Knicks · Mark Jackson maybe the coach for KP (page 1)
I think mark jackson is better at developing players..
32 wins will probably get jh fired, and were pacing towards that..That's not progress
SEASON TEAM GP GS MIN FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OR DR REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
'15-'16
NY
72 72 28.4 5.2-12.3 .421 1.1-3.4 .333 2.8-3.3 .838 1.8 5.5 7.3 1.3 1.9 0.7 2.8 1.7 14.3
'16-'17
NY
66 65 32.8 6.7-14.9 .450 1.7-4.8 .357 3.0-3.8 .786 1.7 5.5 7.2 1.5 2.0 0.7 3.7 1.8 18.1
'17-'18
NY
46 46 32.8 8.2-18.8 .436 1.9-4.8 .395 4.7-5.8 .808 1.3 5.4 6.7 1.2 2.3 0.7 3.0 2.0 23.0
aside from 3pt% and points (more touches) it's pretty much a flat line..
The person who I would like is Ettore Messina, assistant coach for the spurs. He would relate well with the many European players we have. He’s established a great reputation in Europe and is Pop’s top assistant with the spurs which says a lot.
His demeanor is such that players will respect. I’m sick of Hornachek getting disrespected by his own players.
Yes, he is young still, but I want the coach putting him in more places where he can succeed. This seems to be too much sink or swim.
franco12 wrote:I don't know where the blame lies, but what exactly is the front office doing at this point? There are a lot of numbers that don't point to growth.Yes, he is young still, but I want the coach putting him in more places where he can succeed. This seems to be too much sink or swim.
There are also a lot of numbers that point to KP's growth.
What are your expectations for a 3rd year guy who just became the focal point of the team?
martin wrote:franco12 wrote:I don't know where the blame lies, but what exactly is the front office doing at this point? There are a lot of numbers that don't point to growth.Yes, he is young still, but I want the coach putting him in more places where he can succeed. This seems to be too much sink or swim.
There are also a lot of numbers that point to KP's growth.
What are your expectations for a 3rd year guy who just became the focal point of the team?
he has too many games where he has shot poorly. He is rushing shots. Can't pass out of a double team. Too many bad shots.
Look - there was the article about how Porzingis' problem was he can shoot over people.
He is being left out there too long. He was tired earlier in the season - his words, not mine! And he probably still is tired.
He should be shooting at a higher percentage all across the board. He is simply too good a shooter- or, maybe he isn't?
I get that we're leaning on him more- but we also are supposed to have a team system.
Jeff has to put him in better situations and do something to develop his ability/willingness to pass out of the double teams he is now seeing. There is no excuse for KP not to be a better passer- he is 7'3" and should see over everyone.
Let me ask you- what was November? He looked unstoppable. What's happened since? Yea, teams adjusted. Where is our adjustment? And why haven't we seen that player again- even for an in game pf 10 minutes? Maybe I've missed that.
I don’t like the coaching carousel as much as the next guy but JH isn’t the answer going forward. I’m open to the idea of Mark Jackson but I really hope the Lakers can Walton that is my first choice.
Vmart wrote:The most telling static is KP shooting 42%. There is no way a 7’3 player should be shooting a measly 42%. I have been saying that JH isn’t putting KP in a position to succeed. After that fast start KP’s shooting doesn’t even reflect the 42%, it’s much worse than that.I don’t like the coaching carousel as much as the next guy but JH isn’t the answer going forward. I’m open to the idea of Mark Jackson but I really hope the Lakers can Walton that is my first choice.
I love Walton and the Lakers would be stupid to get rid of him. I think he has done well with getting them to perform.
BigDaddyG wrote:Judging from Mark's time with Curry, he's probably one of the last guys to take KP to another level offensively. His offenses we're bland and predictable. He relied mainly on heavy iso scheme featuring Curry, and teams were able to read it easily. I'm afraid Mark will come in and reinforce KP's bad habits.
There is a lot of truth in what you are saying. Mark Jackson always came from a post up offense and isolation offense. I would also consider Mike Brown.
franco12 wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:I don't know where the blame lies, but what exactly is the front office doing at this point? There are a lot of numbers that don't point to growth.Yes, he is young still, but I want the coach putting him in more places where he can succeed. This seems to be too much sink or swim.
There are also a lot of numbers that point to KP's growth.
What are your expectations for a 3rd year guy who just became the focal point of the team?
he has too many games where he has shot poorly. He is rushing shots. Can't pass out of a double team. Too many bad shots.
Look - there was the article about how Porzingis' problem was he can shoot over people.
He is being left out there too long. He was tired earlier in the season - his words, not mine! And he probably still is tired.
He should be shooting at a higher percentage all across the board. He is simply too good a shooter- or, maybe he isn't?
I get that we're leaning on him more- but we also are supposed to have a team system.
Jeff has to put him in better situations and do something to develop his ability/willingness to pass out of the double teams he is now seeing. There is no excuse for KP not to be a better passer- he is 7'3" and should see over everyone.
Let me ask you- what was November? He looked unstoppable. What's happened since? Yea, teams adjusted. Where is our adjustment? And why haven't we seen that player again- even for an in game pf 10 minutes? Maybe I've missed that.
