Knicks · KP Trade - Would you still do it now? (page 2)

Nalod wrote:I'm banging the Brazilian supermodel for as long as she lets me. Good point, it might get ugly.
So with the cap space im banging instead not one supermodel but a few good catalog models. Not supermodels but swim ware, maybe some yoga pant goddesses? Not a bad alternative. In fact, I might be happier.

Yeah...but if you are trying keep up with the Jones(Nets, LA teams, etc), they got supermodels..all flavors....and a catalog model is just not cutting it when you all go to dinner.

You are feeling that heat to keep up....yeah you have harem of catalog models....but they are not on the Victoria Secrets runway while your friends are living it up...

My point is...it is very difficult not to want to grow crawling to your EX or spending your wad on another supermodel that treats you even worse..

Intestinal fortitude you have to have...

If you are cool with the catalog model...cool...beauty is in the eye of the beholder...just do not pick up any Victoria Secrets mags

Chandler wrote:What he didn't want was the dysfunction he was (rightfully) seeing in FO and CS. If we were losing but players were defending and passing and generally the team seemed to have a philosophy things may have been different.

After the coaching and FO change, what dysfunction was he seeing? We had a solid draft and were playing competitively early in the season in spite of the record. He has every right to trust or not trust the FO/CS, but holding Fiz and Perry accountable for the mess Jackson/Hornacek left isn't fair.

Again, if he didn't want to wait around for the current to prove themselves fine. But there's currently "dysfunction?" I don't know about that one.

Vmart wrote:The best route to take is strength in numbers. Add good players and keep drafting and developing. I’m not a fan of giving out Max contracts until a player comes along that deserves it. Khawhi is the max contract to give out. KD might be worth the risk. But that is about it adding AD in trade depletes the team the Knicks still would need more talent to compete so adding AD is not guarantee to winning.

Yep keep drafting and look for some solid 3 and D players on reasonable contracts. That way if Barrett turns into a star or the right superstar wants to sign, we have a core here

I would do it now without a second thought. The Knicks did great in the trade and got rid of an injury prone guy with character issues that didn't want to be here. Remember Carlisle thanking Janis in the opening press conference. Not interested in the Porzingis dysfunction. The Knicks have the most cap space and after the draft is over will have the largest stash of future draft picks in the league.

Gudris wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:yes. KP and his brother demanded a trade and we got the best yield we could without the story blowing up. and if we had waited until then what type of offers are we looking at? He didn't want to be here, get over it, move on

Then why did he said after the trade that he was surprised? We still haven't heard KP version of what happened

I think he was surprised because they didn't trade him to a team on his list. I think he was surprised that the Knicks moved on as soon as he said he wasn't committed.

CrushAlot wrote:

Gudris wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:yes. KP and his brother demanded a trade and we got the best yield we could without the story blowing up. and if we had waited until then what type of offers are we looking at? He didn't want to be here, get over it, move on

Then why did he said after the trade that he was surprised? We still haven't heard KP version of what happened

I think he was surprised because they didn't trade him to a team on his list. I think he was surprised that the Knicks moved on as soon as he said he wasn't committed.

I think KP was surprised too that they traded him to Dallas.

Absolutely you do that deal again. KD as a FA may have been a way for our FO to sell the deal to fans, but to me it was a way to fast track our rebuild. KD going down might be a silver lining by preventing us from trying to cut corners. I'm more inclined to just accumulate draft picks with our cap space rather then spend it on FA anyway. We are not 2 super stars away from contending! We need to draft 2-3 solid players first, then we can look at FA's. Look at what GS and Toronto had to draft first before they could contend. They each had to develop multiple draft picks over multiple years (Klay/Curry, OG Anunoby/Pascal Siakam/Demar Derozan) before they could become contenders.

We can't skip any steps. We have to develop our own talent first!!!!

i’m not actually bothering to read the posts in this thread. i’ll just say that once douchebag and douchebag brother give trade demands you jettison them immediately. ny front office executed it beautifully to save what we could but douchebag did indeed f**k us because u don’t just move on from a 23 year old all-star 7’3” 2-way unicorn. that set us back terribly and put us in this very tenuous position of now needing 2 a-list fa signings to make up for it.

I couldn't wait to see Porky get his comeuppance. I think the Knicks were well aware long before he was traded that he was bad news.

I think, had they not traded him, that the rape allegations would have become the dumpster fire of the decade in NY. He probably would have implicated the Knicks FO in the alibi and of course the anti-Dolan contingent would have raged like a wild fire.

The FO did well in that trade. Quite honestly, I don't know why anyone would pine for that piece of garbage to still be here.

Who named him “A Unicorn” again?
Durant!
This all might have started with KD here because of KP. The petulant aryan wanted to be top dog and not defer to an all time great? That he himself wanted to be PorZinGM? I still want to know the truth. Even if it hurts a bit.

As for Janis and KP’s rape thing I won’t say I was happy but stuff like that blows over in time and it’s about the hoop. Injuries and fatigue were the biggies with me.

It’s all “good riddance” until the kid is all NBA and we sick to our stomachs watching him destroy the league.

