Knicks · Wily Lee Kanter: here’s WOJ take (page 1)

KOQ to GS is a no brainer. We should be able to get their late #1 and maybe even a guy like Bell back

I'd be happy for O'Quinn, and to see a recent Knick in the finals. Who left on good terms. If Cleveland makes a big move, pretty sure GS will be motivated. Even with what they have now.

fishmike wrote:actually a great read with insight... not the usual Knicks are crappy stupid and all their players stink.

KOQ to GS is a no brainer. We should be able to get their late #1 and maybe even a guy like Bell back

franco12 wrote:I can't believe anyone has actually called and asked about Lance Thomas, unless it was to say they would take him and our pick to move him off our roster!

Thomas would be a good fit in GS as well IMO. Easier for a glue guy to do his job there.

GustavBahler wrote:

franco12 wrote:I can't believe anyone has actually called and asked about Lance Thomas, unless it was to say they would take him and our pick to move him off our roster!

Thomas would be a good fit in GS as well IMO. Easier for a glue guy to do his job there.

We should be moving Kanter, as his game is the least valuable in the modern NBA. We should look to up Noah's value a bit by giving him 15 minutes a game to play with max energy and then try to trade him in the summer. If not, buy out options.

CLee I'm ok with moving, as is Lance. Neither will fit in longterm.

O'Quinn and Willy, I don't like moving. Willy is a fantastic teammate of KP's and KP is the lone star on the team. Willy still has loads of potential to improve. O'Quinn is in his prime right now. I'd be comfortable with Noah starting for 15 min a game, O'Quinn coming in off the bench and Willy as a third Center if need be. Get some value from Enes.

GustavBahler wrote:

franco12 wrote:I can't believe anyone has actually called and asked about Lance Thomas, unless it was to say they would take him and our pick to move him off our roster!

Thomas would be a good fit in GS as well IMO. Easier for a glue guy to do his job there.

Looking at their salary cap though the only deal I could see them making is KOQ for Zaza and a pick. They don't really have matching contracts for anything else. Unless they have a trade exception. They probably really want Willy since he makes 1.5 and has 2 yrs left and is 24? They would probably look to upgrade Zaza for KOQ but probably would only offer 2nds and not first.

nyknickzingis wrote:The fact that O'Quinn is a great fit in GST is exactly why we need to keep him.
He was one of Phil's best moves.
Drafting Willy was another good move.

We should be moving Kanter, as his game is the least valuable in the modern NBA. We should look to up Noah's value a bit by giving him 15 minutes a game to play with max energy and then try to trade him in the summer. If not, buy out options.

CLee I'm ok with moving, as is Lance. Neither will fit in longterm.

O'Quinn and Willy, I don't like moving. Willy is a fantastic teammate of KP's and KP is the lone star on the team. Willy still has loads of potential to improve. O'Quinn is in his prime right now. I'd be comfortable with Noah starting for 15 min a game, O'Quinn coming in off the bench and Willy as a third Center if need be. Get some value from Enes.

I'd start KOQ over Noah but I don't think it makes that much of a difference. I'm happy to let them, Willy, and even KP compete for minutes at the 5.

nyknickzingis wrote:The fact that O'Quinn is a great fit in GST is exactly why we need to keep him.
He was one of Phil's best moves.
Drafting Willy was another good move.

We should be moving Kanter, as his game is the least valuable in the modern NBA. We should look to up Noah's value a bit by giving him 15 minutes a game to play with max energy and then try to trade him in the summer. If not, buy out options.

CLee I'm ok with moving, as is Lance. Neither will fit in longterm.

O'Quinn and Willy, I don't like moving. Willy is a fantastic teammate of KP's and KP is the lone star on the team. Willy still has loads of potential to improve. O'Quinn is in his prime right now. I'd be comfortable with Noah starting for 15 min a game, O'Quinn coming in off the bench and Willy as a third Center if need be. Get some value from Enes.

We wouldn't even be sniffing the playoffs without Kanter's "least valuable" game. Clearly it still has value in this league. We need more value at PG, than anything.

Surely Hornacek wants to add talent at the deadline and continue to play for something in the final weeks of the season. He wants to show Perry and Mills that he is the right coach to lead under the Knicks' new management.

Will Hornacek have that chance, perhaps with another strong rotation player in the mix after Feb. 8, or will the Knicks trade a veteran or one of their extra centers for a young, unproven player or draft pick and hope for the best come June? We'll find out over the next two weeks.

Knicks better do something, missing the playoffs for a 4th straight season is not sending the right message to your only star player. They need to get Jeff some B- minus players that fit is program.

