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Because we're not going anywhere with this team
It is important that we finish between the top 3 teams with the worst recored in the league-Develop the young players
GET ZION or others
And make room for more money for free agents - TRADE LEE/TIM/BURKE

nadavshomron wrote:Because we're not going anywhere with this team
It is important that we finish between the top 3 teams with the worst recored in the league-Develop the young players
GET ZION or others
And make room for more money for free agents - TRADE LEE/TIM/BURKE

We need to finsih with the worst record because the league will screw us and drop us as far as we can fall.

But but, what about winning those 4-5 games in the spring, right before playoffs. You know teams resting their best players like Spurs used to with TD. You mean we shouldn't win those? But its a long lasting Knick tradition going back, what, 18 years? :Sad panda:

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Knicks have the second best lottery odds as of this morning. Here are their full pick odds via @tankathon

1st - 13.5%
2nd - 13.0%
3rd - 12.5%
4th - 11.8%
5th - 28.5%
6th - 20.7%

In other words, the Knicks still have a 49.2% chance of picking 5th or 6th

Jmpasq wrote:

nadavshomron wrote:Because we're not going anywhere with this team
It is important that we finish between the top 3 teams with the worst recored in the league-Develop the young players
GET ZION or others
And make room for more money for free agents - TRADE LEE/TIM/BURKE

We need to finsih with the worst record because the league will screw us and drop us as far as we can fall.

Correct- this is my thinking too! Don't care about the % chance of landing the first pick because we all know we'll never win it, what does matter is we reduce our ability to fall in the draft, because we all know we're going to fall! If we land with the worst record, likely we'll fall to 4 or 5. If we end up with the 3rd worst record, likely we'll fall to our usual spot of 7 or 8.

smackeddog wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

nadavshomron wrote:Because we're not going anywhere with this team
It is important that we finish between the top 3 teams with the worst recored in the league-Develop the young players
GET ZION or others
And make room for more money for free agents - TRADE LEE/TIM/BURKE

We need to finsih with the worst record because the league will screw us and drop us as far as we can fall.

Correct- this is my thinking too! Don't care about the % chance of landing the first pick because we all know we'll never win it, what does matter is we reduce our ability to fall in the draft, because we all know we're going to fall! If we land with the worst record, likely we'll fall to 4 or 5. If we end up with the 3rd worst record, likely we'll fall to our usual spot of 7 or 8.

In the past Cleveland losing LeBron has resulted in the Cavs getting 3/4 number one overall draft picks during his tenure in Miami. Hard to imagine a scenario where they don't 'win' the #1 overall pick this year.

smackeddog wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

nadavshomron wrote:Because we're not going anywhere with this team
It is important that we finish between the top 3 teams with the worst recored in the league-Develop the young players
GET ZION or others
And make room for more money for free agents - TRADE LEE/TIM/BURKE

We need to finsih with the worst record because the league will screw us and drop us as far as we can fall.

Correct- this is my thinking too! Don't care about the % chance of landing the first pick because we all know we'll never win it, what does matter is we reduce our ability to fall in the draft, because we all know we're going to fall! If we land with the worst record, likely we'll fall to 4 or 5. If we end up with the 3rd worst record, likely we'll fall to our usual spot of 7 or 8.

Ha, as if to prove my point, I tried Tankathon and we were the only team to fall. And by 3 spots all the way down to 5!

CrushAlot wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

nadavshomron wrote:Because we're not going anywhere with this team
It is important that we finish between the top 3 teams with the worst recored in the league-Develop the young players
GET ZION or others
And make room for more money for free agents - TRADE LEE/TIM/BURKE

We need to finsih with the worst record because the league will screw us and drop us as far as we can fall.

Correct- this is my thinking too! Don't care about the % chance of landing the first pick because we all know we'll never win it, what does matter is we reduce our ability to fall in the draft, because we all know we're going to fall! If we land with the worst record, likely we'll fall to 4 or 5. If we end up with the 3rd worst record, likely we'll fall to our usual spot of 7 or 8.

In the past Cleveland losing LeBron has resulted in the Cavs getting 3/4 number one overall draft picks during his tenure in Miami. Hard to imagine a scenario where they don't 'win' the #1 overall pick this year.

