StarksEwing1 wrote:Last night is a big reason why im such a fan of him. Like Fizdale said he gives you so many different things to help give you a chance to win. In the 3rd quarter when it looked like we were dead he put the ball in his hands and he got 7 straight points putting us back in the game. My only issue is that Fiz didnt put him on LeVert on that final play
One of the writers mentioned that Hardaway and LeVert train together in the offseason. It might have been the case where the coach or Tim felt like he knew his game better.
CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Last night is a big reason why im such a fan of him. Like Fizdale said he gives you so many different things to help give you a chance to win. In the 3rd quarter when it looked like we were dead he put the ball in his hands and he got 7 straight points putting us back in the game. My only issue is that Fiz didnt put him on LeVert on that final play
One of the writers mentioned that Hardaway and LeVert train together in the offseason. It might have been the case where the coach or Tim felt like he knew his game better.
Maybe. I guess because it was at the most critical point of the game you should have your best defender on him. Not that Timmy cant defend because he has improved dramatically from his rookie year
Frank did not have a good game offensively yesterday, primarily because he missed his threes. But man, his impact on defense is noticeable. I saw at least two steals that we got because Boston players were trying to pass to another teammate because Frank had shut them down and was harassing them. They then made a bad pass. Frank needs to get another 10 lbs or so to start to really impose a physicality on opposing players but the kid is going to be a beast defensively. It is no wonder the team plays better defense with him on the floor, even if he is not the one getting the steal. His offense is still a work in progress though.
TheGame wrote:Frank did not have a good game offensively yesterday, primarily because he missed his threes. But man, his impact on defense is noticeable. I saw at least two steals that we got because Boston players were trying to pass to another teammate because Frank had shut them down and was harassing them. They then made a bad pass. Frank needs to get another 10 lbs or so to start to really impose a physicality on opposing players but the kid is going to be a beast defensively. It is no wonder the team plays better defense with him on the floor, even if he is not the one getting the steal. His offense is still a work in progress though.
Similar to Bruce Bowan on the spurs. He wasnt known for offense until later in his career.
The difference is Frank has the mind set of a PG. So his hockey assist are pretty high... Which is why he doesn't show up on the stat sheet. But his impact is huge, if you know basketball.
blkexec wrote:TheGame wrote:Frank did not have a good game offensively yesterday, primarily because he missed his threes. But man, his impact on defense is noticeable. I saw at least two steals that we got because Boston players were trying to pass to another teammate because Frank had shut them down and was harassing them. They then made a bad pass. Frank needs to get another 10 lbs or so to start to really impose a physicality on opposing players but the kid is going to be a beast defensively. It is no wonder the team plays better defense with him on the floor, even if he is not the one getting the steal. His offense is still a work in progress though.
Similar to Bruce Bowan on the spurs. He wasnt known for offense until later in his career.
The difference is Frank has the mind set of a PG. So his hockey assist are pretty high... Which is why he doesn't show up on the stat sheet. But his impact is huge, if you know basketball.
Despite his solid defense, him and lance in the starting line up is killing us on the other end. We're getting off to slow starts, and by half time, the both of them combine for 3 shot attempts no FTA, and like no points. That's the reason he only played 19 minutes last night against boston
In 7 games (including preseason) him and lance have taking like 4 FTA. they have the least amount of FTA and shot attempts then any player in the league playing those minutes..That's gotta change because eventually Trier and Lee will cut into those minutes, which we saw last night with trier getting most of the 4th qtr minutes.
knicks1248 wrote:blkexec wrote:TheGame wrote:Frank did not have a good game offensively yesterday, primarily because he missed his threes. But man, his impact on defense is noticeable. I saw at least two steals that we got because Boston players were trying to pass to another teammate because Frank had shut them down and was harassing them. They then made a bad pass. Frank needs to get another 10 lbs or so to start to really impose a physicality on opposing players but the kid is going to be a beast defensively. It is no wonder the team plays better defense with him on the floor, even if he is not the one getting the steal. His offense is still a work in progress though.
