1. His rehab wasn't going well and they didn't think he'd be the same.
2. They KNOW Kevin Durant is coming, and want to create room for him & Kyrie and his trade request
provided an oppurtunity for them to do so.
3. There is a follow up trade that brings AD to the Knicks but that involves Enes Kanter & our pick.
No way in hell the Knicks should trade the pick. They are stupid very stupid people running the show. But KP wanted out and we knew NY is not a destination of choice even for the home grown.
Point blank: the trade doesn't make sense and can't be justified. "Ifs" have no value in the market place and that is basically what cap space is in this context. With half the league having cap space, it couldn't be any less valuable,which will handicap our ability to retrieve assets for longer-termed deals- the way normal rebuilding teams do. So if/when we miss on the more balley-hooed free agents like we did in 2010, we get stuck with Amar'e who we end up wanting to move within a year. Same deal with Courtney Lee and Joakim Noah in 2015. Same deal with Tim Hardaway Jr in I'm 2017. On and on, the fuckery goes on. This was a bad trade; don't try to spin it.
NardDogNation wrote:Point blank: the trade doesn't make sense and can't be justified. "Ifs" have no value in the market place and that is basically what cap space is in this context. With half the league having cap space, it couldn't be any less valuable,which will handicap our ability to retrieve assets for longer-termed deals- the way normal rebuilding teams do. So if/when we miss on the more balley-hooed free agents like we did in 2010, we get stuck with Amar'e who we end up wanting to move within a year. Same deal with Courtney Lee and Joakim Noah in 2015. Same deal with Tim Hardaway Jr in I'm 2017. On and on, the fuckery goes on. This was a bad trade; don't try to spin it.
You are wrong on that, there are 11, and about 5 (or more) of those no UFA like Durant is going to
Killa4luv wrote:1. His rehab wasn't going well and they didn't think he'd be the same.
2. They KNOW Kevin Durant is coming, and want to create room for him & Kyrie and his trade request
provided an oppurtunity for them to do so.
3. There is a follow up trade that brings AD to the Knicks but that involves Enes Kanter & our pick.
Definitely not 3.
1 and 2 make sense, but are you really going to give this franchise the benefit of the doubt?
Even with all his question marks, Porzingis was in fact a young star.
Cap space is nothing without actually turning it into stars, which is so 2010 with this franchise as they failed to get the biggest stars that year and ended up being a mediocre team headed into this atrocious rebuilding we are right now.
Not even are we assured of one of the top 3 picks in a year where we are the worst team in the league.
Again, if you are telling me the Knicks are getting Zion, Durant and Kyrie out of this, most guys would sign up for that. But that isn't a given at all. That is a pipe dream waiting to become another sour argument for us.
We just traded the most attractive asset we had for cap flexibility and a young player that became a problem for a team also emphasizing young players. After the dust settles, this will remain a bad move that definitely kills the little good buzz the new management had achieved.
This really sucks.
Knicksfan wrote:Even with all his question marks, Porzingis was in fact a young star.Cap space is nothing without actually turning it into stars, which is so 2010 with this franchise as they failed to get the biggest stars that year and ended up being a mediocre team headed into this atrocious rebuilding we are right now.
Not even are we assured of one of the top 3 picks in a year where we are the worst team in the league.
Again, if you are telling me the Knicks are getting Zion, Durant and Kyrie out of this, most guys would sign up for that. But that isn't a given at all. That is a pipe dream waiting to become another sour argument for us.
We just traded the most attractive asset we had for cap flexibility and a young player that became a problem for a team also emphasizing young players. After the dust settles, this will remain a bad move that definitely kills the little good buzz the new management had achieved.
This really sucks.
