Knicks · Kyrie to Knicks should be about as easy to Shaq to the Lakers (page 4)
meloshouldgo wrote:fishmike wrote:
But I guess now Kyrie is just a dumb scorer. Yea.. lets pass.This is not Melo
Knicks are building a supporting cast of athletic smart guys. Fans dont want to add one of the leagues best scorers?
While some guys are talking if Kyrie makes sense the rest of us can watch him win game 7 by lighting up GS best defenders. Kyrie made Klay and Draymond look like Melo and Afflalo
I would like to add a scorer that's as committed to defense as he is to scoring. Would you say Kyrie is and elite or an above average defender?
Panos wrote:This clip of plays from just one game is flat out incredible. This isn't someone just hoisting up volume 3pt or long range shots. He's taking it to the rim hard and scoring with hands in his face. Let some of that rub off on KP! I think the pairing would be outstanding.
meloshouldgo wrote:fishmike wrote:
But I guess now Kyrie is just a dumb scorer. Yea.. lets pass.This is not Melo
Knicks are building a supporting cast of athletic smart guys. Fans dont want to add one of the leagues best scorers?
While some guys are talking if Kyrie makes sense the rest of us can watch him win game 7 by lighting up GS best defenders. Kyrie made Klay and Draymond look like Melo and Afflalo
I would like to add a scorer that's as committed to defense as he is to scoring. Would you say Kyrie is and elite or an above average defender?
Great, and it doesn't even address my question, much less answer it.
meloshouldgo wrote:try asking a better questionPanos wrote:This clip of plays from just one game is flat out incredible. This isn't someone just hoisting up volume 3pt or long range shots. He's taking it to the rim hard and scoring with hands in his face. Let some of that rub off on KP! I think the pairing would be outstanding.
meloshouldgo wrote:fishmike wrote:
But I guess now Kyrie is just a dumb scorer. Yea.. lets pass.This is not Melo
Knicks are building a supporting cast of athletic smart guys. Fans dont want to add one of the leagues best scorers?
While some guys are talking if Kyrie makes sense the rest of us can watch him win game 7 by lighting up GS best defenders. Kyrie made Klay and Draymond look like Melo and Afflalo
I would like to add a scorer that's as committed to defense as he is to scoring. Would you say Kyrie is and elite or an above average defender?
Great, and it doesn't even address my question, much less answer it.
martin wrote:franco12 wrote:martin wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:martin wrote:Kind of a mind boggling argument to NOT want Kyrie.I think there will be 3-4 top level guys who you could sign in 2019 for max space that you would want to pursue IF they have not signed with their teams already.
Kyrie, Klay, LeBron, Kawhi. Literally that's it. List others if you have another option, I can't think of any. I don't think the rest of the guys move the needle or are a clear tier down.
LeBron will be 34/35 and won't come to the Knicks, just not enough of a team to get to Finals. I see Klay sticking with GS.
Would the Knicks take Kawhi/Klay over Kyrie? Probably/maybe, if they had the choice... are they more of 2-way players?
I'd say the Knicks would want Kawhi, Kyrie, Klay in that order. And if you could get ANY of them, you do it in a heartbeat, pure upgrade in talent that doesn't cost you outgoing assets.
For me, every deep playoff team needs 1 guy who you can just give the ball to and depend on him to get a bucket. Kawhi/Kyrie fit that to a T, Klay is more of a system guy IMHO.
For all of his defensive and injury deficiencies, you still go after Kryie and if you don't want him a year later, you trade him.
A top level guy that spends the playoffs sitting on bench is deadwood. I would love to get Klay Thompson, though not sure it ever happens. I am just tired of injury riddled players and/or one dimensional chuckers wanting to use the Knicks to line up their pockets for their post basketball years.
That's some nice rhetoric.
Who you signing with the cap space?
that sounds like something Jim Dolan said to Isiah when he was GM!
