Knicks · Frank the Blank (page 27)
when you contrast franks youtube goodness and consider this is him at this level you can see he does possess the physical ability and does execute.
Whats missing that contributes to his miserable Season long sample stats? CONSISTANCY.
This years rookie crop of guards is not setting the world on fire. Monk was the most discussed knick pick once DSM refused to eat octopus. Mitchell was the obvious hindsight choice and 14 other teams passed on him as well.
Frank earns his minutes on defense. He is coachable and proven more durable than originally thought. Kid is growing and we should be happy he has yet to lift a weight. His body has grown "organically" and has no known defects. DSM knee concerns are real. Not a rookie issue but his greatest asset is his explosiveness.
Nalod wrote:We are looking at college players youtube goodness vs. Franks real life games.
when you contrast franks youtube goodness and consider this is him at this level you can see he does possess the physical ability and does execute.
Whats missing that contributes to his miserable Season long sample stats? CONSISTANCY.
This years rookie crop of guards is not setting the world on fire. Monk was the most discussed knick pick once DSM refused to eat octopus. Mitchell was the obvious hindsight choice and 14 other teams passed on him as well.
Frank earns his minutes on defense. He is coachable and proven more durable than originally thought. Kid is growing and we should be happy he has yet to lift a weight. His body has grown "organically" and has no known defects. DSM knee concerns are real. Not a rookie issue but his greatest asset is his explosiveness.
I never seen a player talked about in this manner. We're really going to micro analyze this to the point now we're going to negate YouTube as not real... negate the play of college athletes coming in over the "real games" Frank plays in? We know Frank hasn't touched a weight? How doyou know that? His body grows organically? Did you really say that? No known "defects"? You check his DNA or something? Isn't Frank nursing a knee injury?
I mean you guys are on some other shit here... everyone gets bent out of shape cuz I used curse words on 2-3 posts but nobody is saying a thing about this garbage that's constantly being written here?
fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:why? What is disconcerting about it?fishmike wrote:EnySpree wrote:are you 100% right. He's not. Some teams shy away from these types. Too long to develop or they arent willing to let the player take their lumps. When you look at that last video I think you see why he needs to be up here and not in the G league. He does a lot right and the things he does wrong at the end of that video shows he just needs more reps.fishmike wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:because guys who can defend multiple positions, have PG skills and knock down shots from every where are the things that championship teams are made of. Draymond Green and Ben Wallace might have been late picks or not drafted at all, but if teams KNEW what they would become they would be top 5 picks in every draft. That is why you take a risk on guy who is not there yet, undeveloped, but has the potential to be there. That is worth taking a shot on. Those guys change the culture and direction of franchises. Taking a guy with that kind of potential is easy with the 8th pick especially considering what was behind him, Donovan Mitchell aside. Guys like Monk and Dennis Smith are easy to get. Trey Burke just dropped 42/12, he's 25 years old. I dont need to spend the 8th pick on a guy who's only idea of helping the team is trying to score harder and dunk harder.EnySpree wrote:nixluva wrote:JESUS CHRIST!!! We drafted Frank at an early stage of his development. If we had done that with Donovan Mitchell when he was 19 the same premature irrational comments would likely be made. Mitchell wasn't even Draft worthy at 19 and now at 21 he's a totally different guy. Let's just keep things in perspective. Frank came in as a project and we all knew it. There was no expectation that he was suddenly going to be a big scorer. His RAW talent made him worth the pick. The rest of the development will take some time.
Anyone REALLY watching can see Frank DOESN'T SUCK!!! He's only just getting started. There's a difference.
He doesn't.... but when guys keep trying to say he's better than he is today you have to call them out.
So when is the question..."Why draft an undeveloped 19 year old at an 8th pick" come into play? Just tired of this whole "He is 19" bullshit. Why would a smart organization pick such a question mark in the lottery? So if a team pucks a 16 year old (if they could) in high school, can they just keep telling their fan base that the reason he sucks is cuz he is still young and needs to develope?
The only time you pick someone that young and in a foreign system is if he is some kind of phenom. Frank is clearly not.There is a reason most of the mocks didnt have Frank falling past 12... those types of players have tremendous value and change teams. Frank isnt there yet but some teams are willing to wait and try to develop them. The Knicks didnt take a 19 year old to help us win games this year. He's taking his lumps. I dont know how much better he will be next year but a summer of weights and a summer league and a training camp and I am confident you will see a significant jump in everything. There is a reason the guys on the team love the kid
Frank developing in the firs future isn't in question though. I think every single fan thinks he can grow into a player with keeping.... he's just not that guy as of today.
Frank is a gym rat. He did a lot of good things this year to grow on. He showed a lot of holes he needs to grow on. He's got 70+ games at 20 minutes per at 19 years old under his belt. That is a huge amount of video and info for him and the trainers to work with. It would have been great if Frank busted out like Mitchell but it doesnt mean this was a lost season for him or the Knicks. This was painful to watch, but you have hit the gym... those early sessions are ugly. Nothing sexy about a fat dude working out... but before the abs and pecs come you gotta go through those ugly sessions and work it out. This was the perfect year to do so.I have no doubt that this is true, and at the same time its a little disconcerting that his offense still has a long way to go, even for a rookie. It could be from playing PG, and wearing too many hats.
As Ive said repeatedly, Frank needs to play against elite NBA talent this summer, work on his offense. I know he's young, but not so young for the Knicks to trade someone they didnt draft if he doesnt progress fast enough for mgmt's liking.
So little to show on offense in spite of living in the gym. The good things Frank has done have been almost entirely on D. Thats why Im saying that he should be playing competitively this summer. Work on offense without having to worry all that much about D. Practice is important, so is playing against the best and picking their brains. Hardaway played last summer in the Drew league, I believe. He's been much more aggressive going to the rim, this time around. Couldnt hurt for Frank to give it a try.
GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:why? What is disconcerting about it?fishmike wrote:EnySpree wrote:are you 100% right. He's not. Some teams shy away from these types. Too long to develop or they arent willing to let the player take their lumps. When you look at that last video I think you see why he needs to be up here and not in the G league. He does a lot right and the things he does wrong at the end of that video shows he just needs more reps.fishmike wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:because guys who can defend multiple positions, have PG skills and knock down shots from every where are the things that championship teams are made of. Draymond Green and Ben Wallace might have been late picks or not drafted at all, but if teams KNEW what they would become they would be top 5 picks in every draft. That is why you take a risk on guy who is not there yet, undeveloped, but has the potential to be there. That is worth taking a shot on. Those guys change the culture and direction of franchises. Taking a guy with that kind of potential is easy with the 8th pick especially considering what was behind him, Donovan Mitchell aside. Guys like Monk and Dennis Smith are easy to get. Trey Burke just dropped 42/12, he's 25 years old. I dont need to spend the 8th pick on a guy who's only idea of helping the team is trying to score harder and dunk harder.EnySpree wrote:nixluva wrote:JESUS CHRIST!!! We drafted Frank at an early stage of his development. If we had done that with Donovan Mitchell when he was 19 the same premature irrational comments would likely be made. Mitchell wasn't even Draft worthy at 19 and now at 21 he's a totally different guy. Let's just keep things in perspective. Frank came in as a project and we all knew it. There was no expectation that he was suddenly going to be a big scorer. His RAW talent made him worth the pick. The rest of the development will take some time.
