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SupremeCommander wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

as of right now, my top two candidates would be Fizzdale or Clifford. Clifford only just became an option. so, yes, I think the Knicks should slow this decision down

Is Cliff healthy. I like him, but wonder about his ability to last in NY. Also, did Willy just get two coaches fired? Iscoach killer another label we can throw at him lol

Did Choo make the deal for Willy??

JVG has not coached in 11 years.
His tenure with rockets was riddled with 3 first round exits in 4 years. Injuries sabotaged his run.
His last year the team finishes strong but they got bounced in first round and was FIRED.
His teams were deemed offensively not up to the task.
Does that mean he can't coach? Im sure he could and adapt to the modern game. He is a very smart fellow.
His rants don't make him smarter or a better coach, its entertainment. I find them tiring actually.
I was a big JVG fan and loved those exhausted press conferences after playoff games where he looked like he had not slept in days and slugged down diet cokes!!!!
But that was then. 11 coaches later, we still pining for him? Of course, he represents our last link to success era.
Fact is the franchise would have been better off keeping Nelson, trading Ewing and moved forward. but we did not, I enjoyed the era never the less but bring him back?

Bring on Sam Cassel...who will have Kenny Smith as an advisor.

I would feel safe having this combination part of our coaching staff.

Never been a JVG fan. Mark Jackson like Kenny Smith are NY guys. But from listening to Mark Jackson vs Kenny
Smith basketball IQ, it's not even close for me. Not sure why his name doesn't come up more, but to me he's one of the smartest basketball minds who's young enough to relate to todays players and experienced enough to understand what it takes to be a champion.

Kenny has the best of both worlds....I trust his basketball IQ. And he's a true NY'er born and raised.

If we hire Mark Jackson, I think he needs JVG on his staff for that to work. I doubt they both leave ESPN together.

Nalod wrote:JVG has not coached in 11 years.
His tenure with rockets was riddled with 3 first round exits in 4 years. Injuries sabotaged his run.
His last year the team finishes strong but they got bounced in first round and was FIRED.
His teams were deemed offensively not up to the task.
Does that mean he can't coach? Im sure he could and adapt to the modern game. He is a very smart fellow.
His rants don't make him smarter or a better coach, its entertainment. I find them tiring actually.
I was a big JVG fan and loved those exhausted press conferences after playoff games where he looked like he had not slept in days and slugged down diet cokes!!!!
But that was then. 11 coaches later, we still pining for him? Of course, he represents our last link to success era.
Fact is the franchise would have been better off keeping Nelson, trading Ewing and moved forward. but we did not, I enjoyed the era never the less but bring him back?

Pointing out how he left the game is important. I doubt he would do it, but considering how long he has been out, it would be great if JVG came back as an asst to someone like Vogel as technomaster pointed out.

Mark Jackson feels like Isiah part deux. I would be concerned about Rivers trying to remove Perry from the equation. Getting back the control he had in LA, for a while. Fizdale would have to deal with the NY media over his stance on some issues, as others have pointed out.

I go

Blatt
Stack
Fiz
Kidd

of currently available guys -- Clifford I like but when watching Hornets this year never got sense they were fully locked in. Give Blatt a shot.

Nalod wrote:JVG has not coached in 11 years.
His tenure with rockets was riddled with 3 first round exits in 4 years. Injuries sabotaged his run.
His last year the team finishes strong but they got bounced in first round and was FIRED.
His teams were deemed offensively not up to the task.
Does that mean he can't coach? Im sure he could and adapt to the modern game. He is a very smart fellow.
His rants don't make him smarter or a better coach, its entertainment. I find them tiring actually.
I was a big JVG fan and loved those exhausted press conferences after playoff games where he looked like he had not slept in days and slugged down diet cokes!!!!
But that was then. 11 coaches later, we still pining for him? Of course, he represents our last link to success era.
Fact is the franchise would have been better off keeping Nelson, trading Ewing and moved forward. but we did not, I enjoyed the era never the less but bring him back?

JVG runs BRUTAL offense and he quit on the franchise (his own team). That said -- I still like him because he is focused/driven/defensive minded.

NYKBocker wrote:

I would love to have JVG back. Listening to McGrady praise him like that was awesome.