Been away for a few days but had to comment on this thread:
KP has accomplished nothing in this league - check
KP and his brother acted like divas talking about family first when they couldn’t treat their own team like family- check (case in point can you ever see class act like Larry Johnson or even Ewing doing this on their ROOKIE deal???) Even Melo who gets a lot of vitriol wouldn’t do this shit.

KP wanted out bad - check

Perry got traceable assets and multiple picks in return - check
Knicks gained flexibility- check
Mavs lost flexibility- check (they’re all in on Luka KP combo)

Sure Durant was option 1s but Kawhi is a great option 1b
I would even go as far as saying Kyrie is option 1c and Klay 1d

These players have gone deep into the playoffs and won championships and know what it takes.

So this bemoaning of the KP trade for Knicks when KP didn’t leave Perry much choice is ridiculous and laughable.

What would you do if KP threatened to leave coming into your office? And look at how things have turned out. Bad juju is following KP around. I wouldn’t be surprised if Carlisle quits in the next season or two.

Those Dallas picks are expected to be good spots in the first round and Atlanta making sure Mavs can’t build through draft either. Look at their roster; they’re going to get more veterans like Courtney Lee who are great character guys but have no championship skills to speak of.

Meanwhile not only are we poised to have a big summer but in case we lose out on Kawhi Kyrie or Klay, we can continue to keep flexibility and continue rebuilding through draft. At least we own all our first round picks and then some!

Given the current draft lottery results, who knows, knicks might luck out and get #1 if they don’t sign any marquee FA this offseason.

Stranger things have happened.

So to answer the question in the thread...absolutely I’d still do that trade especially with hindsight. And no Op is not in the minority that most people wouldn’t do the trade now. I think that’s actually the majority if you read Twitter. Thank goodness fans don’t run nba teams.

Look at gangsta Perry trying to convert #3 into #8, #10 and Huerter which would be 3 first round picks. Sure Atlanta didn’t bite yet but at least Perry is showing he’s not going to be on the short end of any deal.

Yes, knowing what we know about KP now. ABsolutley Yes.

He set rookie records and got a cool nickname. Great.
He spent a large chunk of his Knicks career in a suit. Great.
Last time I checked, he wanted a max contract for not dragging us to the playoffs, something Melo had managed to do with much less help. Really great.

Enjoy playing video games in Dallas, Kristaps. Hardly anyone here misses you.

May God help this board if he manages to play a full season in Dallas.

SupremeCommander wrote:yes. KP and his brother demanded a trade and we got the best yield we could without the story blowing up. and if we had waited until then what type of offers are we looking at? He didn't want to be here, get over it, move on

What were some of the other offers, I've yet to any surface, so you definitely can't say we got the best offer?

We basically got a 2nd round pick for Melo, because kanter ends up getting waived, yet OKC got Dennis Schroder(who is better than any guard we had/got) for melo a yr later and all they had to do was throw in a late 2022 1st round pick.

This FO is yet to hit a homerun on any of their trades, more like base hits.

No regrets. Porzingis was acting like he had arrived before he actually went anywhere. You dont backseat drive a team when you havent played since last season, while your butt is warming the bench. Why? Because you are not helping the team in any tangible way.

We got two first rounders for a player who has missed a lot of games as a Knick. Still had a good deal of work to do on his game (doesnt get mentioned enough) and a player who is talented enough to be the PG of the future..somewhere. Wether or not its here, remains to be seen.

Perry used the KP trade to be able to build the roster up almost from scratch and put his own imprint on the team. It gives us the kind of flexibility the Knicks haven't had to this degree. Im guessing Perry had a choice of making a trade, player for player, all-star, for all-star. With the roster we had, no cap clearing trades, just the all star coming our way as the centerpiece. That squad probably is an early exit from the playoffs. Vets like THJ would miss his share of games. We would be back in Meloland. One star, older vets, low first round picks to rebuild with.

Instead we have more cap room than any team, two first round picks to use or trade. A PG who is talented, who has a season (maybe) to make a case for himself in NY. Last but not least, the time Jordan spent with Mitch clearly helped his game.

Of course there has to be a follow through, this deal really cant be judged until we see how Perry/Mills play this hand. Who will be signed? What will they do with the picks? Stay tuned.

knicks1248 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:yes. KP and his brother demanded a trade and we got the best yield we could without the story blowing up. and if we had waited until then what type of offers are we looking at? He didn't want to be here, get over it, move on

What were some of the other offers, I've yet to any surface, so you definitely can't say we got the best offer?

We basically got a 2nd round pick for Melo, because kanter ends up getting waived, yet OKC got Dennis Schroder(who is better than any guard we had/got) for melo a yr later and all they had to do was throw in a late 2022 1st round pick.