Anyone REALLY watching can see Frank DOESN'T SUCK!!! He's only just getting started. There's a difference.
He doesn't.... but when guys keep trying to say he's better than he is today you have to call them out.
So when is the question..."Why draft an undeveloped 19 year old at an 8th pick" come into play? Just tired of this whole "He is 19" bullshit. Why would a smart organization pick such a question mark in the lottery? So if a team pucks a 16 year old (if they could) in high school, can they just keep telling their fan base that the reason he sucks is cuz he is still young and needs to develope?
The only time you pick someone that young and in a foreign system is if he is some kind of phenom. Frank is clearly not.There is a reason most of the mocks didnt have Frank falling past 12... those types of players have tremendous value and change teams. Frank isnt there yet but some teams are willing to wait and try to develop them. The Knicks didnt take a 19 year old to help us win games this year. He's taking his lumps. I dont know how much better he will be next year but a summer of weights and a summer league and a training camp and I am confident you will see a significant jump in everything. There is a reason the guys on the team love the kid
Frank developing in the firs future isn't in question though. I think every single fan thinks he can grow into a player with keeping.... he's just not that guy as of today.
Frank is a gym rat. He did a lot of good things this year to grow on. He showed a lot of holes he needs to grow on. He's got 70+ games at 20 minutes per at 19 years old under his belt. That is a huge amount of video and info for him and the trainers to work with. It would have been great if Frank busted out like Mitchell but it doesnt mean this was a lost season for him or the Knicks. This was painful to watch, but you have hit the gym... those early sessions are ugly. Nothing sexy about a fat dude working out... but before the abs and pecs come you gotta go through those ugly sessions and work it out. This was the perfect year to do so.I have no doubt that this is true, and at the same time its a little disconcerting that his offense still has a long way to go, even for a rookie. It could be from playing PG, and wearing too many hats.
As Ive said repeatedly, Frank needs to play against elite NBA talent this summer, work on his offense. I know he's young, but not so young for the Knicks to trade someone they didnt draft if he doesnt progress fast enough for mgmt's liking.
So little to show on offense in spite of living in the gym. The good things Frank has done have been almost entirely on D. Thats why Im saying that he should be playing competitively this summer. Work on offense without having to worry all that much about D. Practice is important, so is playing against the best and picking their brains. Hardaway played last summer in the Drew league, I believe. He's been much more aggressive going to the rim, this time around. Couldnt hurt for Frank to give it a try.
He's shown flashes. The form on the J is getting more solid, he's flashed a floater, that Euro step variation etc. The moves are on display. That's the part that gives you hope. He just needs to put it together. I mean the dude just had a 12 point first half. That is progress. Not sure about the Drew League. Defense and structure in those games are a joke.. Would like to see him do Summer League in Vegas tho.
BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:why? What is disconcerting about it?fishmike wrote:EnySpree wrote:are you 100% right. He's not. Some teams shy away from these types. Too long to develop or they arent willing to let the player take their lumps. When you look at that last video I think you see why he needs to be up here and not in the G league. He does a lot right and the things he does wrong at the end of that video shows he just needs more reps.fishmike wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:because guys who can defend multiple positions, have PG skills and knock down shots from every where are the things that championship teams are made of. Draymond Green and Ben Wallace might have been late picks or not drafted at all, but if teams KNEW what they would become they would be top 5 picks in every draft. That is why you take a risk on guy who is not there yet, undeveloped, but has the potential to be there. That is worth taking a shot on. Those guys change the culture and direction of franchises. Taking a guy with that kind of potential is easy with the 8th pick especially considering what was behind him, Donovan Mitchell aside. Guys like Monk and Dennis Smith are easy to get. Trey Burke just dropped 42/12, he's 25 years old. I dont need to spend the 8th pick on a guy who's only idea of helping the team is trying to score harder and dunk harder.EnySpree wrote:nixluva wrote:JESUS CHRIST!!! We drafted Frank at an early stage of his development. If we had done that with Donovan Mitchell when he was 19 the same premature irrational comments would likely be made. Mitchell wasn't even Draft worthy at 19 and now at 21 he's a totally different guy. Let's just keep things in perspective. Frank came in as a project and we all knew it. There was no expectation that he was suddenly going to be a big scorer. His RAW talent made him worth the pick. The rest of the development will take some time.
Anyone REALLY watching can see Frank DOESN'T SUCK!!! He's only just getting started. There's a difference.
He doesn't.... but when guys keep trying to say he's better than he is today you have to call them out.
So when is the question..."Why draft an undeveloped 19 year old at an 8th pick" come into play? Just tired of this whole "He is 19" bullshit. Why would a smart organization pick such a question mark in the lottery? So if a team pucks a 16 year old (if they could) in high school, can they just keep telling their fan base that the reason he sucks is cuz he is still young and needs to develope?
The only time you pick someone that young and in a foreign system is if he is some kind of phenom. Frank is clearly not.There is a reason most of the mocks didnt have Frank falling past 12... those types of players have tremendous value and change teams. Frank isnt there yet but some teams are willing to wait and try to develop them. The Knicks didnt take a 19 year old to help us win games this year. He's taking his lumps. I dont know how much better he will be next year but a summer of weights and a summer league and a training camp and I am confident you will see a significant jump in everything. There is a reason the guys on the team love the kid
Frank developing in the firs future isn't in question though. I think every single fan thinks he can grow into a player with keeping.... he's just not that guy as of today.
Frank is a gym rat. He did a lot of good things this year to grow on. He showed a lot of holes he needs to grow on. He's got 70+ games at 20 minutes per at 19 years old under his belt. That is a huge amount of video and info for him and the trainers to work with. It would have been great if Frank busted out like Mitchell but it doesnt mean this was a lost season for him or the Knicks. This was painful to watch, but you have hit the gym... those early sessions are ugly. Nothing sexy about a fat dude working out... but before the abs and pecs come you gotta go through those ugly sessions and work it out. This was the perfect year to do so.I have no doubt that this is true, and at the same time its a little disconcerting that his offense still has a long way to go, even for a rookie. It could be from playing PG, and wearing too many hats.
