Knicks · What do the Knicks end up doing with the 3rd pick? (page 1)

CrushAlot wrote:I agree about the asking price for AD. I worry about a second Melo like trade if the Knicks go that route. I think taking Barrett if he is there would be the best move.

Easy

WE draft before we sign FA’s. Today if your asking, we take R.J.

2017 Jayson Tatum, Duke – Boston Celtics
2016 Jaylen Brown, California – Boston Celtics
2015 Jahlil Okafor, Duke – Philadelphia 76ers
2014 Joel Embiid, Kansas – Philadelphia 76ers
2013 Otto Porter, Georgetown – Washington Wizards
2012 Bradley Beal, Florida – Washington Wizards
2011 Enes Kanter, Kentucky – Utah Jazz
2010 Derrick Favors, Georgia Tech – New Jersey Nets

2000’s

2009 James Harden, Arizona State – Oklahoma City Thunder
2008 O.J. Mayo, USC – Minnesota Timberwolves
2007 Al Horford, Florida – Atlanta Hawks
2006 Adam Morrison, Gonzaga – Charlotte Bobcats
2005 Deron Williams, Illinois – Utah Jazz
2004 Ben Gordon, Connecticut – Chicago Bulls
2003 Carmelo Anthony, Syracuse – Denver Nuggets
2002 Mike Dunleavy, Duke – Golden State Warriors
2001 Pau Gasol, Spain – Atlanta Hawks
2000 Darius Miles, East St. Louis HS (Mo.) – L.A. Clippers

1990’s

1999 Baron Davis, UCLA – Charlotte Hornets
1998 Raef LaFrentz, Kansas – Denver Nuggets
1997 Chauncey Billups, Colorado – Boston Celtics
1996 Shareef Abdur-Rahim, California – Vancouver Grizzlies
1995 Jerry Stackhouse, North Carolina – Philadelphia 76ers
1994 Grant Hill, Duke – Detroit Pistons
1993 Anfernee Hardaway, Memphis – Golden State Warriors
1992 Christian Laettner, Duke – Minnesota Timberwolves
1991 Billy Owens, Syracuse – Sacramento Kings
1990 Chris Jackson, Louisiana State – Denver Nuggets

1980’s

1989 Sean Elliott, Arizona – San Antonio Spurs
1988 Charles Smith, Pittsburgh – Philadelphia 76ers
1987 Dennis Hopson, Ohio State – New Jersey Nets
1986 Chris Washburn, North Carolina State – Golden State Warriors
1985 Benoit Benjamin, Creighton – L.A. Clippers
1984 Michael Jordan, North Carolina – Chicago Bulls
1983 Rodney McCray, Louisville – Houston Rockets
1982 Dominique Wilkins, Georgia – Utah Jazz
1981 Buck Williams, Maryland – New Jersey Nets
1980 Kevin McHale, Minnesota – Boston Celtics

Chandler wrote:History. Some HoFers and some real duds too. With the caveat that I have never been good at predicting NBA success of college players, I am hoping we pick Morant or Garland or facing that someone with legitimate playmaking ability and defense. We need to get back to sharing the ball.

2017 Jayson Tatum, Duke – Boston Celtics
2016 Jaylen Brown, California – Boston Celtics
2015 Jahlil Okafor, Duke – Philadelphia 76ers
2014 Joel Embiid, Kansas – Philadelphia 76ers
2013 Otto Porter, Georgetown – Washington Wizards
2012 Bradley Beal, Florida – Washington Wizards
2011 Enes Kanter, Kentucky – Utah Jazz
2010 Derrick Favors, Georgia Tech – New Jersey Nets

2000’s

2009 James Harden, Arizona State – Oklahoma City Thunder
2008 O.J. Mayo, USC – Minnesota Timberwolves
2007 Al Horford, Florida – Atlanta Hawks
2006 Adam Morrison, Gonzaga – Charlotte Bobcats
2005 Deron Williams, Illinois – Utah Jazz
2004 Ben Gordon, Connecticut – Chicago Bulls
2003 Carmelo Anthony, Syracuse – Denver Nuggets
2002 Mike Dunleavy, Duke – Golden State Warriors
2001 Pau Gasol, Spain – Atlanta Hawks
2000 Darius Miles, East St. Louis HS (Mo.) – L.A. Clippers