Similar to Bruce Bowan on the spurs. He wasnt known for offense until later in his career.
The difference is Frank has the mind set of a PG. So his hockey assist are pretty high... Which is why he doesn't show up on the stat sheet. But his impact is huge, if you know basketball.
Despite his solid defense, him and lance in the starting line up is killing us on the other end. We're getting off to slow starts, and by half time, the both of them combine for 3 shot attempts no FTA, and like no points. That's the reason he only played 19 minutes last night against boston
In 7 games (including preseason) him and lance have taking like 4 FTA. they have the least amount of FTA and shot attempts then any player in the league playing those minutes..That's gotta change because eventually Trier and Lee will cut into those minutes, which we saw last night with trier getting most of the 4th qtr minutes.
Fizdale loves him starting so get over it. In the Brooklyn game his offense got us back in the game in the 3rd quarter. Last night his shot was off but he isnt backing away from it
StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:blkexec wrote:TheGame wrote:Frank did not have a good game offensively yesterday, primarily because he missed his threes. But man, his impact on defense is noticeable. I saw at least two steals that we got because Boston players were trying to pass to another teammate because Frank had shut them down and was harassing them. They then made a bad pass. Frank needs to get another 10 lbs or so to start to really impose a physicality on opposing players but the kid is going to be a beast defensively. It is no wonder the team plays better defense with him on the floor, even if he is not the one getting the steal. His offense is still a work in progress though.
Similar to Bruce Bowan on the spurs. He wasnt known for offense until later in his career.
The difference is Frank has the mind set of a PG. So his hockey assist are pretty high... Which is why he doesn't show up on the stat sheet. But his impact is huge, if you know basketball.
Despite his solid defense, him and lance in the starting line up is killing us on the other end. We're getting off to slow starts, and by half time, the both of them combine for 3 shot attempts no FTA, and like no points. That's the reason he only played 19 minutes last night against boston
In 7 games (including preseason) him and lance have taking like 4 FTA. they have the least amount of FTA and shot attempts then any player in the league playing those minutes..That's gotta change because eventually Trier and Lee will cut into those minutes, which we saw last night with trier getting most of the 4th qtr minutes.
Fizdale loves him starting so get over it. In the Brooklyn game his offense got us back in the game in the 3rd quarter. Last night his shot was off but he isnt backing away from it
whatever dude, you'll see, your not going to continue to get off to slow starts and don't change something. He's a starter that played 19 minutes, and wasn't in no foul trouble.
AndFiz loves all of his players..
knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:blkexec wrote:TheGame wrote:Frank did not have a good game offensively yesterday, primarily because he missed his threes. But man, his impact on defense is noticeable. I saw at least two steals that we got because Boston players were trying to pass to another teammate because Frank had shut them down and was harassing them. They then made a bad pass. Frank needs to get another 10 lbs or so to start to really impose a physicality on opposing players but the kid is going to be a beast defensively. It is no wonder the team plays better defense with him on the floor, even if he is not the one getting the steal. His offense is still a work in progress though.
Similar to Bruce Bowan on the spurs. He wasnt known for offense until later in his career.
The difference is Frank has the mind set of a PG. So his hockey assist are pretty high... Which is why he doesn't show up on the stat sheet. But his impact is huge, if you know basketball.
Despite his solid defense, him and lance in the starting line up is killing us on the other end. We're getting off to slow starts, and by half time, the both of them combine for 3 shot attempts no FTA, and like no points. That's the reason he only played 19 minutes last night against boston
In 7 games (including preseason) him and lance have taking like 4 FTA. they have the least amount of FTA and shot attempts then any player in the league playing those minutes..That's gotta change because eventually Trier and Lee will cut into those minutes, which we saw last night with trier getting most of the 4th qtr minutes.
