SupremeCommander wrote:crzymdups wrote:I could see the Lakers taking Culver @ 4, so I wouldn't trade back to 5.I hope the Knicks just draft RJ at 3 and try to sign KD and Kyrie. I don't want to do a five quarters for a dollar trade for AD and have no roster depth. Also, if KD wants to win his own ring, how does winning one with AD accomplish that? I like AD, but I hope the Knicks don't trade all their youth away to build a "super team".
Not a huge RJ fan yet, but he's definitely the best prospect at 3 and I might take him over Morant as well. I would worry we'd get burned passing on him. I think he could be a mix of Jalen Rose and Harden at the next level. With the way fouls are called in the league today, he'd clean up. Also, I watched the Duke team a bunch - there was no spacing at all and RJ is clearly a guy who would benefit playing off guys who could shoot. (i.e. Knox, KD, Kyrie, etc)
I've heard him compared to Harden and TMac. He put up historic numbers for a freshman in the ACC. I am commenting on your post because you would take him but aren't excited. I am really commenting at others that don't like his game and would take Garland or Culver or some other lotto ticket. RJ was the consensus #1 overall pick in the pre season. I wish he was a better/more efficient shooter but I mean fuck, we are stumbling into a blue chip prospect. Sure, that might not pan out. But I would rather bet on a blue chip at a discount than some crazy random best case scenario
100%
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but let's say, very hypothetically, if KD comes then... then this is probably our last chance to get a starter on a rookie deal. We def got one in Mitch Rob. Maybe Knox. RJ we better not trade out of .
ramtour420 wrote:Not sure if this has been mentioned, but let's say, very hypothetically, if KD comes then... then this is probably our last chance to get a starter on a rookie deal. We def got one in Mitch Rob. Maybe Knox. RJ we better not trade out of .
I agree about RJ. But we also have six firsts over the next four years from 2020 to 2023 (our own and two dallas picks (and we have two Charlotte seconds that could be high 30s)...
We should be able to draft another starter, or hopefully two with six first rounders. Even if that means packaging a few to move up. It's imperative to keep drafting well whether you are drafting in the lotto or mid or late first.
crzymdups wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Not sure if this has been mentioned, but let's say, very hypothetically, if KD comes then... then this is probably our last chance to get a starter on a rookie deal. We def got one in Mitch Rob. Maybe Knox. RJ we better not trade out of .
I agree about RJ. But we also have six firsts over the next four years from 2020 to 2023 (our own and two dallas picks (and we have two Charlotte seconds that could be high 30s)...
We should be able to draft another starter, or hopefully two with six first rounders. Even if that means packaging a few to move up. It's imperative to keep drafting well whether you are drafting in the lotto or mid or late first.
Ok we will get more chances, but trying to add a starter with ,say, an 8th pick is a whole another story. Yes there are some drafts 5-6 players deep but how often do those come around? Some drafts are 1-2 players deep. Yes we can also luck out and move up but that's such a low% chance. We will likely not see another top 3 pick if KD signs. Maybe that Dallas unprotected could be an exception, can't count on that tho
Check the market, but in the end, don’t overthink: pick R.J. and move on.
RJ reminds me of a lefty Scottie Pippen. When RJ retires I hope his espn description is that he dunked really hard on KP
NYKBocker wrote:RJ reminds me of a lefty Scottie Pippen. When RJ retires I hope his espn description is that he dunked really hard on KP
...on his way to one of many rings with the Knicks.
NYKBocker wrote:RJ reminds me of a lefty Scottie Pippen. When RJ retires I hope his espn description is that he dunked really hard on KP
Scottie Pippen over Ewing style? That's cold man
martin wrote:NYKBocker wrote:RJ reminds me of a lefty Scottie Pippen. When RJ retires I hope his espn description is that he dunked really hard on KP
Scottie Pippen over Ewing style? That's cold man
You ever see Pippen 's info on the screen on espn? I thought it was hilarious but you are right. Cold.
martin wrote:NYKBocker wrote:RJ reminds me of a lefty Scottie Pippen. When RJ retires I hope his espn description is that he dunked really hard on KP
Scottie Pippen over Ewing style? That's cold man
It says more for Patrick that he's the one thing keeping Scotty relevant after all these years.
