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New York Knicks
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Mary Altaffer/Associated Press
New York Knicks get: DeMar DeRozan

Toronto Raptors get: Joakim Noah, Ron Baker, Frank Ntilikina

New York almost traded for Lowry during the 2013-14 season, before Knicks owner James Dolan reportedly got cold feet at the last minute. Five years later, the Knicks are trying to pull themselves out of a rebuild and could be chasing big names again. DeRozan is coming off a career year, and at 28 years old, he is much closer to his prime than the 32-year-old Lowry, putting him more in line with Kristaps Porzingis' development timeline.

The Noah and Baker contracts could be bought out or stretched. New York would love to get off of Noah's money in particular, as he's owed $37.8 million over the next two seasons.

Doing so, and returning a player as good as DeRozan, would likely cost them the best young piece on their roster outside of Porzingis. Ntilikina showed tremendous defensive potential in his rookie season, but he isn't a true point guard, so he would be somewhat redundant next to DeRozan. He and Lowry would form a formidable defensive backcourt, and he's versatile enough that he'd be able to adapt to a different role later on if the Raptors eventually move Lowry.

For Toronto, the opportunity to get much younger and cheaper in the backcourt, paired with Ntilikina's upside, makes this a worthwhile move to consider if they decide to move DeRozan.

The only way Noah gets traded is if the knicks sacrifice frank or draft picks.

This trade cuts in to future cap flex, but pairing derozen up with KP will definitely give KP the incentive to stay.

It will also make us a very attractive destination for FA who maybe willing to sacrifice $$ for a legit shot at a ring, maybe even leonard

The only way Noah gets traded is if the knicks sacrifice frank or draft picks.

Which accomplishes what?

This trade cuts in to future cap flex, but pairing derozen up with KP will definitely give KP the incentive to stay.

KP will have the same incentive that every rookie has and sign his contract like every other player in the league does and has done (with the exception on Greg Monroe and who cares about him)

It will also make us a very attractive destination for FA who maybe willing to sacrifice $$ for a legit shot at a ring, maybe even leonard

They said the same thing about Melo, Amare, MDA, bla bla bla

So basically, we are getting DeRozan, for Frank and 2 contracts!! No way Toronto pulls the trigger on this trade....There has to be draft picks going to Toronto too....if the package is just Frank, Noah and Baker for DeRozan; the Knicks would have to pull the trigger.

knicks1248 wrote:

New York Knicks
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Mary Altaffer/Associated Press
New York Knicks get: DeMar DeRozan

Toronto Raptors get: Joakim Noah, Ron Baker, Frank Ntilikina

New York almost traded for Lowry during the 2013-14 season, before Knicks owner James Dolan reportedly got cold feet at the last minute. Five years later, the Knicks are trying to pull themselves out of a rebuild and could be chasing big names again. DeRozan is coming off a career year, and at 28 years old, he is much closer to his prime than the 32-year-old Lowry, putting him more in line with Kristaps Porzingis' development timeline.

The Noah and Baker contracts could be bought out or stretched. New York would love to get off of Noah's money in particular, as he's owed $37.8 million over the next two seasons.

Doing so, and returning a player as good as DeRozan, would likely cost them the best young piece on their roster outside of Porzingis. Ntilikina showed tremendous defensive potential in his rookie season, but he isn't a true point guard, so he would be somewhat redundant next to DeRozan. He and Lowry would form a formidable defensive backcourt, and he's versatile enough that he'd be able to adapt to a different role later on if the Raptors eventually move Lowry.

For Toronto, the opportunity to get much younger and cheaper in the backcourt, paired with Ntilikina's upside, makes this a worthwhile move to consider if they decide to move DeRozan.

The only way Noah gets traded is if the knicks sacrifice frank or draft picks.

This trade cuts in to future cap flex, but pairing derozen up with KP will definitely give KP the incentive to stay.