Fizdale loves him starting so get over it. In the Brooklyn game his offense got us back in the game in the 3rd quarter. Last night his shot was off but he isnt backing away from it
whatever dude, you'll see, your not going to continue to get off to slow starts and don't change something. He's a starter that played 19 minutes, and wasn't in no foul trouble.
AndFiz loves all of his players..
Well again your track record for being right isnt too good so I will take the word over Fiz instead if you dont mind
TripleThreat wrote:knicks1248 wrote:blkexec wrote:TheGame wrote:Frank did not have a good game offensively yesterday, primarily because he missed his threes. But man, his impact on defense is noticeable. I saw at least two steals that we got because Boston players were trying to pass to another teammate because Frank had shut them down and was harassing them. They then made a bad pass. Frank needs to get another 10 lbs or so to start to really impose a physicality on opposing players but the kid is going to be a beast defensively. It is no wonder the team plays better defense with him on the floor, even if he is not the one getting the steal. His offense is still a work in progress though.
Similar to Bruce Bowan on the spurs. He wasnt known for offense until later in his career.
The difference is Frank has the mind set of a PG. So his hockey assist are pretty high... Which is why he doesn't show up on the stat sheet. But his impact is huge, if you know basketball.
Despite his solid defense, him and lance in the starting line up is killing us on the other end. We're getting off to slow starts, and by half time, the both of them combine for 3 shot attempts no FTA, and like no points. That's the reason he only played 19 minutes last night against boston
In 7 games (including preseason) him and lance have taking like 4 FTA. they have the least amount of FTA and shot attempts then any player in the league playing those minutes..That's gotta change because eventually Trier and Lee will cut into those minutes, which we saw last night with trier getting most of the 4th qtr minutes.
The lack of ball movement is not helping matters. Frank N cannot create his own shot. Burke, Trier and Kanter are still blackholes once they get the ball in their hands.
There are clues that Frank N, over time, might also be able to give some light rim protection help. That's pretty insane from the wing position considering his experience level and that he has close to no scouting book on most of these players.
If Frank N hits 3-4 three point shots a game, he'll be fine. Obviously he needs to work up to that.
While it would be better if he got to the line more, the three point shot and efficiency there is more critical long term.
Was at the game last night and thought there were so many times he could have done just about anything on offense but passed it up. He just cant pull the trigger and lacks confidence to shoot or make a move. Specially if he misses one early, Frank reminds me of guys in college that had good offensive skills but just froze once the game started. Dont blame Fiz for keeping him out down the stretch. And for those that are claiming he had such a positive influence on defense, he was a -22. High on the team by a large margin. Not saying he should stay on the bench but lets all call it the way it is. So far, role player. But its only the third game fellas. Lets wait and see.
HofstraBBall wrote:TripleThreat wrote:knicks1248 wrote:blkexec wrote:TheGame wrote:Frank did not have a good game offensively yesterday, primarily because he missed his threes. But man, his impact on defense is noticeable. I saw at least two steals that we got because Boston players were trying to pass to another teammate because Frank had shut them down and was harassing them. They then made a bad pass. Frank needs to get another 10 lbs or so to start to really impose a physicality on opposing players but the kid is going to be a beast defensively. It is no wonder the team plays better defense with him on the floor, even if he is not the one getting the steal. His offense is still a work in progress though.
Similar to Bruce Bowan on the spurs. He wasnt known for offense until later in his career.
The difference is Frank has the mind set of a PG. So his hockey assist are pretty high... Which is why he doesn't show up on the stat sheet. But his impact is huge, if you know basketball.
Despite his solid defense, him and lance in the starting line up is killing us on the other end. We're getting off to slow starts, and by half time, the both of them combine for 3 shot attempts no FTA, and like no points. That's the reason he only played 19 minutes last night against boston
In 7 games (including preseason) him and lance have taking like 4 FTA. they have the least amount of FTA and shot attempts then any player in the league playing those minutes..That's gotta change because eventually Trier and Lee will cut into those minutes, which we saw last night with trier getting most of the 4th qtr minutes.
