After last nights mess up, Suns and Wiz have sorted out a trade without the Griz:
I presume this is a chemistry move for the Wiz to try and sort out their locker room. Suns get a PG who expires after this season, and Oubre. Maybe they trade away Josh Jackson in another deal.
smackeddog wrote:After last nights mess up, Suns and Wiz have sorted out a trade without the Griz:I presume this is a chemistry move for the Wiz to try and sort out their locker room. Suns get a PG who expires after this season, and Oubre. Maybe they trade away Josh Jackson in another deal.
They weren't going to resign Oubre, so this trade makes sense. I don't think he was the cause of the chemistry problems. People worry about his off the court interests being distracting. But he doesn't sound like a bad teammate. I doubt this moves the Wiz past mediocrity. I wonder if we could bring Josh Jackson in for two second-rounders?
Pacers/Raptors is a war. Wound be a great ecf. Raps have a great home court.
Raps/Pacers was an amazing game. Great to see two teams get after it on d like these teams. Green was a huge addition for the raps. Turner and Oladipo are going to be very good for a long time.
What the hell is up in Brooklyn? Reverse Tank? Watch them just miss the playoffs and get the #1 anyway...
Rochester's Thomas Bryant is having a great game for the Wizards.
Wizards showed a lot of character to get the win. Beal and Bryant were amazing.
jrodmc wrote:What the hell is up in Brooklyn? Reverse Tank? Watch them just miss the playoffs and get the #1 anyway...
so if your not a championship contender you should just tank..wtf kind of thinking is that,
They have a system and a style, and the right kind of role players that fit there system..wtf do we have?
knicks1248 wrote:jrodmc wrote:What the hell is up in Brooklyn? Reverse Tank? Watch them just miss the playoffs and get the #1 anyway...
so if your not a championship contender you should just tank..wtf kind of thinking is that,
They have a system and a style, and the right kind of role players that fit there system..wtf do we have?
Nets have their own pick for the first time in years. Losing gives them a higher chance of a higher pick, which their franchise badly needs right now (I'll wager they miss out in free agency). If you're not a championship contender and aren't really a playoff contender then yes you need to tank to give yourself the best shot at adding talent to your roster.
Interesting note in regards to trading for Antonio Davis:
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/12/26/anthon...The Celtics are lined up as the Lakers' prime competition for Davis, but due to a quirk in the collective bargaining agreement, they cannot trade for him as long as Kyrie Irving is also playing under a designated player extension -- effectively until July 1.
Means if Boston to make Davis trade, it would have to be AFTER they make their first round picks this coming draft.
knicks1248 wrote:jrodmc wrote:What the hell is up in Brooklyn? Reverse Tank? Watch them just miss the playoffs and get the #1 anyway...
so if your not a championship contender you should just tank..wtf kind of thinking is that,
They have a system and a style, and the right kind of role players that fit there system..wtf do we have?
But you always say that it tanking creates bad habits and its not a good thing. Other than you likely don't care about the nets, why is it good for them to tank but not us?
They have a style and a system because they have had the same coach now a while and a few players they are committing to. Your seeing results and thus can say its a system. We have a system but little results so your label its nothing. Because of that Nets are a bit further ahead in one area, but they did not draft deep young talent. They got Lavert and Dinwiddle along with Russell and were patient with them over two years. You get not half a season into a new era and your all up in arms aflame in your distain.
smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:jrodmc wrote:What the hell is up in Brooklyn? Reverse Tank? Watch them just miss the playoffs and get the #1 anyway...
so if your not a championship contender you should just tank..wtf kind of thinking is that,
They have a system and a style, and the right kind of role players that fit there system..wtf do we have?
Nets have their own pick for the first time in years. Losing gives them a higher chance of a higher pick, which their franchise badly needs right now (I'll wager they miss out in free agency). If you're not a championship contender and aren't really a playoff contender then yes you need to tank to give yourself the best shot at adding talent to your roster.
This sounds like a typical knick still thinkING the draft is the only way out of misery..
the NETS players are progressing and developing nicely and it shows in the win loss column.
