Knicks · I had attachment to KP but I love Knicks... (page 1)

arkrud @ 2/1/2019 12:00 AM
Attachment is that which gives you pain. Love is that without which you cannot live. If love becomes attachment, then the same love which was giving you joy, starts to inflict pain. Attachment is when you want something in return. If you love and don't want anything in return, then that love doesn't turn into attachment.

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar
mlby1215 @ 2/1/2019 2:13 AM
The irony part is that KP would probably still be here if Phil Jackson was in charge. Both wanted to trade away KP (lets assume the rumor about phil trading him is true) but the difference is that Phil would not find a trade he would like for weeks or months, but Mills would just in 25 minutes. After weeks or months, the sitution would cool down then KP would apologize then everything would make up.

But not in this case. Mills is Mills and people still refuse to believe it. I think he could wield a chainsaw and chop people right and left in MSG but fans still would say "this guy is probably not right....but.....maybe he has a reason to do so?"

PhilinLA @ 2/1/2019 2:18 AM
I've been a Knick fan my whole life, but I hate their FO right now.
BigDaddyG @ 2/1/2019 3:19 AM
mlby1215 wrote:The irony part is that KP would probably still be here if Phil Jackson was in charge. Both wanted to trade away KP (lets assume the rumor about phil trading him is true) but the difference is that Phil would not find a trade he would like for weeks or months, but Mills would just in 25 minutes. After weeks or months, the sitution would cool down then KP would apologize then everything would make up.

But not in this case. Mills is Mills and people still refuse to believe it. I think he could wield a chainsaw and chop people right and left in MSG but fans still would say "this guy is probably not right....but.....maybe he has a reason to do so?"


They said they were aware of the situation and had begun exploring trade for a while. It just seemed like 25 minutes because none of us knew how tenuous the situation was. KP is gone and it's a bit of a gut punch, but it is what it is. Can't look back now, only forward to the summer.
mlby1215 @ 2/1/2019 8:12 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:The irony part is that KP would probably still be here if Phil Jackson was in charge. Both wanted to trade away KP (lets assume the rumor about phil trading him is true) but the difference is that Phil would not find a trade he would like for weeks or months, but Mills would just in 25 minutes. After weeks or months, the sitution would cool down then KP would apologize then everything would make up.

But not in this case. Mills is Mills and people still refuse to believe it. I think he could wield a chainsaw and chop people right and left in MSG but fans still would say "this guy is probably not right....but.....maybe he has a reason to do so?"


They said they were aware of the situation and had begun exploring trade for a while. It just seemed like 25 minutes because none of us knew how tenuous the situation was. KP is gone and it's a bit of a gut punch, but it is what it is. Can't look back now, only forward to the summer.

The buttom line is that trade deadline is still a week away and Mills now is going to tell me it is the best ever deal he could get? I don't believe him.

arkrud @ 2/1/2019 8:18 AM
mlby1215 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:The irony part is that KP would probably still be here if Phil Jackson was in charge. Both wanted to trade away KP (lets assume the rumor about phil trading him is true) but the difference is that Phil would not find a trade he would like for weeks or months, but Mills would just in 25 minutes. After weeks or months, the sitution would cool down then KP would apologize then everything would make up.

But not in this case. Mills is Mills and people still refuse to believe it. I think he could wield a chainsaw and chop people right and left in MSG but fans still would say "this guy is probably not right....but.....maybe he has a reason to do so?"


They said they were aware of the situation and had begun exploring trade for a while. It just seemed like 25 minutes because none of us knew how tenuous the situation was. KP is gone and it's a bit of a gut punch, but it is what it is. Can't look back now, only forward to the summer.

The buttom line is that trade deadline is still a week away and Mills now is going to tell me it is the best ever deal he could get? I don't believe him.