The lack of ball movement is not helping matters. Frank N cannot create his own shot. Burke, Trier and Kanter are still blackholes once they get the ball in their hands.
There are clues that Frank N, over time, might also be able to give some light rim protection help. That's pretty insane from the wing position considering his experience level and that he has close to no scouting book on most of these players.
If Frank N hits 3-4 three point shots a game, he'll be fine. Obviously he needs to work up to that.
While it would be better if he got to the line more, the three point shot and efficiency there is more critical long term.
Was at the game last night and thought there were so many times he could have done just about anything on offense but passed it up. He just cant pull the trigger and lacks confidence to shoot or make a move. Specially if he misses one early, Frank reminds me of guys in college that had good offensive skills but just froze once the game started. Dont blame Fiz for keeping him out down the stretch. And for those that are claiming he had such a positive influence on defense, he was a -22. High on the team by a large margin. Not saying he should stay on the bench but lets all call it the way it is. So far, role player. But its only the third game fellas. Lets wait and see.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting he is gonna be a star or all star. However most think he will be and already is a really effective player. Yes his shot was off last night but the important thing is that he is looking to shoot unlike next year. Only 30 years old so it may take another year or two for his offense to blossom. I mean he really got us back in the game against the nets so he has it in him
StarksEwing1 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:TripleThreat wrote:knicks1248 wrote:blkexec wrote:TheGame wrote:Frank did not have a good game offensively yesterday, primarily because he missed his threes. But man, his impact on defense is noticeable. I saw at least two steals that we got because Boston players were trying to pass to another teammate because Frank had shut them down and was harassing them. They then made a bad pass. Frank needs to get another 10 lbs or so to start to really impose a physicality on opposing players but the kid is going to be a beast defensively. It is no wonder the team plays better defense with him on the floor, even if he is not the one getting the steal. His offense is still a work in progress though.
Similar to Bruce Bowan on the spurs. He wasnt known for offense until later in his career.
The difference is Frank has the mind set of a PG. So his hockey assist are pretty high... Which is why he doesn't show up on the stat sheet. But his impact is huge, if you know basketball.
Despite his solid defense, him and lance in the starting line up is killing us on the other end. We're getting off to slow starts, and by half time, the both of them combine for 3 shot attempts no FTA, and like no points. That's the reason he only played 19 minutes last night against boston
In 7 games (including preseason) him and lance have taking like 4 FTA. they have the least amount of FTA and shot attempts then any player in the league playing those minutes..That's gotta change because eventually Trier and Lee will cut into those minutes, which we saw last night with trier getting most of the 4th qtr minutes.
The lack of ball movement is not helping matters. Frank N cannot create his own shot. Burke, Trier and Kanter are still blackholes once they get the ball in their hands.
There are clues that Frank N, over time, might also be able to give some light rim protection help. That's pretty insane from the wing position considering his experience level and that he has close to no scouting book on most of these players.
If Frank N hits 3-4 three point shots a game, he'll be fine. Obviously he needs to work up to that.
While it would be better if he got to the line more, the three point shot and efficiency there is more critical long term.
Was at the game last night and thought there were so many times he could have done just about anything on offense but passed it up. He just cant pull the trigger and lacks confidence to shoot or make a move. Specially if he misses one early, Frank reminds me of guys in college that had good offensive skills but just froze once the game started. Dont blame Fiz for keeping him out down the stretch. And for those that are claiming he had such a positive influence on defense, he was a -22. High on the team by a large margin. Not saying he should stay on the bench but lets all call it the way it is. So far, role player. But its only the third game fellas. Lets wait and see.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting he is gonna be a star or all star. However most think he will be and already is a really effective player. Yes his shot was off last night but the important thing is that he is looking to shoot unlike next year. Only 30 years old so it may take another year or two for his offense to blossom. I mean he really got us back in the game against the nets so he has it in him
Agree. Was defending Fiz's decision down the stretch to keep him out. Think Fiz will continue to encourage aggressive play but will take him out if he fails to do so. Do think it has been better this year. Hopefully his shooting percentage and agressivenes will continue to improve. Imo, it is the only thing that will keep him off the floor on any NBA team.