Mills said hE's pretty happy with our development, because our guys are not getting down on themselves after losses...Thats a good sign for him....LMFAO..THEY DONT GIVE A FCK WHETHER THEY LOSE OR NOT..
martin wrote:Interesting note in regards to trading for Antonio Davis:https://www.si.com/nba/2018/12/26/anthon...The Celtics are lined up as the Lakers' prime competition for Davis, but due to a quirk in the collective bargaining agreement, they cannot trade for him as long as Kyrie Irving is also playing under a designated player extension -- effectively until July 1.
Means if Boston to make Davis trade, it would have to be AFTER they make their first round picks this coming draft.
Did you think Boston would make a run this season for davis? No doubt Celtics are a bit overloaded with Talent and the redundancy is not easy to manage along with egos and expiring contracts.
They are prime to make a big deal.
In my fantasy pea brain I see one thing we have that could be attractive to the Pels and its KP. Im not down for trading him but for AD that's a different story. Pel get back a star they can sell to their fan/ticketbuyer/sponsers. Lakes and Celtics don't have that. Its not straight up deal as we'd have to send something else but usually you trade a top tier player you want an allstar in return and another starter. Lakers have Ingram, ball and Kuzma. Nice young core but no allstar. Celtics I doubt trade Haywood and could move Tatum as its centerpiece but he is not an allstar. The kid might still be an alltime great but that's not something you can sell right away. Trading Davis for picks and prospects is deflating to its fan base. Nola has yet to taste success as a franchise and thus has to still look at things not exclusively as winning formula but as an entertainment company.
KP would have to be resigned and be down with that move. Im not saying it will happen at all, but just a scenario that makes sense for the Pel's. I really don't know if Pels are thinking like this or down to do a deep long change with yoot and picks. If so then Im way off base.
knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:jrodmc wrote:What the hell is up in Brooklyn? Reverse Tank? Watch them just miss the playoffs and get the #1 anyway...
so if your not a championship contender you should just tank..wtf kind of thinking is that,
They have a system and a style, and the right kind of role players that fit there system..wtf do we have?
Nets have their own pick for the first time in years. Losing gives them a higher chance of a higher pick, which their franchise badly needs right now (I'll wager they miss out in free agency). If you're not a championship contender and aren't really a playoff contender then yes you need to tank to give yourself the best shot at adding talent to your roster.
This sounds like a typical knick still thinkING the draft is the only way out of misery..
the NETS players are progressing and developing nicely and it shows in the win loss column.
Mills said hE's pretty happy with our development, because our guys are not getting down on themselves after losses...Thats a good sign for him....LMFAO..THEY DONT GIVE A FCK WHETHER THEY LOSE OR NOT..
When has the knicks built a team thru the draft and stayed with it?
and if its been a while, how can you call it "Typical"?
Typical was the 54 win woodson starphuch retirement season you so lovingly like to recall.
Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:jrodmc wrote:What the hell is up in Brooklyn? Reverse Tank? Watch them just miss the playoffs and get the #1 anyway...
so if your not a championship contender you should just tank..wtf kind of thinking is that,
They have a system and a style, and the right kind of role players that fit there system..wtf do we have?
Nets have their own pick for the first time in years. Losing gives them a higher chance of a higher pick, which their franchise badly needs right now (I'll wager they miss out in free agency). If you're not a championship contender and aren't really a playoff contender then yes you need to tank to give yourself the best shot at adding talent to your roster.
This sounds like a typical knick still thinkING the draft is the only way out of misery..
the NETS players are progressing and developing nicely and it shows in the win loss column.
Mills said hE's pretty happy with our development, because our guys are not getting down on themselves after losses...Thats a good sign for him....LMFAO..THEY DONT GIVE A FCK WHETHER THEY LOSE OR NOT..
When has the knicks built a team thru the draft and stayed with it?
and if its been a while, how can you call it "Typical"?
Typical was the 54 win woodson starphuch retirement season you so lovingly like to recall.
It's been awhile. Like 30 years. Howsabout listing the 1st round draft picks since Ewing the knicks were supposed to build a team around?
I think "Typical" is a reference to the prevailing fandom approach to collecting shiny new things via the lottery and then rooting brainlessly for home-cooking as opposed to inheriting or buying other people's stuff.
54 wins and a division title is all we have to show since Ewing/Sprewell. Unless a star with a cool nickname and being in the lottery every year is your preference.
Which leads to even more new shiny things, I get it.
