Basically Jimmy took the worst players on his team and went up against the best, besides him. He whiped the floor of them and talked trash about how the Wolves need him in order to be good. He’s essentially right but just being a loudmouthed and unhumbled douchebag about it.
Not sure wbat to make of this. It’s not like this is Marbury or even Melo. Just losing players. This is a player that makes his team much better.
meloshouldgo@ 10/10/2018 5:45 PM
Send them THJR and Lee and a second rounder for Butler, throw in Lance Thomas if needed. Can that really be worse than Eric Gordon and Tucker? Would that work cap wise?
smackeddog@ 10/10/2018 5:50 PM
No way the Twolves send him to another team in the west after that- he’d whoop their ass 4 times a year and smack them out if they ever made the playoffs.
Basically Jimmy took the worst players on his team and went up against the best, besides him. He whiped the floor of them and talked trash about how the Wolves need him in order to be good. He’s essentially right but just being a loudmouthed and unhumbled douchebag about it.
Not sure wbat to make of this. It’s not like this is Marbury or even Melo. Just losing players. This is a player that makes his team much better.
the guy plays best w a chip on his shoulder and it's a BIG chip right now. too cool for school wiggins got paid; not sure about the depth of his beef with Towns but upset with him too (new mega millionaire)
So rather than just talk (too much and too public IMO) he whips their butt. This is exactly the kind of competitiveness a team needs. Having said that the attitude is too much; he's too old for our timeline etc. But some team will benefit and it won't be the wolves
TheGame@ 10/11/2018 1:14 PM
If we could get Jimmy Butler for like Lee and Trier, I would probably do it. With Butler on the team, we will probably make the playoffs, which would help bring another superstar next summer. The only thing I would not give up is that first round pick.
MS@ 10/11/2018 2:31 PM
Look.
You call the Timberwolves, your offer is Lance Thomas (7.5MM), Lee (12.7MM) and first round pick. Those are their salaries in 19/20. The team just drafted three players that can make the rotation to go along with Frank and KP, you have the youth you need. You either keep Butler or you flip him at the deadline. Either way you have just cleared 20MM in salary on two older players that aren't in the future plans. We need one dog on this team to make the young guys fighters.
First off unless Jimmy resign you don't touch him. Jimmy hurts his knee, KP don't return or is highly regulated and we finish bottom 5 and you gave up Zion for Jimmy the team gonna have a problem.
This "Jimmy bring a star with him" don't fly with me. Not sure who really likes him or not. But I don't give up picks unless Jimmy is the final piece that gets me perhaps over the hump.
Cartman718@ 10/11/2018 2:59 PM
smackeddog wrote:Can’t believe the Twolves would consider Eric Gordon and tucker from the rockets...
why not...?
StarksEwing1@ 10/11/2018 4:02 PM
MS wrote:Look.
You call the Timberwolves, your offer is Lance Thomas (7.5MM), Lee (12.7MM) and first round pick. Those are their salaries in 19/20. The team just drafted three players that can make the rotation to go along with Frank and KP, you have the youth you need. You either keep Butler or you flip him at the deadline. Either way you have just cleared 20MM in salary on two older players that aren't in the future plans. We need one dog on this team to make the young guys fighters.
Nope no more first round picks. Perry and Mills said they arent trading picks
meloshouldgo@ 10/11/2018 7:53 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
MS wrote:Look.
You call the Timberwolves, your offer is Lance Thomas (7.5MM), Lee (12.7MM) and first round pick. Those are their salaries in 19/20. The team just drafted three players that can make the rotation to go along with Frank and KP, you have the youth you need. You either keep Butler or you flip him at the deadline. Either way you have just cleared 20MM in salary on two older players that aren't in the future plans. We need one dog on this team to make the young guys fighters.
Nope no more first round picks. Perry and Mills said they arent trading picks
Absolutely NO to offering any picks. If anything they should send us one to take Butler off their hands. Thw Wolves are complete cluster with Butler right now, they'll jump.
Basically Jimmy took the worst players on his team and went up against the best, besides him. He whiped the floor of them and talked trash about how the Wolves need him in order to be good. He’s essentially right but just being a loudmouthed and unhumbled douchebag about it.
Not sure wbat to make of this. It’s not like this is Marbury or even Melo. Just losing players. This is a player that makes his team much better.
the guy plays best w a chip on his shoulder and it's a BIG chip right now. too cool for school wiggins got paid; not sure about the depth of his beef with Towns but upset with him too (new mega millionaire)
So rather than just talk (too much and too public IMO) he whips their butt. This is exactly the kind of competitiveness a team needs. Having said that the attitude is too much; he's too old for our timeline etc. But some team will benefit and it won't be the wolves
Just because you have a point doesn't mean that you are right.
Several former Lions players threw young QB Joey Harrington under the bus in the press. Harrington was not, nor ever, a good starting QB in the NFL. They had a point, he wasn't good and it was hurting the team. But saying it in public and creating discord for their team wasn't "right" for the team or their teammates.
Butler has a point. Most of his team didn't play hard. It's one thing to lose, it's another to just dog it. But dragging this all in the press isn't right.
I feel the same way about Poppovich, who has said some political stuff in the press. While he might have a point in some cases, it's not right to create a distraction point for your team.
But to be fair to Butler, basically a form of social terrorism on his own team might be the only way into KAT's thick skull.
It might work, but it's not actual leadership. It's more like Butler and KAT are in prison and Butler is channeling his inner Adebisi/Schillinger and wants KAT to hold the pocket of his chinos.
smackeddog@ 10/12/2018 3:45 AM
Cartman718 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Can’t believe the Twolves would consider Eric Gordon and tucker from the rockets...
why not...?