Let's say Kryie is banged up this year. Nagging stuff, he plays 50 games or so, misses the play offs.
All I am saying- and I think others are too- is it shouldn't be a no brainer to toss max money his way.
Can we save it for a rainy day? Perhaps an opportunity to clear someone else's cap, and collect a few draft picks/assets.
When we get there, if things line up, then yes, I will be excited if we can sign him.
I could see us having enough parts that an impact player like Kyrie can take us to the next level, and its play offs if folks stay healthy.
I think my above posted made it clear: there is a super finite list of players ANY team will be able to sign outright.
What other player you saving your cap space for? And know that it will dwindle to below max if you don't use it.
Name some alternatives.
i would hold on to the cap space till someone who plays defense and also makes the super finite list becomes available. I am not in the business of deciding to do things one way and then changing direction the minute someone who doesn't fit the bill becomes available. Now if we are signing Kyrie to a 2 year deal, I can live with it. But I don't want to be held hostage by the next available chucker for the next five years.
Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Danny Ainge just gave up what he thought was gonna be a top 5 pick, a low level all star (IThomas) and a super role player on one of the team friendly contracts ever (he faded) for a top level guy... because they don't come on the market too often.Exactly.
And he knew if it didn't work his downside risk was till the contract expired in one years time.
fishmike wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:try asking a better questionPanos wrote:This clip of plays from just one game is flat out incredible. This isn't someone just hoisting up volume 3pt or long range shots. He's taking it to the rim hard and scoring with hands in his face. Let some of that rub off on KP! I think the pairing would be outstanding.
meloshouldgo wrote:fishmike wrote:
But I guess now Kyrie is just a dumb scorer. Yea.. lets pass.This is not Melo
Knicks are building a supporting cast of athletic smart guys. Fans dont want to add one of the leagues best scorers?
While some guys are talking if Kyrie makes sense the rest of us can watch him win game 7 by lighting up GS best defenders. Kyrie made Klay and Draymond look like Melo and Afflalo
I would like to add a scorer that's as committed to defense as he is to scoring. Would you say Kyrie is and elite or an above average defender?
Great, and it doesn't even address my question, much less answer it.
So it's not ok to ask if he can play defense at a high level when considering him for the max contract?
meloshouldgo wrote:That isnt what you are asking, so spare me... So its not ok to ask what imaginary players you would like to spend money on?fishmike wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:try asking a better questionPanos wrote:This clip of plays from just one game is flat out incredible. This isn't someone just hoisting up volume 3pt or long range shots. He's taking it to the rim hard and scoring with hands in his face. Let some of that rub off on KP! I think the pairing would be outstanding.
meloshouldgo wrote:fishmike wrote:
But I guess now Kyrie is just a dumb scorer. Yea.. lets pass.This is not Melo
Knicks are building a supporting cast of athletic smart guys. Fans dont want to add one of the leagues best scorers?
While some guys are talking if Kyrie makes sense the rest of us can watch him win game 7 by lighting up GS best defenders. Kyrie made Klay and Draymond look like Melo and Afflalo
I would like to add a scorer that's as committed to defense as he is to scoring. Would you say Kyrie is and elite or an above average defender?
Great, and it doesn't even address my question, much less answer it.
So it's not ok to ask if he can play defense at a high level when considering him for the max contract?
But yea... lets avoid signing chuckers like Kyrie so we can remain flexible to sign the guys you like who dont exist. Your position is clear.
meloshouldgo wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:martin wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:martin wrote:Kind of a mind boggling argument to NOT want Kyrie.I think there will be 3-4 top level guys who you could sign in 2019 for max space that you would want to pursue IF they have not signed with their teams already.
Kyrie, Klay, LeBron, Kawhi. Literally that's it. List others if you have another option, I can't think of any. I don't think the rest of the guys move the needle or are a clear tier down.
LeBron will be 34/35 and won't come to the Knicks, just not enough of a team to get to Finals. I see Klay sticking with GS.