HofstraBBall wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:TripleThreat wrote:knicks1248 wrote:blkexec wrote:TheGame wrote:Frank did not have a good game offensively yesterday, primarily because he missed his threes. But man, his impact on defense is noticeable. I saw at least two steals that we got because Boston players were trying to pass to another teammate because Frank had shut them down and was harassing them. They then made a bad pass. Frank needs to get another 10 lbs or so to start to really impose a physicality on opposing players but the kid is going to be a beast defensively. It is no wonder the team plays better defense with him on the floor, even if he is not the one getting the steal. His offense is still a work in progress though.
Similar to Bruce Bowan on the spurs. He wasnt known for offense until later in his career.
The difference is Frank has the mind set of a PG. So his hockey assist are pretty high... Which is why he doesn't show up on the stat sheet. But his impact is huge, if you know basketball.
Despite his solid defense, him and lance in the starting line up is killing us on the other end. We're getting off to slow starts, and by half time, the both of them combine for 3 shot attempts no FTA, and like no points. That's the reason he only played 19 minutes last night against boston
In 7 games (including preseason) him and lance have taking like 4 FTA. they have the least amount of FTA and shot attempts then any player in the league playing those minutes..That's gotta change because eventually Trier and Lee will cut into those minutes, which we saw last night with trier getting most of the 4th qtr minutes.
The lack of ball movement is not helping matters. Frank N cannot create his own shot. Burke, Trier and Kanter are still blackholes once they get the ball in their hands.
There are clues that Frank N, over time, might also be able to give some light rim protection help. That's pretty insane from the wing position considering his experience level and that he has close to no scouting book on most of these players.
If Frank N hits 3-4 three point shots a game, he'll be fine. Obviously he needs to work up to that.
While it would be better if he got to the line more, the three point shot and efficiency there is more critical long term.
Was at the game last night and thought there were so many times he could have done just about anything on offense but passed it up. He just cant pull the trigger and lacks confidence to shoot or make a move. Specially if he misses one early, Frank reminds me of guys in college that had good offensive skills but just froze once the game started. Dont blame Fiz for keeping him out down the stretch. And for those that are claiming he had such a positive influence on defense, he was a -22. High on the team by a large margin. Not saying he should stay on the bench but lets all call it the way it is. So far, role player. But its only the third game fellas. Lets wait and see.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting he is gonna be a star or all star. However most think he will be and already is a really effective player. Yes his shot was off last night but the important thing is that he is looking to shoot unlike next year. Only 30 years old so it may take another year or two for his offense to blossom. I mean he really got us back in the game against the nets so he has it in him
Agree. Was defending Fiz's decision down the stretch to keep him out. Think Fiz will continue to encourage aggressive play but will take him out if he fails to do so. Do think it has been better this year. Hopefully his shooting percentage and agressivenes will continue to improve. Imo, it is the only thing that will keep him off the floor on any NBA team.
You make good points. However he should of been on the floor. Tatum and irving got to the hoop at will. Luckily irving was horrible last night
Fiz needs to give Frank the green light to shoot whenever he gets the ball like with Knox. Do that and he’ll be fine
CrushAlot wrote:Cartman718 wrote:Fiz needs to give Frank the green light to shoot whenever he gets the ball like with Knox. Do that and he'll be fine
I think he has it.
Agreed...seems to me the whole team has the green light...if you are open, shoot it. Frank just doesn't have that aggressive offensive mentality yet...
CrushAlot wrote:Cartman718 wrote:Fiz needs to give Frank the green light to shoot whenever he gets the ball like with Knox. Do that and he'll be fine
I think he has it.
