Knicks · Anthony Davis decision highlights Knicks’ grim reality (page 1)
The Post reported last week the Pelicans didn’t view the Knicks’ young assets as especially attractive in comparison to other Davis suitors, feeling they needed a third team more than any other squad involved.
According to an NBA source, the Knicks “weren’t close” to having a major package to entice New Orleans on a deal.
The Lakers didn’t need a third team to land Davis and unite him with James, but they have, as one NBA executive put it, “mortgaged their future for a very small window with LeBron.’’
Indeed, the Lakers, eyeing a Western Conference title crown now that Golden State looks vulnerable next season without Kevin Durant and perhaps Klay Thompson, pulled off a blockbuster as Davis’ long-awaited arrival to the Lakers has happened, ESPN reported.
Six young assets head to New Orleans to join Zion Williamson, whom the Pelicans will make as the first pick in Thursday’s draft. Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart and three first-round picks, including this year’s fourth pick, will head to the Big Easy.
The Knicks' summer prayers were not answered
Though the Knicks could still trade down a few notches, it appears now the third pick in the draft will be used with Duke’s RJ Barrett likely to fall to them.
Agent Rick Paul, who is on the cover of this week’s Sports Illustrated as the NBA’s new kingmaker, had tried to bring Davis and James together since the February’s trade deadline. Paul’s on-the-record announcement Davis wanted out drew the ire of New Orleans ownership, and Gayle Benson was reportedly told confidants she’d let Davis go to the Lakers “over my dead body.’’
But the Lakers’ package is immense — essentially three top-five lottery picks. When word leaked of a similar package offered at the trade deadline, the Knicks were surprised at the amount of assets included and thought it may be false.
The Lakers will still have between $27 million and $32 million to go after a star free agent, pending whether Davis waives his trade bonus.
The Knicks were willing to include the No. 3 pick and at least one of Dallas’ two first-round picks in a Davis deal. New Orleans had a choice among a group of young players in Kevin Knox, Mitchell Robinson, Dennis Smith Jr. and Frank Ntilikina.
The Post reported the Pelicans didn’t view any of their young players as having a potential top-15 future. Meanwhile, SNY reported the Knicks were reluctant to give up too many assets in a Davis deal, and clearly the Knicks would not have given up a collection of six players and picks.
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Leaks that Davis considered the Knicks and Lakers as the only places he would sign long-term as a free agent in 2020 seemed disingenuous. It is possible the Knicks were used as leverage to up the Lakers’ bids.
That Durant is likely out next season after tearing his right Achilles tendon also could have lessened Davis’ desire to play for the young 17-65 Knicks.
By not landing AD, the Knicks also kept open their two max salary slots. It would have been near impossible to do a trade and still have room for two slots. After Paul’s public trade demand, the Knicks offered Kristaps Porzingis to New Orleans before trading him to Dallas for the cap-space benefits.
With cap space and now James and Davis, the Lakers perhaps could pique the interest of Kyrie Irving, who had considered the Lakers, Knicks and Nets as viable options since the Celtics got eliminated. Irving has patched up any differences with James, though reportedly the Nets are in the lead.
https://nypost.com/2019/06/15/anthony-davis-decision-highlights-knicks-grim-reality/
future picks going to the Pelicans include a 2021 pick that will go to New Orleans if it is in the top eight in that year's draft -- and will become an unprotected pick in 2022 if it isn't -- sources told ESPN's Tim Bontemps.In addition, the deal includes a pick swap in 2023, which is unprotected, as well as an unprotected first-round pick in 2024 that the Pelicans will have the right to defer until 2025, sources told Bontemps.
smackeddog wrote:Lakers could do this because of ridiculous luck (they landed the no.2 pick against the odds in the Lonzo draft when their pick was top 2 protected, and then they kept up in this years draft to get the number 4 pick- that's just pure luck. Luck will run out in a few years when you look at the details of all the firsts they're giving to the Pels:
future picks going to the Pelicans include a 2021 pick that will go to New Orleans if it is in the top eight in that year's draft -- and will become an unprotected pick in 2022 if it isn't -- sources told ESPN's Tim Bontemps.In addition, the deal includes a pick swap in 2023, which is unprotected, as well as an unprotected first-round pick in 2024 that the Pelicans will have the right to defer until 2025, sources told Bontemps.
Yes, let’s call it « luck » 😉
smackeddog wrote:We were right to not trade for AD- can you imagine going into the season with just AD, watching him walk in the off-season then having the pelicans control all our unprotected firsts for the next 7 years?!
That sounds so Knicksy
Laker were right to do what they did. Sign Kemba and they have a nice core for a few years.