It will also make us a very attractive destination for FA who maybe willing to sacrifice $$ for a legit shot at a ring, maybe even leonard

Well since you dont believe in frank or draft picks this is the ideal trade for you. However the knicks seem to have a plan which i agree with building with youth and through the draft. Next year we shouldhave more cap space anyway. KP is not going anywhere. He is a RFA and pretty much every bigtime player resigns after their rookie contract is up

That would be a terrible trade for us, DeRozan is one of the most overrated players in the nba... it would be Melo 2.0 ... we f u c k are cap space for what a few playoff series ... it’s time to build a real contender not a pretender ... we make that trade the curse of Ewing prevails

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

New York Knicks
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Mary Altaffer/Associated Press
New York Knicks get: DeMar DeRozan

Toronto Raptors get: Joakim Noah, Ron Baker, Frank Ntilikina

New York almost traded for Lowry during the 2013-14 season, before Knicks owner James Dolan reportedly got cold feet at the last minute. Five years later, the Knicks are trying to pull themselves out of a rebuild and could be chasing big names again. DeRozan is coming off a career year, and at 28 years old, he is much closer to his prime than the 32-year-old Lowry, putting him more in line with Kristaps Porzingis' development timeline.

The Noah and Baker contracts could be bought out or stretched. New York would love to get off of Noah's money in particular, as he's owed $37.8 million over the next two seasons.

Doing so, and returning a player as good as DeRozan, would likely cost them the best young piece on their roster outside of Porzingis. Ntilikina showed tremendous defensive potential in his rookie season, but he isn't a true point guard, so he would be somewhat redundant next to DeRozan. He and Lowry would form a formidable defensive backcourt, and he's versatile enough that he'd be able to adapt to a different role later on if the Raptors eventually move Lowry.

For Toronto, the opportunity to get much younger and cheaper in the backcourt, paired with Ntilikina's upside, makes this a worthwhile move to consider if they decide to move DeRozan.

The only way Noah gets traded is if the knicks sacrifice frank or draft picks.

This trade cuts in to future cap flex, but pairing derozen up with KP will definitely give KP the incentive to stay.

It will also make us a very attractive destination for FA who maybe willing to sacrifice $$ for a legit shot at a ring, maybe even leonard

Well since you dont believe in frank or draft picks this is the ideal trade for you. However the knicks seem to have a plan which i agree with building with youth and through the draft. Next year we shouldhave more cap space anyway. KP is not going anywhere. He is a RFA and pretty much every bigtime player resigns after their rookie contract is up

Im not in favor of this trade because derozen has been a disappointment in the playoffs(especially big games) to say the least,

I'm like labron, I value winning by any means, i dont care how you do it, young, old, doesn't matter just get it done.

Can't put too much stock in draft picks when the people drafting aren't hitting home runs, there hitting base hits, but have mostly been foul balls.

but paying Noah all that money to sit on a beach..stupidity in it's highest form,

fishmike wrote:

The only way Noah gets traded is if the knicks sacrifice frank or draft picks.

Which accomplishes what?

This trade cuts in to future cap flex, but pairing derozen up with KP will definitely give KP the incentive to stay.

KP will have the same incentive that every rookie has and sign his contract like every other player in the league does and has done (with the exception on Greg Monroe and who cares about him)

It will also make us a very attractive destination for FA who maybe willing to sacrifice $$ for a legit shot at a ring, maybe even leonard

They said the same thing about Melo, Amare, MDA, bla bla bla

Your right, thats why having cap space doesn't mean a whole lot if you going to invest it in Bull sht, which is what we have been doing the last 10 yrs

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

New York Knicks
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Mary Altaffer/Associated Press
New York Knicks get: DeMar DeRozan

Toronto Raptors get: Joakim Noah, Ron Baker, Frank Ntilikina

New York almost traded for Lowry during the 2013-14 season, before Knicks owner James Dolan reportedly got cold feet at the last minute. Five years later, the Knicks are trying to pull themselves out of a rebuild and could be chasing big names again. DeRozan is coming off a career year, and at 28 years old, he is much closer to his prime than the 32-year-old Lowry, putting him more in line with Kristaps Porzingis' development timeline.