Why? Gordon is 29, injury prone and is posting inflated stats from playing in D'Antoni's system- he's a nice sixth man but an average starter. Tuckers a role player. If that's all you get back for Jimmy Butler (after giving up a top pick that became Markhanan, along with Dunn and LaVine to land him the first place), then good luck with that!
Basically Jimmy took the worst players on his team and went up against the best, besides him. He whiped the floor of them and talked trash about how the Wolves need him in order to be good. He’s essentially right but just being a loudmouthed and unhumbled douchebag about it.
Not sure wbat to make of this. It’s not like this is Marbury or even Melo. Just losing players. This is a player that makes his team much better.
the guy plays best w a chip on his shoulder and it's a BIG chip right now. too cool for school wiggins got paid; not sure about the depth of his beef with Towns but upset with him too (new mega millionaire)
So rather than just talk (too much and too public IMO) he whips their butt. This is exactly the kind of competitiveness a team needs. Having said that the attitude is too much; he's too old for our timeline etc. But some team will benefit and it won't be the wolves
Just because you have a point doesn't mean that you are right.
Several former Lions players threw young QB Joey Harrington under the bus in the press. Harrington was not, nor ever, a good starting QB in the NFL. They had a point, he wasn't good and it was hurting the team. But saying it in public and creating discord for their team wasn't "right" for the team or their teammates.
Butler has a point. Most of his team didn't play hard. It's one thing to lose, it's another to just dog it. But dragging this all in the press isn't right.
I feel the same way about Poppovich, who has said some political stuff in the press. While he might have a point in some cases, it's not right to create a distraction point for your team.
But to be fair to Butler, basically a form of social terrorism on his own team might be the only way into KAT's thick skull.
It might work, but it's not actual leadership. It's more like Butler and KAT are in prison and Butler is channeling his inner Adebisi/Schillinger and wants KAT to hold the pocket of his chinos.
Don't agree with your premise I don't see any evidence of what he did or didn't do before going public with his accusations. Without knowing more it's almost impossible to say whether what he did was right or wrong. I think the more people to speak up about the entrenched culture of coddling all these so-called stars in the NBA, the better it will be for the game.
wargames@ 10/12/2018 10:22 AM
Wolves and Suns are more dysfunctional than the Knicks
Lets add more teams to that list
smackeddog@ 10/12/2018 10:45 AM
The Minnesota Timberwolves and Miami Heat had basically agreed to a trade of Jimmy Butler for Josh Richardson, Dion Waiters and a protected first round pick.
The deal progressed to point of the two teams exchanging medical information, but Tom Thibodeau called the Heat back and asked for additional assets.
"Thibs called back and wanted more picks," said Jorge Sedano. "And Pat Riley, literally, I was told, called him a mother-bleeper and hung up the phone."
Josh Richardson, Waiters (who is plump and out of shape to the point where he's not being allowed to play) and a pick is trash, yet it was Riley who hung up
Cartman718@ 10/12/2018 11:01 AM
smackeddog wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Can’t believe the Twolves would consider Eric Gordon and tucker from the rockets...
why not...?
Why? Gordon is 29, injury prone and is posting inflated stats from playing in D'Antoni's system- he's a nice sixth man but an average starter. Tuckers a role player. If that's all you get back for Jimmy Butler (after giving up a top pick that became Markhanan, along with Dunn and LaVine to land him the first place), then good luck with that!
eric gordon has resurrected his career bigtime...he's str8 out balling. in fact, i nicknamed him the "honey badger" during the playoffs last year to my friends. you're getting a bruising shooting guard who can run with the best of them and plays decent D, and another forward who's a bruiser takes and makes open shots and plays good D.
not sure what's inflated about that, but thats a way better offer than dion "weighters" (read twitter pic), richardson or lance + lee + pick posted in this thread.
Basically Jimmy took the worst players on his team and went up against the best, besides him. He whiped the floor of them and talked trash about how the Wolves need him in order to be good. He’s essentially right but just being a loudmouthed and unhumbled douchebag about it.
Not sure wbat to make of this. It’s not like this is Marbury or even Melo. Just losing players. This is a player that makes his team much better.
the guy plays best w a chip on his shoulder and it's a BIG chip right now. too cool for school wiggins got paid; not sure about the depth of his beef with Towns but upset with him too (new mega millionaire)
So rather than just talk (too much and too public IMO) he whips their butt. This is exactly the kind of competitiveness a team needs. Having said that the attitude is too much; he's too old for our timeline etc. But some team will benefit and it won't be the wolves
Just because you have a point doesn't mean that you are right.
Several former Lions players threw young QB Joey Harrington under the bus in the press. Harrington was not, nor ever, a good starting QB in the NFL. They had a point, he wasn't good and it was hurting the team. But saying it in public and creating discord for their team wasn't "right" for the team or their teammates.
Butler has a point. Most of his team didn't play hard. It's one thing to lose, it's another to just dog it. But dragging this all in the press isn't right.
I feel the same way about Poppovich, who has said some political stuff in the press. While he might have a point in some cases, it's not right to create a distraction point for your team.
But to be fair to Butler, basically a form of social terrorism on his own team might be the only way into KAT's thick skull.
It might work, but it's not actual leadership. It's more like Butler and KAT are in prison and Butler is channeling his inner Adebisi/Schillinger and wants KAT to hold the pocket of his chinos.
I'm actually agreeing with you. I should have been clearer with my parenthetical when I was trying to express Butler is (a) talking too much and (b) definitely so in public. Let his play do the talking
if in practice he's whipping butt of the other "stars" when he's paired with the b-team, that should speak volumes to them. If it doesn't, then mgmt. should know they paid the big money to the wrong people
As a whole I wish the athletes would keep all the drama in-house. they can talk about shit in their memoirs long after they retire. (BTW this goes to KP too -- everyone)