Would the Knicks take Kawhi/Klay over Kyrie? Probably/maybe, if they had the choice... are they more of 2-way players?
I'd say the Knicks would want Kawhi, Kyrie, Klay in that order. And if you could get ANY of them, you do it in a heartbeat, pure upgrade in talent that doesn't cost you outgoing assets.
For me, every deep playoff team needs 1 guy who you can just give the ball to and depend on him to get a bucket. Kawhi/Kyrie fit that to a T, Klay is more of a system guy IMHO.
For all of his defensive and injury deficiencies, you still go after Kryie and if you don't want him a year later, you trade him.
A top level guy that spends the playoffs sitting on bench is deadwood. I would love to get Klay Thompson, though not sure it ever happens. I am just tired of injury riddled players and/or one dimensional chuckers wanting to use the Knicks to line up their pockets for their post basketball years.
That's some nice rhetoric.
Who you signing with the cap space?
that sounds like something Jim Dolan said to Isiah when he was GM!
Let's say Kryie is banged up this year. Nagging stuff, he plays 50 games or so, misses the play offs.
All I am saying- and I think others are too- is it shouldn't be a no brainer to toss max money his way.
Can we save it for a rainy day? Perhaps an opportunity to clear someone else's cap, and collect a few draft picks/assets.
When we get there, if things line up, then yes, I will be excited if we can sign him.
I could see us having enough parts that an impact player like Kyrie can take us to the next level, and its play offs if folks stay healthy.
I think my above posted made it clear: there is a super finite list of players ANY team will be able to sign outright.
What other player you saving your cap space for? And know that it will dwindle to below max if you don't use it.
Name some alternatives.
i would hold on to the cap space till someone who plays defense and also makes the super finite list becomes available. I am not in the business of deciding to do things one way and then changing direction the minute someone who doesn't fit the bill becomes available. Now if we are signing Kyrie to a 2 year deal, I can live with it. But I don't want to be held hostage by the next available chucker for the next five years.
All this talk of no brainer decisions kinda remind me of so many past decisions - Phil with Noah and Rose, Staudemire, Melo (2x over).
There are very few no brainer moves in basketball. Especially for a team like the Knicks who have won 20-30 games for basically the last 20 years.
fishmike wrote:If you dont think Kyrie is a max player you are nuts. He may not be your favorite max player, or your ideal max player, or your dad's favorite max player, but he is a max player and worth it. Role player dont move the needle. They matter when they are good enough to force you to guard players like Kyrie m2m which cant be done. He's gotten hurt and maybe if he was healthy Lebron would have another title, but as we know Kyrie had to sit that one out.Look... if you can sign him you do. That is not up for discussion. He's a generational scorer. He's also just a part. A part that could like:
young core: Frank/Dotson/Knox/Kornet/Hicks and I think we have a couple guys who stick also.
KP you max but wait to take advantage of his cap hold being less than the actual max.You add Kyrie to that mix.
You also have a chance to either upgrade your role players by trading Lance/Lee/Noah's expiring deals for players with longer contracts who may be better, or you let them all expire if it makes sense to keep the cap clean and go after FAs.
I suspect that wont happen as we end up paying some guys we may not have planned on panning out. I suspect Burke might be one of those guys. Even with Kyrie he would both be a great scorer off the bench, backup PG and insurance for Irving.
If you are the Knicks and it only costs cap space you do not hesitate to max out Irving at 26 years old. We are not trading picks, Frank and Dotson for him. Just bringing him in for cash. Man you got a short memory if you think he's not worth it. Also if you look at his #s under Brad Stevens this guy still has another level he can go to. His season was unreal before getting hurt
This x 1000.