SupremeCommander wrote:crzymdups wrote:I could see the Lakers taking Culver @ 4, so I wouldn't trade back to 5.I hope the Knicks just draft RJ at 3 and try to sign KD and Kyrie. I don't want to do a five quarters for a dollar trade for AD and have no roster depth. Also, if KD wants to win his own ring, how does winning one with AD accomplish that? I like AD, but I hope the Knicks don't trade all their youth away to build a "super team".
Not a huge RJ fan yet, but he's definitely the best prospect at 3 and I might take him over Morant as well. I would worry we'd get burned passing on him. I think he could be a mix of Jalen Rose and Harden at the next level. With the way fouls are called in the league today, he'd clean up. Also, I watched the Duke team a bunch - there was no spacing at all and RJ is clearly a guy who would benefit playing off guys who could shoot. (i.e. Knox, KD, Kyrie, etc)
I've heard him compared to Harden and TMac. He put up historic numbers for a freshman in the ACC. I am commenting on your post because you would take him but aren't excited. I am really commenting at others that don't like his game and would take Garland or Culver or some other lotto ticket. RJ was the consensus #1 overall pick in the pre season. I wish he was a better/more efficient shooter but I mean fuck, we are stumbling into a blue chip prospect. Sure, that might not pan out. But I would rather bet on a blue chip at a discount than some crazy random best case scenario
My problem with RJ - he's not great at things that you need in a superstar in todays game. He's not a great shooter. He's not a great defender (though he has the physique to do so). He's not a great passer. He's a volume shooter with questionable decision making. If you can get assets for him I'd go for it. Harden is a great shooter. Pippen is a great defender. RJ is neither of those things yet.
knickstorrents wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:crzymdups wrote:I could see the Lakers taking Culver @ 4, so I wouldn't trade back to 5.I hope the Knicks just draft RJ at 3 and try to sign KD and Kyrie. I don't want to do a five quarters for a dollar trade for AD and have no roster depth. Also, if KD wants to win his own ring, how does winning one with AD accomplish that? I like AD, but I hope the Knicks don't trade all their youth away to build a "super team".
Not a huge RJ fan yet, but he's definitely the best prospect at 3 and I might take him over Morant as well. I would worry we'd get burned passing on him. I think he could be a mix of Jalen Rose and Harden at the next level. With the way fouls are called in the league today, he'd clean up. Also, I watched the Duke team a bunch - there was no spacing at all and RJ is clearly a guy who would benefit playing off guys who could shoot. (i.e. Knox, KD, Kyrie, etc)
I've heard him compared to Harden and TMac. He put up historic numbers for a freshman in the ACC. I am commenting on your post because you would take him but aren't excited. I am really commenting at others that don't like his game and would take Garland or Culver or some other lotto ticket. RJ was the consensus #1 overall pick in the pre season. I wish he was a better/more efficient shooter but I mean fuck, we are stumbling into a blue chip prospect. Sure, that might not pan out. But I would rather bet on a blue chip at a discount than some crazy random best case scenario
My problem with RJ - he's not great at things that you need in a superstar in todays game. He's not a great shooter. He's not a great defender (though he has the physique to do so). He's not a great passer. He's a volume shooter with questionable decision making. If you can get assets for him I'd go for it. Harden is a great shooter. Pippen is a great defender. RJ is neither of those things yet.
Put some perspective on his name....the kid is just 18....what do you expect??? He is nowhere near a finished product. The kid averaged 22 per in one of the tougher conferences with a generational talent on the team.
Cut the kid some slack.
knickstorrents wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:crzymdups wrote:I could see the Lakers taking Culver @ 4, so I wouldn't trade back to 5.I hope the Knicks just draft RJ at 3 and try to sign KD and Kyrie. I don't want to do a five quarters for a dollar trade for AD and have no roster depth. Also, if KD wants to win his own ring, how does winning one with AD accomplish that? I like AD, but I hope the Knicks don't trade all their youth away to build a "super team".