It is clear KP wanted to go and it is clear he selected Dallas.
What choice the FO had for a trade but the team KP penciled?
If there is some fault it is in how KP and Knicks relationship transpired over long time.
And there are many parties who acted to lead to the trade.
Inevitable events cannot be stopped.
You just acknowledge them and move on.

mlby1215 @ 2/1/2019 8:50 AM
arkrud wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:The irony part is that KP would probably still be here if Phil Jackson was in charge. Both wanted to trade away KP (lets assume the rumor about phil trading him is true) but the difference is that Phil would not find a trade he would like for weeks or months, but Mills would just in 25 minutes. After weeks or months, the sitution would cool down then KP would apologize then everything would make up.

But not in this case. Mills is Mills and people still refuse to believe it. I think he could wield a chainsaw and chop people right and left in MSG but fans still would say "this guy is probably not right....but.....maybe he has a reason to do so?"


They said they were aware of the situation and had begun exploring trade for a while. It just seemed like 25 minutes because none of us knew how tenuous the situation was. KP is gone and it's a bit of a gut punch, but it is what it is. Can't look back now, only forward to the summer.

The buttom line is that trade deadline is still a week away and Mills now is going to tell me it is the best ever deal he could get? I don't believe him.

It is clear KP wanted to go and it is clear he selected Dallas.
What choice the FO had for a trade but the team KP penciled?
If there is some fault it is in how KP and Knicks relationship transpired over long time.
And there are many parties who acted to lead to the trade.
Inevitable events cannot be stopped.
You just acknowledge them and move on.

Again I am not going to shit on people, as everyone is sad. But, how could it be the best deal? Lakers? Boston? I can think of a lot of teams they really wanted KP and were willing to trade.

At the end, I really hope people would finally realize these two guys are always here (almost).

Mills, and Dolan.

It is not Donnie Walsh, not Isiah Thomas, not Glen Grunwald, not Phil Jackson.

It is always Mills and Dolan.

StarksEwing1 @ 2/1/2019 8:52 AM
mlby1215 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:The irony part is that KP would probably still be here if Phil Jackson was in charge. Both wanted to trade away KP (lets assume the rumor about phil trading him is true) but the difference is that Phil would not find a trade he would like for weeks or months, but Mills would just in 25 minutes. After weeks or months, the sitution would cool down then KP would apologize then everything would make up.

But not in this case. Mills is Mills and people still refuse to believe it. I think he could wield a chainsaw and chop people right and left in MSG but fans still would say "this guy is probably not right....but.....maybe he has a reason to do so?"


They said they were aware of the situation and had begun exploring trade for a while. It just seemed like 25 minutes because none of us knew how tenuous the situation was. KP is gone and it's a bit of a gut punch, but it is what it is. Can't look back now, only forward to the summer.

The buttom line is that trade deadline is still a week away and Mills now is going to tell me it is the best ever deal he could get? I don't believe him.

They went to other teams who either werent interested or not willing to give up much
martin @ 2/1/2019 9:51 AM
mlby1215 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:The irony part is that KP would probably still be here if Phil Jackson was in charge. Both wanted to trade away KP (lets assume the rumor about phil trading him is true) but the difference is that Phil would not find a trade he would like for weeks or months, but Mills would just in 25 minutes. After weeks or months, the sitution would cool down then KP would apologize then everything would make up.

But not in this case. Mills is Mills and people still refuse to believe it. I think he could wield a chainsaw and chop people right and left in MSG but fans still would say "this guy is probably not right....but.....maybe he has a reason to do so?"


They said they were aware of the situation and had begun exploring trade for a while. It just seemed like 25 minutes because none of us knew how tenuous the situation was. KP is gone and it's a bit of a gut punch, but it is what it is. Can't look back now, only forward to the summer.

The buttom line is that trade deadline is still a week away and Mills now is going to tell me it is the best ever deal he could get? I don't believe him.

It is clear KP wanted to go and it is clear he selected Dallas.
What choice the FO had for a trade but the team KP penciled?
If there is some fault it is in how KP and Knicks relationship transpired over long time.
And there are many parties who acted to lead to the trade.
Inevitable events cannot be stopped.
You just acknowledge them and move on.