And yes, I'll be the first on the shiny thing brainlessly rooting bandwagon should someone fix the ping pong balls so we get the new Jesus of Mount Zion. The Golden Zoobie?
jrodmc wrote:Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:jrodmc wrote:What the hell is up in Brooklyn? Reverse Tank? Watch them just miss the playoffs and get the #1 anyway...
so if your not a championship contender you should just tank..wtf kind of thinking is that,
They have a system and a style, and the right kind of role players that fit there system..wtf do we have?
Nets have their own pick for the first time in years. Losing gives them a higher chance of a higher pick, which their franchise badly needs right now (I'll wager they miss out in free agency). If you're not a championship contender and aren't really a playoff contender then yes you need to tank to give yourself the best shot at adding talent to your roster.
This sounds like a typical knick still thinkING the draft is the only way out of misery..
the NETS players are progressing and developing nicely and it shows in the win loss column.
Mills said hE's pretty happy with our development, because our guys are not getting down on themselves after losses...Thats a good sign for him....LMFAO..THEY DONT GIVE A FCK WHETHER THEY LOSE OR NOT..
When has the knicks built a team thru the draft and stayed with it?
and if its been a while, how can you call it "Typical"?
Typical was the 54 win woodson starphuch retirement season you so lovingly like to recall.
It's been awhile. Like 30 years. Howsabout listing the 1st round draft picks since Ewing the knicks were supposed to build a team around?
I think "Typical" is a reference to the prevailing fandom approach to collecting shiny new things via the lottery and then rooting brainlessly for home-cooking as opposed to inheriting or buying other people's stuff.
54 wins and a division title is all we have to show since Ewing/Sprewell. Unless a star with a cool nickname and being in the lottery every year is your preference.
Which leads to even more new shiny things, I get it.
And yes, I'll be the first on the shiny thing brainlessly rooting bandwagon should someone fix the ping pong balls so we get the new Jesus of Mount Zion. The Golden Zoobie?
Wait, did you let Melo in the room? you did. Melo, Amare, Dice, Marbles and even Phil......All the shiny new things anointed into a savior.
Rainman is simple. He wants to win. He prefers we hire winners. Instead we hired people who have yet to win. Life uncertain.
Funny, once upon a time we had a guy named Eddie Donovan who was the GM, and with Holzmans input they drafted a traded to build a winner. They even turned Bill Bradley who was a rookie bust and made him into a HOF. How? Patience.
Eddie took a pay check and went to manage the buffalo Braves and Red eventually retired. Then Both came back and it was awful. The knicks starphuched themselves! No antidotal evidence or lesson other than hiring a winner is not a formula for success. Have to start a culture and it takes time. We tried with Willis Reed but great players don't always make for effective coaches. The one we missed on was Phil Jax. We starphuched and did not build our culture from within. Debussure was a great player and a knick God, but other than lady luck on Ewing what did he really do? Not his fault, but he too was a starphuch. He did not have the experience at that level. WE bought him in after he was brief commish of the floundering ABA who themselves needed a face.
SAS hired Pop who had no real experience other than proved himself in the Larry Brown Tree. Riley In NY was great but we could not keep him, instead JVG and Thibs was in his tree. For that matter Fiz via Riles and Spolestra. So Rainman1248 should be happy. But he is not. The great ones rarely bring the greatness with them, its either cultivated or inherited. Kudo's to Dumars in Detroit but did he inherit it? He could not Sustain it or duplicate it elsewhere. Knicks starphucked with Isiah and it was a bloody disaster!!!
JRod, I don't blame Melo as you know. I blame the circumstance he was put into. Maybe only Lebron could have made that work. Jordan had Pippen. Kobe had Shack and Gasol. Melo has JR Smith and deteriorating Amare. Woodson mirage season was a retirement party.
Patience. Ainge has been in boston a long time now. He as not without his critics for a while.
You can do that in Boston because they have quite the resume. Its why Yankees can rebuild. They were patient.
Knick fans have little faith to back on nor a culture to breed. Because guys like knicks1248 are impatient, short sighted and incoherent about what the knicks are doing it actually gives me some validity we are on the right path. Longing for the starphuch is like starving but wanting candy. empty calories.
Make no bones about it, the knicks are a hot mess right now. We have prospects and a future. Its Fuzzy and no words can bring it to focus. there are prayers too!!