Thats very fair. Like i mentioned Perry has put triple the pressure on himself because he now has to get 2 of the top 3 free agents and get some luck in the lottery. I had no issue trading KP but they jumped the gun. Unless they discovered he is gonna have issues going forward with his leg
NardDogNation wrote:Point blank: the trade doesn't make sense and can't be justified. "Ifs" have no value in the market place and that is basically what cap space is in this context. With half the league having cap space, it couldn't be any less valuable,which will handicap our ability to retrieve assets for longer-termed deals- the way normal rebuilding teams do. So if/when we miss on the more balley-hooed free agents like we did in 2010, we get stuck with Amar'e who we end up wanting to move within a year. Same deal with Courtney Lee and Joakim Noah in 2015. Same deal with Tim Hardaway Jr in I'm 2017. On and on, the fuckery goes on. This was a bad trade; don't try to spin it.
I disagree. If they pretty much know KD and Kyrie are coming here, then it's a wash. At least for now. There is too much smoke around the KD rumors to think there isn't something substantial to them. KP is like a chick whose family doesn't like you and you have to convince her to stay every two months. That crap gets old quick. And we're not talking a dime. We're talking a chick with the potential to be a dime. It looks we have the opportunity to hook to hook up with two fully developed 10s in the summer. Sure they're older, but there's a good chance the younger chick still won't touch them, even when she hits her prime.
Dallas has their new Dirk...younger with possibly a bit more upside Dirk. This initially seems like a huge mistake, but par for the course. Trade away the future for a slim chance at an immediate run for glory. Even when it seems like Dolan hands over the keys, none of the folks he pays seem to have a f#@king clue.
Right now there is no benefit for the Knicks, short- or longterm.
martin wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Point blank: the trade doesn't make sense and can't be justified. "Ifs" have no value in the market place and that is basically what cap space is in this context. With half the league having cap space, it couldn't be any less valuable,which will handicap our ability to retrieve assets for longer-termed deals- the way normal rebuilding teams do. So if/when we miss on the more balley-hooed free agents like we did in 2010, we get stuck with Amar'e who we end up wanting to move within a year. Same deal with Courtney Lee and Joakim Noah in 2015. Same deal with Tim Hardaway Jr in I'm 2017. On and on, the fuckery goes on. This was a bad trade; don't try to spin it.
You are wrong on that, there are 11, and about 5 (or more) of those no UFA like Durant is going to
Okay. '' about a third of the teams'' in the league, presuming other teams don't attempt to join the fray. Does that change the fact that the excess of teams with cap space, lowers the value of having it?
grillco wrote:Dallas has their new Dirk...younger with possibly a bit more upside Dirk. This initially seems like a huge mistake, but par for the course. Trade away the future for a slim chance at an immediate run for glory. Even when it seems like Dolan hands over the keys, none of the folks he pays seem to have a f#@king clue.Right now there is no benefit for the Knicks, short- or longterm.
KP said he was gonna test FA so the Mavs may only have him a year
BigDaddyG wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Point blank: the trade doesn't make sense and can't be justified. "Ifs" have no value in the market place and that is basically what cap space is in this context. With half the league having cap space, it couldn't be any less valuable,which will handicap our ability to retrieve assets for longer-termed deals- the way normal rebuilding teams do. So if/when we miss on the more balley-hooed free agents like we did in 2010, we get stuck with Amar'e who we end up wanting to move within a year. Same deal with Courtney Lee and Joakim Noah in 2015. Same deal with Tim Hardaway Jr in I'm 2017. On and on, the fuckery goes on. This was a bad trade; don't try to spin it.
I disagree. If they pretty much know KD and Kyrie are coming here, then it's a wash. At least for now. There is too much smoke around the KD rumors to think there isn't something substantial to them. KP is like a chick whose family doesn't like you and you have to convince her to stay every two months. That crap gets old quick. And we're not talking a dime. We're talking a chick with the potential to be a dime. It looks we have the opportunity to hook to hook up with two fully developed 10s in the summer. Sure they're older, but there's a good chance the younger chick still won't touch them, even when she hits her prime.
Cool. We get KD and Kyrie, two star players that miss 20-ish games a season and have had major injuries in their career. When they inevitably get hurt, especially as they age, what else would we have? What else could we realistically get as a supporting cast?
Mavs take big W. Future championships in Dallas are very real.
Sambakick wrote:Killa4luv wrote:1. His rehab wasn't going well and they didn't think he'd be the same.
