Knicks · What About Knox? (page 2)
So, I'd say for the Knicks, where there's a general lack of talent, the age-old strategy of "best player available" suits here. The Knicks need to increase the overall talent of their top rotation players. I don't believe Knox will be the best player available at 9, so it may be a poor choice to take him at that slot.
The clip on the bottom of page 1, started watching at the 3 minute mark. Nice handle for a big, and using it effectively to get through traffic. Almost like a checkers move,lol.
Would be another big who knows how to play small, like KP. We get enough of that type of player on the roster, and teams are going to have a hard time matching up.
Dont know about Knox's D. If its decent, I wouldnt have a problem with Knox being selected, based on this limited info. Also depends who is available at 9. Would rather draft Knox than Mikal Bridges, or Porter jr.
GustavBahler wrote:There is a good article on P&T about Knox on the front page. When we hear the details of what Perry/Mills think of a potential pick, you hope its not Walsh all over again, as others have brought up.I agree with all of your points. I do like Miles at 9 but the front office has been thorough and had Knox and Miles go against each other in their workout.The clip on the bottom of page 1, started watching at the 3 minute mark. Nice handle for a big, and using it effectively to get through traffic. Almost like a checkers move,lol.
Would be another big who knows how to play small, like KP. We get enough of that type of player on the roster, and teams are going to have a hard time matching up.
Dont know about Knox's D. If its decent, I wouldnt have a problem with Knox being selected, based on this limited info. Also depends who is available at 9. Would rather draft Knox than Mikal Bridges, or Porter jr.
CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:There is a good article on P&T about Knox on the front page. When we hear the details of what Perry/Mills think of a potential pick, you hope its not Walsh all over again, as others have brought up.I agree with all of your points. I do like Miles at 9 but the front office has been thorough and had Knox and Miles go against each other in their workout.The clip on the bottom of page 1, started watching at the 3 minute mark. Nice handle for a big, and using it effectively to get through traffic. Almost like a checkers move,lol.
Would be another big who knows how to play small, like KP. We get enough of that type of player on the roster, and teams are going to have a hard time matching up.
Dont know about Knox's D. If its decent, I wouldnt have a problem with Knox being selected, based on this limited info. Also depends who is available at 9. Would rather draft Knox than Mikal Bridges, or Porter jr.
My main concern with Knox is that he is built to look good in a workout. The knocks against him come more from being in a team setting. Like lack of motor and loses focus if he isn't the feature. Does he have the quickness to guard the perimeter or is he best as a PF. For his size and length his 5 rebounds per game is pretty trash. And he offered limited defensive stats.
If he is just gonna provide points and little of anything else then he isn't what we need. We need a guy that gets after all the little things away from the ball with a high motor. Who also has potential offensively.
newyorknewyork wrote:CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:There is a good article on P&T about Knox on the front page. When we hear the details of what Perry/Mills think of a potential pick, you hope its not Walsh all over again, as others have brought up.I agree with all of your points. I do like Miles at 9 but the front office has been thorough and had Knox and Miles go against each other in their workout.The clip on the bottom of page 1, started watching at the 3 minute mark. Nice handle for a big, and using it effectively to get through traffic. Almost like a checkers move,lol.
Would be another big who knows how to play small, like KP. We get enough of that type of player on the roster, and teams are going to have a hard time matching up.
Dont know about Knox's D. If its decent, I wouldnt have a problem with Knox being selected, based on this limited info. Also depends who is available at 9. Would rather draft Knox than Mikal Bridges, or Porter jr.
My main concern with Knox is that he is built to look good in a workout. The knocks against him come more from being in a team setting. Like lack of motor and loses focus if he isn't the feature. Does he have the quickness to guard the perimeter or is he best as a PF. For his size and length his 5 rebounds per game is pretty trash. And he offered limited defensive stats.
If he is just gonna provide points and little of anything else then he isn't what we need. We need a guy that gets after all the little things away from the ball with a high motor. Who also has potential offensively.
