Charles Barkley was outstanding. But he never led a team to win a ring.
The hype that precedes him will be so intense, and the New York expectations so high, he can only fail.
Alternate direction: trust the process can last another three years. The next component should be 6’10 with the handles of rod strickland, shot of Bob McAdoo and the hops of a gazelle
Patience
misterearl wrote:Charles Barkley was outstanding. But he never led a team to win a ring.The hype that precedes him will be so intense, and the New York expectations so high, he can only fail.
Alternate direction: trust the process can last another three years. The next component should be 6’10 with the handles of rod strickland, shot of Bob McAdoo and the hops of a gazelle
Patience
Gotta admit, I'm not seeing what other folks are seeing in Zion. He may end up being good but I'm not seeing a franchise caliber player.
He is not a finished product by any stretch. Of course he won’t be the Juggernut he is in college, but then won’t he still get stronger?
Barley didn’t win a ring? Should we have passed on Ewing? Stockton and Malone?
Turn down Zion if we get the #1 pick?
Turn down for who?
Turn down for what?!
Nalod wrote:He is not a finished product by any stretch. Of course he won’t be the Juggernut he is in college, but then won’t he still get stronger?
Barley didn’t win a ring? Should we have passed on Ewing? Stockton and Malone?
This ain’t a Mr America contest.
The Zion skill set does not translate into the NBA where he will attempt to dunk on grown ass men.
The Knicks front court will need to match up with the seven foot new school like Antetekoumbo, The Brow and Durant.
We need shooters who can fill it.
Even Patrick Ewing needed help. Exactly my point.
You get the #1 pick, you hail heavens and start planning.
Option 1: Pick Zion. No brainer. There are red flags, but there is potential franchise player along with winning attitude.
Option 2: Trade the pick ONLY for the second pick if that gets you another future pick. Why? Because Barrett might also be the truth and could end up being the best player in the draft when the hype dies and the dust settles.
No Anthony Davis, please. Even if we get Durant and a second star, we still should keep the future in sight so our pick in this draft is crucial.
If we get the #1 pick then you need to pick zion. Getting anybody close to barkley is a god send
Knicksfan wrote:You get the #1 pick, you hail heavens and start planning.Option 1: Pick Zion. No brainer. There are red flags, but there is potential franchise player along with winning attitude.
Option 2: Trade the pick ONLY for the second pick if that gets you another future pick. Why? Because Barrett might also be the truth and could end up being the best player in the draft when the hype dies and the dust settles.
No Anthony Davis, please. Even if we get Durant and a second star, we still should keep the future in sight so our pick in this draft is crucial.
I like option 2.....i have a feeling that zion will not be the best player in this draft. Hes the safest pick but Barrett or that PG could be a better pro. But to zions credit, hes a better prospect than Barkley at this age. More shooting skills and defensive instincts, which is something you cant teach. This is a situation where im happy either way. But i look at boston and how they turned the #1 pick into more picks and later picked 3rd who happens to be the best pick of the draft in Tatum. I want some of that luck.
misterearl wrote:Charles Barkley was outstanding. But he never led a team to win a ring.The hype that precedes him will be so intense, and the New York expectations so high, he can only fail.
Alternate direction: trust the process can last another three years. The next component should be 6’10 with the handles of rod strickland, shot of Bob McAdoo and the hops of a gazelle
Patience
didn’t we just trade the 7’3” version to dallas?
Earl, you are one of the posters who I really enjoy on this forum. Once again your words have merit and wisdom. Let us all take a breather and consider which BIG MAN were the championship centerpiece on title teams "recently". The only players that come to mind are Olajuwon, Shaq, Dunkin and then Nowitzki. For a while now it has been clear as day that backcourt players win titles nowadays and thats the direction. Durant and Lebron are backcourt players even at their height. The writing is on the wall. Sir Charles failing to win it all might not be the strongest point there, same for Ewing. Not being able to run an effective offense in todays NBA through a traditional orthodox big man IS that strong point however.
Marv wrote:misterearl wrote:Charles Barkley was outstanding. But he never led a team to win a ring.The hype that precedes him will be so intense, and the New York expectations so high, he can only fail.
Alternate direction: trust the process can last another three years. The next component should be 6’10 with the handles of rod strickland, shot of Bob McAdoo and the hops of a gazelle
Patience
didn’t we just trade the 7’3” version to dallas?
We sure did. But he wasn't ours to keep anyway, according to his brother. Its like dumping a chick who is not marriage material anyway. She has all the goods but you just know its gonna be bad because she is under complete control of her mother who is crazy and tells her everyday how much of a loser you are and how it would be better for her to dump you.. Yes, Janis is the mother in law in this analogy. Saves both parties the time and gives both a better chance of finding "the one"
ramtour420 wrote:Marv wrote:misterearl wrote:Charles Barkley was outstanding. But he never led a team to win a ring.The hype that precedes him will be so intense, and the New York expectations so high, he can only fail.
Alternate direction: trust the process can last another three years. The next component should be 6’10 with the handles of rod strickland, shot of Bob McAdoo and the hops of a gazelle
Patience
didn’t we just trade the 7’3” version to dallas?
We sure did. But he wasn't ours to keep anyway, according to his brother. Its like dumping a chick who is not marriage material anyway. She has all the goods but you just know its gonna be bad because she is under complete control of her mother who is crazy and tells her everyday how much of a loser you are and how it would be better for her to dump you.. Yes, Janis is the mother in law in this analogy. Saves both parties the time and gives both a better chance of finding "the one"
thanks. I needed that.
triplethreat has us all thinking more clearly these days.
misterearl wrote:Nalod wrote:He is not a finished product by any stretch. Of course he won’t be the Juggernut he is in college, but then won’t he still get stronger?