Again I am not going to shit on people, as everyone is sad. But, how could it be the best deal? Lakers? Boston? I can think of a lot of teams they really wanted KP and were willing to trade.

At the end, I really hope people would finally realize these two guys are always here (almost).

Mills, and Dolan.

It is not Donnie Walsh, not Isiah Thomas, not Glen Grunwald, not Phil Jackson.

It is always Mills and Dolan.

Name them, put out your details. Boston is absolutely not trading for KP until he returned from injury and proved healthy, see Gordon Hayward. They are also in a playoff hunt and need to resign Kyrie, they ain't busting up that team to save a space for KP next year.

Lakers? Almost in the same spot; LeBron and team are in a playoff hunt and wouldn't risk trading for KP (who they then would want to re-route to New Orleans? who also just shot down a KP trade?).

Knicks probably wanted to send KP to the West. And wanted to get rid of Lee/THJr at the least, so lots of expiring contracts and picks needed to make sure $40M in cap space.

Go for it, put out some scenarios.

mlby1215 @ 2/1/2019 9:52 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:The irony part is that KP would probably still be here if Phil Jackson was in charge. Both wanted to trade away KP (lets assume the rumor about phil trading him is true) but the difference is that Phil would not find a trade he would like for weeks or months, but Mills would just in 25 minutes. After weeks or months, the sitution would cool down then KP would apologize then everything would make up.

But not in this case. Mills is Mills and people still refuse to believe it. I think he could wield a chainsaw and chop people right and left in MSG but fans still would say "this guy is probably not right....but.....maybe he has a reason to do so?"


They said they were aware of the situation and had begun exploring trade for a while. It just seemed like 25 minutes because none of us knew how tenuous the situation was. KP is gone and it's a bit of a gut punch, but it is what it is. Can't look back now, only forward to the summer.

The buttom line is that trade deadline is still a week away and Mills now is going to tell me it is the best ever deal he could get? I don't believe him.

They went to other teams who either werent interested or not willing to give up much

I believe the situation is that Mav intended to give what Mills wanted most, the caps. He needed the cap now and quick to keep his job. a lot more picks in future would not help him. (but would help Knicks)

The only chance he could turn around quick is FA. He bought out Noah, let Kanter and Quinn walk away. It is all about caps.

StarksEwing1 @ 2/1/2019 9:56 AM
martin wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:The irony part is that KP would probably still be here if Phil Jackson was in charge. Both wanted to trade away KP (lets assume the rumor about phil trading him is true) but the difference is that Phil would not find a trade he would like for weeks or months, but Mills would just in 25 minutes. After weeks or months, the sitution would cool down then KP would apologize then everything would make up.

But not in this case. Mills is Mills and people still refuse to believe it. I think he could wield a chainsaw and chop people right and left in MSG but fans still would say "this guy is probably not right....but.....maybe he has a reason to do so?"


They said they were aware of the situation and had begun exploring trade for a while. It just seemed like 25 minutes because none of us knew how tenuous the situation was. KP is gone and it's a bit of a gut punch, but it is what it is. Can't look back now, only forward to the summer.

The buttom line is that trade deadline is still a week away and Mills now is going to tell me it is the best ever deal he could get? I don't believe him.

It is clear KP wanted to go and it is clear he selected Dallas.
What choice the FO had for a trade but the team KP penciled?
If there is some fault it is in how KP and Knicks relationship transpired over long time.
And there are many parties who acted to lead to the trade.
Inevitable events cannot be stopped.
You just acknowledge them and move on.

Again I am not going to shit on people, as everyone is sad. But, how could it be the best deal? Lakers? Boston? I can think of a lot of teams they really wanted KP and were willing to trade.

At the end, I really hope people would finally realize these two guys are always here (almost).

Mills, and Dolan.

It is not Donnie Walsh, not Isiah Thomas, not Glen Grunwald, not Phil Jackson.

It is always Mills and Dolan.