Knox is 18, looks like he's still growing. Looks like he could be a front line player, who can also play the perimeter.
Between his Dad's influence, and being in a blue chip program, where you're expected to make a splash right off the bat. Playing in the pros might be somewhat liberating. Give him a chance to be more of his own man.
GustavBahler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:There is a good article on P&T about Knox on the front page. When we hear the details of what Perry/Mills think of a potential pick, you hope its not Walsh all over again, as others have brought up.I agree with all of your points. I do like Miles at 9 but the front office has been thorough and had Knox and Miles go against each other in their workout.The clip on the bottom of page 1, started watching at the 3 minute mark. Nice handle for a big, and using it effectively to get through traffic. Almost like a checkers move,lol.
Would be another big who knows how to play small, like KP. We get enough of that type of player on the roster, and teams are going to have a hard time matching up.
Dont know about Knox's D. If its decent, I wouldnt have a problem with Knox being selected, based on this limited info. Also depends who is available at 9. Would rather draft Knox than Mikal Bridges, or Porter jr.
My main concern with Knox is that he is built to look good in a workout. The knocks against him come more from being in a team setting. Like lack of motor and loses focus if he isn't the feature. Does he have the quickness to guard the perimeter or is he best as a PF. For his size and length his 5 rebounds per game is pretty trash. And he offered limited defensive stats.
If he is just gonna provide points and little of anything else then he isn't what we need. We need a guy that gets after all the little things away from the ball with a high motor. Who also has potential offensively.
Knox is 18, looks like he's still growing. Looks like he could be a front line player, who can also play the perimeter.
Between his Dad's influence, and being in a blue chip program, where you're expected to make a splash right off the bat. Playing in the pros might be somewhat liberating. Give him a chance to be more of his own man.
Now the question is. If he is a front line player, does he now force KP to have to play center full time in order to work defensively? Or does he offer the flexibility to allow KP to slide to the 4? With him at the 3, while we still maintaining good offensive pace, but also offering an overwhelming size and length advantage? If we are to contend in the future we need to be on that type of level. Where our lineup is imposing with size and length without having to sacrifice pace & space. Does he have the ability to guard centers himself down the road? Does he have the motor to be an effective front line player and do the dirty work? KP will get volume as a go to scorer. Would that take away from Knox effectiveness? As a lot of his buckets playing with KP will have to come from hustle like Kanter offers.
KP also isn't a great passer at this point in his career. Can Knox offer that ability to allow himself to be more of a feature with KP being more of a finisher? As we can't have 2 front court players who aren't good passers getting majority of the touches. But would we be forced to have to feed Knox to make him effective? Draymond and Durants guard like abilities are devastating from the forward/Big spots as they combine for over 10 ast per game.
Also ideally in a dream scenario. KP & Knox would emulate Ben Wallace and Sheed Wallace defensively. KP being an elite rim protector and Knox being an beast man-man defender. Covering ground all over the court. With both of them offering spacing and ability to put the ball on the floor. With the ability to go even bigger if Fizz wanted to with Knox at the 3, KP at the 4, and another big man for a devastating rotation option. Especially with a 6'5 7ft wing space G with #1 PNR defense ability.
Knox clearly has the raw measurements and athletic tools to accomplish all of this. Would be putting a ton of pressure on Fizz to get him to reach that level of production. And would also probably be a few seasons away from realizing all that he could bring. But if he was able to offer the things mentioned above. To go along with Franks similar potential on the perimeter and of course KP's unicorn traits.
Then the Knicks would be in business.
There are a number of reasons why I think this could happen:
1. Sixers have 6 drafts picks in this draft - don't really have that many roster slots available
2. As they've already maxed out on receivable cash for 2017-18, they can only realistically sell one or two of their draft picks ($5.2Mn max cash receivable can realistically get you picks #38 and #56) and complete this transaction in early July after agreeing to the trade in principle
3. They may have a strong preference for Mikal or Miles and want to pre-empt the Knicks choosing those players
4. Trading #10 and #26 for #9 is fairish value based on historical precedence. It also saves them about $0.9Mn in cap space.