The Noah and Baker contracts could be bought out or stretched. New York would love to get off of Noah's money in particular, as he's owed $37.8 million over the next two seasons.

Doing so, and returning a player as good as DeRozan, would likely cost them the best young piece on their roster outside of Porzingis. Ntilikina showed tremendous defensive potential in his rookie season, but he isn't a true point guard, so he would be somewhat redundant next to DeRozan. He and Lowry would form a formidable defensive backcourt, and he's versatile enough that he'd be able to adapt to a different role later on if the Raptors eventually move Lowry.

For Toronto, the opportunity to get much younger and cheaper in the backcourt, paired with Ntilikina's upside, makes this a worthwhile move to consider if they decide to move DeRozan.

The only way Noah gets traded is if the knicks sacrifice frank or draft picks.

This trade cuts in to future cap flex, but pairing derozen up with KP will definitely give KP the incentive to stay.

It will also make us a very attractive destination for FA who maybe willing to sacrifice $$ for a legit shot at a ring, maybe even leonard

Well since you dont believe in frank or draft picks this is the ideal trade for you. However the knicks seem to have a plan which i agree with building with youth and through the draft. Next year we shouldhave more cap space anyway. KP is not going anywhere. He is a RFA and pretty much every bigtime player resigns after their rookie contract is up

Im not in favor of this trade because derozen has been a disappointment in the playoffs(especially big games) to say the least,

I'm like labron, I value winning by any means, i dont care how you do it, young, old, doesn't matter just get it done.

Can't put too much stock in draft picks when the people drafting aren't hitting home runs, there hitting base hits, but have mostly been foul balls.

but paying Noah all that money to sit on a beach..stupidity in it's highest form,

The Knicks are doing the right thing right now. For years we sacrificed tons of draft picks and youth and got worse. I dont have a issue trading draft picks but it has to be a no brainer. Right now it makes sense to continue getting younger talent to add to the core. Like said next year we will ahve cap space plus the Noah contarct will be a expiring contract

Toronto isn't trading Derozan for Noah, Baker and Frank. We would have to include our #9. They could probably convince Dallas, Memphis, Bulls though if they are able to match salaries with their dead weight. Cavs would probably be willing to deal but doubt they trade him to the Cavs.

Interesting how much this guy values Frank though.

Another scoring small forward with a lot of holes, who is going to be the number 1 player on the team. Great. I’ll pass.

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

New York Knicks
1 OF 5

Mary Altaffer/Associated Press
New York Knicks get: DeMar DeRozan

Toronto Raptors get: Joakim Noah, Ron Baker, Frank Ntilikina

New York almost traded for Lowry during the 2013-14 season, before Knicks owner James Dolan reportedly got cold feet at the last minute. Five years later, the Knicks are trying to pull themselves out of a rebuild and could be chasing big names again. DeRozan is coming off a career year, and at 28 years old, he is much closer to his prime than the 32-year-old Lowry, putting him more in line with Kristaps Porzingis' development timeline.

The Noah and Baker contracts could be bought out or stretched. New York would love to get off of Noah's money in particular, as he's owed $37.8 million over the next two seasons.

Doing so, and returning a player as good as DeRozan, would likely cost them the best young piece on their roster outside of Porzingis. Ntilikina showed tremendous defensive potential in his rookie season, but he isn't a true point guard, so he would be somewhat redundant next to DeRozan. He and Lowry would form a formidable defensive backcourt, and he's versatile enough that he'd be able to adapt to a different role later on if the Raptors eventually move Lowry.

For Toronto, the opportunity to get much younger and cheaper in the backcourt, paired with Ntilikina's upside, makes this a worthwhile move to consider if they decide to move DeRozan.