Name them, put out your details. Boston is absolutely not trading for KP until he returned from injury and proved healthy, see Gordon Hayward. They are also in a playoff hunt and need to resign Kyrie, they ain't busting up that team to save a space for KP next year.

Lakers? Almost in the same spot; LeBron and team are in a playoff hunt and wouldn't risk trading for KP (who they then would want to re-route to New Orleans? who also just shot down a KP trade?).

Knicks probably wanted to send KP to the West. And wanted to get rid of Lee/THJr at the least, so lots of expiring contracts and picks needed to make sure $40M in cap space.

Go for it, put out some scenarios.

Agreed Martin. There have been some that claim its a terrible return yet they dont offer a better or realistic return
GoNyGoNyGo @ 2/1/2019 12:27 PM
SAme here...life long fan here...its about the team for me. I was thinking KP could finally be the ONE but alas, NO. He turned out to be a donkey not a unicorn for NY.
Chandler @ 2/1/2019 12:46 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
martin wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:The irony part is that KP would probably still be here if Phil Jackson was in charge. Both wanted to trade away KP (lets assume the rumor about phil trading him is true) but the difference is that Phil would not find a trade he would like for weeks or months, but Mills would just in 25 minutes. After weeks or months, the sitution would cool down then KP would apologize then everything would make up.

But not in this case. Mills is Mills and people still refuse to believe it. I think he could wield a chainsaw and chop people right and left in MSG but fans still would say "this guy is probably not right....but.....maybe he has a reason to do so?"


They said they were aware of the situation and had begun exploring trade for a while. It just seemed like 25 minutes because none of us knew how tenuous the situation was. KP is gone and it's a bit of a gut punch, but it is what it is. Can't look back now, only forward to the summer.

The buttom line is that trade deadline is still a week away and Mills now is going to tell me it is the best ever deal he could get? I don't believe him.

It is clear KP wanted to go and it is clear he selected Dallas.
What choice the FO had for a trade but the team KP penciled?
If there is some fault it is in how KP and Knicks relationship transpired over long time.
And there are many parties who acted to lead to the trade.
Inevitable events cannot be stopped.
You just acknowledge them and move on.

Again I am not going to shit on people, as everyone is sad. But, how could it be the best deal? Lakers? Boston? I can think of a lot of teams they really wanted KP and were willing to trade.

At the end, I really hope people would finally realize these two guys are always here (almost).

Mills, and Dolan.

It is not Donnie Walsh, not Isiah Thomas, not Glen Grunwald, not Phil Jackson.

It is always Mills and Dolan.

Name them, put out your details. Boston is absolutely not trading for KP until he returned from injury and proved healthy, see Gordon Hayward. They are also in a playoff hunt and need to resign Kyrie, they ain't busting up that team to save a space for KP next year.

Lakers? Almost in the same spot; LeBron and team are in a playoff hunt and wouldn't risk trading for KP (who they then would want to re-route to New Orleans? who also just shot down a KP trade?).

Knicks probably wanted to send KP to the West. And wanted to get rid of Lee/THJr at the least, so lots of expiring contracts and picks needed to make sure $40M in cap space.

Go for it, put out some scenarios.

Agreed Martin. There have been some that claim its a terrible return yet they dont offer a better or realistic return

they should have told him to pipe down, we're not trading you. Then they should have showed him how good they are at drafting, developing players and culture, and he would have been happy as a claim

the problem was he saw through them, and they knew they saw through him and they couldn't deliver on the above promise


So the rebuild is not premised on marrying 30 year old superstars with players under the drinking age.

StarksEwing1 @ 2/1/2019 12:49 PM
Chandler wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
martin wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:The irony part is that KP would probably still be here if Phil Jackson was in charge. Both wanted to trade away KP (lets assume the rumor about phil trading him is true) but the difference is that Phil would not find a trade he would like for weeks or months, but Mills would just in 25 minutes. After weeks or months, the sitution would cool down then KP would apologize then everything would make up.