5. The international draft and stash pool this year is pretty poor
Anyway take that for what it's worth even if you don't take that for data!
StarksEwing1 wrote:Its a tricky decision. Both knox and bridges should be available and i like both. Bridges may be the safer bet but his ceiling may not be as high given his age. Similar to frank knox is one of the youngest prospects and may be better longterm. Either way at 9 we are gonna get a good prospect.
Just a clip I posted on another thread...Anyone know any specifics on why they liked Knox so much?
Some members of the Knicks organization came away ‘very impressed’ by Kentucky’s Kevin Knox after his performance in workout with the team last Saturday, per league sources. Knox worked out with a group that included Michigan State’s Miles Bridges. Knox and Bridges competed against one another in the workout, per sources. After the workout, members of the organization club inquired about Knox’s remaining workouts, asking if he had any workouts with teams drafting ahead of New York. That’s standard for the draft process, but perhaps indicates the club’s level of interest in drafting Knox. Knox is currently projected to be drafted at No. 9 by the Knicks in ESPN’s latest mock draft.
These guys all have their pros and cons. Mikal has a great understanding of his role in a team context. We know he's a worker and he's probably the best 3p shooter of the 3. Miles is the best rebounder of the 3, and he's pretty solid in all areas. His defense surprised me in that his perimeter D was good (he moves his feet well but doesn't really bother shots due to his length) and his post D was disappointing (for such a strong dude he gets backed down and overpowered more often than I would like). Kevin is good shooter and transition player and when locked in solid defensively but loses his man on defense often than I would like.
When I started looking at these guys for our draft slot earlier this year, I didn't really have a strong preference for any one of these players. I was more comfortable drafting Mikal but then he's less of a mystery. A Knox selection would fit into the Knick's recent modus operandi of selecting the highest reward player a la KP and Frank. If they're confident in their ability to develop Knox and in his mental make-up, then I won't have much of an issue with the pick.
fwk00 wrote:If its a choice of Porter or Knox, I think you roll with Knox.
I'd definitely go with Porter. Much higher upside and their games are pretty similar.
BigDaddyG wrote:fwk00 wrote:If its a choice of Porter or Knox, I think you roll with Knox.I'd definitely go with Porter. Much higher upside and their games are pretty similar.
Back issue aside...I really would have liked to see Porter playing for the entire season in Division 1 ball...
He measured 6'9.5" WITHOUT shoes at the combine in 2018...Measured 6'7.5" w/o shoes in 2014. Means he was playing in HS (and growing) at a height which would have allowed him to get away with things he might not have been able to do in college against stronger/taller opponents.
This, in itself, even without considering the back issue, makes it harder to judge him as a future NBA player, IMO. Means you are essentially taking him based on his HS play and potential. (Has he even worked out against other players in any team workouts? Doubt it.)
But if Porter is there, and we have checked him out medically, he has to be our guy.
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ccinflushing wrote:If Knox is our guy, I wouldn't be surprised if we traded pick #9 to the Sixers for #10 and #26 and used #10 on Knox.There are a number of reasons why I think this could happen:
1. Sixers have 6 drafts picks in this draft - don't really have that many roster slots available
2. As they've already maxed out on receivable cash for 2017-18, they can only realistically sell one or two of their draft picks ($5.2Mn max cash receivable can realistically get you picks #38 and #56) and complete this transaction in early July after agreeing to the trade in principle
3. They may have a strong preference for Mikal or Miles and want to pre-empt the Knicks choosing those players
4. Trading #10 and #26 for #9 is fairish value based on historical precedence. It also saves them about $0.9Mn in cap space. (Note: actual saving is $1.5MM as they would already have 12 roster slots accounted for)
5. The international draft and stash pool this year is pretty poorAnyway take that for what it's worth even if you don't take that for data!
Good article from Keith Pompey of the Philly Inquirer laying out the different options for the Sixers
by Keith Pompey, STAFF WRITERWe’ll find out in the coming days if the 76ers will keep the 10th overall pick in Thursday’s NBA draft.