1990’s

1999 Baron Davis, UCLA – Charlotte Hornets
1998 Raef LaFrentz, Kansas – Denver Nuggets
1997 Chauncey Billups, Colorado – Boston Celtics
1996 Shareef Abdur-Rahim, California – Vancouver Grizzlies
1995 Jerry Stackhouse, North Carolina – Philadelphia 76ers
1994 Grant Hill, Duke – Detroit Pistons
1993 Anfernee Hardaway, Memphis – Golden State Warriors
1992 Christian Laettner, Duke – Minnesota Timberwolves
1991 Billy Owens, Syracuse – Sacramento Kings
1990 Chris Jackson, Louisiana State – Denver Nuggets

1980’s

1989 Sean Elliott, Arizona – San Antonio Spurs
1988 Charles Smith, Pittsburgh – Philadelphia 76ers
1987 Dennis Hopson, Ohio State – New Jersey Nets
1986 Chris Washburn, North Carolina State – Golden State Warriors
1985 Benoit Benjamin, Creighton – L.A. Clippers
1984 Michael Jordan, North Carolina – Chicago Bulls
1983 Rodney McCray, Louisville – Houston Rockets
1982 Dominique Wilkins, Georgia – Utah Jazz
1981 Buck Williams, Maryland – New Jersey Nets
1980 Kevin McHale, Minnesota – Boston Celtics

I think the 3rd pick has a good success rate compared to most of the picks. The 2nd seems to have been cursed since the 1990s ended!:

Number 2

Year Player School/Country – Team

2017 Lonzo Ball, UCLA – Los Angeles Lakers
2016 Brandon Ingram, Duke – Los Angeles Lakers
2015 D’Angelo Russell, Ohio State – Los Angeles Lakers
2014 Jabari Parker, Duke – Milwaukee Bucks
2013 Victor Oladipo, Indiana – Orlando Magic
2012 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Kentucky – Charlotte Bobcats
2011 Derrick Williams, Arizona – Minnesota Timberwolves
2010 Evan Turner, Ohio State – Philadelphia 76ers

2000’s

2009 Hasheem Thabeet, Connecticut – Memphis Grizzlies
2008 Michael Beasley, Kansas State – Miami HEAT
2007 Kevin Durant, Texas – Seattle Supersonics
2006 LaMarcus Aldridge, Texas – Chicago Bulls (Draft rights traded to Portland Trail Blazers)
2005 Marvin Williams, North Carolina – Atlanta Hawks
2004 Emeka Okafor, Connecticut – Charlotte Bobcats
2003 Darko Milicic, Serbia & Montenegro – Detroit Pistons
2002 Jay Williams, Duke – Chicago Bulls
2001 Tyson Chandler, Dominguez HS (Calif.) – L.A. Clippers (Draft rights traded to Chicago Bulls)
2000 Stromile Swift, LSU – Vancouver Grizzlies

1990’s

1999 Steve Francis, Maryland – Vancouver Grizzlies
1998 Mike Bibby, Arizona – Vancouver Grizzlies
1997 Keith Van Horn, Utah – Philadelphia 76ers (Draft rights traded to New Jersey Nets)
1996 Marcus Camby, Massachusetts – Toronto Raptors
1995 Antonio McDyess, Alabama – L.A. Clippers (Draft rights traded to Denver Nuggets)
1994 Jason Kidd, California – Dallas Mavericks
1993 Shawn Bradley, Brigham Young – Philadelphia 76ers
1992 Alonzo Mourning, Georgetown – Charlotte Hornets
1991 Kenny Anderson, Georgia Tech – New Jersey Nets
1990 Gary Payton, Oregon State – Seattle Supersonics

NYKBocker wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I agree about the asking price for AD. I worry about a second Melo like trade if the Knicks go that route. I think taking Barrett if he is there would be the best move.

I go as far as the 3rd pick, Kevin knox, DSJr and the Dallas 2023 1st Rd pick for AD and that's it. Anything more than that would be counterproductive

I suppose it depends on whether you're trying to land AD as one of 2 stars, in which case you don't empty the cupboard, or as one of 3 stars, in which case you'd have to to make the salaries work.

To be honest I wouldn't offer much player wise if AD is only one of 2 stars, because we'd be left far too thin it wouldn't be worth it. No way would I trade Mitch.

Amusingly enough, Griffin has rather generously already told us all what he'd trade AD for when he was a commentator on ESPN a few months ago . Here it is at the 5min mark:

So, he said:

1) at least one young player with star potential
2) Picks
3) an elite role player veteran

So that would favour Boston- the key thing is if Kyrie says he won't re-sign regardless, that may deter Boston from wanting an AD trade. Really Boston tick all the boxes, so I think that makes them the most likely destination. What f

In another video, Griffin says he wouldn't trade for Ball because of his dad, but says Pelicans were much better when they had a PG to play alongside Holiday. Again Boston could include one (Rozier sign and trade).