BTW, just read an article last week where Kerr said the whole GSW team was tired. It happens.
In regards to your November question, KP was unstoppable, and for me that is KP's future. Teams have adjusted and KP and the Knicks as a whole have not, plan and simple. Teams know they can key off of and double KP.... and no one else on the Knicks can burn defenses when it is happening. Whether that is a team thing, a KP bad passing thing, a talent thing, a coaching thing, it's happening.
For me, that's part of the growth factor. Last year KP could not post guards, this year he eats them up and draws fouls (still far from perfect). This year he is seeing double teams and has lots and lots of trouble; next year it will get better. You have to see them first, adjust and practice adjusting to it as a player, a team and a coaching staff.
Welpee wrote:We need a Tom Thibodeau clone. Where we find one I have no idea. But I don't think Mark Jackson is that guy...UNLESS... there's a Tom Thibodeau-like assistant out there and we can duplicate the Doc Rivers/Tom Thibodeau dynamic.
Thibs fries his teams come playoff time.
Look closely to his teams in Chicago and look what happened. In Minny his players avg more min than other starters in the league.
WE have to deal with a reality that "Change" is not "Improvement" and a new coach might not be the answer. The desire for change is a natural one but lets not fool ourselves. Knicks are famous for making changes but in retrospect its a roster thing.
At least this time one of our problems is young players inexperience and inability to close out games. Does a new coach change that?
Doc Rivers best teams were those with established veterans. some coaches do well with vets, some do well with youth.
Mark Jax? His record was good but look closer and some things are mixed. He had personality clashes with coaches and management. Not sure it would be more than a starphuch hire thinking his Warrior run can be replicated. The magic of Steph Curry is not easily duplicated.
Nalod wrote:Tom also wins and has proven he can maximize talent. You can pick apart any coach other than a handful who are currently unavailable. You haven't offered an alternative option.Welpee wrote:We need a Tom Thibodeau clone. Where we find one I have no idea. But I don't think Mark Jackson is that guy...UNLESS... there's a Tom Thibodeau-like assistant out there and we can duplicate the Doc Rivers/Tom Thibodeau dynamic.Thibs fries his teams come playoff time.
Look closely to his teams in Chicago and look what happened. In Minny his players avg more min than other starters in the league.
WE have to deal with a reality that "Change" is not "Improvement" and a new coach might not be the answer. The desire for change is a natural one but lets not fool ourselves. Knicks are famous for making changes but in retrospect its a roster thing.
At least this time one of our problems is young players inexperience and inability to close out games. Does a new coach change that?
Doc Rivers best teams were those with established veterans. some coaches do well with vets, some do well with youth.
Mark Jax? His record was good but look closer and some things are mixed. He had personality clashes with coaches and management. Not sure it would be more than a starphuch hire thinking his Warrior run can be replicated. The magic of Steph Curry is not easily duplicated.
Welpee wrote:Nalod wrote:Tom also wins and has proven he can maximize talent. You can pick apart any coach other than a handful who are currently unavailable. You haven't offered an alternative option.Welpee wrote:We need a Tom Thibodeau clone. Where we find one I have no idea. But I don't think Mark Jackson is that guy...UNLESS... there's a Tom Thibodeau-like assistant out there and we can duplicate the Doc Rivers/Tom Thibodeau dynamic.Thibs fries his teams come playoff time.
Look closely to his teams in Chicago and look what happened. In Minny his players avg more min than other starters in the league.
WE have to deal with a reality that "Change" is not "Improvement" and a new coach might not be the answer. The desire for change is a natural one but lets not fool ourselves. Knicks are famous for making changes but in retrospect its a roster thing.
At least this time one of our problems is young players inexperience and inability to close out games. Does a new coach change that?
Doc Rivers best teams were those with established veterans. some coaches do well with vets, some do well with youth.
Mark Jax? His record was good but look closer and some things are mixed. He had personality clashes with coaches and management. Not sure it would be more than a starphuch hire thinking his Warrior run can be replicated. The magic of Steph Curry is not easily duplicated.
The alternate is to keep continuity and let the experience and growth come over time.
martin wrote:So keep Hornacek? How many years you want to give him to make this thing right?Welpee wrote:Nalod wrote:Tom also wins and has proven he can maximize talent. You can pick apart any coach other than a handful who are currently unavailable. You haven't offered an alternative option.Welpee wrote:We need a Tom Thibodeau clone. Where we find one I have no idea. But I don't think Mark Jackson is that guy...UNLESS... there's a Tom Thibodeau-like assistant out there and we can duplicate the Doc Rivers/Tom Thibodeau dynamic.Thibs fries his teams come playoff time.
Look closely to his teams in Chicago and look what happened. In Minny his players avg more min than other starters in the league.
WE have to deal with a reality that "Change" is not "Improvement" and a new coach might not be the answer. The desire for change is a natural one but lets not fool ourselves. Knicks are famous for making changes but in retrospect its a roster thing.
At least this time one of our problems is young players inexperience and inability to close out games. Does a new coach change that?
