Knicks · Frank the Blank (page 21)
Its a New York thing.
I thought I read Frank has grown another inch. He might still have another to go according to the article. They can xray wrist plates.
What do we see? Frank hesitant or still programed to pass first. Funny we blast this kid for passing to much.
+/- nightly is pretty good. Last night he comes out of game and the lead goes away.
Since all teams regret not taking another AFTER it should be interesting to see the next few years.
Remember when we lamented heavy about Brandon Jennings when we passed on him? Think Denver regrets Mudiay? Do knicks fans think we are the only team ever to miss things?
Time does change how the draft should have played out.
As for Frank, I don't get why so many fans think they are qualified to make statements regarding what frank will or not be. Maybe Phil just drafted the player at the 8 that had the highest ceiling and he was planning to dump Melo and rebuild long term?
Its obvious Frank has all the tools for upside potential but was physically under developed. Its why some of us are just simply hopeful he can reach that potential and if it takes a few years so be it. We won't know for some time!!!!
Next year he could be 6-7 with an even bigger wingspan and he might be a "PG13/Pipen" Type player. Scotty Pip was no offensive juggernut his rookie year and he was a few years older for sure!
Frank is 19, that buys a lot of free passes in my book.
Kemet wrote:Frank Ntilikina reminds me so much of Trevor Ariza rookie season with the Knicks.
A 6.6 pass-first point forward who needs to work on outside scoring skills
Pretty good comparison. Reezy had great instincts on the ball. You could see he was not strong enough for the grind yet but did things in spurts that were indicative. Rookies are rarely consistent so you look for rays of sunshine.
Its easy to punch holes in these kids game and state "Im not convinced that"......
Well, of course your not convinced! Nobody is! We just fans rooting like hell looking for signs of hope.
Others look for signs of despair and point the negative energy at someone to blame.
Nalod wrote:Kemet wrote:Frank Ntilikina reminds me so much of Trevor Ariza rookie season with the Knicks.
A 6.6 pass-first point forward who needs to work on outside scoring skillsPretty good comparison. Reezy had great instincts on the ball. You could see he was not strong enough for the grind yet but did things in spurts that were indicative. Rookies are rarely consistent so you look for rays of sunshine.
Its easy to punch holes in these kids game and state "Im not convinced that"......
Well, of course your not convinced! Nobody is! We just fans rooting like hell looking for signs of hope.
Others look for signs of despair and point the negative energy at someone to blame.
Well hopefully Frank isn't delusional.
Knixkik wrote:Knicks allow 105 point per 100 possessions with frank on the floor, and 110 points per 100 possessions with him off the floor. Frank is literally a major impact player as a rookie. Forget about the basic stats. He's got big upside.
Yeahbba Dennis Smith Jr can score. So there.
Knixkik wrote:Knicks allow 105 point per 100 possessions with frank on the floor, and 110 points per 100 possessions with him off the floor. Frank is literally a major impact player as a rookie. Forget about the basic stats. He's got big upside.
Frank has been doing this with a weak teenage body!!! He’s going to fill out and get stronger. He’s much closer to being a consistent impact player than it often looked this year. He didn’t have the same amount of professional prep time before the season that the NCAA kids had. This summer could be much more beneficial to his growth.
meloshouldgo wrote:Knixkik wrote:Knicks allow 105 point per 100 possessions with frank on the floor, and 110 points per 100 possessions with him off the floor. Frank is literally a major impact player as a rookie. Forget about the basic stats. He's got big upside.Yeahbba Dennis Smith Jr can score. So there.
Exactly!!!
Of all of the advanced metrics stuff i have looked at, i can confidently say that Frank has had a better rookie year than Smith. There, i said it!!!
nixluva wrote:Knixkik wrote:Knicks allow 105 point per 100 possessions with frank on the floor, and 110 points per 100 possessions with him off the floor. Frank is literally a major impact player as a rookie. Forget about the basic stats. He's got big upside.Frank has been doing this with a weak teenage body!!! He’s going to fill out and get stronger. He’s much closer to being a consistent impact player than it often looked this year. He didn’t have the same amount of professional prep time before the season that the NCAA kids had. This summer could be much more beneficial to his growth.
I have been a Frank fan all season except for a few games where he seemed to regress or hit a wall
He has been playing better lately and his Offense is coming along well. He is showing that he not only belongs but WILL be a core player for this team in a year or two.