Ha, the Cavs just landed the no.1 when I tried talkathon's lottery sim (and we fell 3 spots)- that's how it's going to go down!

how many lottery picks currently on this roster that has 9 wins in 34 games..

we have drafted 3 top 10 picks (kp/knox/frank) in the last 4 yrs and we are headed back to another.

No team in the NBA has more lottery picks on their roster than the knicks..

Just trade what ever assets you have for the pick that will have the biggest impact..

knicks1248 wrote:how many lottery picks currently on this roster that has 9 wins in 34 games..

we have drafted 3 top 10 picks (kp/knox/frank) in the last 4 yrs and we are headed back to another.

No team in the NBA has more lottery picks on their roster than the knicks..

Just trade what ever assets you have for the pick that will have the biggest impact..

You’re genuinely clueless- now you’re citing KP as proof lottery picks don’t work?! Lol!

Need top 1 (Zion) or maybe 2 (Barrett) anyway as the drop off in talent is big from 1 to 2 and even worse after that so say "the experts."

Top 3 may not do it.

PresIke wrote:Need top 1 (Zion) or maybe 2 (Barrett) anyway as the drop off in talent is big from 1 to 2 and even worse after that so say "the experts."

Top 3 may not do it.

Well fortunately, according to knicks1248, all lottery picks are the same and there's no benefit at all of having a higher pick so we should be fine!

PresIke wrote:Need top 1 (Zion) or maybe 2 (Barrett) anyway as the drop off in talent is big from 1 to 2 and even worse after that so say "the experts."

Top 3 may not do it.

You're sleeping on Cam Reddish. I think he's a darkhouse as far as being the best pro in the draft.

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:how many lottery picks currently on this roster that has 9 wins in 34 games..

we have drafted 3 top 10 picks (kp/knox/frank) in the last 4 yrs and we are headed back to another.

No team in the NBA has more lottery picks on their roster than the knicks..

Just trade what ever assets you have for the pick that will have the biggest impact..

You’re genuinely clueless- now you’re citing KP as proof lottery picks don’t work?! Lol!

If thats what you got out of this statement your the clueless one

Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer
The Knicks lost to Milwaukee by 16 on Thursday and have dropped 11 of 12. New York currently has the second-worst record in the NBA. Luke Kornet had 23 points (7-11 3PT) and 5 assists vs. MIL in his first start of the season. Noah Vonleh had 15 points, 13 rebounds and defended well.

Maybe your enjoying the progress of our players who have a couple good games, and 15 bad ones..
Im not, and im not looking fwd and to another 19 yr old being mentored by a 20 yr old..

for the 2nd yr in a row, there's no progress dude, still no defense, still no system and the players look no better with the exception of Mudiay..

If we had a record like dallas or the kings, thats progress, thats development, tanking in a yr the draft gives you less of chance to get the top spot..

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:how many lottery picks currently on this roster that has 9 wins in 34 games..

we have drafted 3 top 10 picks (kp/knox/frank) in the last 4 yrs and we are headed back to another.

No team in the NBA has more lottery picks on their roster than the knicks..

Just trade what ever assets you have for the pick that will have the biggest impact..

You’re genuinely clueless- now you’re citing KP as proof lottery picks don’t work?! Lol!

If thats what you got out of this statement your the clueless one

Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer
The Knicks lost to Milwaukee by 16 on Thursday and have dropped 11 of 12. New York currently has the second-worst record in the NBA. Luke Kornet had 23 points (7-11 3PT) and 5 assists vs. MIL in his first start of the season. Noah Vonleh had 15 points, 13 rebounds and defended well.

Maybe your enjoying the progress of our players who have a couple good games, and 15 bad ones..
Im not, and im not looking fwd and to another 19 yr old being mentored by a 20 yr old..

for the 2nd yr in a row, there's no progress dude, still no defense, still no system and the players look no better with the exception of Mudiay..

If we had a record like dallas or the kings, thats progress, thats development, tanking in a yr the draft gives you less of chance to get the top spot..

We get it dude you dont believe in drafting or the youth movement. We all want to win BUT this is the reality of being a young team missing our top player. By the way we have had a lot of kids making progress like knox trier and dotson.

NardDogNation wrote:

PresIke wrote:Need top 1 (Zion) or maybe 2 (Barrett) anyway as the drop off in talent is big from 1 to 2 and even worse after that so say "the experts."

Top 3 may not do it.

You're sleeping on Cam Reddish. I think he's a darkhouse as far as being the best pro in the draft.