The only way Noah gets traded is if the knicks sacrifice frank or draft picks.

This trade cuts in to future cap flex, but pairing derozen up with KP will definitely give KP the incentive to stay.

It will also make us a very attractive destination for FA who maybe willing to sacrifice $$ for a legit shot at a ring, maybe even leonard

Well since you dont believe in frank or draft picks this is the ideal trade for you. However the knicks seem to have a plan which i agree with building with youth and through the draft. Next year we shouldhave more cap space anyway. KP is not going anywhere. He is a RFA and pretty much every bigtime player resigns after their rookie contract is up

Im not in favor of this trade because derozen has been a disappointment in the playoffs(especially big games) to say the least,

I'm like labron, I value winning by any means, i dont care how you do it, young, old, doesn't matter just get it done.

Can't put too much stock in draft picks when the people drafting aren't hitting home runs, there hitting base hits, but have mostly been foul balls.

but paying Noah all that money to sit on a beach..stupidity in it's highest form,

"I'm like labron, I value winning by any means, i dont care how you do it, young, old, doesn't matter just get it done."

Thats some funny shyt right there! You aligning yourself with Lebron? How is that btw?

Why no link to the article?...This was just one trade mentioned, it would seem...1/5...why not the other trades?

Strange.

Just say no to the Knicks doing a trade with Ujiri ever!

newyorknewyork wrote:Toronto isn't trading Derozan for Noah, Baker and Frank. We would have to include our #9. They could probably convince Dallas, Memphis, Bulls though if they are able to match salaries with their dead weight. Cavs would probably be willing to deal but doubt they trade him to the Cavs.

Interesting how much this guy values Frank though.

Agreed...We would definitely have to include a draft pick or 2...DeRozan is a proven allstar in this league and they aint trading him for two bad contracts and a rookie that averaged 9 pts per game!

how about knicks1248, a first, and $3 million for Nicolas Batum

Uptown wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Toronto isn't trading Derozan for Noah, Baker and Frank. We would have to include our #9. They could probably convince Dallas, Memphis, Bulls though if they are able to match salaries with their dead weight. Cavs would probably be willing to deal but doubt they trade him to the Cavs.

Interesting how much this guy values Frank though.

Agreed...We would definitely have to include a draft pick or 2...DeRozan is a proven allstar in this league and they aint trading him for two bad contracts and a rookie that averaged 9 pts per game!

well either way it works out better for the knicks to stay away

Uptown wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Toronto isn't trading Derozan for Noah, Baker and Frank. We would have to include our #9. They could probably convince Dallas, Memphis, Bulls though if they are able to match salaries with their dead weight. Cavs would probably be willing to deal but doubt they trade him to the Cavs.

Interesting how much this guy values Frank though.

Agreed...We would definitely have to include a draft pick or 2...DeRozan is a proven allstar in this league and they aint trading him for two bad contracts and a rookie that averaged 9 pts per game!

I think a Derozan for Wiggins deal may take place this summer.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Toronto isn't trading Derozan for Noah, Baker and Frank. We would have to include our #9. They could probably convince Dallas, Memphis, Bulls though if they are able to match salaries with their dead weight. Cavs would probably be willing to deal but doubt they trade him to the Cavs.

Interesting how much this guy values Frank though.

Agreed...We would definitely have to include a draft pick or 2...DeRozan is a proven allstar in this league and they aint trading him for two bad contracts and a rookie that averaged 9 pts per game!

well either way it works out better for the knicks to stay away

Yup, not gonna be worth what we would have to pay. They have 0 incentive to take on Noahs contract. They would most likely ask for Hardaway jr, #9 & Frank expecting to be worked down to 2 out of the 3.

WaltLongmire wrote:Why no link to the article?...This was just one trade mentioned, it would seem...1/5...why not the other trades?

Strange.