In general, I think the team has many good parts that can contribute to a good team next year especially when KP gets back.
I would love to see NY get Bridges from Villanova. I hope he will reach them. That type of player will get this team to the next level, which is the playoffs. Add a healthy KP and a more consistent PG situation and the team will be on the right track.
Frank is a key part of it and I am not sure if there is anyone I'd rather have from his draft class. Mitchell? Kuzma? Smith ? No. Ball? No - due to father mostly but player too.
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:nixluva wrote:Knixkik wrote:Knicks allow 105 point per 100 possessions with frank on the floor, and 110 points per 100 possessions with him off the floor. Frank is literally a major impact player as a rookie. Forget about the basic stats. He's got big upside.Frank has been doing this with a weak teenage body!!! He’s going to fill out and get stronger. He’s much closer to being a consistent impact player than it often looked this year. He didn’t have the same amount of professional prep time before the season that the NCAA kids had. This summer could be much more beneficial to his growth.
I have been a Frank fan all season except for a few games where he seemed to regress or hit a wall
He has been playing better lately and his Offense is coming along well. He is showing that he not only belongs but WILL be a core player for this team in a year or two.In general, I think the team has many good parts that can contribute to a good team next year especially when KP gets back.
I would love to see NY get Bridges from Villanova. I hope he will reach them. That type of player will get this team to the next level, which is the playoffs. Add a healthy KP and a more consistent PG situation and the team will be on the right track.
Frank is a key part of it and I am not sure if there is anyone I'd rather have from his draft class. Mitchell? Kuzma? Smith ? No. Ball? No - due to father mostly but player too.
Mitchell is a star, so i think most would prefer him. But no one else drafted behind Frank has proven to be a true impact player to this point. Frank's floor is elite role player i think.
Knixkik wrote:if his offense stinks he's not elite anything. Iggy is an elite role player. I have no worries about Frank's shooting eventually being serviceable at least. Remains to see if he's ever an impact scorer. Not saying he wont, just that we havent seen that yet.GoNyGoNyGo wrote:nixluva wrote:Knixkik wrote:Knicks allow 105 point per 100 possessions with frank on the floor, and 110 points per 100 possessions with him off the floor. Frank is literally a major impact player as a rookie. Forget about the basic stats. He's got big upside.Frank has been doing this with a weak teenage body!!! He’s going to fill out and get stronger. He’s much closer to being a consistent impact player than it often looked this year. He didn’t have the same amount of professional prep time before the season that the NCAA kids had. This summer could be much more beneficial to his growth.
I have been a Frank fan all season except for a few games where he seemed to regress or hit a wall
He has been playing better lately and his Offense is coming along well. He is showing that he not only belongs but WILL be a core player for this team in a year or two.In general, I think the team has many good parts that can contribute to a good team next year especially when KP gets back.
I would love to see NY get Bridges from Villanova. I hope he will reach them. That type of player will get this team to the next level, which is the playoffs. Add a healthy KP and a more consistent PG situation and the team will be on the right track.
Frank is a key part of it and I am not sure if there is anyone I'd rather have from his draft class. Mitchell? Kuzma? Smith ? No. Ball? No - due to father mostly but player too.
Mitchell is a star, so i think most would prefer him. But no one else drafted behind Frank has proven to be a true impact player to this point. Frank's floor is elite role player i think.
Worse case he's Andre Robertson. I think and hope he will be significantly better. Time will tell. Some weights and a year in the NBA under his belt should do wonders for his game. I expect a big step forward next year, but again.. time will tell.
fishmike wrote:Knixkik wrote:if his offense stinks he's not elite anything. Iggy is an elite role player. I have no worries about Frank's shooting eventually being serviceable at least. Remains to see if he's ever an impact scorer. Not saying he wont, just that we havent seen that yet.GoNyGoNyGo wrote:nixluva wrote:Knixkik wrote:Knicks allow 105 point per 100 possessions with frank on the floor, and 110 points per 100 possessions with him off the floor. Frank is literally a major impact player as a rookie. Forget about the basic stats. He's got big upside.Frank has been doing this with a weak teenage body!!! He’s going to fill out and get stronger. He’s much closer to being a consistent impact player than it often looked this year. He didn’t have the same amount of professional prep time before the season that the NCAA kids had. This summer could be much more beneficial to his growth.
