As far as NBA And poor owners as far as Dolan
Knicks fans whether we like it Or not? Needed to
Win #1 pick probable Zion williamson.
Sour grapes? Me naw
But Pelicans as #1 where no one wants to go is sad, horrible.
There (yeah I know nyk land ain't joy either)
Pelicans is midwest Knicks v2.0 but with more recent
Success in Playoffs yrs, where AD cared or management did better to surround A.Davis
Point of my chats here is May 14 draft was Zion Or bust.
No wanna hear anything about other players RJ
And whomever or Zion could not shoot.
We needed #1 win pick
Thus we are nothing in NBA now or short term future.
Other pro sports teams tanked and got things better than
Knickerbockers ever will in history.
DJMUSIC wrote:As far as NBA And poor owners as far as Dolan
Knicks fans whether we like it Or not? Needed to
Win #1 pick probable Zion williamson. Sour grapes? Me naw
But Pelicans as #1 where no one wants to go is sad, horrible.
There (yeah I know nyk land ain't joy either)
Pelicans is midwest Knicks v2.0 but with more recent
Success in Playoffs yrs, where AD cared or management did better to surround A.Davis
Point of my chats here is May 14 draft was Zion Or bust.
No wanna hear anything about other players RJ
And whomever or Zion could not shoot.
We needed #1 win pick
Thus we are nothing in NBA now or short term future.
Other pro sports teams tanked and got things better than
Knickerbockers ever will in history.
bro u’re one of the most creative and lyrical posters here for a long time but i hope u can see through the disappointment to $74M in choice free agent space and a deep vein of true young talent. zion would have been the sh^*s but even without him we’re in a better place than we’ve been for a long ass time.
As Russian saying goes: "If bung - bung the Queen, if stole - stole a Million"
This what NY fans mentality always was and still is.
No one can prohibit happy dreams.
Knicks needed more than probable improvement
Consider? What #1 pick mystery in media
Would mean to new York city and talk sports
It dont matter if Zion was total bust 2-3
Yrs.. down the road That aint my point.
My point simply is with Dolan flubs, flunks
Bad coaches, bad playas, bad teams all that
Would have been extinct for 1 summer preceding
NBA June 2019 draft.
Most intriguing knick story was to be
Collegiate #1 2019 , consensus Zion Williamson
Would NYC embrace him as #1 pick Welcome Big apple!
That's way it needed to pan out, Our fan base
Needed the talks positive to knickerbockers.
We didn't get that! Its way too accepting in
Our knick land, is disgustingly sad. That's how
I feel, tanking OR NOT tanking, we got odds *jipped!
Write it in stone brothers and sisters :( 
Historically the #3 pick isn't bad. Except in 2011.
Michael Jordan 1984 Houston Rockets Hakeem Olajuwon
Benoit Benjamin 1985 New York Knicks Patrick Ewing
Chris Washburn 1986 Cleveland Cavaliers Brad Daugherty
Dennis Hopson 1987 San Antonio Spurs David Robinson
Charles Smith 1988 Los Angeles Clippers Danny Manning
Sean Elliott 1989 Sacramento Kings Pervis Ellison
Chris Jackson 1990 New Jersey Nets Derrick Coleman
Billy Ownes 1991 Charlotte Hornets Larry Johnson
Christian Laetner 1992 Orlando Magic Shaquille O'Neal
Anfernee Hardaway 1993 Orlando Magic Chris Webber
Grant Hill 1994 Milwaukee Bucks Glenn Robinson
Jerry Stackhouse 1995 Golden State Warriors Joe Smith
Shareef A Rahim 1996 Philadelphia 76ers Allen Iverson
Chauncey Billups 1997 San Antonio Spurs Tim Duncan
Raef Lafrentz 1998 Los Angeles Clippers Michael Olowokandi