So Boston could do

1) Brown or Tatum, plus Rozier
2) this years picks and or the Memphis pick (top 6 protected next year, unprotected the year after)
3) Smart or Horford

We could fulfil category 1 and 2, but we have no elite vet role players to offer them.

I don't think he will be giving the knicks a favorable deal of any sorts for AD

knicks1248 wrote:Wasn't Griffin the same guy Mills told toid kick rocks because he wanted a lot more power As the GM for the knicks..

I don't think he will be giving the knicks a favorable deal of any sorts for AD

That's your reasoning?
He makes the best deal possible for the Pels no matter what. Owner has final say. If Mrs. B and her advisors says deal with lakers is best for Pels, that's the deal. If she says "I take it personal and even though Magic is gone No WAY".....that's that her choice, not Griffin's.

But to even think "oh, I interviewed with knicks and although they did not make an offer I wanted full autonomy and they said that was not a good fit, so I won't deal with knicks".

How would that fly if you owned the team?

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Wasn't Griffin the same guy Mills told toid kick rocks because he wanted a lot more power As the GM for the knicks..

I don't think he will be giving the knicks a favorable deal of any sorts for AD

That's your reasoning?
He makes the best deal possible for the Pels no matter what. Owner has final say. If Mrs. B and her advisors says deal with lakers is best for Pels, that's the deal. If she says "I take it personal and even though Magic is gone No WAY".....that's that her choice, not Griffin's.

But to even think "oh, I interviewed with knicks and although they did not make an offer I wanted full autonomy and they said that was not a good fit, so I won't deal with knicks".

How would that fly if you owned the team?

SMH...all he has to do is raise the price tag

Knicksfan wrote:Pick whoever the Grizz doesn’t pick between RJ and Ja.

Easy

Yup. Why play hard to get? Identify your target and go home with her. If someone takes your chica, go home with her hot best friend. The idea is to go home with a hot chick. Not two phone numbers to be used later.

Knicksfan wrote:Pick whoever the Grizz doesn’t pick between RJ and Ja.

Easy

+1

The best life advice I ever got was: don't question the blessings

Vmart wrote:Only thing the Knicks will do with the third pick is make matters worse. They are going to ruin anyone that they take.

don't listen to him basketball gods.

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Wasn't Griffin the same guy Mills told toid kick rocks because he wanted a lot more power As the GM for the knicks..

I don't think he will be giving the knicks a favorable deal of any sorts for AD

That's your reasoning?
He makes the best deal possible for the Pels no matter what. Owner has final say. If Mrs. B and her advisors says deal with lakers is best for Pels, that's the deal. If she says "I take it personal and even though Magic is gone No WAY".....that's that her choice, not Griffin's.

But to even think "oh, I interviewed with knicks and although they did not make an offer I wanted full autonomy and they said that was not a good fit, so I won't deal with knicks".

How would that fly if you owned the team?

SMH...all he has to do is raise the price tag

Typical open ended lack of detail lazy answer. You did not answer the question......
Im asking you if your the owner and you got wind that your guy took less from another team because he was not granted something during a negotiation that preceded his employment would you say he did not put the teams best interests first?

He rejects the better offer.
Raises the price, knicks walk.

Say you want to sell your car to Nalod. Your asking $10,000. I offer you $9500. someone offers you $9,200, but because Nalod calls you "rainman" you say "screw that, this is a good car and I'd be damned If I will let him have it for less than asking!!!! Then you accept the $9200, that's on you.

Say in the above situation your Sister asks you to sell the car for you. I offer you full price, $10,000. You respond with "10,500" and I instead walk. Your sister asks you about it and you say "Nalod called me a name, so I asked for more money"....
She replies: SO what happened?
"He Walked, no sale". Got an offer from Vmart for $9200!! Vmart is my friend.
She replies: "What did he call you"?
"Rainman"
Why?
"says I focus more on my agenda and not listen to reason"
Sister: does he have something against Autistic people?
No, he just says Im like the fictional character in the movie by the same name. I laugh at him.
Sister: Well done "RAINMAN"! You just cost me $1300!!!!

Marv wrote:

Vmart wrote:Only thing the Knicks will do with the third pick is make matters worse. They are going to ruin anyone that they take.

don't listen to him basketball gods.

smackeddog wrote:

2:33 was just starksian...

Marv wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

2:33 was just starksian...

I do like that video!

Vmart wrote:Only thing the Knicks will do with the third pick is make matters worse. They are going to ruin anyone that they take.