As Ive said repeatedly, Frank needs to play against elite NBA talent this summer, work on his offense. I know he's young, but not so young for the Knicks to trade someone they didnt draft if he doesnt progress fast enough for mgmt's liking.
So little to show on offense in spite of living in the gym. The good things Frank has done have been almost entirely on D. Thats why Im saying that he should be playing competitively this summer. Work on offense without having to worry all that much about D. Practice is important, so is playing against the best and picking their brains. Hardaway played last summer in the Drew league, I believe. He's been much more aggressive going to the rim, this time around. Couldnt hurt for Frank to give it a try.
He's shown flashes. The form on the J is getting more solid, he's flashed a floater, that Euro step variation etc. The moves are on display. That's the part that gives you hope. He just needs to put it together. I mean the dude just had a 12 point first half. That is progress. Not sure about the Drew League. Defense and structure in those games are a joke.. Would like to see him do Summer League in Vegas tho.
With 7 games left in the season, I believe my take is accurate. No D or rigid structure is just what Frank needs to feel comfortable enough to try things that might get him yelled at if he were in SL. The freedom to try anything that comes to mind without worrying about any repercussions. If Frank cant be aggressive in Drew league, he wont be in the NBA.
Frank can also talk to some of the better guards in the league and have them critique his game. I see it as a way to speed up the learning process.
EnySpree wrote:Nalod wrote:We are looking at college players youtube goodness vs. Franks real life games.
when you contrast franks youtube goodness and consider this is him at this level you can see he does possess the physical ability and does execute.
Whats missing that contributes to his miserable Season long sample stats? CONSISTANCY.
This years rookie crop of guards is not setting the world on fire. Monk was the most discussed knick pick once DSM refused to eat octopus. Mitchell was the obvious hindsight choice and 14 other teams passed on him as well.
Frank earns his minutes on defense. He is coachable and proven more durable than originally thought. Kid is growing and we should be happy he has yet to lift a weight. His body has grown "organically" and has no known defects. DSM knee concerns are real. Not a rookie issue but his greatest asset is his explosiveness.I never seen a player talked about in this manner. We're really going to micro analyze this to the point now we're going to negate YouTube as not real... negate the play of college athletes coming in over the "real games" Frank plays in? We know Frank hasn't touched a weight? How doyou know that? His body grows organically? Did you really say that? No known "defects"? You check his DNA or something? Isn't Frank nursing a knee injury?
I mean you guys are on some other shit here... everyone gets bent out of shape cuz I used curse words on 2-3 posts but nobody is saying a thing about this garbage that's constantly being written here?
You really naïve enough to not notice how influential Youtube highlights have on posters at times? We had KNicks1248 saying we should trade Frank for Trae young after his first round of games and highlight reels!!! Frank struggles as a real life NBA player vs. the emotion of a good youtube scouting report done by anyone with good editing skills and a good hip hop tune! Yeah, it makes an imprint.
Ever read a briggs thread? He watches a game, makes a "Discovery" then posts a youttube video (someone else "Discovered") then gushes out how this "Sleeper" should be our object of affection and we should trade down for multiple picks. Video matters to fans. Watched the 10min video highlights of Mikal This morning and was very impressed.
Defective DSM had ACL surgery and has had "Knee soreness" missing games this year! DEFECT. Its why he dropped in the draft. No?
"Organically grown"? Last year Simmons broke his foot stepping and missed his whole rookie season. He put on like 30lbs of muscle and broke his foot. Its not organic growth to grow so big that your damn foot freaking breaks at 19 years old and miss a season.
Frank is playing thru what ever banging up he is getting. From what I read Frank is still growing and has not weight trained. Guys that do it prematurely increases chronic problems. Everyone knows this.
Eny, your flat out cranky these days!! Your now micro analyzing our posts.
EnySpree wrote:Nalod wrote:We are looking at college players youtube goodness vs. Franks real life games.
when you contrast franks youtube goodness and consider this is him at this level you can see he does possess the physical ability and does execute.
Whats missing that contributes to his miserable Season long sample stats? CONSISTANCY.
This years rookie crop of guards is not setting the world on fire. Monk was the most discussed knick pick once DSM refused to eat octopus. Mitchell was the obvious hindsight choice and 14 other teams passed on him as well.
Frank earns his minutes on defense. He is coachable and proven more durable than originally thought. Kid is growing and we should be happy he has yet to lift a weight. His body has grown "organically" and has no known defects. DSM knee concerns are real. Not a rookie issue but his greatest asset is his explosiveness.I never seen a player talked about in this manner. We're really going to micro analyze this to the point now we're going to negate YouTube as not real... negate the play of college athletes coming in over the "real games" Frank plays in? We know Frank hasn't touched a weight? How doyou know that? His body grows organically? Did you really say that? No known "defects"? You check his DNA or something? Isn't Frank nursing a knee injury?
I mean you guys are on some other shit here... everyone gets bent out of shape cuz I used curse words on 2-3 posts but nobody is saying a thing about this garbage that's constantly being written here?
ok its garbage, feel better now?
i have done my fair share of criticism of frank, but he's at 19 vs 25 for Burke. The real question is whether Frank is going to be one the elite guards in the league at 22-23 and downright dominant on defense at 24-25.
The question for Burke more so is....can he make others better besides the center/forward he PNRs with on the floor. He seems more of a perennial bench player to me but Frank has the upside to be a true star. You always draft in the first round on potential.
GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:why? What is disconcerting about it?fishmike wrote:EnySpree wrote:are you 100% right. He's not. Some teams shy away from these types. Too long to develop or they arent willing to let the player take their lumps. When you look at that last video I think you see why he needs to be up here and not in the G league. He does a lot right and the things he does wrong at the end of that video shows he just needs more reps.fishmike wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:because guys who can defend multiple positions, have PG skills and knock down shots from every where are the things that championship teams are made of. Draymond Green and Ben Wallace might have been late picks or not drafted at all, but if teams KNEW what they would become they would be top 5 picks in every draft. That is why you take a risk on guy who is not there yet, undeveloped, but has the potential to be there. That is worth taking a shot on. Those guys change the culture and direction of franchises. Taking a guy with that kind of potential is easy with the 8th pick especially considering what was behind him, Donovan Mitchell aside. Guys like Monk and Dennis Smith are easy to get. Trey Burke just dropped 42/12, he's 25 years old. I dont need to spend the 8th pick on a guy who's only idea of helping the team is trying to score harder and dunk harder.EnySpree wrote:nixluva wrote:JESUS CHRIST!!! We drafted Frank at an early stage of his development. If we had done that with Donovan Mitchell when he was 19 the same premature irrational comments would likely be made. Mitchell wasn't even Draft worthy at 19 and now at 21 he's a totally different guy. Let's just keep things in perspective. Frank came in as a project and we all knew it. There was no expectation that he was suddenly going to be a big scorer. His RAW talent made him worth the pick. The rest of the development will take some time.