Baron Davis 1999 Chicago Bulls Elton Brand
Darius Miles 2000 New Jersey Nets Kenyon Martin
Pao Gasol 2001 Washington Wizards Kwame Brown
Mike Dunleavy 2002 Houston Rockets Yao Ming
Carmelo Anthony 2003 Cleveland Cavaliers LeBron James
Ben Gordon 2004 Orlando Magic Dwight Howard
Deron Williams 2005 Milwaukee Bucks Andrew Bogut
Adam Morrison 2006 Toronto Raptors Andrea Bargnani
Al Horford 2007 Portland Trail Blazers Greg Oden
OJ Mayo 2008 Chicago Bulls Derrick Rose
James Harden 2009 Los Angeles Clippers Blake Griffin
Derrick Favors 2010 Washington Wizards John Wall
Enes Kanter 2011 Cleveland Cavaliers Kyrie Irving
Bradley Beal 2012 New Orleans Hornets Anthony Davis
Otto POrter 2013 Cleveland Cavaliers Anthony Bennett
Joel Embiid 2014 Cleveland Cavaliers Andrew Wiggins
Jahlill Okafor 2015 Minnesota Timberwolves Karl-Anthony Towns
Jaylen Brown 2016 Philadelphia 76ers Ben Simmons
Jayson Tatum 2017 Philadelphia 76ers Markelle Fultz
Luka Doncic 2018 Phoenix Suns Deandre Ayton
Yes Zion is the bright shiny must have addition. Our losing season was for nothin. We put all of them eggs in one basket. Now it's all gloom and doom. Yes we put ourselves in the best position, but who cares, right? Being sour at the things you cannot control is ... Never mind that RJ might be the better pick down the line. Never mind that RJ is the better fit with KD. Never mind that RJ is better suited for today's NBA period. This is not the league of 20 years ago. Let's sob on each other's shoulder, that 14% was right there for grabs and we just couldn't do eet
Zion to Pelicans is a huge loss to the NBA. The marketing oppurtunities with Zion in NY would of been great for the league.
Sambakick wrote:Historically the #3 pick isn't bad. Except in 2011.Michael Jordan 1984 Houston Rockets Hakeem Olajuwon
Benoit Benjamin 1985 New York Knicks Patrick Ewing
Chris Washburn 1986 Cleveland Cavaliers Brad Daugherty
Dennis Hopson 1987 San Antonio Spurs David Robinson
Charles Smith 1988 Los Angeles Clippers Danny Manning
Sean Elliott 1989 Sacramento Kings Pervis Ellison
Chris Jackson 1990 New Jersey Nets Derrick Coleman
Billy Ownes 1991 Charlotte Hornets Larry Johnson
Christian Laetner 1992 Orlando Magic Shaquille O'Neal
Anfernee Hardaway 1993 Orlando Magic Chris Webber
Grant Hill 1994 Milwaukee Bucks Glenn Robinson
Jerry Stackhouse 1995 Golden State Warriors Joe Smith
Shareef A Rahim 1996 Philadelphia 76ers Allen Iverson
Chauncey Billups 1997 San Antonio Spurs Tim Duncan
Raef Lafrentz 1998 Los Angeles Clippers Michael Olowokandi
Baron Davis 1999 Chicago Bulls Elton Brand
Darius Miles 2000 New Jersey Nets Kenyon Martin
Pao Gasol 2001 Washington Wizards Kwame Brown
Mike Dunleavy 2002 Houston Rockets Yao Ming
Carmelo Anthony 2003 Cleveland Cavaliers LeBron James
Ben Gordon 2004 Orlando Magic Dwight Howard
Deron Williams 2005 Milwaukee Bucks Andrew Bogut
Adam Morrison 2006 Toronto Raptors Andrea Bargnani
Al Horford 2007 Portland Trail Blazers Greg Oden
OJ Mayo 2008 Chicago Bulls Derrick Rose
James Harden 2009 Los Angeles Clippers Blake Griffin
Derrick Favors 2010 Washington Wizards John Wall
Enes Kanter 2011 Cleveland Cavaliers Kyrie Irving
Bradley Beal 2012 New Orleans Hornets Anthony Davis
Otto POrter 2013 Cleveland Cavaliers Anthony Bennett
Joel Embiid 2014 Cleveland Cavaliers Andrew Wiggins
Jahlill Okafor 2015 Minnesota Timberwolves Karl-Anthony Towns
Jaylen Brown 2016 Philadelphia 76ers Ben Simmons
Jayson Tatum 2017 Philadelphia 76ers Markelle Fultz
Luka Doncic 2018 Phoenix Suns Deandre Ayton
And 2000, 2008,2006, and 2000 lol.