I have been a Frank fan all season except for a few games where he seemed to regress or hit a wall
He has been playing better lately and his Offense is coming along well. He is showing that he not only belongs but WILL be a core player for this team in a year or two.In general, I think the team has many good parts that can contribute to a good team next year especially when KP gets back.
I would love to see NY get Bridges from Villanova. I hope he will reach them. That type of player will get this team to the next level, which is the playoffs. Add a healthy KP and a more consistent PG situation and the team will be on the right track.
Frank is a key part of it and I am not sure if there is anyone I'd rather have from his draft class. Mitchell? Kuzma? Smith ? No. Ball? No - due to father mostly but player too.
Mitchell is a star, so i think most would prefer him. But no one else drafted behind Frank has proven to be a true impact player to this point. Frank's floor is elite role player i think.
Worse case he's Andre Robertson. I think and hope he will be significantly better. Time will tell. Some weights and a year in the NBA under his belt should do wonders for his game. I expect a big step forward next year, but again.. time will tell.
I think he has Iggy potential. That is probably a fair goal in terms of impact. His latter years at least.
fishmike wrote:Knixkik wrote:if his offense stinks he's not elite anything. Iggy is an elite role player. I have no worries about Frank's shooting eventually being serviceable at least. Remains to see if he's ever an impact scorer. Not saying he wont, just that we havent seen that yet.GoNyGoNyGo wrote:nixluva wrote:Knixkik wrote:Knicks allow 105 point per 100 possessions with frank on the floor, and 110 points per 100 possessions with him off the floor. Frank is literally a major impact player as a rookie. Forget about the basic stats. He's got big upside.Frank has been doing this with a weak teenage body!!! He’s going to fill out and get stronger. He’s much closer to being a consistent impact player than it often looked this year. He didn’t have the same amount of professional prep time before the season that the NCAA kids had. This summer could be much more beneficial to his growth.
I have been a Frank fan all season except for a few games where he seemed to regress or hit a wall
He has been playing better lately and his Offense is coming along well. He is showing that he not only belongs but WILL be a core player for this team in a year or two.In general, I think the team has many good parts that can contribute to a good team next year especially when KP gets back.
I would love to see NY get Bridges from Villanova. I hope he will reach them. That type of player will get this team to the next level, which is the playoffs. Add a healthy KP and a more consistent PG situation and the team will be on the right track.
Frank is a key part of it and I am not sure if there is anyone I'd rather have from his draft class. Mitchell? Kuzma? Smith ? No. Ball? No - due to father mostly but player too.
Mitchell is a star, so i think most would prefer him. But no one else drafted behind Frank has proven to be a true impact player to this point. Frank's floor is elite role player i think.
Worse case he's Andre Robertson. I think and hope he will be significantly better. Time will tell. Some weights and a year in the NBA under his belt should do wonders for his game. I expect a big step forward next year, but again.. time will tell.
No one here questions whether Frank can be a rotation player. I've questioned his ability to play PG but I never thought he wouldnt be a useful piece. My problem is adding useful pieces like Andre Robertson for 30 wins seasons won't change the Knicks into playoff contenders. So why Frank is a solid piece in building a team where are we getting our engine, how do we get our Harden, Curry, or Westbrook, hell I will even take a Lillard or Wall. where are we getting the piece that pulls us out of the crap hole because the chances of getting that guy at 9 every year is a longshot. We blew our cap space on 6th man Tim Hardaway Jr., Porzingis will be offered a max deal this summer and he will take it because of the injury.In that respect we have dodged a bullet because I believe he was going to walk. However knowing full well his career projection at this point is 50/50 at best at returning he will grab the money. The Knicks have no choice they have to offer the deal. SO can we still offer a max deal to Kyrie in 2 offseasons? Is a team of say
Kyrie
Frank
Mikal Bridges
Porzingis
Next Year Lottery Pick
Burke
Hardaway
Is that team good enough to compete? Doesn't look that bad actually
Knixkik wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knixkik wrote:Knicks allow 105 point per 100 possessions with frank on the floor, and 110 points per 100 possessions with him off the floor. Frank is literally a major impact player as a rookie. Forget about the basic stats. He's got big upside.Yeahbba Dennis Smith Jr can score. So there.
Exactly!!!Of all of the advanced metrics stuff i have looked at, i can confidently say that Frank has had a better rookie year than Smith. There, i said it!!!
