homeskillitprigioni wrote:FrenchFreak wrote:Like a lot of fans my initial reaction to the trade was negative. After sleeping on it, I now think it was the right thing to do and this is probably the best I have felt about the Knicks organization in a really long time.Young players with upside and cap space are two of the most important thing in a salary cap league. The bright side:
* We have Smith/Frank/Dotson from 2017 draft
* We have Trier/Knox/Mitch from 2018
* A likely top 5 pick plus a 2nd rounder coming in 2019
* $70M+ of cap space
* All of our future draft picks plus 2 additional 1st rounders from Dallas.
* We're rid of the immovable Lee and Hardaway contracts. It's even better than the Mets trading Swarzak/Bruce in the Cano deal.
* We don't have to go through an uncertain season with KP playing with a QO.
* We don't have to fret at all about whether we want to give a max deal to a 7'3 guy coming off a major knee injury.
The potential is now huge to build a sustainable winning team. The BIG IF is July 1st. As long as they hold out for only the best FAs and don't overpay for the second tier we'll be fine. If we don't get who we want, just fill the roster with 1 year deals and try again next off season. Meanwhile your young players have another year to develop and prove themselves. I'm confident this front office has their heads on straight about this. Maybe I'm naive but looking forward to the off season...
Ahhh, I knew we were going to disagree when I saw the comment about the Cano deal. The Mets got destroyed in that trade. Paying Cano $20 mil a year in his age 38-40 years is a nightmare. The Wilpons hold the Cespedes/Wright contracts over the payroll's head and that's while they're getting a good chunk of that back from insurance. That deal will probably end up costing them deGrom or Thor long-term.
Here's the problem with the young players and cap space logic...the cold, hard reality is that our young players aren't that good. Knox is the only one out of that group that could be and he's got a long way to go. The others could possibly be role players but there's a million guys just like them out there in this league. DSJ hasn't arrived yet, if he ever will, and has already sulked about a much better player being more ball-dominant.
The draft picks were mediocre and with being so far in the future aren't really going to help us out much in a trade anytime soon They hold some value in a different sense but not as the centerpiece for who we gave up.
Getting rid of THJ and Lee's contract were the centerpiece, which it was nice that we did, but that should not be the biggest thing you get back for a guy like Porzingis. It's almost like the Mavs in negotiations basically said "well, think of it like we're getting you Durant or Kyrie too!" and the Knicks said, "derrr, OK!". That could happen with the space, but it shouldn't be part of the direct trade value you're getting from someone.
My issue with this will always be the value. We traded the guy at his absolute lowest value and then somehow got even less back. It was a salary dump and a couple of mediocre at best assets. And then the credit the FO gets for "ridding" ourselves of those terrible contracts...when they're the ones who gave them out! I wish I could have that kind of lack of accountability at my job.
If you’re a Mets fan and aren’t psyched by what they accomplished this offseason then I don’t even know what to say. The Cano deal included the best young closer in the game who they’ll pay almost nothing for the next 5 years. Getting rid of the terrible Bruce and Swarzak contracts plus 20M cash coming to the Mets offsets what’s owed to Cano. I love that trade and almost everything else their GM did this offseason. Go Mets!