Jmpasq wrote:Zion to Pelicans is a huge loss to the NBA. The marketing oppurtunities with Zion in NY would of been great for the league.
I agree and really don't know how much maneuvering the NBA does with new players like Zion to help itself out and to help out certain franchises. It's too coincidental for me for players like LeBron, Rose going to hometown teams.
Is it such that NBA knows AD is leaving and would otherwise decimate a team like New Orleans without that top pick in Zion? Is there some sort of OTHER agreement that New Orleans is doing for the NBA that would make it worthwhile to slide that pick to them?
If indeed there is an assumption that the NBA helps itself with moves like this... is Zion going to NY the maximum value the NBA could get? i.e. if the NBA makes the assumption that KD/Kyrie are going to NY, what good would adding Zion to that really do? Does it move the needle more? Probably not.
Its back engineering. Well, knicks got third because NOLA and Mem went ahead......?
Coincidence? Knicks in our minds get punished for some reasons?? Lakers get shined?
You think influential owners like Dolan are cool with Nola getting Zion over them?
That there is some round table that "Since your getting Durant, you should be satisfied?"
Not Jerry Buss for years gets to feast on leagues stupidity and build dynasty after dynsasty? That Red Auerbach made the league look stupid for generations? He had Len Bias too!!
Some teams are just better than others.
Nalod wrote:Its back engineering. Well, knicks got third because NOLA and Mem went ahead......?
Coincidence? Knicks in our minds get punished for some reasons?? Lakers get shined?
You think influential owners like Dolan are cool with Nola getting Zion over them?
That there is some round table that "Since your getting Durant, you should be satisfied?"
Not Jerry Buss for years gets to feast on leagues stupidity and build dynasty after dynsasty? That Red Auerbach made the league look stupid for generations? He had Len Bias too!! Some teams are just better than others.
What is it with you and conspiracy? For some reason you just don’t believe in them. Hate to disappoint you but there are conspirators out there.
Vmart wrote:Nalod wrote:Its back engineering. Well, knicks got third because NOLA and Mem went ahead......?
Coincidence? Knicks in our minds get punished for some reasons?? Lakers get shined?
You think influential owners like Dolan are cool with Nola getting Zion over them?
That there is some round table that "Since your getting Durant, you should be satisfied?"
Not Jerry Buss for years gets to feast on leagues stupidity and build dynasty after dynsasty? That Red Auerbach made the league look stupid for generations? He had Len Bias too!! Some teams are just better than others.
What is it with you and conspiracy? For some reason you just don’t believe in them. Hate to disappoint you but there are conspirators out there.
A consipracy theorist never met Occams Razor
I can not agree with the poster of this thread .. especially after the Brooklyn Nets made the playoff.
The Knicks getting the first pick to draft Zion would be great for Knick fans, but having Zion would not change owner Dolan's cluelessness to NBA basketball or change Dolan/Mill's silly decision-making to the team.
Dolan hired HOF coach Phil Jackson as president, whom I thought first duty n priority would be to hire a Dream-Team coaching-staff for the Knicks organization. That did not happen because Dolan made Phil chase after Melo throughout the offseason to resign with the Knicks when Phil should've been chasing after two unemployed NBA head-coaches to sign, plus sign Derek Fisher as an assistant coach.