2. They KNOW Kevin Durant is coming, and want to create room for him & Kyrie and his trade request
provided an oppurtunity for them to do so.
3. There is a follow up trade that brings AD to the Knicks but that involves Enes Kanter & our pick.
#2 is correct
This. Also, they got their point guard, two firsts, and a ton of cap space.
NardDogNation wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Point blank: the trade doesn't make sense and can't be justified. "Ifs" have no value in the market place and that is basically what cap space is in this context. With half the league having cap space, it couldn't be any less valuable,which will handicap our ability to retrieve assets for longer-termed deals- the way normal rebuilding teams do. So if/when we miss on the more balley-hooed free agents like we did in 2010, we get stuck with Amar'e who we end up wanting to move within a year. Same deal with Courtney Lee and Joakim Noah in 2015. Same deal with Tim Hardaway Jr in I'm 2017. On and on, the fuckery goes on. This was a bad trade; don't try to spin it.
I disagree. If they pretty much know KD and Kyrie are coming here, then it's a wash. At least for now. There is too much smoke around the KD rumors to think there isn't something substantial to them. KP is like a chick whose family doesn't like you and you have to convince her to stay every two months. That crap gets old quick. And we're not talking a dime. We're talking a chick with the potential to be a dime. It looks we have the opportunity to hook to hook up with two fully developed 10s in the summer. Sure they're older, but there's a good chance the younger chick still won't touch them, even when she hits her prime.
Cool. We get KD and Kyrie, two star players that miss 20-ish games a season and have had major injuries in their career. When they inevitably get hurt, especially as they age, what else would we have? What else could we realistically get as a supporting cast?
Except for their ages, that doesn't sound too different from KPs narrative. Make no mistake, I'm not calling this trade a slam dunk, yet. But if we get Kyrie and KD, it's definitely a wash. Throw in Zion, and I've moved on. Oh, and I guess DSJ could pan out too. It's to see becaus the trad came out of nowhere. But reexamine it in three days.
First off, Kyrie is only 26. KP is not likely to have a very long career. A man his size, with his build who at the end of this season will have already missed 142 games and played in 186. Thats nearly 2 full seasons out of a 4 season career.
Also, more importantly Kyrie is a MUCH better player. KD is a MUCH better player. Both are champions. Getting Kyrie & KD is not "a wash" it is a motherf*cking COUP with or without Zion.
grillco wrote:Dallas has their new Dirk...younger with possibly a bit more upside Dirk. This initially seems like a huge mistake, but par for the course. Trade away the future for a slim chance at an immediate run for glory. Even when it seems like Dolan hands over the keys, none of the folks he pays seem to have a f#@king clue.Right now there is no benefit for the Knicks, short- or longterm.
But sacrificing 1st round picks for an often-injured, sweet-shooting Euro big man with an uncertain future, which Dallas has just done, also feels like a move straight out of Dolan's playbook.
Naw man. What makes you think that?
ESOMKnicks wrote:grillco wrote:Dallas has their new Dirk...younger with possibly a bit more upside Dirk. This initially seems like a huge mistake, but par for the course. Trade away the future for a slim chance at an immediate run for glory. Even when it seems like Dolan hands over the keys, none of the folks he pays seem to have a f#@king clue.Right now there is no benefit for the Knicks, short- or longterm.
But sacrificing 1st round picks for an often-injured, sweet-shooting Euro big man with an uncertain future, which Dallas has just done, also feels like a move straight out of Dolan's playbook.
That idea of a sweet shooting Euro big man was a dream unfulfilled. Many a game I waited for a KP lightning bolt to push us ahead or pull us even. Most of those times, I was disappointed. His shot wasn't lethal and surely not near that 40% that would make him the sniper that we craved. He's gone. Let's get over it.
Love Kyrie’s game but with Dennis Smith I would go with Klay Thompson and KD. If the Knicks don’t get the # 1 overall for Zion then would trade the assets for AD.
Pg: DSJr
Sg: Klay
Sf: KD
Pf: AD/KD
C: AD