Doc Rivers best teams were those with established veterans. some coaches do well with vets, some do well with youth.
Mark Jax? His record was good but look closer and some things are mixed. He had personality clashes with coaches and management. Not sure it would be more than a starphuch hire thinking his Warrior run can be replicated. The magic of Steph Curry is not easily duplicated.The alternate is to keep continuity and let the experience and growth come over time.
Welpee wrote:Nalod wrote:Tom also wins and has proven he can maximize talent. You can pick apart any coach other than a handful who are currently unavailable. You haven't offered an alternative option.Welpee wrote:We need a Tom Thibodeau clone. Where we find one I have no idea. But I don't think Mark Jackson is that guy...UNLESS... there's a Tom Thibodeau-like assistant out there and we can duplicate the Doc Rivers/Tom Thibodeau dynamic.Thibs fries his teams come playoff time.
Look closely to his teams in Chicago and look what happened. In Minny his players avg more min than other starters in the league.
WE have to deal with a reality that "Change" is not "Improvement" and a new coach might not be the answer. The desire for change is a natural one but lets not fool ourselves. Knicks are famous for making changes but in retrospect its a roster thing.
At least this time one of our problems is young players inexperience and inability to close out games. Does a new coach change that?
Doc Rivers best teams were those with established veterans. some coaches do well with vets, some do well with youth.
Mark Jax? His record was good but look closer and some things are mixed. He had personality clashes with coaches and management. Not sure it would be more than a starphuch hire thinking his Warrior run can be replicated. The magic of Steph Curry is not easily duplicated.
That how it works? Pick a guy, give him a year and a half then be a "good fan" and come up with an alternative?
1st 30 games coach was like "Top 5 COY", now we fire him. Jeff was a good hire as he got a raw deal in PHX.
He is not Thibs. Thibs is a good coach. Not with this team. I want "The next Pop" just like everyone else.
Fans want a proven coach. Like Jax, but look at Jax and why he was let go.
We want Thibs, We just superimpose his past success and it will happen here?
Jarred Jack is our starter and a 19 year old his back up.
Hardaway did great, then he missed 20 games. Not really a viable back up.
We don't have a very good team. Didn't before season started either.
The Logjam at center: we have two guys that want to play. That's a good thing BTW. Gotta find a good deal. If not, do nothing.
WE just assume KOQ is worth a boatload but teams have waiver wire picks for free. Its a tough market out there. Picks are back in vogue again.
Its good we didn't sign Monroe. but we do have Noah.
No more retreads. We need a Brad Stevens/Brett Brown/Kenny Atkinson; not a Thibs/Hornacek/Mark Jackson
Welpee wrote:Kris Dunn might say differentlyNalod wrote:Tom also wins and has proven he can maximize talent. You can pick apart any coach other than a handful who are currently unavailable. You haven't offered an alternative option.Welpee wrote:We need a Tom Thibodeau clone. Where we find one I have no idea. But I don't think Mark Jackson is that guy...UNLESS... there's a Tom Thibodeau-like assistant out there and we can duplicate the Doc Rivers/Tom Thibodeau dynamic.Thibs fries his teams come playoff time.
Look closely to his teams in Chicago and look what happened. In Minny his players avg more min than other starters in the league.
WE have to deal with a reality that "Change" is not "Improvement" and a new coach might not be the answer. The desire for change is a natural one but lets not fool ourselves. Knicks are famous for making changes but in retrospect its a roster thing.
At least this time one of our problems is young players inexperience and inability to close out games. Does a new coach change that?
Doc Rivers best teams were those with established veterans. some coaches do well with vets, some do well with youth.
Mark Jax? His record was good but look closer and some things are mixed. He had personality clashes with coaches and management. Not sure it would be more than a starphuch hire thinking his Warrior run can be replicated. The magic of Steph Curry is not easily duplicated.
fishmike wrote:Won/loss record and Jimmy Butler might refute Dunn's thoughts.Welpee wrote:Kris Dunn might say differentlyNalod wrote:Tom also wins and has proven he can maximize talent. You can pick apart any coach other than a handful who are currently unavailable. You haven't offered an alternative option.Welpee wrote:We need a Tom Thibodeau clone. Where we find one I have no idea. But I don't think Mark Jackson is that guy...UNLESS... there's a Tom Thibodeau-like assistant out there and we can duplicate the Doc Rivers/Tom Thibodeau dynamic.Thibs fries his teams come playoff time.
Look closely to his teams in Chicago and look what happened. In Minny his players avg more min than other starters in the league.
WE have to deal with a reality that "Change" is not "Improvement" and a new coach might not be the answer. The desire for change is a natural one but lets not fool ourselves. Knicks are famous for making changes but in retrospect its a roster thing.
At least this time one of our problems is young players inexperience and inability to close out games. Does a new coach change that?
Doc Rivers best teams were those with established veterans. some coaches do well with vets, some do well with youth.
Mark Jax? His record was good but look closer and some things are mixed. He had personality clashes with coaches and management. Not sure it would be more than a starphuch hire thinking his Warrior run can be replicated. The magic of Steph Curry is not easily duplicated.