Some sacrifices are going to have to be made, the knicks need to look for fit, more than talent. We only have C+ talent on the roster to make trades with. You can't expect much when your coming to the table with KOQ and lance type players. we need some more personalities like THJ and Kanter

GustavBahler wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:The fact that O'Quinn is a great fit in GST is exactly why we need to keep him.
He was one of Phil's best moves.
Drafting Willy was another good move.

We should be moving Kanter, as his game is the least valuable in the modern NBA. We should look to up Noah's value a bit by giving him 15 minutes a game to play with max energy and then try to trade him in the summer. If not, buy out options.

CLee I'm ok with moving, as is Lance. Neither will fit in longterm.

O'Quinn and Willy, I don't like moving. Willy is a fantastic teammate of KP's and KP is the lone star on the team. Willy still has loads of potential to improve. O'Quinn is in his prime right now. I'd be comfortable with Noah starting for 15 min a game, O'Quinn coming in off the bench and Willy as a third Center if need be. Get some value from Enes.

We wouldn't even be sniffing the playoffs without Kanter's "least valuable" game. Clearly it still has value in this league. We need more value at PG, than anything.

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:The fact that O'Quinn is a great fit in GST is exactly why we need to keep him.
He was one of Phil's best moves.
Drafting Willy was another good move.

We should be moving Kanter, as his game is the least valuable in the modern NBA. We should look to up Noah's value a bit by giving him 15 minutes a game to play with max energy and then try to trade him in the summer. If not, buy out options.

CLee I'm ok with moving, as is Lance. Neither will fit in longterm.

O'Quinn and Willy, I don't like moving. Willy is a fantastic teammate of KP's and KP is the lone star on the team. Willy still has loads of potential to improve. O'Quinn is in his prime right now. I'd be comfortable with Noah starting for 15 min a game, O'Quinn coming in off the bench and Willy as a third Center if need be. Get some value from Enes.

We wouldn't even be sniffing the playoffs without Kanter's "least valuable" game. Clearly it still has value in this league. We need more value at PG, than anything.

except we get beat up whenever Kanter plays and we don't catch up until Hornacek puts KOQ in or moves KP to the 5.

I dont see us getting "beat up". I see our PGs having a hard time stopping people and Kanter having his hands full. Im not suggesting his defense is elite, but he's active, and he grabs a lot of boards on both ends of the court.

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

franco12 wrote:I can't believe anyone has actually called and asked about Lance Thomas, unless it was to say they would take him and our pick to move him off our roster!

Thomas would be a good fit in GS as well IMO. Easier for a glue guy to do his job there.

Looking at their salary cap though the only deal I could see them making is KOQ for Zaza and a pick. They don't really have matching contracts for anything else. Unless they have a trade exception. They probably really want Willy since he makes 1.5 and has 2 yrs left and is 24? They would probably look to upgrade Zaza for KOQ but probably would only offer 2nds and not first.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/cap/

The Warriors have no interest in Lance Thomas. His next two years would drive up their luxury tax. And into the repeater tax. He's not even going to make their rotation. There is zero reason for the Warriors to trade for a player who won't play for them, to drive up their repeater tax and give up an asset to do it.

The Warriors are not trading Pachulia. Not a chance. He fits their system, he had experience with their core roster. KOQ has not even proven he can start at the pivot. They are not going to ride Bell/McGee and hope it works out.

If, and it's a huge IF, the Warriors want KOQ, it would take Looney, Damian Jones and JaVale McGee to do it. That means the Knicks would need to cut two players just to make the trade work. At that point, it would be straight up, no picks.

Lance Thomas is only moving as a salary filler in a larger deal, with the Knicks taking back at least one bad contract to do it.

Warriors would be better off seeing who emerges as a buyout from another team, and seeing if they can get pivot help on a vet minimum deal from a veteran ring chaser. That KOQ had an Opt In/Opt Out next season is another complication for their cap.

It's not hard to fabricate "sources" for an article like this. Some reporter brings food from the spread set aside for the press in the press box to the kid who washes the towels in the Warriors locker room. "Do you think KOQ would be great on this team?" Kid is making 10 bucks an hour and just got 4 bags full of catered food instead of the his usual beans and Top Ramen dinner. "Sure, sure" Now the article as a "source close the Warriors organization"

Hilariously, IIRC, back in the day, someone did research and discovered a "source close to a MLB front office" was really a guy who delivered the dry cleaning. And some of this has to spin from KOQ's agent as well. Ever notice an interesting FA in MLB shows up and suddenly the "Yankees" and "Red Sox" have interest? To drive up the price?