The Knicks coaching-staff has been clueless of implementing a offense/defense system for over 18 seasons since coach JVG left the organization. And last season Knicks 17 win season coaching-staff has been the PITS! There were no type of chemistry illustrated among the young-core players to perform on the same-page, nor was their any type of team-ball creative-system for the players to make scoring plays or defensive stops.
Drafting Zion could not make the Knicks bum coaching-staff any better.
The two top complimenting 2-Way star players in the 2019 NBA draft class are Zion and RJ Barrett !!!
The Knicks receive the 3rd pick in this year draft for a helluva good reason, call it Karma .. the two players mention above has very high potential of becoming NBA star players. The Knicks MISMANAGEMENT and foolish organization stunts does not deserve to destroy the growth of any young college star player who performance put them in the Top-3 picks.
I recall the Knicks almost had the chance to draft Kawhi Lenard, in the same draft the Knicks selected Shumpert. Do you think Kawhi performance today would be the same if the Knicks drafted him ???
Kemet wrote:I can not agree with the poster of this thread .. especially after the Brooklyn Nets made the playoff.
The Knicks getting the first pick to draft Zion would be great for Knick fans, but having Zion would not change owner Dolan's cluelessness to NBA basketball or change Dolan/Mill's silly decision-making to the team.
Dolan hired HOF coach Phil Jackson as president, whom I thought first duty n priority would be to hire a Dream-Team coaching-staff for the Knicks organization. That did not happen because Dolan made Phil chase after Melo throughout the offseason to resign with the Knicks when Phil should've been chasing after two unemployed NBA head-coaches to sign, plus sign Derek Fisher as an assistant coach. The Knicks coaching-staff has been clueless of implementing a offense/defense system for over 18 seasons since coach JVG left the organization. And last season Knicks 17 win season coaching-staff has been the PITS! There were no type of chemistry illustrated among the young-core players to perform on the same-page, nor was their any type of team-ball creative-system for the players to make scoring plays or defensive stops.
Drafting Zion could not make the Knicks bum coaching-staff any better.
The two top complimenting 2-Way star players in the 2019 NBA draft class are Zion and RJ Barrett !!!
The Knicks receive the 3rd pick in this year draft for a helluva good reason, call it Karma .. the two players mention above has very high potential of becoming NBA star players. The Knicks MISMANAGEMENT and foolish organization stunts does not deserve to destroy the growth of any young college star player who performance put them in the Top-3 picks.
I recall the Knicks almost had the chance to draft Kawhi Lenard, in the same draft the Knicks selected Shumpert. Do you think Kawhi performance today would be the same if the Knicks drafted him ???
Kemet, there is probably 99% chance the Kawahi would be the next Wilson Chandler if he were picked by the Knicks. It’s a career destroyer of an organization. There is no continuity and eventually the talent amassed is just a cluster “F”.
The coaching and player development has been shyt for years. The Knicks have not resigned their draft pick in over 25 years. That’s 25 years. Once again this is an organization if you were drafted you honestly would cringe. The history says there is very little development with the Knicks.
2015 - we all thought he was going to be a savior paired with Carmelo. Seems the basketball gods changed the role of the big man with this pick. Thou shall not be a back to the basket player any more but a 3pt shooting stretch the defense big.
To this point, the franchise under Perry/Mills have done a good job of putting the Knicks in a position to succeed as far as cap room, good draft picks, and not bidding against themselves. Unfortunately previous regimes (which Mills was a part of) couldnt get past the first part.
The next part is making good use of the resources acquired. Player development, cap mgmt, smart signings. If Zion had been drafted, and Perry/Mills hadn't cleared cap space for stars, hadn't found good draft picks to play along side him. It wouldn't of mattered if Zion was picked or not. Would have been the same old Knicks to screw up it up.