Of course he has, frank said it himself, "the coach wants me to more aggressive"
Some of you keep saying he's getting better, but his numbers from his first 3 games last yr are slightly better, he actually took more shots and played less minutes, shot a higher percentage. As of today he is shooting 34%, 27% on 3's and has still not taking a FT..
That is considered a major liability on offense
knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Cartman718 wrote:Fiz needs to give Frank the green light to shoot whenever he gets the ball like with Knox. Do that and he'll be fine
I think he has it.
Of course he has, frank said it himself, "the coach wants me to more aggressive"
Some of you keep saying he's getting better, but his numbers from his first 3 games last yr are slightly better, he actually took more shots and played less minutes, shot a higher percentage. As of today he is shooting 34%, 27% on 3's and has still not taking a FT..
That is considered a major liability on offense
gotta be a little fair its only 3 games. Plus of course you dont mention the net game where his offense got us back in the game in the 3rd quarter. Fiz admitted he put the ball in his hands which he needs to do more
StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Cartman718 wrote:Fiz needs to give Frank the green light to shoot whenever he gets the ball like with Knox. Do that and he'll be fine
I think he has it.
Of course he has, frank said it himself, "the coach wants me to more aggressive"
Some of you keep saying he's getting better, but his numbers from his first 3 games last yr are slightly better, he actually took more shots and played less minutes, shot a higher percentage. As of today he is shooting 34%, 27% on 3's and has still not taking a FT..
That is considered a major liability on offense
gotta be a little fair its only 3 games. Plus of course you dont mention the net game where his offense got us back in the game in the 3rd quarter. Fiz admitted he put the ball in his hands which he needs to do more
It is only 3 games but it was a big concern all of last year. The Net game was great but he didn't score in the first half.
knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Cartman718 wrote:Fiz needs to give Frank the green light to shoot whenever he gets the ball like with Knox. Do that and he'll be fine
I think he has it.
Of course he has, frank said it himself, "the coach wants me to more aggressive"
Some of you keep saying he's getting better, but his numbers from his first 3 games last yr are slightly better, he actually took more shots and played less minutes, shot a higher percentage. As of today he is shooting 34%, 27% on 3's and has still not taking a FT..
That is considered a major liability on offense
Do you have his stats/percentages on results on drives to baskets before making such stupid comments? Eye test says that almost always this season whenever he drove to basket he scored. Is it his fault that he was able to finish without contact? Is it his fault that his arms are so long there's no chance of his defender blocking him on drives to baskets?
Similarly if he's taking a wide open jump shot, how do you expect him to get fouled and take a FT?
I think he has missed on drives to baskets once or twice in the 3 games and never been fouled on a jump shot.
And scored much more than that. You are being exposed as having an agenda, rather than looking at actually whats happening on the court or looking at only box score vs advanced basketball stats.
At the moment, Frank is not taking as many shots as we would all like for him to take. At the moment we have played less than 4% of the season so lots of time for improvement. And this is his second year at 20 years old.
StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Cartman718 wrote:Fiz needs to give Frank the green light to shoot whenever he gets the ball like with Knox. Do that and he'll be fine
I think he has it.
Of course he has, frank said it himself, "the coach wants me to more aggressive"
Some of you keep saying he's getting better, but his numbers from his first 3 games last yr are slightly better, he actually took more shots and played less minutes, shot a higher percentage. As of today he is shooting 34%, 27% on 3's and has still not taking a FT..
That is considered a major liability on offense
gotta be a little fair its only 3 games. Plus of course you dont mention the net game where his offense got us back in the game in the 3rd quarter. Fiz admitted he put the ball in his hands which he needs to do more
his lack off offense is what put us behind
I would take trae youngs (same age as frank) 35 pts and 11 ast over franks decent defense,5 points and 2 steals.
If Dotson comes in and does his thing along with trier, eventually you,re going to have to reduce franks minutes.
Fiz is all about earning your role. You need to stopped with giving him excuse for his horrible offense just like you don't give morio excuses for being a suspect defender