Yeah I feel similar. I think there are a couple sleepers this year. Couple kids who may be raw but have a higher ceiling

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:how many lottery picks currently on this roster that has 9 wins in 34 games..

we have drafted 3 top 10 picks (kp/knox/frank) in the last 4 yrs and we are headed back to another.

No team in the NBA has more lottery picks on their roster than the knicks..

Just trade what ever assets you have for the pick that will have the biggest impact..

You’re genuinely clueless- now you’re citing KP as proof lottery picks don’t work?! Lol!

If thats what you got out of this statement your the clueless one

Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer
The Knicks lost to Milwaukee by 16 on Thursday and have dropped 11 of 12. New York currently has the second-worst record in the NBA. Luke Kornet had 23 points (7-11 3PT) and 5 assists vs. MIL in his first start of the season. Noah Vonleh had 15 points, 13 rebounds and defended well.

Maybe your enjoying the progress of our players who have a couple good games, and 15 bad ones..
Im not, and im not looking fwd and to another 19 yr old being mentored by a 20 yr old..

for the 2nd yr in a row, there's no progress dude, still no defense, still no system and the players look no better with the exception of Mudiay..

If we had a record like dallas or the kings, thats progress, thats development, tanking in a yr the draft gives you less of chance to get the top spot..

We get it dude you dont believe in drafting or the youth movement. We all want to win BUT this is the reality of being a young team missing our top player. By the way we have had a lot of kids making progress like knox trier and dotson.

No one on this team has been consistent, not even those guys..whats worse is that we have a roster full of very low IQ players, so they are not even learning from each other.

we suck in every aspect of the game REBOUNDING, PASSING, PACE, 3 POINT SHOOTING, DEFENSE = No Identity, are you REALLY going to debate that.

YOU Call out 3 guys on a roster of 15, none of these guys complement each other, its just a poorly put together team, that never had chance.

we should be focusing 3 or 4 young guys learning from vets..not a team full of rejects, that are not in your future plans

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:how many lottery picks currently on this roster that has 9 wins in 34 games..

we have drafted 3 top 10 picks (kp/knox/frank) in the last 4 yrs and we are headed back to another.

No team in the NBA has more lottery picks on their roster than the knicks..

Just trade what ever assets you have for the pick that will have the biggest impact..

You’re genuinely clueless- now you’re citing KP as proof lottery picks don’t work?! Lol!

If thats what you got out of this statement your the clueless one

Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer
The Knicks lost to Milwaukee by 16 on Thursday and have dropped 11 of 12. New York currently has the second-worst record in the NBA. Luke Kornet had 23 points (7-11 3PT) and 5 assists vs. MIL in his first start of the season. Noah Vonleh had 15 points, 13 rebounds and defended well.

Maybe your enjoying the progress of our players who have a couple good games, and 15 bad ones..
Im not, and im not looking fwd and to another 19 yr old being mentored by a 20 yr old..

for the 2nd yr in a row, there's no progress dude, still no defense, still no system and the players look no better with the exception of Mudiay..

If we had a record like dallas or the kings, thats progress, thats development, tanking in a yr the draft gives you less of chance to get the top spot..

We get it dude you dont believe in drafting or the youth movement. We all want to win BUT this is the reality of being a young team missing our top player. By the way we have had a lot of kids making progress like knox trier and dotson.

No one on this team has been consistent, not even those guys..whats worse is that we have a roster full of very low IQ players, so they are not even learning from each other.

we suck in every aspect of the game REBOUNDING, PASSING, PACE, 3 POINT SHOOTING, DEFENSE = No Identity, are you REALLY going to debate that.

YOU Call out 3 guys on a roster of 15, none of these guys complement each other, its just a poorly put together team, that never had chance.

we should be focusing 3 or 4 young guys learning from vets..not a team full of rejects, that are not in your future plans

Rejects? I mean we know you love veterans and I agree you need some to help the kids but just having a team full of them wont get you too far as we have seen for many years from 2000-15 with us. Again you dont look at the whole picture. You just look at the win/loss column this one year and vent/piss/moan. We are missing our top player the entire goddamn season, did you honestly expect us to win many games?. We will get KP back, along with a top 3 pick,and a key free agent. Plus the kids will be better. Things are gonna be better vety soon if you showed a small amount a patience

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:how many lottery picks currently on this roster that has 9 wins in 34 games..

we have drafted 3 top 10 picks (kp/knox/frank) in the last 4 yrs and we are headed back to another.