Anyone REALLY watching can see Frank DOESN'T SUCK!!! He's only just getting started. There's a difference.
He doesn't.... but when guys keep trying to say he's better than he is today you have to call them out.
So when is the question..."Why draft an undeveloped 19 year old at an 8th pick" come into play? Just tired of this whole "He is 19" bullshit. Why would a smart organization pick such a question mark in the lottery? So if a team pucks a 16 year old (if they could) in high school, can they just keep telling their fan base that the reason he sucks is cuz he is still young and needs to develope?
The only time you pick someone that young and in a foreign system is if he is some kind of phenom. Frank is clearly not.There is a reason most of the mocks didnt have Frank falling past 12... those types of players have tremendous value and change teams. Frank isnt there yet but some teams are willing to wait and try to develop them. The Knicks didnt take a 19 year old to help us win games this year. He's taking his lumps. I dont know how much better he will be next year but a summer of weights and a summer league and a training camp and I am confident you will see a significant jump in everything. There is a reason the guys on the team love the kid
Frank developing in the firs future isn't in question though. I think every single fan thinks he can grow into a player with keeping.... he's just not that guy as of today.
Frank is a gym rat. He did a lot of good things this year to grow on. He showed a lot of holes he needs to grow on. He's got 70+ games at 20 minutes per at 19 years old under his belt. That is a huge amount of video and info for him and the trainers to work with. It would have been great if Frank busted out like Mitchell but it doesnt mean this was a lost season for him or the Knicks. This was painful to watch, but you have hit the gym... those early sessions are ugly. Nothing sexy about a fat dude working out... but before the abs and pecs come you gotta go through those ugly sessions and work it out. This was the perfect year to do so.I have no doubt that this is true, and at the same time its a little disconcerting that his offense still has a long way to go, even for a rookie. It could be from playing PG, and wearing too many hats.
As Ive said repeatedly, Frank needs to play against elite NBA talent this summer, work on his offense. I know he's young, but not so young for the Knicks to trade someone they didnt draft if he doesnt progress fast enough for mgmt's liking.
So little to show on offense in spite of living in the gym. The good things Frank has done have been almost entirely on D. Thats why Im saying that he should be playing competitively this summer. Work on offense without having to worry all that much about D. Practice is important, so is playing against the best and picking their brains. Hardaway played last summer in the Drew league, I believe. He's been much more aggressive going to the rim, this time around. Couldnt hurt for Frank to give it a try.
He's shown flashes. The form on the J is getting more solid, he's flashed a floater, that Euro step variation etc. The moves are on display. That's the part that gives you hope. He just needs to put it together. I mean the dude just had a 12 point first half. That is progress. Not sure about the Drew League. Defense and structure in those games are a joke.. Would like to see him do Summer League in Vegas tho.With 7 games left in the season, I believe my take is accurate. No D or rigid structure is just what Frank needs to feel comfortable enough to try things that might get him yelled at if he were in SL. The freedom to try anything that comes to mind without worrying about any repercussions. If Frank cant be aggressive in Drew league, he wont be in the NBA.
Frank can also talk to some of the better guards in the league and have them critique his game. I see it as a way to speed up the learning process.
We're always going to disagree on this matter. The Drew League is a mess. Frank needs structure. I'd rather see him working out and improving with coaches and trainers. He can experiment in Brinkley's player scrimmages. More importantly, I think he needs Summer league to get better acclimated to speed of the game.
BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:why? What is disconcerting about it?fishmike wrote:EnySpree wrote:are you 100% right. He's not. Some teams shy away from these types. Too long to develop or they arent willing to let the player take their lumps. When you look at that last video I think you see why he needs to be up here and not in the G league. He does a lot right and the things he does wrong at the end of that video shows he just needs more reps.fishmike wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:because guys who can defend multiple positions, have PG skills and knock down shots from every where are the things that championship teams are made of. Draymond Green and Ben Wallace might have been late picks or not drafted at all, but if teams KNEW what they would become they would be top 5 picks in every draft. That is why you take a risk on guy who is not there yet, undeveloped, but has the potential to be there. That is worth taking a shot on. Those guys change the culture and direction of franchises. Taking a guy with that kind of potential is easy with the 8th pick especially considering what was behind him, Donovan Mitchell aside. Guys like Monk and Dennis Smith are easy to get. Trey Burke just dropped 42/12, he's 25 years old. I dont need to spend the 8th pick on a guy who's only idea of helping the team is trying to score harder and dunk harder.EnySpree wrote:nixluva wrote:JESUS CHRIST!!! We drafted Frank at an early stage of his development. If we had done that with Donovan Mitchell when he was 19 the same premature irrational comments would likely be made. Mitchell wasn't even Draft worthy at 19 and now at 21 he's a totally different guy. Let's just keep things in perspective. Frank came in as a project and we all knew it. There was no expectation that he was suddenly going to be a big scorer. His RAW talent made him worth the pick. The rest of the development will take some time.
Anyone REALLY watching can see Frank DOESN'T SUCK!!! He's only just getting started. There's a difference.
He doesn't.... but when guys keep trying to say he's better than he is today you have to call them out.
So when is the question..."Why draft an undeveloped 19 year old at an 8th pick" come into play? Just tired of this whole "He is 19" bullshit. Why would a smart organization pick such a question mark in the lottery? So if a team pucks a 16 year old (if they could) in high school, can they just keep telling their fan base that the reason he sucks is cuz he is still young and needs to develope?
The only time you pick someone that young and in a foreign system is if he is some kind of phenom. Frank is clearly not.There is a reason most of the mocks didnt have Frank falling past 12... those types of players have tremendous value and change teams. Frank isnt there yet but some teams are willing to wait and try to develop them. The Knicks didnt take a 19 year old to help us win games this year. He's taking his lumps. I dont know how much better he will be next year but a summer of weights and a summer league and a training camp and I am confident you will see a significant jump in everything. There is a reason the guys on the team love the kid
Frank developing in the firs future isn't in question though. I think every single fan thinks he can grow into a player with keeping.... he's just not that guy as of today.