LivingLegend wrote:

Nalod wrote:JVG has not coached in 11 years.
His tenure with rockets was riddled with 3 first round exits in 4 years. Injuries sabotaged his run.
His last year the team finishes strong but they got bounced in first round and was FIRED.
His teams were deemed offensively not up to the task.
Does that mean he can't coach? Im sure he could and adapt to the modern game. He is a very smart fellow.
His rants don't make him smarter or a better coach, its entertainment. I find them tiring actually.
I was a big JVG fan and loved those exhausted press conferences after playoff games where he looked like he had not slept in days and slugged down diet cokes!!!!
But that was then. 11 coaches later, we still pining for him? Of course, he represents our last link to success era.
Fact is the franchise would have been better off keeping Nelson, trading Ewing and moved forward. but we did not, I enjoyed the era never the less but bring him back?

JVG runs BRUTAL offense and he quit on the franchise (his own team). That said -- I still like him because he is focused/driven/defensive minded.

I thought the death of his friend in 9/11 was why Jeff left.
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/spor...

We have a lot of young players on the roster. And will probably be bringing in more. Need a coach that will develop skills sets first and foremost. Then after he gets fired. We can bring in a coach that knows how to win games with a roster that was already developed by the previous coach.

If we can find a coach that can do both then even better.

I want Phil Jackson to coach

No to Mark Jackson - too contentious. Too big of a name and ego for our young developing team.

I agree with the premise that we should strongly consider hiring a black coach. At least make that one of the variables that potential coaches are graded on. I think it is a plus, especially if they can relate to the young players. But obviously everything else has to be taken into account as well.

My 2 top choices right now - both being equal are
Fizdale - Successful; good coach; can deal well with black players and also develop all the young players.
Blatt - very successful coach in all the leagues he has coached. We have 3 "starting players who are European - Porzingis; Frank N; Kanter (if he stays); Known by Mills and Craig Robinson.

Others to consider:
Stackhouse - but needs more experience IMO
Jarrett Jack - He would be great as an assistant coach but I think he will want to play at least one more year.

Perry says he wants someone to deal with the media and who has experience :
If Fizdale heads to Hornets I can seeneither JVG or Jackson step up. Both experienced and both capable. Listen to McGrady re : JVG and how he envisions Jeff’s relationship w KP. Excellent

Markji wrote:No to Mark Jackson - too contentious. Too big of a name and ego for our young developing team.

I agree with the premise that we should strongly consider hiring a black coach. At least make that one of the variables that potential coaches are graded on. I think it is a plus, especially if they can relate to the young players. But obviously everything else has to be taken into account as well.

My 2 top choices right now - both being equal are
Fizdale - Successful; good coach; can deal well with black players and also develop all the young players.
Blatt - very successful coach in all the leagues he has coached. We have 3 "starting players who are European - Porzingis; Frank N; Kanter (if he stays); Known by Mills and Craig Robinson.

Others to consider:
Stackhouse - but needs more experience IMO
Jarrett Jack - He would be great as an assistant coach but I think he will want to play at least one more year.

Why being black make coach relate better to the young players?
I do not think many players will agree with you.
Players need coach who is capable to guide them to greatness.
Greatness has no color, race, gender, sexual orientation or religion.
This all are irrelevant things.

arkrud wrote:

Markji wrote:No to Mark Jackson - too contentious. Too big of a name and ego for our young developing team.

I agree with the premise that we should strongly consider hiring a black coach. At least make that one of the variables that potential coaches are graded on. I think it is a plus, especially if they can relate to the young players. But obviously everything else has to be taken into account as well.

My 2 top choices right now - both being equal are
Fizdale - Successful; good coach; can deal well with black players and also develop all the young players.
Blatt - very successful coach in all the leagues he has coached. We have 3 "starting players who are European - Porzingis; Frank N; Kanter (if he stays); Known by Mills and Craig Robinson.

Others to consider:
Stackhouse - but needs more experience IMO
Jarrett Jack - He would be great as an assistant coach but I think he will want to play at least one more year.

Why being black make coach relate better to the young players?
I do not think many players will agree with you.
Players need coach who is capable to guide them to greatness.
Greatness has no color, race, gender, sexual orientation or religion.
This all are irrelevant things.