We didnt get Zion, but looking how Barrett played without him, might draft a future all-star anyway. All you can ask of Knicks mgmt. Make the best of the pick you have.
GustavBahler wrote:To this point, the franchise under Perry/Mills have done a good job of putting the Knicks in a position to succeed as far as cap room, good draft picks, and not bidding against themselves. Unfortunately previous regimes (which Mills was a part of) couldnt get past the first part. The next part is making good use of the resources acquired. Player development, cap mgmt, smart signings. If Zion had been drafted, and Perry/Mills hadn't cleared cap space for stars, hadn't found good draft picks to play along side him. It wouldn't of mattered if Zion was picked or not. Would have been the same old Knicks to screw up it up.
We didnt get Zion, but looking how Barrett played without him, might draft a future all-star anyway. All you can ask of Knicks mgmt. Make the best of the pick you have.
Didn’t Donnie Walsh put the Knicks in similar position. Cap space and young players.
Vmart wrote:GustavBahler wrote:To this point, the franchise under Perry/Mills have done a good job of putting the Knicks in a position to succeed as far as cap room, good draft picks, and not bidding against themselves. Unfortunately previous regimes (which Mills was a part of) couldnt get past the first part. The next part is making good use of the resources acquired. Player development, cap mgmt, smart signings. If Zion had been drafted, and Perry/Mills hadn't cleared cap space for stars, hadn't found good draft picks to play along side him. It wouldn't of mattered if Zion was picked or not. Would have been the same old Knicks to screw up it up.
We didnt get Zion, but looking how Barrett played without him, might draft a future all-star anyway. All you can ask of Knicks mgmt. Make the best of the pick you have.
Didn’t Donnie Walsh put the Knicks in similar position. Cap space and young players.
Walsh blew that part when he bid against himself, and gave uninsurable Amare the max. Thats the part he couldnt get past. Didnt make the best use of the cap room. Believe these recent picks will do better than the ones we gave up for Melo. Which is why Id like them to stick around.
Jmpasq wrote:Zion to Pelicans is a huge loss to the NBA. The marketing oppurtunities with Zion in NY would of been great for the league.
AMEN!
That's what I'm talking about.
It's not like I aint excited to have a shot at RJ Barrett.
However the main thang was #1 Pick Zion.
the opportunity to prove and belong in NBA by a #1 pick we'd not ever never had since the great Patrick Ewing.
Yes my Jamaican bred-dring 2 finals 0 Rings, I get all that in Ewing whom was #1 or at least #2 Greatest Knick but without NBA Title.
Ew played simple in era that we'd not be talking then about HAVING TO HAVE 2-3 SUPERSTARS ON SAME TEAM TO WIN OR CONTEND FOR TITLE.
Ew didn't have that card- blance Or chances all these teams has in the past 2-3 decades, at least 2 superstars on NBA TITLE team
Last team with NBA TITLES without Pat Riley's formula? Of course great HOF Hakeem O., did not have legit superstar.
That changed forever after that!
Zion ? we'd never know but ya know what? I Think this son-of-a-gun Zion won't be a BUST in NBA 2019 class
where picks #2 through the rest is touted as decent/good BUT not even close to Zion Williamson.
Zion will have alot to prove in NBA for this humble kid coming in & likely to Pelicans situation which won't be
great place to build winner initially. But Zion if he has huge impace on Pelicans, end of story!
Zion needed to be in NY, we didn't get it, *ODDS stink new NBA DRAFT format STINKS and sux.
You cannot convince me, DJ that if the Lakers OR Clips, or CAVs or whomever relevant in NBA past 10-yrs
if either of these teams had same odds as Knicks One' of them woulda got #1 Pick & no worse than #2 picl.
They need to go back to freaking old system, worse teams worst records vs head to head or conference.
In Football and other pro sports if you suc_ , you will pick on merited bad team finish W/L records !