TripleThreat wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

franco12 wrote:I can't believe anyone has actually called and asked about Lance Thomas, unless it was to say they would take him and our pick to move him off our roster!

Thomas would be a good fit in GS as well IMO. Easier for a glue guy to do his job there.

Looking at their salary cap though the only deal I could see them making is KOQ for Zaza and a pick. They don't really have matching contracts for anything else. Unless they have a trade exception. They probably really want Willy since he makes 1.5 and has 2 yrs left and is 24? They would probably look to upgrade Zaza for KOQ but probably would only offer 2nds and not first.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/cap/

The Warriors have no interest in Lance Thomas. His next two years would drive up their luxury tax. And into the repeater tax. He's not even going to make their rotation. There is zero reason for the Warriors to trade for a player who won't play for them, to drive up their repeater tax and give up an asset to do it.

The Warriors are not trading Pachulia. Not a chance. He fits their system, he had experience with their core roster. KOQ has not even proven he can start at the pivot. They are not going to ride Bell/McGee and hope it works out.

If, and it's a huge IF, the Warriors want KOQ, it would take Looney, Damian Jones and JaVale McGee to do it. That means the Knicks would need to cut two players just to make the trade work. At that point, it would be straight up, no picks.

Lance Thomas is only moving as a salary filler in a larger deal, with the Knicks taking back at least one bad contract to do it.

Warriors would be better off seeing who emerges as a buyout from another team, and seeing if they can get pivot help on a vet minimum deal from a veteran ring chaser. That KOQ had an Opt In/Opt Out next season is another complication for their cap.

It's not hard to fabricate "sources" for an article like this. Some reporter brings food from the spread set aside for the press in the press box to the kid who washes the towels in the Warriors locker room. "Do you think KOQ would be great on this team?" Kid is making 10 bucks an hour and just got 4 bags full of catered food instead of the his usual beans and Top Ramen dinner. "Sure, sure" Now the article as a "source close the Warriors organization"

Hilariously, IIRC, back in the day, someone did research and discovered a "source close to a MLB front office" was really a guy who delivered the dry cleaning. And some of this has to spin from KOQ's agent as well. Ever notice an interesting FA in MLB shows up and suddenly the "Yankees" and "Red Sox" have interest? To drive up the price?

Good points

TripleThreat wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

franco12 wrote:I can't believe anyone has actually called and asked about Lance Thomas, unless it was to say they would take him and our pick to move him off our roster!

Thomas would be a good fit in GS as well IMO. Easier for a glue guy to do his job there.

Looking at their salary cap though the only deal I could see them making is KOQ for Zaza and a pick. They don't really have matching contracts for anything else. Unless they have a trade exception. They probably really want Willy since he makes 1.5 and has 2 yrs left and is 24? They would probably look to upgrade Zaza for KOQ but probably would only offer 2nds and not first.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/cap/

The Warriors have no interest in Lance Thomas. His next two years would drive up their luxury tax. And into the repeater tax. He's not even going to make their rotation. There is zero reason for the Warriors to trade for a player who won't play for them, to drive up their repeater tax and give up an asset to do it.

The Warriors are not trading Pachulia. Not a chance. He fits their system, he had experience with their core roster. KOQ has not even proven he can start at the pivot. They are not going to ride Bell/McGee and hope it works out.

If, and it's a huge IF, the Warriors want KOQ, it would take Looney, Damian Jones and JaVale McGee to do it. That means the Knicks would need to cut two players just to make the trade work. At that point, it would be straight up, no picks.

Lance Thomas is only moving as a salary filler in a larger deal, with the Knicks taking back at least one bad contract to do it.

Warriors would be better off seeing who emerges as a buyout from another team, and seeing if they can get pivot help on a vet minimum deal from a veteran ring chaser. That KOQ had an Opt In/Opt Out next season is another complication for their cap.

It's not hard to fabricate "sources" for an article like this. Some reporter brings food from the spread set aside for the press in the press box to the kid who washes the towels in the Warriors locker room. "Do you think KOQ would be great on this team?" Kid is making 10 bucks an hour and just got 4 bags full of catered food instead of the his usual beans and Top Ramen dinner. "Sure, sure" Now the article as a "source close the Warriors organization"

Hilariously, IIRC, back in the day, someone did research and discovered a "source close to a MLB front office" was really a guy who delivered the dry cleaning. And some of this has to spin from KOQ's agent as well. Ever notice an interesting FA in MLB shows up and suddenly the "Yankees" and "Red Sox" have interest? To drive up the price?

Det could also really use KOQ

Golden state is championship ready, they still need more physicality and shot makers to throw out there in the playoffs.