This FO is yet to hit a homerun on any of their trades, more like base hits.

again, if you hold a public auction his value is going to go down. You seem insistent that another team would give up future unprotected picks, take on more money than Klay Thompson for two SGs, and a former lotto pick that the trading team held in high regard. If you think we would have gotten significantly more given the circumstances you are off your rocker

SupremeCommander wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:yes. KP and his brother demanded a trade and we got the best yield we could without the story blowing up. and if we had waited until then what type of offers are we looking at? He didn't want to be here, get over it, move on

What were some of the other offers, I've yet to any surface, so you definitely can't say we got the best offer?

We basically got a 2nd round pick for Melo, because kanter ends up getting waived, yet OKC got Dennis Schroder(who is better than any guard we had/got) for melo a yr later and all they had to do was throw in a late 2022 1st round pick.

This FO is yet to hit a homerun on any of their trades, more like base hits.

again, if you hold a public auction his value is going to go down. You seem insistent that another team would give up future unprotected picks, take on more money than Klay Thompson for two SGs, and a former lotto pick that the trading team held in high regard. If you think we would have gotten significantly more given the circumstances you are off your rocker

All im saying is I don't know what other deals were on the table, and neither do you, so it's virtually foolish to state we took the best offer.

Base on this FO's track record with trades (so far) there's no way I can confidently tell someone we got the best deal for KP...

IMO there are always 2 sides to every single story, all we have heard is the KNICKS FO side, and not a peep from KP.

It's like when Nipsy got killed, most thought, just another crip in another gang related shooting. Then When the facts came out, and all the positive sht he was doing came to the surface, he went from being portrade as a gang banger to community lengend..

you have to hear all of the facts before you label someone as a negative, and i just dont think some of you are doing that...

Welpee wrote:

Chandler wrote:What he didn't want was the dysfunction he was (rightfully) seeing in FO and CS. If we were losing but players were defending and passing and generally the team seemed to have a philosophy things may have been different.

After the coaching and FO change, what dysfunction was he seeing? We had a solid draft and were playing competitively early in the season in spite of the record. He has every right to trust or not trust the FO/CS, but holding Fiz and Perry accountable for the mess Jackson/Hornacek left isn't fair.

Again, if he didn't want to wait around for the current to prove themselves fine. But there's currently "dysfunction?" I don't know about that one.

The team played horribly, and it wasn't just a matter of youth. We talked one game (passing and defense), and played another. Our defense was worse than with Hornacek despite Mitch and the injection of youth and a supposedly defensive oriented coach (something that Hornacek was never called). We had no identity or philosophy

I have no doubt KP was getting a jaundiced view dating back to Phil and the Melodrama, but I also think he was smart enough to see that the new regime had its own set of dysfunction and at some point he just flipped.

I think there is a good argument to be made we got the best trade we could given the circumstance. My point is that the circumstances didn't need to be that way. We failed at creating an environment and vision he believed in. He definitely wanted to be in NYC and a Knick in the exactly opposite way of AD and the Pels.

There is definitely join blame on this and not all on KP (nor on FO)

Chandler wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Chandler wrote:What he didn't want was the dysfunction he was (rightfully) seeing in FO and CS. If we were losing but players were defending and passing and generally the team seemed to have a philosophy things may have been different.

After the coaching and FO change, what dysfunction was he seeing? We had a solid draft and were playing competitively early in the season in spite of the record. He has every right to trust or not trust the FO/CS, but holding Fiz and Perry accountable for the mess Jackson/Hornacek left isn't fair.

Again, if he didn't want to wait around for the current to prove themselves fine. But there's currently "dysfunction?" I don't know about that one.

The team played horribly, and it wasn't just a matter of youth. We talked one game (passing and defense), and played another. Our defense was worse than with Hornacek despite Mitch and the injection of youth and a supposedly defensive oriented coach (something that Hornacek was never called). We had no identity or philosophy

I have no doubt KP was getting a jaundiced view dating back to Phil and the Melodrama, but I also think he was smart enough to see that the new regime had its own set of dysfunction and at some point he just flipped.

I think there is a good argument to be made we got the best trade we could given the circumstance. My point is that the circumstances didn't need to be that way. We failed at creating an environment and vision he believed in. He definitely wanted to be in NYC and a Knick in the exactly opposite way of AD and the Pels.

There is definitely join blame on this and not all on KP (nor on FO)

Bingo..solid post

I'd trade him for less.

Marv wrote:i’m not actually bothering to read the posts in this thread. i’ll just say that once douchebag and douchebag brother give trade demands you jettison them immediately. ny front office executed it beautifully to save what we could but douchebag did indeed f**k us because u don’t just move on from a 23 year old all-star 7’3” 2-way unicorn. that set us back terribly and put us in this very tenuous position of now needing 2 a-list fa signings to make up for it.

I agree with this. But I also think there were FO failures starting with Phil and extending into current regime to show KP we were on the path to success and to get him committed. KP also deserves blame for sure. There are many teams with genuine interest to win who don't. Winning consistently is hard. It's a top to bottom effort and requires a lot of grit and excellence at all levels of the organization

I think there are a lot of members on this board who like the current FO primarily because they're not Phil. Of course, that doesn't mean the current FO is any good, just that it's different. It's entirely plausible we could be going form bad to worse; or that we're on the path to success -- time will tell