GustavBahler wrote:Vmart wrote:GustavBahler wrote:To this point, the franchise under Perry/Mills have done a good job of putting the Knicks in a position to succeed as far as cap room, good draft picks, and not bidding against themselves. Unfortunately previous regimes (which Mills was a part of) couldnt get past the first part. The next part is making good use of the resources acquired. Player development, cap mgmt, smart signings. If Zion had been drafted, and Perry/Mills hadn't cleared cap space for stars, hadn't found good draft picks to play along side him. It wouldn't of mattered if Zion was picked or not. Would have been the same old Knicks to screw up it up.
We didnt get Zion, but looking how Barrett played without him, might draft a future all-star anyway. All you can ask of Knicks mgmt. Make the best of the pick you have.
Didn’t Donnie Walsh put the Knicks in similar position. Cap space and young players.
Walsh blew that part when he bid against himself, and gave uninsurable Amare the max. Thats the part he couldnt get past. Didnt make the best use of the cap room. Believe these recent picks will do better than the ones we gave up for Melo. Which is why Id like them to stick around.
For the 100th time, Look at Walsh’s career. His tenure with knicks and circumstances around his hiring and non renewal of contract. That DOlan never let him hire a successor then ascended Grunwald to the job all while Isiah was Still in his ear. That he jumped over him to get MElo.
And you still think this is a man capable of handing out a $100 million dollar contract to an uninsurable player that everyone understood the length of the contract was problematic?
And you still tie that on to Donnie and not Dolan?
DJMUSIC wrote:Jmpasq wrote:Zion to Pelicans is a huge loss to the NBA. The marketing oppurtunities with Zion in NY would of been great for the league.
AMEN!
That's what I'm talking about.
It's not like I aint excited to have a shot at RJ Barrett.
However the main thang was #1 Pick Zion.
the opportunity to prove and belong in NBA by a #1 pick we'd not ever never had since the great Patrick Ewing.
Yes my Jamaican bred-dring 2 finals 0 Rings, I get all that in Ewing whom was #1 or at least #2 Greatest Knick but without NBA Title.
Ew played simple in era that we'd not be talking then about HAVING TO HAVE 2-3 SUPERSTARS ON SAME TEAM TO WIN OR CONTEND FOR TITLE.
Ew didn't have that card- blance Or chances all these teams has in the past 2-3 decades, at least 2 superstars on NBA TITLE team
Last team with NBA TITLES without Pat Riley's formula? Of course great HOF Hakeem O., did not have legit superstar.
That changed forever after that!
Zion ? we'd never know but ya know what? I Think this son-of-a-gun Zion won't be a BUST in NBA 2019 class
where picks #2 through the rest is touted as decent/good BUT not even close to Zion Williamson.
Zion will have alot to prove in NBA for this humble kid coming in & likely to Pelicans situation which won't be
great place to build winner initially. But Zion if he has huge impace on Pelicans, end of story!
Zion needed to be in NY, we didn't get it, *ODDS stink new NBA DRAFT format STINKS and sux.
You cannot convince me, DJ that if the Lakers OR Clips, or CAVs or whomever relevant in NBA past 10-yrs
if either of these teams had same odds as Knicks One' of them woulda got #1 Pick & no worse than #2 picl.
They need to go back to freaking old system, worse teams worst records vs head to head or conference.
In Football and other pro sports if you suc_ , you will pick on merited bad team finish W/L records !
PHilly tanked so bad and you had 29 teams pissed at them given the attendance for those games were awful. TV ratings suffered. Teams visiting philly were not exactly drawing TV viewers. Tanking hurts. NFL teams can shift their fortunes very quickly because of the nature of contracts, free agents and thru the draft. They also can’t create lasting legacy teams either. Except the Patriots seemingly.
Lebron in Cleveland part One and Durant in OKC did very well establishing global branding for winning in those places. Zion will too if he performs to all NBA standards and provides highlights. They don’t need AD to build a winner.