A league source has said the Sixers are definitely interested in Spurs small forward Kawhi Leonard, who reportedly wants out of San Antonio. They would most likely have to include the No. 10 pick in any type of package for the two-time defensive player of the year.
Assuming they keep the pick, Kentucky’s Kevin Knox II believes he’s the best draft option for the Sixers. And he believes the team has mutual interest based off its feedback following Friday’s workout at the facility.
“They are really interested in me,” Knox said. “They love my game. They love the way that I can shoot the ball. That’s something they really like what I can do – shoot a lot of threes.
“My versatility, being able to take guys off the dribble, is something that will complement very well with Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid.”
He said they also talked about how he plays with tenacity, fire and energy – three Sixer trademarks.
So the 6-foot-9, 215-pounder put his shooting, tenacity, fire and energy on full display while working out with Cincinnati swingman Jacob Evans, Kentucky forward Wenyen Gabriel, Missouri forward Jordan Barnett, guards Tre Holden of Arizona State and Rhode Island’s E.C. Matthews.
Evans is a candidate for the Sixers to select with the 26th overall pick.
But there was no confusion to who was the best player on the court. Knox, who doesn’t turn 19 until Aug. 11, dominated players that were, in some cases, 4 years older. He converted a three-point play while posting up, buried a three-pointer and assisted on layup during a short stretch of a scrimmage that was open to the media.
Sixers senior director of basketball operations Vince Rozman said Knox’s touch stood out the most.
“For his size, he can shoot,” Rozman said. “He can handle it a little bit. He’s really mobile. He’s a talent.”
Knox averaged 15.6 points, 5.4 rebounds and 1.4 assists in his only season for the Wildcats. He shot 34.1 percent from three-point range. A 2017 McDonalds All American from Tampa, Fla. with a 7-0¼ wingspan, he led the Wildcats in scoring 12 times.
He and Alabama’s Collin Sexton were named the SEC’s co-freshmen of the year. Knox also was named first-team all-SEC and received all-SEC tournament honors.
He would initially be looked upon to add depth off the bench, but could develop into a key NBA starter in a couple of seasons. Knox would also be a solid candidate to spend some time in the NBA G League this coming season.
“Coach [Brett] Brown asked me that,” he said of playing for the Delaware Blue Coats, the Sixers’ G-League. “I told him I was perfectly fine. Go down there and dominate. Go down there and prove why I should be up on the regular team; just go down there and try to kill everyone and work hard.”
If that’s his route, Knox plans to learn everything he can in the G-League so he’ll be able to dominate in the NBA. He said there’s no need to whine and cry about playing in that league.
Knox realizes that he’ll have to work for everything he gets.
But the Sixers aren’t your average team with a 10th overall pick. They won 52 games this past season and reached the second round of the Eastern Conference playoffs. They need to acquire a player like Leonard in a trade or Cleveland’s LeBron James and Oklahoma City’s Paul George in free agency to increase their chances of contending for an NBA title. A No. 10 pick would be basically a rotation player, at least for the upcoming season.
That’s why Friday’s news of Leonard wanting out of San Antonio is so intriguing to the Sixers. He is reportedly even willing to turn down the $219 million “super-max” extension he could get this summer with the Spurs.
Leonard, who reportedly wants to be traded to the Los Angeles Lakers, stayed away from San Antonio for most of the season while dealing with a quad injury. He played in only nine games.
Leonard has a great relationship with Brown from their days together in San Antonio. Philly would probably have to submit the No. 10 pick, Markelle Fultz and Robert Covington in exchange for a package that would include the two-time all-star. However, trading for him would be risky without first getting a guarantee that he’ll agree to a contract extension. Leonard is set to become a free agent on July 1, 2019.
But Knox believes he’ll be a good fit should the Sixers keep the pick.
“I still got a lot to learn,” he said. “Eighteen years old, I mean I got the highest upside in the draft. That’s what everybody keeps telling me that with my potential, the sky is the limit.”