Barley didn’t win a ring? Should we have passed on Ewing? Stockton and Malone?
This ain’t a Mr America contest.
The Zion skill set does not translate into the NBA where he will attempt to dunk on grown ass men.
The Knicks front court will need to match up with the seven foot new school like Antetekoumbo, The Brow and Durant.
We need shooters who can fill it.
Even Patrick Ewing needed help. Exactly my point.
We build with him, not around him. I don’t see a messiah in this draft.
misterearl wrote:Charles Barkley was outstanding. But he never led a team to win a ring.The hype that precedes him will be so intense, and the New York expectations so high, he can only fail.
Alternate direction: trust the process can last another three years. The next component should be 6’10 with the handles of rod strickland, shot of Bob McAdoo and the hops of a gazelle
Patience
Yeah, the last thing I would want out of this draft is a top 25 player of all time and a future league MVP. BTW, you don't say what we should do instead of drafting Zion.
That Zion/Mitch Frontline defense could be worth it alone. Both of them can cover out to the 3.
Welpee wrote:misterearl wrote:Charles Barkley was outstanding. But he never led a team to win a ring.The hype that precedes him will be so intense, and the New York expectations so high, he can only fail.
Alternate direction: trust the process can last another three years. The next component should be 6’10 with the handles of rod strickland, shot of Bob McAdoo and the hops of a gazelle
Patience
Gotta admit, I'm not seeing what other folks are seeing in Zion. He may end up being good but I'm not seeing a franchise caliber player.
Not every first overall pick is a franchise player. For every Time Duncan there is a Kenyon Martin. That said, the #1 overall pick usually is the closest thing to an NBA caliber coming in then any other player coming in. Will he be LeBron? Probably not. But is he the safest bet to be a high level contributor in this draft class? Yeah.
misterearl wrote:Charles Barkley was outstanding. But he never led a team to win a ring.The hype that precedes him will be so intense, and the New York expectations so high, he can only fail.
Alternate direction: trust the process can last another three years. The next component should be 6’10 with the handles of rod strickland, shot of Bob McAdoo and the hops of a gazelle
Patience
Barkley came pretty close to a title in Phoenix. Probably would have won one if Dumas stayed off the nose candy. This doesn't just apply to Zion, but every player: It's a team effort. One player can't do it alone.
Marv wrote:misterearl wrote:Charles Barkley was outstanding. But he never led a team to win a ring.The hype that precedes him will be so intense, and the New York expectations so high, he can only fail.
Alternate direction: trust the process can last another three years. The next component should be 6’10 with the handles of rod strickland, shot of Bob McAdoo and the hops of a gazelle
Patience
didn’t we just trade the 7’3” version to dallas?
Mr Earl described the Unicorn. They are still “Fable”!
ramtour420 wrote:Earl, you are one of the posters who I really enjoy on this forum. Once again your words have merit and wisdom. Let us all take a breather and consider which BIG MAN were the championship centerpiece on title teams "recently". The only players that come to mind are Olajuwon, Shaq, Dunkin and then Nowitzki. For a while now it has been clear as day that backcourt players win titles nowadays and thats the direction. Durant and Lebron are backcourt players even at their height. The writing is on the wall. Sir Charles failing to win it all might not be the strongest point there, same for Ewing. Not being able to run an effective offense in todays NBA through a traditional orthodox big man IS that strong point however.
ramtour - Thank you for the kind words.
For me it is more a situational feeling. Not every player is built for New York. A college sophomore in the big city, with the weight of a franchise being the first player selected, just feels like a heavy load to drop on him.
There were no saviors on the 1969 or 1973 championship teams.
Constructed with deliberate care. DeBusschere was no savior, but he was the straw (via his veteran presence) that stirred the drink.
They were greater than the sum of their parts.
Take it slow.
misterearl wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Earl, you are one of the posters who I really enjoy on this forum. Once again your words have merit and wisdom. Let us all take a breather and consider which BIG MAN were the championship centerpiece on title teams "recently". The only players that come to mind are Olajuwon, Shaq, Dunkin and then Nowitzki. For a while now it has been clear as day that backcourt players win titles nowadays and thats the direction. Durant and Lebron are backcourt players even at their height. The writing is on the wall. Sir Charles failing to win it all might not be the strongest point there, same for Ewing. Not being able to run an effective offense in todays NBA through a traditional orthodox big man IS that strong point however.
ramtour - Thank you for the kind words.
For me it is more a situational feeling. Not every player is built for New York. A college sophomore in the big city, with the weight of a franchise being the first player selected, just feels like a heavy load to drop on him.
There were no saviors on the 1969 or 1973 championship teams.
Constructed with deliberate care. DeBusschere was no savior, but he was the straw (via his veteran presence) that stirred the drink.
They were greater than the sum of their parts.
Take it slow.
Good advice. Number one picks come in a number of flavors, one a franchise player, two a player, three a bust. Many more busts than example one or two.
I'm ambivalent on Zion. The Knicks in recent years (Phil years) have done well picking later in the pack. I'm anxious post-Phil to see what transpires.
I understand slowing down the hype train and worrying about college dominance vs the nba-
but Zion seems like his skill and strength will translate beyond conventional measurements - Ben Wallace, Draymond , Barkley, Moses Malone- some guys defy height w strength and quickness. I'd be ok w Ziorange and blueon.