Well said.
franco12 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:All this talk of no brainer decisions kinda remind me of so many past decisions - Phil with Noah and Rose, Staudemire, Melo (2x over).martin wrote:i would hold on to the cap space till someone who plays defense and also makes the super finite list becomes available. I am not in the business of deciding to do things one way and then changing direction the minute someone who doesn't fit the bill becomes available. Now if we are signing Kyrie to a 2 year deal, I can live with it. But I don't want to be held hostage by the next available chucker for the next five years.franco12 wrote:I think my above posted made it clear: there is a super finite list of players ANY team will be able to sign outright.martin wrote:that sounds like something Jim Dolan said to Isiah when he was GM!meloshouldgo wrote:That's some nice rhetoric.martin wrote:Kind of a mind boggling argument to NOT want Kyrie.A top level guy that spends the playoffs sitting on bench is deadwood. I would love to get Klay Thompson, though not sure it ever happens. I am just tired of injury riddled players and/or one dimensional chuckers wanting to use the Knicks to line up their pockets for their post basketball years.I think there will be 3-4 top level guys who you could sign in 2019 for max space that you would want to pursue IF they have not signed with their teams already.
Kyrie, Klay, LeBron, Kawhi. Literally that's it. List others if you have another option, I can't think of any. I don't think the rest of the guys move the needle or are a clear tier down.
LeBron will be 34/35 and won't come to the Knicks, just not enough of a team to get to Finals. I see Klay sticking with GS.
Would the Knicks take Kawhi/Klay over Kyrie? Probably/maybe, if they had the choice... are they more of 2-way players?
I'd say the Knicks would want Kawhi, Kyrie, Klay in that order. And if you could get ANY of them, you do it in a heartbeat, pure upgrade in talent that doesn't cost you outgoing assets.
For me, every deep playoff team needs 1 guy who you can just give the ball to and depend on him to get a bucket. Kawhi/Kyrie fit that to a T, Klay is more of a system guy IMHO.
For all of his defensive and injury deficiencies, you still go after Kryie and if you don't want him a year later, you trade him.
Who you signing with the cap space?
Let's say Kryie is banged up this year. Nagging stuff, he plays 50 games or so, misses the play offs.
All I am saying- and I think others are too- is it shouldn't be a no brainer to toss max money his way.
Can we save it for a rainy day? Perhaps an opportunity to clear someone else's cap, and collect a few draft picks/assets.
When we get there, if things line up, then yes, I will be excited if we can sign him.
I could see us having enough parts that an impact player like Kyrie can take us to the next level, and its play offs if folks stay healthy.
What other player you saving your cap space for? And know that it will dwindle to below max if you don't use it.
Name some alternatives.
There are very few no brainer moves in basketball. Especially for a team like the Knicks who have won 20-30 games for basically the last 20 years.
Saying Phil signing Noah and Rose were no brainers, is absurd, and that's not hindsight. I barfed when he made those moves.
There was concern about Stoudmire due to his injuries, but people were on board with the risk, including me.
It's well documented that many people were not happy in the moment, and expressed it for many years about neither the Melo trade, nor the Melo NTC signing, so again, not no-brainer.
Barring MVPs, i don't give an NTC to any player, unless they're giving some huge concession in return, like a big discount.
No brainer for Kyrie, may be overstated given his injuries, but not because of his defensive deficiencies. I think its a move you make. But absolutely no NTC.
meloshouldgo wrote:Great, and it doesn't even address my question, much less answer it.
Was your question not rhetorical?
Panos wrote:yea the bold... cause signing a 26 year old Irving is just like those moves.franco12 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:All this talk of no brainer decisions kinda remind me of so many past decisions - Phil with Noah and Rose, Staudemire, Melo (2x over).martin wrote:i would hold on to the cap space till someone who plays defense and also makes the super finite list becomes available. I am not in the business of deciding to do things one way and then changing direction the minute someone who doesn't fit the bill becomes available. Now if we are signing Kyrie to a 2 year deal, I can live with it. But I don't want to be held hostage by the next available chucker for the next five years.franco12 wrote:I think my above posted made it clear: there is a super finite list of players ANY team will be able to sign outright.martin wrote:that sounds like something Jim Dolan said to Isiah when he was GM!meloshouldgo wrote:That's some nice rhetoric.martin wrote:Kind of a mind boggling argument to NOT want Kyrie.A top level guy that spends the playoffs sitting on bench is deadwood. I would love to get Klay Thompson, though not sure it ever happens. I am just tired of injury riddled players and/or one dimensional chuckers wanting to use the Knicks to line up their pockets for their post basketball years.I think there will be 3-4 top level guys who you could sign in 2019 for max space that you would want to pursue IF they have not signed with their teams already.