Potential Trade Packages and Landing Spots for DeMar DeRozan, Kyle Lowry
SEAN HIGHKIN
JUNE 6, 2018

Nick Wass/Associated Press
The 2018 NBA offseason could see some major shakeups throughout the league. There are big names on the free-agent market (LeBron James, Paul George, DeMarcus Cousins, DeAndre Jordan), the looming Kawhi Leonard situation in San Antonio and possible trades involving oft-rumored names like C.J. McCollum.

One of the toughest teams to get a read on is the Toronto Raptors, who secured the No. 1 seed in the Eastern Conference behind an All-Star backcourt of Kyle Lowry and DeMar DeRozan and a slew of impressive young talent. But they are in transition after being swept in the playoffs by the Cleveland Cavaliers for the second year in a row and firing head coach Dwane Casey.

There's speculation that team president Masai Ujiri could finally be ready to make sweeping changes. On Tuesday night, ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski reported that no one on Toronto's roster is considered untouchable in trade talks. This means that even Lowry and DeRozan could be moved in the right deal.

Trading either one of the star guards could be tricky. Both are owed big money. Lowry is set to make $64.3 million over the next two seasons, while DeRozan is on the books for $83.2 million over the next three. Both are likely too expensive to fetch the kind of return in picks and prospects that could kick-start a from-the-bottom rebuild. Any deal involving either one would be more of a retooling, in which Ujiri would simply move pieces around and try to remain competitive in the Eastern Conference playoff picture.

With that said, there are a few teams that make sense as destinations for the Toronto guards.

New York Knicks
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Mary Altaffer/Associated Press
New York Knicks get: DeMar DeRozan

Toronto Raptors get: Joakim Noah, Ron Baker, Frank Ntilikina

New York almost traded for Lowry during the 2013-14 season, before Knicks owner James Dolan reportedly got cold feet at the last minute. Five years later, the Knicks are trying to pull themselves out of a rebuild and could be chasing big names again. DeRozan is coming off a career year, and at 28 years old, he is much closer to his prime than the 32-year-old Lowry, putting him more in line with Kristaps Porzingis' development timeline.

The Noah and Baker contracts could be bought out or stretched. New York would love to get off of Noah's money in particular, as he's owed $37.8 million over the next two seasons.

Doing so, and returning a player as good as DeRozan, would likely cost them the best young piece on their roster outside of Porzingis. Ntilikina showed tremendous defensive potential in his rookie season, but he isn't a true point guard, so he would be somewhat redundant next to DeRozan. He and Lowry would form a formidable defensive backcourt, and he's versatile enough that he'd be able to adapt to a different role later on if the Raptors eventually move Lowry.

For Toronto, the opportunity to get much younger and cheaper in the backcourt, paired with Ntilikina's upside, makes this a worthwhile move to consider if they decide to move DeRozan.

San Antonio Spurs
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Eric Gay/Associated Press
San Antonio Spurs get: Kyle Lowry

Toronto Raptors get: Pau Gasol, Patty Mills, Dejounte Murray

Everything the Spurs do this summer hinges on how the Leonard situation gets resolved. The two-time Defensive Player of the Year missed all but nine games of the 2017-18 amid tensions with the organization over the rehab timeline for a quad injury suffered in last year's playoffs. If he and Gregg Popovich are not able to repair their relationship, San Antonio could start fielding trade offers, in which case it probably isn't looking to trade for a player as expensive as Lowry or DeRozan.

However, supposing Leonard and Popovich are able to reconcile and commit to their partnership long-term, the Spurs are an interesting Lowry trade destination. Tony Parker has already transitioned into a bench role, and his playing future is as yet undetermined. Lowry gives them an All-Star-caliber replacement with only two seasons left on his deal, whose age and experience are much more conducive to short-term contention alongside Leonard and LaMarcus Aldridge than the 21-year-old Murray.