Frank is a gym rat. He did a lot of good things this year to grow on. He showed a lot of holes he needs to grow on. He's got 70+ games at 20 minutes per at 19 years old under his belt. That is a huge amount of video and info for him and the trainers to work with. It would have been great if Frank busted out like Mitchell but it doesnt mean this was a lost season for him or the Knicks. This was painful to watch, but you have hit the gym... those early sessions are ugly. Nothing sexy about a fat dude working out... but before the abs and pecs come you gotta go through those ugly sessions and work it out. This was the perfect year to do so.I have no doubt that this is true, and at the same time its a little disconcerting that his offense still has a long way to go, even for a rookie. It could be from playing PG, and wearing too many hats.
As Ive said repeatedly, Frank needs to play against elite NBA talent this summer, work on his offense. I know he's young, but not so young for the Knicks to trade someone they didnt draft if he doesnt progress fast enough for mgmt's liking.
So little to show on offense in spite of living in the gym. The good things Frank has done have been almost entirely on D. Thats why Im saying that he should be playing competitively this summer. Work on offense without having to worry all that much about D. Practice is important, so is playing against the best and picking their brains. Hardaway played last summer in the Drew league, I believe. He's been much more aggressive going to the rim, this time around. Couldnt hurt for Frank to give it a try.
He's shown flashes. The form on the J is getting more solid, he's flashed a floater, that Euro step variation etc. The moves are on display. That's the part that gives you hope. He just needs to put it together. I mean the dude just had a 12 point first half. That is progress. Not sure about the Drew League. Defense and structure in those games are a joke.. Would like to see him do Summer League in Vegas tho.With 7 games left in the season, I believe my take is accurate. No D or rigid structure is just what Frank needs to feel comfortable enough to try things that might get him yelled at if he were in SL. The freedom to try anything that comes to mind without worrying about any repercussions. If Frank cant be aggressive in Drew league, he wont be in the NBA.
Frank can also talk to some of the better guards in the league and have them critique his game. I see it as a way to speed up the learning process.
We're always going to disagree on this matter. The Drew League is a mess. Frank needs structure. I'd rather see him working out and improving with coaches and trainers. He can experiment in Brinkley's player scrimmages. More importantly, I think he needs Summer league to get better acclimated to speed of the game.
I think summer league is good because its like mini camp for some, and rookie camp for others. Frank could have used it last year.
With 70 plus games does he really need to play is what is basically Gleague with the blue chip first rounders sprinkled in?
Might we be better off letting our rookies (Plural!!!!) and free agents get the benefit of this indoctrination than a guy that played 20-25 min in every game he was in against the real NBA?
Street leagues are a mess and great fun. Frank we know can play good NBA defense. Does he need to demonstrate anything in a street league? Some players with long contracts are cool with playing and get big respect for what they have done. Stars like Kobe and Durant won't get shown up much out of respect. Does frank really have to show lock down defense on a guy that won't be playing NBA type ball and is just trying to embarrass him? As for refining his offensive game, doing it in a street game he won't see real nba defense.
But, I agree he needs to work on some moves to create space, and feel the flow of freedom. If structured in closed workouts with other NBA players or aspiring where he can implement theses skills into instinct.
SO yes, I agree he needs to work on his offensive game, build fundamentals and implement but the platform he need do it on need not be in the public eye to satisfy me.
In fact, the only thing that matters would be the results next fall!
My feeling is he will play summer league and Knicks will make it a very structured event for the team with that special "Craig Robinson special sauce" process.
Nalod wrote:We are looking at college players youtube goodness vs. Franks real life games.
when you contrast franks youtube goodness and consider this is him at this level you can see he does possess the physical ability and does execute.
Whats missing that contributes to his miserable Season long sample stats? CONSISTANCY.
This years rookie crop of guards is not setting the world on fire. Monk was the most discussed knick pick once DSM refused to eat octopus. Mitchell was the obvious hindsight choice and 14 other teams passed on him as well.
Frank earns his minutes on defense. He is coachable and proven more durable than originally thought. Kid is growing and we should be happy he has yet to lift a weight. His body has grown "organically" and has no known defects. DSM knee concerns are real. Not a rookie issue but his greatest asset is his explosiveness.
Some of us watch real life/ live College BB and dont have to rely on youtube vids...In real life, Brunson, Sexton and Trey Young have a more advanced offensive game than Frank has at this point and its really not that close. Can Frank improve? Of course....But so can those guys and any other 19 or 20yr old in the league. Ultimately, Frank is behind in his offensive development compared some of the potential lotto picks who play elite pg/Lead guards entering the league last yr and this.
Nalod wrote:
I think summer league is good because its like mini camp for some, and rookie camp for others. Frank could have used it last year.
With 70 plus games does he really need to play is what is basically Gleague with the blue chip first rounders sprinkled in?
In most cases...probably not. But I'm not sure Jeff will be here next season. The potential for the lack of continuity going into next season might necessitate the need for an extended training camp. Plus, Frank does have a lot to work on. Playing against a G-League vet in a structured environment is better than playing Joe Blow, the third leading scorer on his DII team, in some west coast street ball league.
Uptown wrote:Nalod wrote:We are looking at college players youtube goodness vs. Franks real life games.
when you contrast franks youtube goodness and consider this is him at this level you can see he does possess the physical ability and does execute.
Whats missing that contributes to his miserable Season long sample stats? CONSISTANCY.
This years rookie crop of guards is not setting the world on fire. Monk was the most discussed knick pick once DSM refused to eat octopus. Mitchell was the obvious hindsight choice and 14 other teams passed on him as well.
Frank earns his minutes on defense. He is coachable and proven more durable than originally thought. Kid is growing and we should be happy he has yet to lift a weight. His body has grown "organically" and has no known defects. DSM knee concerns are real. Not a rookie issue but his greatest asset is his explosiveness.
Some of us watch real life/ live College BB and dont have to rely on youtube vids...In real life, Brunson, Sexton and Try Burkes have a more advanced offensive game than Frank has at this point and its really not that close. Can Frank improve? Of course....But so can those guys and any other 19 or 20yr old in the league. Ultimately, Frank is behind in his offensive development compared some of the potential looto picks who play elite pg/Lead guards entering the league last yr and this.
I agree with your points and no doubt frank is not as advanced on offense. But he is on defense and that's 50% of the game. Lets be honest, we don't see too many "D" youtube highlight reels do we? Brunson is three years older, as is Bridges. I'd be happy with either or both. Thought I saw Brunson mock draft in the second round?
He is very polished and would love to have him!
My point is to just demonstrate that frank is not "garbage" and we tend to glorify the highlight reel as we are impressionable. I am not different. I doubt I watch as much college hoop as you and not pretending to be all knowing. I just know even the march madness hype pulls kids up in the mocks because of the hype.