Kyrie, Klay, LeBron, Kawhi. Literally that's it. List others if you have another option, I can't think of any. I don't think the rest of the guys move the needle or are a clear tier down.
LeBron will be 34/35 and won't come to the Knicks, just not enough of a team to get to Finals. I see Klay sticking with GS.
Would the Knicks take Kawhi/Klay over Kyrie? Probably/maybe, if they had the choice... are they more of 2-way players?
I'd say the Knicks would want Kawhi, Kyrie, Klay in that order. And if you could get ANY of them, you do it in a heartbeat, pure upgrade in talent that doesn't cost you outgoing assets.
For me, every deep playoff team needs 1 guy who you can just give the ball to and depend on him to get a bucket. Kawhi/Kyrie fit that to a T, Klay is more of a system guy IMHO.
For all of his defensive and injury deficiencies, you still go after Kryie and if you don't want him a year later, you trade him.
Who you signing with the cap space?
Let's say Kryie is banged up this year. Nagging stuff, he plays 50 games or so, misses the play offs.
All I am saying- and I think others are too- is it shouldn't be a no brainer to toss max money his way.
Can we save it for a rainy day? Perhaps an opportunity to clear someone else's cap, and collect a few draft picks/assets.
When we get there, if things line up, then yes, I will be excited if we can sign him.
I could see us having enough parts that an impact player like Kyrie can take us to the next level, and its play offs if folks stay healthy.
What other player you saving your cap space for? And know that it will dwindle to below max if you don't use it.
Name some alternatives.
There are very few no brainer moves in basketball. Especially for a team like the Knicks who have won 20-30 games for basically the last 20 years.
Saying Phil signing Noah and Rose were no brainers, is absurd, and that's not hindsight. I barfed when he made those moves.
There was concern about Stoudmire due to his injuries, but people were on board with the risk, including me.
It's well documented that many people were not happy in the moment, and expressed it for many years about neither the Melo trade, nor the Melo NTC signing, so again, not no-brainer.
Barring MVPs, i don't give an NTC to any player, unless they're giving some huge concession in return, like a big discount.
No brainer for Kyrie, may be overstated given his injuries, but not because of his defensive deficiencies. I think its a move you make. But absolutely no NTC.
AGREE! The rationale that we have to sign Kyrie because there is no one else to sign to the max is a lousy argument... new players emerge, improve and/or change teams... Maybe Frank improves, Trey becomes a great 6th man and Mudiay becomes a player this season. We're young roster and coach-wise... and adding Kyrie doesn't put us in the Finals anyway. I would much rather let the young guys develop and hope that one of them emerges as a second fiddle to KP then stunt all the young guys growth and try to shortcut to become a playoff team. Not saying I wouldn't take Kyrie, but there's a big difference between signing him at a reasonable deal and tying up a huge chunk of the cap for the max. KP will want max and I would be more comfortable giving it to him if he shows he has recovered - he's younger, plays both sides of the ball, etc...
fishmike wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:That isnt what you are asking, so spare me... So its not ok to ask what imaginary players you would like to spend money on?fishmike wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:try asking a better questionPanos wrote:This clip of plays from just one game is flat out incredible. This isn't someone just hoisting up volume 3pt or long range shots. He's taking it to the rim hard and scoring with hands in his face. Let some of that rub off on KP! I think the pairing would be outstanding.
meloshouldgo wrote:fishmike wrote:
But I guess now Kyrie is just a dumb scorer. Yea.. lets pass.This is not Melo
Knicks are building a supporting cast of athletic smart guys. Fans dont want to add one of the leagues best scorers?