No team in the NBA has more lottery picks on their roster than the knicks..

Just trade what ever assets you have for the pick that will have the biggest impact..

You’re genuinely clueless- now you’re citing KP as proof lottery picks don’t work?! Lol!

If thats what you got out of this statement your the clueless one

Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer
The Knicks lost to Milwaukee by 16 on Thursday and have dropped 11 of 12. New York currently has the second-worst record in the NBA. Luke Kornet had 23 points (7-11 3PT) and 5 assists vs. MIL in his first start of the season. Noah Vonleh had 15 points, 13 rebounds and defended well.

Maybe your enjoying the progress of our players who have a couple good games, and 15 bad ones..
Im not, and im not looking fwd and to another 19 yr old being mentored by a 20 yr old..

for the 2nd yr in a row, there's no progress dude, still no defense, still no system and the players look no better with the exception of Mudiay..

If we had a record like dallas or the kings, thats progress, thats development, tanking in a yr the draft gives you less of chance to get the top spot..

We get it dude you dont believe in drafting or the youth movement. We all want to win BUT this is the reality of being a young team missing our top player. By the way we have had a lot of kids making progress like knox trier and dotson.

No one on this team has been consistent, not even those guys..whats worse is that we have a roster full of very low IQ players, so they are not even learning from each other.

we suck in every aspect of the game REBOUNDING, PASSING, PACE, 3 POINT SHOOTING, DEFENSE = No Identity, are you REALLY going to debate that.

YOU Call out 3 guys on a roster of 15, none of these guys complement each other, its just a poorly put together team, that never had chance.

we should be focusing 3 or 4 young guys learning from vets..not a team full of rejects, that are not in your future plans

Rejects? I mean we know you love veterans and I agree you need some to help the kids but just having a team full of them wont get you too far as we have seen for many years from 2000-15 with us. Again you dont look at the whole picture. You just look at the win/loss column this one year and vent/piss/moan. We are missing our top player the entire goddamn season, did you honestly expect us to win many games?. We will get KP back, along with a top 3 pick,and a key free agent. Plus the kids will be better. Things are gonna be better vety soon if you showed a small amount a patience

Here's your god damn progress..lol

While some general managers don’t fully embrace the Real Adjusted Plus-Minus stat introduced in 2014, Knox is ranked No. 463 out of 464 players. Frank Ntilikina comes in at 461.

The knicks need to do frank and themselves a favor and trade him to a better fit,, a smaller market, around a lot of veterans...they are killing this kids confidence, and his development

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:how many lottery picks currently on this roster that has 9 wins in 34 games..

we have drafted 3 top 10 picks (kp/knox/frank) in the last 4 yrs and we are headed back to another.

No team in the NBA has more lottery picks on their roster than the knicks..

Just trade what ever assets you have for the pick that will have the biggest impact..

You’re genuinely clueless- now you’re citing KP as proof lottery picks don’t work?! Lol!

If thats what you got out of this statement your the clueless one

Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer
The Knicks lost to Milwaukee by 16 on Thursday and have dropped 11 of 12. New York currently has the second-worst record in the NBA. Luke Kornet had 23 points (7-11 3PT) and 5 assists vs. MIL in his first start of the season. Noah Vonleh had 15 points, 13 rebounds and defended well.

Maybe your enjoying the progress of our players who have a couple good games, and 15 bad ones..
Im not, and im not looking fwd and to another 19 yr old being mentored by a 20 yr old..

for the 2nd yr in a row, there's no progress dude, still no defense, still no system and the players look no better with the exception of Mudiay..

If we had a record like dallas or the kings, thats progress, thats development, tanking in a yr the draft gives you less of chance to get the top spot..

We get it dude you dont believe in drafting or the youth movement. We all want to win BUT this is the reality of being a young team missing our top player. By the way we have had a lot of kids making progress like knox trier and dotson.

No one on this team has been consistent, not even those guys..whats worse is that we have a roster full of very low IQ players, so they are not even learning from each other.

we suck in every aspect of the game REBOUNDING, PASSING, PACE, 3 POINT SHOOTING, DEFENSE = No Identity, are you REALLY going to debate that.