Between Murray and Mills, the Raptors get back plenty of production at the point guard position—one promising youngster and one dependable veteran. Gasol's contract is included to make salaries match. He's owed around $16 million in each of the next two seasons, but the second of those years is only $6.7 million guaranteed, providing considerable salary relief compared to paying Lowry through his deal.

Minnesota Timberwolves
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Minnesota Timberwolves get: DeMar DeRozan

Toronto Raptors get: Andrew Wiggins

This is a straight-up swap that would act as something of a reset for two would-be contenders. Wiggins, who is about to begin a five-year, $146 million extension, hasn't been a perfect fit in Minnesota alongside Jimmy Butler and Karl-Anthony Towns. DeRozan's money is similar on a per-year basis, but for two fewer years, and his age aligns much more closely with that of Butler. Together, the two would form a formidable scoring duo on the perimeter.

For the Raptors, the bet would be that Wiggins, a Toronto-area native, still has untapped potential as a two-way star. He's five years younger than DeRozan and isn't as ball-dominant. Toronto's coaching staff has a strong track record of developing young players like Norman Powell, Pascal Siakam and Fred VanVleet, and it could do the same with Wiggins.

Miami Heat
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Alan Diaz/Associated Press
Miami Heat get: Kyle Lowry

Toronto Raptors get: Goran Dragic, Kelly Olynyk

This swap of similarly-aged All-Star point guards gives both teams a different look. Lowry's hard-nosed defensive mentality would fit well in the famous Heat culture built by Pat Riley and Erik Spoelstra, and Dragic would provide a more dynamic offensive style for the Raptors. Dragic has played alongside other high-scoring guards in his career (Eric Bledsoe, Dion Waiters, Dwyane Wade), so it wouldn't be much of an adjustment to slot in next to DeRozan in Toronto.

Olynyk's contract is included to make the money match up, but he's also a useful bench big man, and this would be a homecoming to his native Toronto. There are other contracts the Raptors could take back in place of Olynyk. Josh Richardson, James Johnson or Waiters would all get the salaries to match up pretty closely.

Charlotte Hornets
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Nell Redmond/Associated Press
Charlotte Hornets get: DeMar DeRozan, Jonas Valanciunas

Toronto Raptors get: Nicolas Batum, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Malik Monk

The Hornets have arguably the worst salary-cap situation in the NBA, with numerous huge deals given to role players without much hope for contention. They need a shake-up in the worst way, and this offseason's changes on the bench (replacing longtime head coach Steve Clifford with former Spurs assistant James Borrego) and in the front office (replacing Rich Cho with former Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak) are signs they're ready to blow things up.

This trade would involve a lot of swapping of bad contracts on both sides, with the Raptors unloading Valanciunas' remaining two years and $34.2 million as part of the trade-off for losing DeRozan. Batum and Kidd-Gilchrist are both talented wings with health concerns who are still young enough (29 and 24, respectively) to provide some value, especially on the defensive end.

Toronto would also get to take a flier on Monk, a talented scoring guard who didn't prove much in his rookie year in Charlotte but may just need a change of scenery.

Writer is credentialed but does that mean its not a sad article?
Then, our resident (take your choice of expletive)reads it with his usually gullibility and relabels it "Rumor".
Naturally his cognitive deficiency occurs as the blood that would be going to his brain fills his loins to any thought he can produce something that devalues Frank as it might actually might validate his view.
Its not a rumor, its an opinion.
So no need dignify it as any thought process by Mills or Perry. Its not rumor.

Nalod wrote:Writer is credentialed but does that mean its not a sad article?
Then, our resident (take your choice of expletive)reads it with his usually gullibility and relabels it "Rumor".
Naturally his cognitive deficiency occurs as the blood that would be going to his brain fills his loins to any thought he can produce something that devalues Frank as it might actually might validate his view.
Its not a rumor, its an opinion.
So no need dignify it as any thought process by Mills or Perry. Its not rumor.

^^^