Not a huge RJ fan yet, but he's definitely the best prospect at 3 and I might take him over Morant as well. I would worry we'd get burned passing on him. I think he could be a mix of Jalen Rose and Harden at the next level. With the way fouls are called in the league today, he'd clean up. Also, I watched the Duke team a bunch - there was no spacing at all and RJ is clearly a guy who would benefit playing off guys who could shoot. (i.e. Knox, KD, Kyrie, etc)
I've heard him compared to Harden and TMac. He put up historic numbers for a freshman in the ACC. I am commenting on your post because you would take him but aren't excited. I am really commenting at others that don't like his game and would take Garland or Culver or some other lotto ticket. RJ was the consensus #1 overall pick in the pre season. I wish he was a better/more efficient shooter but I mean fuck, we are stumbling into a blue chip prospect. Sure, that might not pan out. But I would rather bet on a blue chip at a discount than some crazy random best case scenario
My problem with RJ - he's not great at things that you need in a superstar in todays game. He's not a great shooter. He's not a great defender (though he has the physique to do so). He's not a great passer. He's a volume shooter with questionable decision making. If you can get assets for him I'd go for it. Harden is a great shooter. Pippen is a great defender. RJ is neither of those things yet.
The players you mention had things to work on when they came out to the NBA. Your comparing HOF talent to a one and done kid. Zion is a god, but his outside shooting is not great. Morant has holes in his game.
Jordan went no 3 behind Sam Bowie and Hakeem. Bowie was polished. Hakeem was a freak but fundamentally no offense. Yet!!! Jordan was a skinny sophomore but was not seen as the god he became. The point? Very few players are a sure thing. Zion for all his freakish attributes has a body not easily comparable to another. That makes him special and intriguing or its a warning. Take away his highlight hops and who is he? Because 82 games is going to be a big adjustment for him as will the wear and tear of what we saw. You take him for sure, but Barrett might be special too. Not Jordan special, but really whose to say not??? “HINDSIGHT WILL”!!
Interesting that the Knicks seemed to get Hahn and Bagely to instantly strike this down:
Knicks should take the BPA at 3 and take the phone off the hook. Why trade back if it is considered a 3 player draft?
JesseDark wrote:Knicks should take the BPA at 3 and take the phone off the hook. Why trade back if it is considered a 3 player draft?
Because if we sign KD and Kemba/Kyrie, it raises the question as to whether you want player with best upside but poor fit, or better fitting 3-D role player types.
Knicks are in a great position right now. If anybody wants to trade for the 3rd pick then you ask for 3 first round picks. If Atlanta wants RJ then give me the 8th, 10th and 35th pick of this years draft plus a future 1st rounder. If not then I pick RJ. That is the price.
NYKBocker wrote:Knicks are in a great position right now. If anybody wants to trade for the 3rd pick then you ask for 3 first round picks. If Atlanta wants RJ then give me the 8th, 10th and 35th pick of this years draft plus a future 1st rounder. If not then I pick RJ. That is the price.
We already have our all our 1st round picks, plus the two from Dallas. If we were back in the days when all our draft picks were spoken for (for years) Id agree about maybe trading this pick for more picks.
I wouldn't pass on Barrett for draft picks. Highest pick since 85', hope Perry/Mills drafts Barrett, and dont look back.
Im ok with them "Investigating" the possibility. If the thought is to sign Durant and say Kyrie you have to think there would be "timeline" trade(s) also to put an in the moment team around them.
I Mitch is not ready for deep playoff runs! Nor Knox, or DSjr. Im not sayting all get traded, but you get the jest.
Would Hunter be as good as Knox the next two years?? Is Redish seen as Knox and might need work but good upside over the longer run? See what Im doing, I still have a player for later.
This is not my preference. just looking at scenarios and trying to understand.
smackeddog wrote:JesseDark wrote:Knicks should take the BPA at 3 and take the phone off the hook. Why trade back if it is considered a 3 player draft?
Because if we sign KD and Kemba/Kyrie, it raises the question as to whether you want player with best upside but poor fit, or better fitting 3-D role player types.
I could see us moving back from 4 or 5, because the players projected between 4-10 are in the same tier. But for 3 no way.