But not in this case. Mills is Mills and people still refuse to believe it. I think he could wield a chainsaw and chop people right and left in MSG but fans still would say "this guy is probably not right....but.....maybe he has a reason to do so?"


They said they were aware of the situation and had begun exploring trade for a while. It just seemed like 25 minutes because none of us knew how tenuous the situation was. KP is gone and it's a bit of a gut punch, but it is what it is. Can't look back now, only forward to the summer.

The buttom line is that trade deadline is still a week away and Mills now is going to tell me it is the best ever deal he could get? I don't believe him.

It is clear KP wanted to go and it is clear he selected Dallas.
What choice the FO had for a trade but the team KP penciled?
If there is some fault it is in how KP and Knicks relationship transpired over long time.
And there are many parties who acted to lead to the trade.
Inevitable events cannot be stopped.
You just acknowledge them and move on.

Again I am not going to shit on people, as everyone is sad. But, how could it be the best deal? Lakers? Boston? I can think of a lot of teams they really wanted KP and were willing to trade.

At the end, I really hope people would finally realize these two guys are always here (almost).

Mills, and Dolan.

It is not Donnie Walsh, not Isiah Thomas, not Glen Grunwald, not Phil Jackson.

It is always Mills and Dolan.

Name them, put out your details. Boston is absolutely not trading for KP until he returned from injury and proved healthy, see Gordon Hayward. They are also in a playoff hunt and need to resign Kyrie, they ain't busting up that team to save a space for KP next year.

Lakers? Almost in the same spot; LeBron and team are in a playoff hunt and wouldn't risk trading for KP (who they then would want to re-route to New Orleans? who also just shot down a KP trade?).

Knicks probably wanted to send KP to the West. And wanted to get rid of Lee/THJr at the least, so lots of expiring contracts and picks needed to make sure $40M in cap space.

Go for it, put out some scenarios.

Agreed Martin. There have been some that claim its a terrible return yet they dont offer a better or realistic return

they should have told him to pipe down, we're not trading you. Then they should have showed him how good they are at drafting, developing players and culture, and he would have been happy as a claim

the problem was he saw through them, and they knew they saw through him and they couldn't deliver on the above promise


So the rebuild is not premised on marrying 30 year old superstars with players under the drinking age.

Again you don’t get it. He was gonna sign a
Qualifying Offer which means he is gone after next year. His brother and his bullshit wasn’t gonna fly anymore. Also what the fuck has KP ever proven to demand shit? At least Melo had a better resume and longer period of success
ESOMKnicks @ 2/1/2019 7:05 PM
Players, coaches, owners come and go. The team, its logo and its history stay. Living through a team's adversity is part of being a fan. You relish in your team's success that much more after having lived through its times of failure. It has been a long dark polar winter night which now will last for a while longer, but it is darkest right before dawn, and the sun will always inevitably rise.
StarksEwing1 @ 2/1/2019 7:20 PM
ESOMKnicks wrote:Players, coaches, owners come and go. The team, its logo and its history stay. Living through a team's adversity is part of being a fan. You relish in your team's success that much more after having lived through its times of failure. It has been a long dark polar winter night which now will last for a while longer, but it is darkest right before dawn, and the sun will always inevitably rise.
I honestly think things are gonna get better quick. Perry and Fiz must be very confident they will get at least KD and Kyrie. Obviously they need to be careful about tampering but they must have some sort of good assumption
meloshouldgo @ 2/1/2019 9:17 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:SAme here...life long fan here...its about the team for me. I was thinking KP could finally be the ONE but alas, NO. He turned out to be a donkey not a unicorn for NY.

Donkey-kong!

meloshouldgo @ 2/1/2019 9:32 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
martin wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:The irony part is that KP would probably still be here if Phil Jackson was in charge. Both wanted to trade away KP (lets assume the rumor about phil trading him is true) but the difference is that Phil would not find a trade he would like for weeks or months, but Mills would just in 25 minutes. After weeks or months, the sitution would cool down then KP would apologize then everything would make up.