While some guys are talking if Kyrie makes sense the rest of us can watch him win game 7 by lighting up GS best defenders. Kyrie made Klay and Draymond look like Melo and Afflalo
I would like to add a scorer that's as committed to defense as he is to scoring. Would you say Kyrie is and elite or an above average defender?
Great, and it doesn't even address my question, much less answer it.
So it's not ok to ask if he can play defense at a high level when considering him for the max contract?
But yea... lets avoid signing chuckers like Kyrie so we can remain flexible to sign the guys you like who dont exist. Your position is clear.
Well, actually that is my position. You don't spend cap space just because u have it. I think staying flexible and waiting for the right type of player to hit the market us more prudent. I am very much focused on the long game.
meloshouldgo wrote:fishmike wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:That isnt what you are asking, so spare me... So its not ok to ask what imaginary players you would like to spend money on?fishmike wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:try asking a better questionPanos wrote:This clip of plays from just one game is flat out incredible. This isn't someone just hoisting up volume 3pt or long range shots. He's taking it to the rim hard and scoring with hands in his face. Let some of that rub off on KP! I think the pairing would be outstanding.
meloshouldgo wrote:fishmike wrote:
But I guess now Kyrie is just a dumb scorer. Yea.. lets pass.This is not Melo
Knicks are building a supporting cast of athletic smart guys. Fans dont want to add one of the leagues best scorers?
While some guys are talking if Kyrie makes sense the rest of us can watch him win game 7 by lighting up GS best defenders. Kyrie made Klay and Draymond look like Melo and Afflalo
I would like to add a scorer that's as committed to defense as he is to scoring. Would you say Kyrie is and elite or an above average defender?
Great, and it doesn't even address my question, much less answer it.
So it's not ok to ask if he can play defense at a high level when considering him for the max contract?
But yea... lets avoid signing chuckers like Kyrie so we can remain flexible to sign the guys you like who dont exist. Your position is clear.
Well, actually that is my position. You don't spend cap space just because u have it. I think staying flexible and waiting for the right type of player to hit the market us more prudent. I am very much focused on the long game.
Which players are you targeting for 2019, 2020, or 2021?
ian begly
"The Knicks have plenty of work to do in order to open a max salary slot for the Summer of 2019. They currently project to have $12 million in cap space in the 2019 offseason if they sign Kristaps Porzingis to a max extension this summer, per ESPN's Bobby Marks. This takes into account the salaries for their 2018 and (projected) 2019 first-round picks and presumes that they waive Lance Thomas, whose salary is guaranteed for $1 million if he's on the roster after June 30, 2019, per Marks. It also presumes that the Knicks renounce all of their rights to their own free agents in the summer of 2019. If the Knicks choose to wait until 2019 to extend Porzingis, they project to have $22 million in space in the scenario above. So they would still need to trade or waive one of the players under contract for 2019-2020 in order to afford a max free agent in 2019. The projected first-year salary for a max free agent with 7-9 years of service - like Kyrie Irving - is $32.7 million in 2019."
martin wrote:Danny Ainge just gave up what he thought was gonna be a top 5 pick, a low level all star (IThomas) and a super role player on one of the team friendly contracts ever (he faded) for a top level guy... because they don't come on the market too often.
They knew Thomas was close to done, but they also had other motivation to do so. The Celtics, like other great teams run well ( Not the Knicks ) understand how important the timing of these acquisitions can be. They needed to acquire their stars before players like Smart, and Rozier became free agents. They would lose whatever cap space they had anyway by resigning those players. Now they get Kyrie and can use bird rights to resign all their bench players.