You didn't read my post very carefully. Being a black coach is "ONE" variable which I would rate as a positive. Not the only variable. My top 2 choices as of now are Fizdale and Blatt(who is not Black). So isn't it obvious that I also grade my choices on other qualities, like the qualities you have said.
P.S. I am not black.

Doesn't matter who the coach is. This roster is flawed, always has been, and too much money is tied up on mediocre players to be able to move "the needle". KP is NOT an "alpha" player and no real PG, with nothing significant coming in through the draft or free agency.

Knicks will be in the lottery again for the next 2 years (at least)...at that time, fans and media will again be wondering who will the Knicks bring in to be that next magical coach that will finally make KP into the MVP he is destined to be and turn Frank into a world class point guard.

CrushAlot wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

Nalod wrote:JVG has not coached in 11 years.
His tenure with rockets was riddled with 3 first round exits in 4 years. Injuries sabotaged his run.
His last year the team finishes strong but they got bounced in first round and was FIRED.
His teams were deemed offensively not up to the task.
Does that mean he can't coach? Im sure he could and adapt to the modern game. He is a very smart fellow.
His rants don't make him smarter or a better coach, its entertainment. I find them tiring actually.
I was a big JVG fan and loved those exhausted press conferences after playoff games where he looked like he had not slept in days and slugged down diet cokes!!!!
But that was then. 11 coaches later, we still pining for him? Of course, he represents our last link to success era.
Fact is the franchise would have been better off keeping Nelson, trading Ewing and moved forward. but we did not, I enjoyed the era never the less but bring him back?

JVG runs BRUTAL offense and he quit on the franchise (his own team). That said -- I still like him because he is focused/driven/defensive minded.

I thought the death of his friend in 9/11 was why Jeff left.
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/spor...

Not how I remember the situation and if it was does that really sound like a legit reason for you. What if we hire h8m and someone else close passes...is he gone again?

Not a JVG hater...just worry we have been there done that...don’t recall many of these reach into the past and pull out a miracle coach th8ngs happening. Almost every franchise does it...reaches for ex that had good run and ultimately things level off.

I do think JVG would bring max out of KP....that may be his biggest +

It should be Stackhouse.

LivingLegend wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

Nalod wrote:JVG has not coached in 11 years.
His tenure with rockets was riddled with 3 first round exits in 4 years. Injuries sabotaged his run.
His last year the team finishes strong but they got bounced in first round and was FIRED.
His teams were deemed offensively not up to the task.
Does that mean he can't coach? Im sure he could and adapt to the modern game. He is a very smart fellow.
His rants don't make him smarter or a better coach, its entertainment. I find them tiring actually.
I was a big JVG fan and loved those exhausted press conferences after playoff games where he looked like he had not slept in days and slugged down diet cokes!!!!
But that was then. 11 coaches later, we still pining for him? Of course, he represents our last link to success era.
Fact is the franchise would have been better off keeping Nelson, trading Ewing and moved forward. but we did not, I enjoyed the era never the less but bring him back?

JVG runs BRUTAL offense and he quit on the franchise (his own team). That said -- I still like him because he is focused/driven/defensive minded.

I thought the death of his friend in 9/11 was why Jeff left.
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/spor...

Not how I remember the situation and if it was does that really sound like a legit reason for you. What if we hire h8m and someone else close passes...is he gone again?

Not a JVG hater...just worry we have been there done that...don’t recall many of these reach into the past and pull out a miracle coach th8ngs happening. Almost every franchise does it...reaches for ex that had good run and ultimately things level off.

Do you repeat everything in you life as you did one before?
Do you not learn, grow, change, evolve, from the events in your life and react differently?
Change clothes, food, colors, cars, etc?
You assume because Phil wanted his triangle, a system that elevated him to the all time chip list to continue that all coaches are linear?
Maybe now he understands that about 5 years is the max before burnout occurs, also experience teaches us many lessons for later use in our personal data base and how to deal with adversity.
I commend Jeff or “Bailing”, team was going knowwhere and he was cooked.

LivingLegend wrote:I do think JVG would bring max out of KP....that may be his biggest +

That is my thinking. He is a very good big man coach.