But not in this case. Mills is Mills and people still refuse to believe it. I think he could wield a chainsaw and chop people right and left in MSG but fans still would say "this guy is probably not right....but.....maybe he has a reason to do so?"


They said they were aware of the situation and had begun exploring trade for a while. It just seemed like 25 minutes because none of us knew how tenuous the situation was. KP is gone and it's a bit of a gut punch, but it is what it is. Can't look back now, only forward to the summer.

The buttom line is that trade deadline is still a week away and Mills now is going to tell me it is the best ever deal he could get? I don't believe him.

It is clear KP wanted to go and it is clear he selected Dallas.
What choice the FO had for a trade but the team KP penciled?
If there is some fault it is in how KP and Knicks relationship transpired over long time.
And there are many parties who acted to lead to the trade.
Inevitable events cannot be stopped.
You just acknowledge them and move on.

Again I am not going to shit on people, as everyone is sad. But, how could it be the best deal? Lakers? Boston? I can think of a lot of teams they really wanted KP and were willing to trade.

At the end, I really hope people would finally realize these two guys are always here (almost).

Mills, and Dolan.

It is not Donnie Walsh, not Isiah Thomas, not Glen Grunwald, not Phil Jackson.

It is always Mills and Dolan.

Name them, put out your details. Boston is absolutely not trading for KP until he returned from injury and proved healthy, see Gordon Hayward. They are also in a playoff hunt and need to resign Kyrie, they ain't busting up that team to save a space for KP next year.

Lakers? Almost in the same spot; LeBron and team are in a playoff hunt and wouldn't risk trading for KP (who they then would want to re-route to New Orleans? who also just shot down a KP trade?).

Knicks probably wanted to send KP to the West. And wanted to get rid of Lee/THJr at the least, so lots of expiring contracts and picks needed to make sure $40M in cap space.

Go for it, put out some scenarios.

Agreed Martin. There have been some that claim its a terrible return yet they dont offer a better or realistic return

We could have stood pat and traded him in the summer to Boston. They would get their start to replace Kyrie. Sorry I just don't get all the trade rules.

CrushAlot @ 2/1/2019 9:39 PM
mlby1215 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:The irony part is that KP would probably still be here if Phil Jackson was in charge. Both wanted to trade away KP (lets assume the rumor about phil trading him is true) but the difference is that Phil would not find a trade he would like for weeks or months, but Mills would just in 25 minutes. After weeks or months, the sitution would cool down then KP would apologize then everything would make up.

But not in this case. Mills is Mills and people still refuse to believe it. I think he could wield a chainsaw and chop people right and left in MSG but fans still would say "this guy is probably not right....but.....maybe he has a reason to do so?"


They said they were aware of the situation and had begun exploring trade for a while. It just seemed like 25 minutes because none of us knew how tenuous the situation was. KP is gone and it's a bit of a gut punch, but it is what it is. Can't look back now, only forward to the summer.

The buttom line is that trade deadline is still a week away and Mills now is going to tell me it is the best ever deal he could get? I don't believe him.

From what has been reported, the front office sensed that KP did not want to be in NY and had been exploring moving him. When they met with him and he said he wanted out they took the deal that they thought was best. Getting a talented young player in Smith jr, two first round picks including one unprotected and a ton of cap space was a good trade. KP didnt want to be in NY. Move on and don't make it a media circus. This front office has been thorough and discrete when making moves. I don't think you can ask for more than that.
CrushAlot @ 2/1/2019 9:49 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
martin wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:The irony part is that KP would probably still be here if Phil Jackson was in charge. Both wanted to trade away KP (lets assume the rumor about phil trading him is true) but the difference is that Phil would not find a trade he would like for weeks or months, but Mills would just in 25 minutes. After weeks or months, the sitution would cool down then KP would apologize then everything would make up.

