im not adding any core guys that arent defensive players. A guy like Burke can make the team as a scorer, but Im not paying to get a guy who is just a scorer which I see Fournier as.
EnySpree wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:With Vucevic, it would be for a salary dump move if they wanted Kanter. Unless they move Vucevic elsewhere.
If they dealt Fournier, I think they would want someone like Frank back, a longterm asset.
He's not making that much. 17M a year for a player that does what Fournier can, not that bad. He's their THj.I don't think we need him that bad. We need a guy that can do what Fournier does, but bigger. We need a 6'9 long athletic version of Fournier.
We're not going to get a 6'9" Founier... a 6'9" Fournier is Kevin Durant lol.
Seriously though, kp,founier koq, Frank, thjr... with Beas, thonas, Willy, Burke and Lee? Does it not make your penis pulsate?
I want to move THJ down to SG. I would like him if the roster was more balanced, but Fournier would muck up the rotation now.
If Orlando is trying to clear cap and deal him in a salary dump, then sure, he should be considered. Lance, KOQ, McDermott, and a 2nd round pick saves them a lot of money and let's their new front office start over. But i don't see why they would want to do that. Fournier is a Hardaway-level player on a reasonable contract. He's a productive scorer and lights out shooter. He is also only 25 years old. For those reason i would jump at the opportunity to grab him for cheap.
Knixkik wrote:If Orlando is trying to clear cap and deal him in a salary dump, then sure, he should be considered. Lance, KOQ, McDermott, and a 2nd round pick saves them a lot of money and let's their new front office start over. But i don't see why they would want to do that. Fournier is a Hardaway-level player on a reasonable contract. He's a productive scorer and lights out shooter. He is also only 25 years old. For those reason i would jump at the opportunity to grab him for cheap.
His deal is relatively the same as THJr... Fournier would be the small fwd, THJr goes too shooting guard. We get a bump in 3pt shooting, passing and driving ability. We could put out Beas, Fournier,KP, Frank and THJr and theoretically run teams off the court!
Early in the year the Lakers boasted of Nance, now they’d rather move Lance than Randall. I like Randall. His defense isn’t as good as Nance but he can fill it. Sure he’s more a 4 but can we fit him at the 3 against smaller lineups and 4 when KP plays 5?
EnySpree wrote:Knixkik wrote:If Orlando is trying to clear cap and deal him in a salary dump, then sure, he should be considered. Lance, KOQ, McDermott, and a 2nd round pick saves them a lot of money and let's their new front office start over. But i don't see why they would want to do that. Fournier is a Hardaway-level player on a reasonable contract. He's a productive scorer and lights out shooter. He is also only 25 years old. For those reason i would jump at the opportunity to grab him for cheap.
His deal is relatively the same as THJr... Fournier would be the small fwd, THJr goes too shooting guard. We get a bump in 3pt shooting, passing and driving ability. We could put out Beas, Fournier,KP, Frank and THJr and theoretically run teams off the court!
I agree. Fournier would bring a lot to the table. He would do fine at SF too. Ideally, i want more defense, but a lineup with Porzingis and Frank should be solid defensively no matter what.
EnySpree wrote:Knixkik wrote:If Orlando is trying to clear cap and deal him in a salary dump, then sure, he should be considered. Lance, KOQ, McDermott, and a 2nd round pick saves them a lot of money and let's their new front office start over. But i don't see why they would want to do that. Fournier is a Hardaway-level player on a reasonable contract. He's a productive scorer and lights out shooter. He is also only 25 years old. For those reason i would jump at the opportunity to grab him for cheap.
His deal is relatively the same as THJr... Fournier would be the small fwd, THJr goes too shooting guard. We get a bump in 3pt shooting, passing and driving ability. We could put out Beas, Fournier,KP, Frank and THJr and theoretically run teams off the court!
do the Knicks ever get to play team defense with more than just 2 defenders?
If Orlando wants to dump his salary what else would we be getting to take him off their hands because Fournier isn't enough on his own. He's a good enough shooter but he's been in the league for 6 years and he doesn't pass, doesn't rebound, doesn't defend and makes $17M/year for another 3 seasons after this one. He's a poor man's version of THJr who we're already paying $18M/year to.
martin wrote:EnySpree wrote:Knixkik wrote:If Orlando is trying to clear cap and deal him in a salary dump, then sure, he should be considered. Lance, KOQ, McDermott, and a 2nd round pick saves them a lot of money and let's their new front office start over. But i don't see why they would want to do that. Fournier is a Hardaway-level player on a reasonable contract. He's a productive scorer and lights out shooter. He is also only 25 years old. For those reason i would jump at the opportunity to grab him for cheap.
His deal is relatively the same as THJr... Fournier would be the small fwd, THJr goes too shooting guard. We get a bump in 3pt shooting, passing and driving ability. We could put out Beas, Fournier,KP, Frank and THJr and theoretically run teams off the court!
do the Knicks ever get to play team defense with more than just 2 defenders?
Do they ever get to play offense with more than one scorer?
EnySpree wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:With Vucevic, it would be for a salary dump move if they wanted Kanter. Unless they move Vucevic elsewhere.
If they dealt Fournier, I think they would want someone like Frank back, a longterm asset.
He's not making that much. 17M a year for a player that does what Fournier can, not that bad. He's their THj.I don't think we need him that bad. We need a guy that can do what Fournier does, but bigger. We need a 6'9 long athletic version of Fournier.