It's fairly obvious, except to people who think a PGs only role is to score because that's all they ever look at.
meloshouldgo wrote:Knixkik wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knixkik wrote:Knicks allow 105 point per 100 possessions with frank on the floor, and 110 points per 100 possessions with him off the floor. Frank is literally a major impact player as a rookie. Forget about the basic stats. He's got big upside.Yeahbba Dennis Smith Jr can score. So there.
Exactly!!!Of all of the advanced metrics stuff i have looked at, i can confidently say that Frank has had a better rookie year than Smith. There, i said it!!!
It's fairly obvious, except to people who think a PGs only role is to score because that's all they ever look at.
Don't make me bring back my Frank versus DSJr thread again!
knicks1248 wrote:another 2 point night shooting 16%. He looked better 71 games ago
Yea but his defense was top notch/elite... Jeff needs to make frank a bigger part of the offense he just missed his open looks tonight, wish he got the ball more frequently on O so he’s in the flow and not stiffly taking a few jumpers through out a long game, never in rhythm. Coach has to do a better job of getting him involved. He seems like a passive teenager.
fitzfarm wrote:knicks1248 wrote:another 2 point night shooting 16%. He looked better 71 games agoYea but his defense was top notch/elite... Jeff needs to make frank a bigger part of the offense he just missed his open looks tonight, wish he got the ball more frequently on O so he’s in the flow and not stiffly taking a few jumpers through out a long game, never in rhythm. Coach has to do a better job of getting him involved. He seems like a passive teenager.
Knicks1248 has been a troll about Frank for quite some time, and literally only cares about scoring averages. He ignores any metrics which show his value on the floor, because he's not scoring a ton of points. Don't even bother trying to point these things out to him. When he says he looked better 71 games ago, it shows he has no interest in his defensive ability or any other aspect of his game besides scoring and shooting percentages. Otherwise he would realize what a ridiculous statement he made. Such is life, can't please them all.
fitzfarm wrote:knicks1248 wrote:another 2 point night shooting 16%. He looked better 71 games agoYea but his defense was top notch/elite... Jeff needs to make frank a bigger part of the offense he just missed his open looks tonight, wish he got the ball more frequently on O so he’s in the flow and not stiffly taking a few jumpers through out a long game, never in rhythm. Coach has to do a better job of getting him involved. He seems like a passive teenager.
I'm so sick of reading posts like this....
Frank played like shit again but we're gonna talk about his "elite defense" and complain that Frank isn't more involved in the offense....
Frank is not the only player in the team! We are not catering to him.... as it is we're forcing him into minutes he doesn't deserve. So now we need to run plays specifically just to get him shots? Gtfoh!
I bet we're gonna say Mudiay was terrible tonight too right? That 11pt, 7 assist, 6 rebound might was terrible... but in the same 21 minutes Frank got 2pts 2 rebounds and 1 assist.... zero steals and blocks.... but Frank is elite right? Gtfoh!
Knixkik wrote:fitzfarm wrote:knicks1248 wrote:another 2 point night shooting 16%. He looked better 71 games agoYea but his defense was top notch/elite... Jeff needs to make frank a bigger part of the offense he just missed his open looks tonight, wish he got the ball more frequently on O so he’s in the flow and not stiffly taking a few jumpers through out a long game, never in rhythm. Coach has to do a better job of getting him involved. He seems like a passive teenager.
Knicks1248 has been a troll about Frank for quite some time, and literally only cares about scoring averages. He ignores any metrics which show his value on the floor, because he's not scoring a ton of points. Don't even bother trying to point these things out to him. When he says he looked better 71 games ago, it shows he has no interest in his defensive ability or any other aspect of his game besides scoring and shooting percentages. Otherwise he would realize what a ridiculous statement he made. Such is life, can't please them all.
zero blocks, zero steals, zero deflection, and just 2 points..if burke had those type #s you guys would be killing him, and perry for believing in him
Believe it or not I really like frank, just not on this team currently constructed.
I'm only interested in the end result, you can talk about his defense all day, if it doesn't result in a W, then what's the point. What's the point of making 20 stops, and missing 20 shots.
You can sit up there and criticize a player who only scores (like melo, like amare) I mean hammer them for poor defensive effort, and take a complete blind eye to another players horrendous offense.
It's like saying in 2004, no worries, melos defense will get better he's only 20. But did it ever get much better.
Put frank on the spurs/GSW/Portalnd/ and he fits perfect, not on a knick team that as unbalance as a broken scale.