But not in this case. Mills is Mills and people still refuse to believe it. I think he could wield a chainsaw and chop people right and left in MSG but fans still would say "this guy is probably not right....but.....maybe he has a reason to do so?"


They said they were aware of the situation and had begun exploring trade for a while. It just seemed like 25 minutes because none of us knew how tenuous the situation was. KP is gone and it's a bit of a gut punch, but it is what it is. Can't look back now, only forward to the summer.

The buttom line is that trade deadline is still a week away and Mills now is going to tell me it is the best ever deal he could get? I don't believe him.

It is clear KP wanted to go and it is clear he selected Dallas.
What choice the FO had for a trade but the team KP penciled?
If there is some fault it is in how KP and Knicks relationship transpired over long time.
And there are many parties who acted to lead to the trade.
Inevitable events cannot be stopped.
You just acknowledge them and move on.

Again I am not going to shit on people, as everyone is sad. But, how could it be the best deal? Lakers? Boston? I can think of a lot of teams they really wanted KP and were willing to trade.

At the end, I really hope people would finally realize these two guys are always here (almost).

Mills, and Dolan.

It is not Donnie Walsh, not Isiah Thomas, not Glen Grunwald, not Phil Jackson.

It is always Mills and Dolan.

Name them, put out your details. Boston is absolutely not trading for KP until he returned from injury and proved healthy, see Gordon Hayward. They are also in a playoff hunt and need to resign Kyrie, they ain't busting up that team to save a space for KP next year.

Lakers? Almost in the same spot; LeBron and team are in a playoff hunt and wouldn't risk trading for KP (who they then would want to re-route to New Orleans? who also just shot down a KP trade?).

Knicks probably wanted to send KP to the West. And wanted to get rid of Lee/THJr at the least, so lots of expiring contracts and picks needed to make sure $40M in cap space.

Go for it, put out some scenarios.

Agreed Martin. There have been some that claim its a terrible return yet they dont offer a better or realistic return

We could have stood pat and traded him in the summer to Boston. They would get their start to replace Kyrie. Sorry I just don't get all the trade rules.

They had a lot more control and flexibility now. KP becomes a restricted free agent over the summer. The Knicks wanted cap space, picks and Smith. Teams don't give up two first rounders in trades even for stars. The Knicks got an unprotected pick in the deal. If that pick gets pushed back to 2022 it is the first draft with high school players and doubles the talent pool. They would be hard pressed to get a better deal. They have a ton of assets and cap space. That is a very hard thing for teams to do. They can be very fluid in how they approach the future. It doesn't just have to be about signing stars this summer.
CrushAlot @ 2/1/2019 10:04 PM
mlby1215 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:The irony part is that KP would probably still be here if Phil Jackson was in charge. Both wanted to trade away KP (lets assume the rumor about phil trading him is true) but the difference is that Phil would not find a trade he would like for weeks or months, but Mills would just in 25 minutes. After weeks or months, the sitution would cool down then KP would apologize then everything would make up.

But not in this case. Mills is Mills and people still refuse to believe it. I think he could wield a chainsaw and chop people right and left in MSG but fans still would say "this guy is probably not right....but.....maybe he has a reason to do so?"


They said they were aware of the situation and had begun exploring trade for a while. It just seemed like 25 minutes because none of us knew how tenuous the situation was. KP is gone and it's a bit of a gut punch, but it is what it is. Can't look back now, only forward to the summer.

The buttom line is that trade deadline is still a week away and Mills now is going to tell me it is the best ever deal he could get? I don't believe him.

They went to other teams who either werent interested or not willing to give up much

I believe the situation is that Mav intended to give what Mills wanted most, the caps. He needed the cap now and quick to keep his job. a lot more picks in future would not help him. (but would help Knicks)

The only chance he could turn around quick is FA. He bought out Noah, let Kanter and Quinn walk away. It is all about caps.

According to a poster on reddit, Perry on Michael Kay's show today said that the Knicks had been exploring interest in KP for months and that was why he was comfortable taking the Dallas deal.
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