We're not going to get a 6'9" Founier... a 6'9" Fournier is Kevin Durant lol.
Seriously though, kp,founier koq, Frank, thjr... with Beas, thonas, Willy, Burke and Lee? Does it not make your penis pulsate?
Actually it doesn’t. Only KP and Frank (and Thomas) are better than average defenders. Maybe your joint pops for that team but they win no more than 40 at best and out in round 1. I liked Fournier lots but I would rather have a Marcus Smart than Evan Fournier or a Jukius Randell than Beas or Thomas. Crabbe Fournier are complimentary shooters but not multi dimensional. Clarkson - who’s available may end up being better than either though he plays little defense.
How does he make us better? We need a legit 6'9" SF, Fournier is a good player but is just more of the same.Plus do we really need to tie more money into SG we have 2 starters already
Paris907 wrote:EnySpree wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:With Vucevic, it would be for a salary dump move if they wanted Kanter. Unless they move Vucevic elsewhere.
If they dealt Fournier, I think they would want someone like Frank back, a longterm asset.
He's not making that much. 17M a year for a player that does what Fournier can, not that bad. He's their THj.I don't think we need him that bad. We need a guy that can do what Fournier does, but bigger. We need a 6'9 long athletic version of Fournier.
We're not going to get a 6'9" Founier... a 6'9" Fournier is Kevin Durant lol.
Seriously though, kp,founier koq, Frank, thjr... with Beas, thonas, Willy, Burke and Lee? Does it not make your penis pulsate?
Actually it doesn’t. Only KP and Frank (and Thomas) are better than average defenders. Maybe your joint pops for that team but they win no more than 40 at best and out in round 1. I liked Fournier lots but I would rather have a Marcus Smart than Evan Fournier or a Jukius Randell than Beas or Thomas. Crabbe Fournier are complimentary shooters but not multi dimensional. Clarkson - who’s available may end up being better than either though he plays little defense.
Amen.
VCoug wrote:If Orlando wants to dump his salary what else would we be getting to take him off their hands because Fournier isn't enough on his own. He's a good enough shooter but he's been in the league for 6 years and he doesn't pass, doesn't rebound, doesn't defend and makes $17M/year for another 3 seasons after this one. He's a poor man's version of THJr who we're already paying $18M/year to.
So you want a sf who's an efficient scorer, who rebounds, pass, defends, makes reasonable mony, young, athletic, shoots 3's and could finish around the rim.
I would give up lee and willy in a heart beat. He is a willing passer, and with him and tim on the wing, life for KP would be so much easier
knicks1248 wrote:VCoug wrote:If Orlando wants to dump his salary what else would we be getting to take him off their hands because Fournier isn't enough on his own. He's a good enough shooter but he's been in the league for 6 years and he doesn't pass, doesn't rebound, doesn't defend and makes $17M/year for another 3 seasons after this one. He's a poor man's version of THJr who we're already paying $18M/year to.
So you want a sf who's an efficient scorer, who rebounds, pass, defends, makes reasonable mony, young, athletic, shoots 3's and could finish around the rim.
I would give up lee and willy in a heart beat. He is a willing passer, and with him and tim on the wing, life for KP would be so much easier
If we're paying $17M/year then yes I want more than what Fournier gives us.
VCoug wrote:Paris907 wrote:EnySpree wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:With Vucevic, it would be for a salary dump move if they wanted Kanter. Unless they move Vucevic elsewhere.
If they dealt Fournier, I think they would want someone like Frank back, a longterm asset.
He's not making that much. 17M a year for a player that does what Fournier can, not that bad. He's their THj.I don't think we need him that bad. We need a guy that can do what Fournier does, but bigger. We need a 6'9 long athletic version of Fournier.
We're not going to get a 6'9" Founier... a 6'9" Fournier is Kevin Durant lol.
Seriously though, kp,founier koq, Frank, thjr... with Beas, thonas, Willy, Burke and Lee? Does it not make your penis pulsate?
Actually it doesn’t. Only KP and Frank (and Thomas) are better than average defenders. Maybe your joint pops for that team but they win no more than 40 at best and out in round 1. I liked Fournier lots but I would rather have a Marcus Smart than Evan Fournier or a Jukius Randell than Beas or Thomas. Crabbe Fournier are complimentary shooters but not multi dimensional. Clarkson - who’s available may end up being better than either though he plays little defense.
Amen.
Lol at amen... so if tge Knicks had Marcus smart right now and Julius Randle instead of Beas what would the Knicks be right now?
How many elite defenders did the Cleveland Cavaliers have in the finals last year? Kyrie? Love? Tristan Thompson?... I'm trying to figure that out.... when golden State won their first championship... how many did they have? Draymond and Thompson.... who else? You can say iggy defibately... who are the other lock down guys?
It's more about team defense then having one or two bums with defensive reps. You have to score the ball. You can't win unless you have more points.
With this current squad we have tats all we have to go with. We could try to get Randle Who we talked about before and nobody wanted him but now all of a sudden they do... Marcus smart fg shooting in the 30s... I still love the guy but you guys are kidding yourself thinking were going to win with these guys as focal points.
Only knick fans would cry about getting Fournier for basically free. We get KP, Fournier, KOQ, Frank and THJr as starters, we somehow don't get better? Talk about defense... KP is legit, Frank is legit. THJr has proven he is adequate. Beasley too. KOQ is legit too. Fournier is not a pussy, he mixes it up out there.... you mean to tell me our defense would get worse? Our record would stay basically the same? That's crazy to me.