The vetting system is far from perfect which makes it fun. Its easy to say I want "Monk, DSM and Mitchell" and they hype in the aftermath " I really wanted Mitchell"!
Statistically easy to "Be right".
Frank would be a freshman this season in College. That's why he gets some free passes.
BigDaddyG wrote:Nalod wrote:
I think summer league is good because its like mini camp for some, and rookie camp for others. Frank could have used it last year.
With 70 plus games does he really need to play is what is basically Gleague with the blue chip first rounders sprinkled in?
In most cases...probably not. But I'm not sure Jeff will be here next season. The potential for the lack of continuity going into next season might necessitate the need for an extended training camp. Plus, Frank does have a lot to work on. Playing against a G-League vet in a structured environment is better than playing Joe Blow, the third leading scorer on his DII team, in some west coast street ball league.
I did finish that I thought he'd play in summer league and yes, if there is a new coach things to implement.
Unfortunately he will have had plenty of time to work on his game because no playoffs, but he should have some stuff to try out in summer league.
Nalod wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Nalod wrote:
I think summer league is good because its like mini camp for some, and rookie camp for others. Frank could have used it last year.
With 70 plus games does he really need to play is what is basically Gleague with the blue chip first rounders sprinkled in?
In most cases...probably not. But I'm not sure Jeff will be here next season. The potential for the lack of continuity going into next season might necessitate the need for an extended training camp. Plus, Frank does have a lot to work on. Playing against a G-League vet in a structured environment is better than playing Joe Blow, the third leading scorer on his DII team, in some west coast street ball league.I did finish that I thought he'd play in summer league and yes, if there is a new coach things to implement.
Unfortunately he will have had plenty of time to work on his game because no playoffs, but he should have some stuff to try out in summer league.
I know. Just wanted throw in my thoughts on a potential coaching change and how will effect things. Also wanted to whittle the post length down.
BigDaddyG wrote:Nalod wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Nalod wrote:
I think summer league is good because its like mini camp for some, and rookie camp for others. Frank could have used it last year.
With 70 plus games does he really need to play is what is basically Gleague with the blue chip first rounders sprinkled in?
In most cases...probably not. But I'm not sure Jeff will be here next season. The potential for the lack of continuity going into next season might necessitate the need for an extended training camp. Plus, Frank does have a lot to work on. Playing against a G-League vet in a structured environment is better than playing Joe Blow, the third leading scorer on his DII team, in some west coast street ball league.I did finish that I thought he'd play in summer league and yes, if there is a new coach things to implement.
Unfortunately he will have had plenty of time to work on his game because no playoffs, but he should have some stuff to try out in summer league.I know. Just wanted throw in my thoughts on a potential coaching change and how will effect things. Also wanted to whittle the post length down.
I need a coaching change on that!!!
Nalod wrote:Uptown wrote:Nalod wrote:We are looking at college players youtube goodness vs. Franks real life games.
when you contrast franks youtube goodness and consider this is him at this level you can see he does possess the physical ability and does execute.
Whats missing that contributes to his miserable Season long sample stats? CONSISTANCY.
This years rookie crop of guards is not setting the world on fire. Monk was the most discussed knick pick once DSM refused to eat octopus. Mitchell was the obvious hindsight choice and 14 other teams passed on him as well.
Frank earns his minutes on defense. He is coachable and proven more durable than originally thought. Kid is growing and we should be happy he has yet to lift a weight. His body has grown "organically" and has no known defects. DSM knee concerns are real. Not a rookie issue but his greatest asset is his explosiveness.
Some of us watch real life/ live College BB and dont have to rely on youtube vids...In real life, Brunson, Sexton and Try Burkes have a more advanced offensive game than Frank has at this point and its really not that close. Can Frank improve? Of course....But so can those guys and any other 19 or 20yr old in the league. Ultimately, Frank is behind in his offensive development compared some of the potential looto picks who play elite pg/Lead guards entering the league last yr and this.I agree with your points and no doubt frank is not as advanced on offense. But he is on defense and that's 50% of the game. Lets be honest, we don't see too many "D" youtube highlight reels do we? Brunson is three years older, as is Bridges. I'd be happy with either or both. Thought I saw Brunson mock draft in the second round?
He is very polished and would love to have him!
My point is to just demonstrate that frank is not "garbage" and we tend to glorify the highlight reel as we are impressionable. I am not different. I doubt I watch as much college hoop as you and not pretending to be all knowing. I just know even the march madness hype pulls kids up in the mocks because of the hype.
The vetting system is far from perfect which makes it fun. Its easy to say I want "Monk, DSM and Mitchell" and they hype in the aftermath " I really wanted Mitchell"!
Statistically easy to "Be right".
Frank would be a freshman this season in College. That's why he gets some free passes.
Exactly, Frank would be a college freshman right now in the US. I think he would look very comparable to SGA from kentucky this season. Better defensively, but similar in terms of scoring. SGA somewhat let the game come to him, and played a calculated and controlled game instead of trying to create a ton off the dribble. Frank's efficiency would be greater in college, as it was high last year in France, a more dominant league than college. Very few guards in college match his physical profile, so he would look good. Obviously the NBA is a major jump. Brunson is dominant, and would probably struggle to be more than a quality backup PG in the NBA. Frank has a long way to go simply because the NBA is such a huge jump, but he has shown capabilities that at least make future encouraging.
BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:why? What is disconcerting about it?fishmike wrote:EnySpree wrote:are you 100% right. He's not. Some teams shy away from these types. Too long to develop or they arent willing to let the player take their lumps. When you look at that last video I think you see why he needs to be up here and not in the G league. He does a lot right and the things he does wrong at the end of that video shows he just needs more reps.fishmike wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:because guys who can defend multiple positions, have PG skills and knock down shots from every where are the things that championship teams are made of. Draymond Green and Ben Wallace might have been late picks or not drafted at all, but if teams KNEW what they would become they would be top 5 picks in every draft. That is why you take a risk on guy who is not there yet, undeveloped, but has the potential to be there. That is worth taking a shot on. Those guys change the culture and direction of franchises. Taking a guy with that kind of potential is easy with the 8th pick especially considering what was behind him, Donovan Mitchell aside. Guys like Monk and Dennis Smith are easy to get. Trey Burke just dropped 42/12, he's 25 years old. I dont need to spend the 8th pick on a guy who's only idea of helping the team is trying to score harder and dunk harder.EnySpree wrote:nixluva wrote:JESUS CHRIST!!! We drafted Frank at an early stage of his development. If we had done that with Donovan Mitchell when he was 19 the same premature irrational comments would likely be made. Mitchell wasn't even Draft worthy at 19 and now at 21 he's a totally different guy. Let's just keep things in perspective. Frank came in as a project and we all knew it. There was no expectation that he was suddenly going to be a big scorer. His RAW talent made him worth the pick. The rest of the development will take some time.