YOU Call out 3 guys on a roster of 15, none of these guys complement each other, its just a poorly put together team, that never had chance.

we should be focusing 3 or 4 young guys learning from vets..not a team full of rejects, that are not in your future plans

Rejects? I mean we know you love veterans and I agree you need some to help the kids but just having a team full of them wont get you too far as we have seen for many years from 2000-15 with us. Again you dont look at the whole picture. You just look at the win/loss column this one year and vent/piss/moan. We are missing our top player the entire goddamn season, did you honestly expect us to win many games?. We will get KP back, along with a top 3 pick,and a key free agent. Plus the kids will be better. Things are gonna be better vety soon if you showed a small amount a patience

Here's your god damn progress..lol

While some general managers don’t fully embrace the Real Adjusted Plus-Minus stat introduced in 2014, Knox is ranked No. 463 out of 464 players. Frank Ntilikina comes in at 461.

The knicks need to do frank and themselves a favor and trade him to a better fit,, a smaller market, around a lot of veterans...they are killing this kids confidence, and his development

Knox is #3 in ROY ladder again for this past week. Also, there is a new article about his improvement on the court out from the Athletic. Hoping someone posts it. Not concerned at all about 19 year old Knox.

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:how many lottery picks currently on this roster that has 9 wins in 34 games..

we have drafted 3 top 10 picks (kp/knox/frank) in the last 4 yrs and we are headed back to another.

No team in the NBA has more lottery picks on their roster than the knicks..

Just trade what ever assets you have for the pick that will have the biggest impact..

You’re genuinely clueless- now you’re citing KP as proof lottery picks don’t work?! Lol!

If thats what you got out of this statement your the clueless one

Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer
The Knicks lost to Milwaukee by 16 on Thursday and have dropped 11 of 12. New York currently has the second-worst record in the NBA. Luke Kornet had 23 points (7-11 3PT) and 5 assists vs. MIL in his first start of the season. Noah Vonleh had 15 points, 13 rebounds and defended well.

Maybe your enjoying the progress of our players who have a couple good games, and 15 bad ones..
Im not, and im not looking fwd and to another 19 yr old being mentored by a 20 yr old..

for the 2nd yr in a row, there's no progress dude, still no defense, still no system and the players look no better with the exception of Mudiay..

If we had a record like dallas or the kings, thats progress, thats development, tanking in a yr the draft gives you less of chance to get the top spot..

We get it dude you dont believe in drafting or the youth movement. We all want to win BUT this is the reality of being a young team missing our top player. By the way we have had a lot of kids making progress like knox trier and dotson.

No one on this team has been consistent, not even those guys..whats worse is that we have a roster full of very low IQ players, so they are not even learning from each other.

we suck in every aspect of the game REBOUNDING, PASSING, PACE, 3 POINT SHOOTING, DEFENSE = No Identity, are you REALLY going to debate that.

YOU Call out 3 guys on a roster of 15, none of these guys complement each other, its just a poorly put together team, that never had chance.

we should be focusing 3 or 4 young guys learning from vets..not a team full of rejects, that are not in your future plans

Rejects? I mean we know you love veterans and I agree you need some to help the kids but just having a team full of them wont get you too far as we have seen for many years from 2000-15 with us. Again you dont look at the whole picture. You just look at the win/loss column this one year and vent/piss/moan. We are missing our top player the entire goddamn season, did you honestly expect us to win many games?. We will get KP back, along with a top 3 pick,and a key free agent. Plus the kids will be better. Things are gonna be better vety soon if you showed a small amount a patience

Here's your god damn progress..lol

While some general managers don’t fully embrace the Real Adjusted Plus-Minus stat introduced in 2014, Knox is ranked No. 463 out of 464 players. Frank Ntilikina comes in at 461.

The knicks need to do frank and themselves a favor and trade him to a better fit,, a smaller market, around a lot of veterans...they are killing this kids confidence, and his development

This what you get out of competing the Knicks? Frank is a pass first Point Guard for a system offense. Unlike the chuckers that you seem to love, Frank can run the offense. Under Hornacek and especially under Fizdale there hasn't been an offense to run, and idiot fans in love with chuck first no defense highlight reel PGs expect Frank to BE the offense. The real favor Knicks can do themselves is to find a offensive coordinator under Fiz and to shed fans like you who are clinging to this notion of Melo- ball or hero ball.