The problem with the Knicks is they were strapped for draft picks around the years they drafted Porzingis so they missed a huge opportunity to build a young core around him before he was maxed out. Phil Jackson and Mills destroyed this years free agency period with the Noah deal and Hardaway Jr deals but Mills compounded it with Hardaway Jr., pushing the Knicks even further behind. Now the goal needs to be no contracts on the books besides rookie scale deals and Porzingis. Getting rid of everyone thats on the books for next season is the mission for Perry. If someone offers to take on Lee for free, give him away, same goes for Hardaway Jr.. Clear the books, its a fire sale for expiring contracts
martin wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:fishmike wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:That isnt what you are asking, so spare me... So its not ok to ask what imaginary players you would like to spend money on?fishmike wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:try asking a better questionPanos wrote:This clip of plays from just one game is flat out incredible. This isn't someone just hoisting up volume 3pt or long range shots. He's taking it to the rim hard and scoring with hands in his face. Let some of that rub off on KP! I think the pairing would be outstanding.
meloshouldgo wrote:fishmike wrote:
But I guess now Kyrie is just a dumb scorer. Yea.. lets pass.This is not Melo
Knicks are building a supporting cast of athletic smart guys. Fans dont want to add one of the leagues best scorers?
While some guys are talking if Kyrie makes sense the rest of us can watch him win game 7 by lighting up GS best defenders. Kyrie made Klay and Draymond look like Melo and Afflalo
I would like to add a scorer that's as committed to defense as he is to scoring. Would you say Kyrie is and elite or an above average defender?
Great, and it doesn't even address my question, much less answer it.
So it's not ok to ask if he can play defense at a high level when considering him for the max contract?
But yea... lets avoid signing chuckers like Kyrie so we can remain flexible to sign the guys you like who dont exist. Your position is clear.
Well, actually that is my position. You don't spend cap space just because u have it. I think staying flexible and waiting for the right type of player to hit the market us more prudent. I am very much focused on the long game.
Which players are you targeting for 2019, 2020, or 2021?
What I am preaching is flexibility and opportunism, it's the opposite of locking in on one or two players and then outbidding ourselves to make it happen. That last part is how the Knicks have operated for the last several years. If Kwahi becomes an FA or Klay can be traded for, I would definitely jump on it, but I would also make sure I am not overpaying. There's always going to be some "star player" wanting to move. I just want to get the ones that fit our proclaimed team philosophy.
Panos wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Great, and it doesn't even address my question, much less answer it.Was your question not rhetorical?
Of course it was, but why would I psas up an opportunity to give you grief?
Kyrie is a great player but has never played a full season in his 7 years in the league. He usually misses anywhere from 10-30 games:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pla...
Anyway, he's a nice player but not for the Knicks in their current state. He'd be good for a playoff team looking to go to the next level, but not for us, the opportunity cost in terms of developing our own guys and maintaining cap for a true 2 way superstar is too great.
Jmpasq wrote:We don't even have a max cap slot for Kyrie if we extend Porzingis.
ian begly
"The Knicks have plenty of work to do in order to open a max salary slot for the Summer of 2019. They currently project to have $12 million in cap space in the 2019 offseason if they sign Kristaps Porzingis to a max extension this summer, per ESPN's Bobby Marks. This takes into account the salaries for their 2018 and (projected) 2019 first-round picks and presumes that they waive Lance Thomas, whose salary is guaranteed for $1 million if he's on the roster after June 30, 2019, per Marks. It also presumes that the Knicks renounce all of their rights to their own free agents in the summer of 2019. If the Knicks choose to wait until 2019 to extend Porzingis, they project to have $22 million in space in the scenario above. So they would still need to trade or waive one of the players under contract for 2019-2020 in order to afford a max free agent in 2019. The projected first-year salary for a max free agent with 7-9 years of service - like Kyrie Irving - is $32.7 million in 2019."
I kinda wish we had allowed Phil to trade KP.
We're looking at signing him to a cap crushing $150m extension without knowing where he can actually play an entire season without being winded after 20 games.