Anyone REALLY watching can see Frank DOESN'T SUCK!!! He's only just getting started. There's a difference.
He doesn't.... but when guys keep trying to say he's better than he is today you have to call them out.
So when is the question..."Why draft an undeveloped 19 year old at an 8th pick" come into play? Just tired of this whole "He is 19" bullshit. Why would a smart organization pick such a question mark in the lottery? So if a team pucks a 16 year old (if they could) in high school, can they just keep telling their fan base that the reason he sucks is cuz he is still young and needs to develope?
The only time you pick someone that young and in a foreign system is if he is some kind of phenom. Frank is clearly not.There is a reason most of the mocks didnt have Frank falling past 12... those types of players have tremendous value and change teams. Frank isnt there yet but some teams are willing to wait and try to develop them. The Knicks didnt take a 19 year old to help us win games this year. He's taking his lumps. I dont know how much better he will be next year but a summer of weights and a summer league and a training camp and I am confident you will see a significant jump in everything. There is a reason the guys on the team love the kid
Frank developing in the firs future isn't in question though. I think every single fan thinks he can grow into a player with keeping.... he's just not that guy as of today.
Frank is a gym rat. He did a lot of good things this year to grow on. He showed a lot of holes he needs to grow on. He's got 70+ games at 20 minutes per at 19 years old under his belt. That is a huge amount of video and info for him and the trainers to work with. It would have been great if Frank busted out like Mitchell but it doesnt mean this was a lost season for him or the Knicks. This was painful to watch, but you have hit the gym... those early sessions are ugly. Nothing sexy about a fat dude working out... but before the abs and pecs come you gotta go through those ugly sessions and work it out. This was the perfect year to do so.I have no doubt that this is true, and at the same time its a little disconcerting that his offense still has a long way to go, even for a rookie. It could be from playing PG, and wearing too many hats.
As Ive said repeatedly, Frank needs to play against elite NBA talent this summer, work on his offense. I know he's young, but not so young for the Knicks to trade someone they didnt draft if he doesnt progress fast enough for mgmt's liking.
So little to show on offense in spite of living in the gym. The good things Frank has done have been almost entirely on D. Thats why Im saying that he should be playing competitively this summer. Work on offense without having to worry all that much about D. Practice is important, so is playing against the best and picking their brains. Hardaway played last summer in the Drew league, I believe. He's been much more aggressive going to the rim, this time around. Couldnt hurt for Frank to give it a try.
He's shown flashes. The form on the J is getting more solid, he's flashed a floater, that Euro step variation etc. The moves are on display. That's the part that gives you hope. He just needs to put it together. I mean the dude just had a 12 point first half. That is progress. Not sure about the Drew League. Defense and structure in those games are a joke.. Would like to see him do Summer League in Vegas tho.
Doesn't all this suggest he should be in the g- league? Xavier Rathan-Mayes Been there all year and got called up to Memphis... played well... actually better than Frank has here... then gets called back to Westchester
Nalod wrote:EnySpree wrote:Nalod wrote:We are looking at college players youtube goodness vs. Franks real life games.
when you contrast franks youtube goodness and consider this is him at this level you can see he does possess the physical ability and does execute.
Whats missing that contributes to his miserable Season long sample stats? CONSISTANCY.
This years rookie crop of guards is not setting the world on fire. Monk was the most discussed knick pick once DSM refused to eat octopus. Mitchell was the obvious hindsight choice and 14 other teams passed on him as well.
Frank earns his minutes on defense. He is coachable and proven more durable than originally thought. Kid is growing and we should be happy he has yet to lift a weight. His body has grown "organically" and has no known defects. DSM knee concerns are real. Not a rookie issue but his greatest asset is his explosiveness.I never seen a player talked about in this manner. We're really going to micro analyze this to the point now we're going to negate YouTube as not real... negate the play of college athletes coming in over the "real games" Frank plays in? We know Frank hasn't touched a weight? How doyou know that? His body grows organically? Did you really say that? No known "defects"? You check his DNA or something? Isn't Frank nursing a knee injury?
I mean you guys are on some other shit here... everyone gets bent out of shape cuz I used curse words on 2-3 posts but nobody is saying a thing about this garbage that's constantly being written here?
You really naïve enough to not notice how influential Youtube highlights have on posters at times? We had KNicks1248 saying we should trade Frank for Trae young after his first round of games and highlight reels!!! Frank struggles as a real life NBA player vs. the emotion of a good youtube scouting report done by anyone with good editing skills and a good hip hop tune! Yeah, it makes an imprint.
Ever read a briggs thread? He watches a game, makes a "Discovery" then posts a youttube video (someone else "Discovered") then gushes out how this "Sleeper" should be our object of affection and we should trade down for multiple picks. Video matters to fans. Watched the 10min video highlights of Mikal This morning and was very impressed.
Defective DSM had ACL surgery and has had "Knee soreness" missing games this year! DEFECT. Its why he dropped in the draft. No?
"Organically grown"? Last year Simmons broke his foot stepping and missed his whole rookie season. He put on like 30lbs of muscle and broke his foot. Its not organic growth to grow so big that your damn foot freaking breaks at 19 years old and miss a season.
Frank is playing thru what ever banging up he is getting. From what I read Frank is still growing and has not weight trained. Guys that do it prematurely increases chronic problems. Everyone knows this.
Eny, your flat out cranky these days!! Your now micro analyzing our posts.
You guys assume we get our information strictly from YouTube. Briggs watches alot of games. He's not just watching YouTube highlights. Don't disrespect Briggs just to prove your stupid Frank narrative. I watch a ton of basketball too. You guys gonna tell me i dunno what I'm looking at or don't know how to analyze a player's defensive impact and calling means stat guy. That's derogatory statements because that's far from the truth.... guys want to say "you want a medal" because i been posting here for 15 years. I have 15 years of history to look back on. I have been extremely consistent in the way i review players. Frank is really not worth the fight but you guys arethe one over analyzing him coming up with all this bullshit to run your narrative. Gtfoh....
EnySpree wrote:Doesn't all this suggest he should be in the g- league? Xavier Rathan-Mayes Been there all year and got called up to Memphis... played well... actually better than Frank has here... then gets called back to Westchester
Really?
BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:why? What is disconcerting about it?fishmike wrote:EnySpree wrote:are you 100% right. He's not. Some teams shy away from these types. Too long to develop or they arent willing to let the player take their lumps. When you look at that last video I think you see why he needs to be up here and not in the G league. He does a lot right and the things he does wrong at the end of that video shows he just needs more reps.fishmike wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:because guys who can defend multiple positions, have PG skills and knock down shots from every where are the things that championship teams are made of. Draymond Green and Ben Wallace might have been late picks or not drafted at all, but if teams KNEW what they would become they would be top 5 picks in every draft. That is why you take a risk on guy who is not there yet, undeveloped, but has the potential to be there. That is worth taking a shot on. Those guys change the culture and direction of franchises. Taking a guy with that kind of potential is easy with the 8th pick especially considering what was behind him, Donovan Mitchell aside. Guys like Monk and Dennis Smith are easy to get. Trey Burke just dropped 42/12, he's 25 years old. I dont need to spend the 8th pick on a guy who's only idea of helping the team is trying to score harder and dunk harder.EnySpree wrote:nixluva wrote:JESUS CHRIST!!! We drafted Frank at an early stage of his development. If we had done that with Donovan Mitchell when he was 19 the same premature irrational comments would likely be made. Mitchell wasn't even Draft worthy at 19 and now at 21 he's a totally different guy. Let's just keep things in perspective. Frank came in as a project and we all knew it. There was no expectation that he was suddenly going to be a big scorer. His RAW talent made him worth the pick. The rest of the development will take some time.
Anyone REALLY watching can see Frank DOESN'T SUCK!!! He's only just getting started. There's a difference.
He doesn't.... but when guys keep trying to say he's better than he is today you have to call them out.
So when is the question..."Why draft an undeveloped 19 year old at an 8th pick" come into play? Just tired of this whole "He is 19" bullshit. Why would a smart organization pick such a question mark in the lottery? So if a team pucks a 16 year old (if they could) in high school, can they just keep telling their fan base that the reason he sucks is cuz he is still young and needs to develope?
The only time you pick someone that young and in a foreign system is if he is some kind of phenom. Frank is clearly not.There is a reason most of the mocks didnt have Frank falling past 12... those types of players have tremendous value and change teams. Frank isnt there yet but some teams are willing to wait and try to develop them. The Knicks didnt take a 19 year old to help us win games this year. He's taking his lumps. I dont know how much better he will be next year but a summer of weights and a summer league and a training camp and I am confident you will see a significant jump in everything. There is a reason the guys on the team love the kid
Frank developing in the firs future isn't in question though. I think every single fan thinks he can grow into a player with keeping.... he's just not that guy as of today.
Frank is a gym rat. He did a lot of good things this year to grow on. He showed a lot of holes he needs to grow on. He's got 70+ games at 20 minutes per at 19 years old under his belt. That is a huge amount of video and info for him and the trainers to work with. It would have been great if Frank busted out like Mitchell but it doesnt mean this was a lost season for him or the Knicks. This was painful to watch, but you have hit the gym... those early sessions are ugly. Nothing sexy about a fat dude working out... but before the abs and pecs come you gotta go through those ugly sessions and work it out. This was the perfect year to do so.I have no doubt that this is true, and at the same time its a little disconcerting that his offense still has a long way to go, even for a rookie. It could be from playing PG, and wearing too many hats.
As Ive said repeatedly, Frank needs to play against elite NBA talent this summer, work on his offense. I know he's young, but not so young for the Knicks to trade someone they didnt draft if he doesnt progress fast enough for mgmt's liking.
So little to show on offense in spite of living in the gym. The good things Frank has done have been almost entirely on D. Thats why Im saying that he should be playing competitively this summer. Work on offense without having to worry all that much about D. Practice is important, so is playing against the best and picking their brains. Hardaway played last summer in the Drew league, I believe. He's been much more aggressive going to the rim, this time around. Couldnt hurt for Frank to give it a try.
He's shown flashes. The form on the J is getting more solid, he's flashed a floater, that Euro step variation etc. The moves are on display. That's the part that gives you hope. He just needs to put it together. I mean the dude just had a 12 point first half. That is progress. Not sure about the Drew League. Defense and structure in those games are a joke.. Would like to see him do Summer League in Vegas tho.With 7 games left in the season, I believe my take is accurate. No D or rigid structure is just what Frank needs to feel comfortable enough to try things that might get him yelled at if he were in SL. The freedom to try anything that comes to mind without worrying about any repercussions. If Frank cant be aggressive in Drew league, he wont be in the NBA.
Frank can also talk to some of the better guards in the league and have them critique his game. I see it as a way to speed up the learning process.
We're always going to disagree on this matter. The Drew League is a mess. Frank needs structure. I'd rather see him working out and improving with coaches and trainers. He can experiment in Brinkley's player scrimmages. More importantly, I think he needs Summer league to get better acclimated to speed of the game.
Why do you believe that elite players, among other NBA ballers, who have access to the best facilities, trainers, keep coming back? They could get hurt. I really doubt its just to be seen.
Uptown wrote:Nalod wrote:We are looking at college players youtube goodness vs. Franks real life games.
when you contrast franks youtube goodness and consider this is him at this level you can see he does possess the physical ability and does execute.
Whats missing that contributes to his miserable Season long sample stats? CONSISTANCY.
This years rookie crop of guards is not setting the world on fire. Monk was the most discussed knick pick once DSM refused to eat octopus. Mitchell was the obvious hindsight choice and 14 other teams passed on him as well.
Frank earns his minutes on defense. He is coachable and proven more durable than originally thought. Kid is growing and we should be happy he has yet to lift a weight. His body has grown "organically" and has no known defects. DSM knee concerns are real. Not a rookie issue but his greatest asset is his explosiveness.
Some of us watch real life/ live College BB and dont have to rely on youtube vids...In real life, Brunson, Sexton and Trey Burkes have a more advanced offensive game than Frank has at this point and its really not that close. Can Frank improve? Of course....But so can those guys and any other 19 or 20yr old in the league. Ultimately, Frank is behind in his offensive development compared some of the potential lotto picks who play elite pg/Lead guards entering the league last yr and this.
Those things are teachable and able to be developed. Frank was drafted because of the things he has that you can't teach. Players like Kwahi and George and Green and Butler and Mitch dropped in the draft because they weren't viewed as elite offensive players. They also spent 2-4 yrs in college while still not being known as elite offensive players. But due to having abilities that you cant teach they worked on the things that can be taught. Kanter was a top 5 lotto pick due to his offensive capabilities. Gobert dropped due to being a raw defensive player. Utah ends up moving Kanter due to lack of development of his defense and slid in Gobert who is now a 2 way beast. Kanter is still way more offensively advanced then Gobert. And it took Gobert a few seasons to get to where he is at. But Gobert has developed into a more impact and complete player than Kanter. Even though Kanter started out more offensively advanced.