Lebron played at a high level before he got hurt. Obviously we are learning in the NBA stars are reaching the limits of capacity before breaking. Toronto taught us depth is a good thing. One star and 6 strong around him. Gasol trade and good health all added up.
Knicks “grim reality” is Media manipulating fans into thinking we could contend and then when it does not come into fruition there is a conspiracy or we are a victim of bad Kharma.
StarksEwing1 wrote:A Grim realty is trading every asset we have....and Davis getting hurt immediately. I guarantee that would of happened for sure lolor he would leave because he wanted to play with other stars.
CrushAlot wrote:True.StarksEwing1 wrote:A Grim realty is trading every asset we have....and Davis getting hurt immediately. I guarantee that would of happened for sure lolor he would leave because he wanted to play with other stars.
smackeddog wrote:We were right to not trade for AD- can you imagine going into the season with just AD, watching him walk in the off-season then having the pelicans control all our unprotected firsts for the next 7 years?!
Absolutely absurd.
Knixkik wrote:Agreed ridiculoussmackeddog wrote:We were right to not trade for AD- can you imagine going into the season with just AD, watching him walk in the off-season then having the pelicans control all our unprotected firsts for the next 7 years?!Absolutely absurd.
Sangfroid wrote:So the consensus seems to be that we dodged a bullet by letting the AD trade go by. Kudos to the FO. On with building a sustainable foundation.Look Davis is a bigtime player and we would of loved to have him. But in order to beat the laker deal we would have to give up every asset we have and god knows how many first rounders for the next decade. So in that sense we dodged a bullet
Use cap space for one-year deals on players who have some value in teaching our yoots.
smackeddog wrote:We were right to not trade for AD- can you imagine going into the season with just AD, watching him walk in the off-season then having the pelicans control all our unprotected firsts for the next 7 years?!
They wanted 3 picks, including this yrs pick plus next yrs dallas pick (which will not be a lottery one with KP and Doncic)
Take a look at our last 5 1st round picks Knox, Frank, KP, THJ, shumpert, only 2 are still on the roster, and Frank has one foot out the door. The knicks have done nothing with their draft picks for you to be so concern with losing them for a TOP 5 proven NBA player
When was the last time the knicks had a NBA top 5 player.
Who's the face of the knicks franchise right now..DSJ, Mitch? lol
knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:We were right to not trade for AD- can you imagine going into the season with just AD, watching him walk in the off-season then having the pelicans control all our unprotected firsts for the next 7 years?!They wanted 3 picks, including this yrs pick plus next yrs dallas pick (which will not be a lottery one with KP and Doncic)
Take a look at our last 5 1st round picks Knox, Frank, KP, THJ, shumpert, only 2 are still on the roster, and Frank has one foot out the door. The knicks have done nothing with their draft picks for you to be so concern with losing them for a TOP 5 proven NBA player
When was the last time the knicks had a NBA top 5 player.Who's the face of the knicks franchise right now..DSJ, Mitch? lol
It's hard for me to say 1248 has a valid point. But then again, he neglects to take the broader POV. If the Knicks traded all of our depth, plus much of our future for AD (on a potentially ONE YEAR rental) we would have basically no bench, no rotation, and not much of a starting five unless we landed two max dudes to join him.
And THAT would have been foolish. We made the right move in not trading for AD. It made sense for LA because they have LBJ with a short window to grab another chip or two.
knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:We were right to not trade for AD- can you imagine going into the season with just AD, watching him walk in the off-season then having the pelicans control all our unprotected firsts for the next 7 years?!They wanted 3 picks, including this yrs pick plus next yrs dallas pick (which will not be a lottery one with KP and Doncic)
Take a look at our last 5 1st round picks Knox, Frank, KP, THJ, shumpert, only 2 are still on the roster, and Frank has one foot out the door. The knicks have done nothing with their draft picks for you to be so concern with losing them for a TOP 5 proven NBA player
When was the last time the knicks had a NBA top 5 player.Who's the face of the knicks franchise right now..DSJ, Mitch? lol
Shump was not lottery. Nor was THJ. You forgot Mitch, Trier (FA rookie), and the over reach that was David lee (Allstar), and Landry Fields, who got hurt but still outperformed his draft position.
Even with those oversights, your forgetting we are drafting higher blue chip prospects that are very young. Channing Frye was 22 and was more of a final product player. You forgot Trevor Aliza who we prematurely traded. You also forgot the price Eddy Curry cost us. Lamarcus Aldridge is still pounding away. In prime Noah was a good pick for the Bulls!!! Imagine a from line up for 5-7 years of Reezy, Aldridge and Noah as a core to draft and trade around?
Just because knicks did not succeed in developing under a different mindset does not mean you continue the very things that got you in trouble.
Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:We were right to not trade for AD- can you imagine going into the season with just AD, watching him walk in the off-season then having the pelicans control all our unprotected firsts for the next 7 years?!They wanted 3 picks, including this yrs pick plus next yrs dallas pick (which will not be a lottery one with KP and Doncic)
Take a look at our last 5 1st round picks Knox, Frank, KP, THJ, shumpert, only 2 are still on the roster, and Frank has one foot out the door. The knicks have done nothing with their draft picks for you to be so concern with losing them for a TOP 5 proven NBA player
When was the last time the knicks had a NBA top 5 player.Who's the face of the knicks franchise right now..DSJ, Mitch? lol
Shump was not lottery. Nor was THJ. You forgot Mitch, Trier (FA rookie), and the over reach that was David lee (Allstar), and Landry Fields, who got hurt but still outperformed his draft position.
Even with those oversights, your forgetting we are drafting higher blue chip prospects that are very young. Channing Frye was 22 and was more of a final product player. You forgot Trevor Aliza who we prematurely traded. You also forgot the price Eddy Curry cost us. Lamarcus Aldridge is still pounding away. In prime Noah was a good pick for the Bulls!!! Imagine a from line up for 5-7 years of Reezy, Aldridge and Noah as a core to draft and trade around?
Just because knicks did not succeed in developing under a different mindset does not mean you continue the very things that got you in trouble.
who's to say we would have drafted noah or Marcus, we took frank over DSJ and Mitchel.
The knicks suck at developing, stop making excuses, plus they wind up trading their draft picks(after lowering their value) a few short yrs after they draft them anyway, NOT ONE HAS RESIGN AFTER THEIR ROOKIE CONTRACT..That has not happen since CHARLIE WARD..
It's NOT all because of The FO and coach (why the knicks suck at it) a big part is there is just too many distractions IN NYC, TOO much Press, FOR YOUNG PLAYERS..EVERY EXPERIENCE gm/pres knows this..Walsh, Grunwald, IT, Ernie, even phil.
Mills is trying to reinvent the wheel with this young boy sht resulting in 17 wins
The knicks REGIME don't surround their young players with winners, all stars and veterans, they put other young clueless players around them, and tell them don't worry about winning..Why you think the vets(THJ, Lee, Kanter, lance) were turned off by Triers style of play (losing basketball)
knicks1248 wrote:Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:We were right to not trade for AD- can you imagine going into the season with just AD, watching him walk in the off-season then having the pelicans control all our unprotected firsts for the next 7 years?!They wanted 3 picks, including this yrs pick plus next yrs dallas pick (which will not be a lottery one with KP and Doncic)
Take a look at our last 5 1st round picks Knox, Frank, KP, THJ, shumpert, only 2 are still on the roster, and Frank has one foot out the door. The knicks have done nothing with their draft picks for you to be so concern with losing them for a TOP 5 proven NBA player
When was the last time the knicks had a NBA top 5 player.Who's the face of the knicks franchise right now..DSJ, Mitch? lol
Shump was not lottery. Nor was THJ. You forgot Mitch, Trier (FA rookie), and the over reach that was David lee (Allstar), and Landry Fields, who got hurt but still outperformed his draft position.
Even with those oversights, your forgetting we are drafting higher blue chip prospects that are very young. Channing Frye was 22 and was more of a final product player. You forgot Trevor Aliza who we prematurely traded. You also forgot the price Eddy Curry cost us. Lamarcus Aldridge is still pounding away. In prime Noah was a good pick for the Bulls!!! Imagine a from line up for 5-7 years of Reezy, Aldridge and Noah as a core to draft and trade around?
Just because knicks did not succeed in developing under a different mindset does not mean you continue the very things that got you in trouble.
who's to say we would have drafted noah or Marcus, we took frank over DSJ and Mitchel.
The knicks suck at developing, stop making excuses, plus they wind up trading their draft picks(after lowering their value) a few short yrs after they draft them anyway, NOT ONE HAS RESIGN AFTER THEIR ROOKIE CONTRACT..That has not happen since CHARLIE WARD..
It's NOT all because of The FO and coach (why the knicks suck at it) a big part is there is just too many distractions IN NYC, TOO much Press, FOR YOUNG PLAYERS..EVERY EXPERIENCE gm/pres knows this..Walsh, Grunwald, IT, Ernie, even phil.
Mills is trying to reinvent the wheel with this young boy sht resulting in 17 wins
The knicks REGIME don't surround their young players with winners, all stars and veterans, they put other young clueless players around them, and tell them don't worry about winning..Why you think the vets(THJ, Lee, Kanter, lance) were turned off by Triers style of play (losing basketball)
Too many fans like knocks1248... The biggest Knicks problem.
And many of them are very influential and vocal (in the owner ear).
Pressure to satisfy instant gratification to much the overpriced Garden tickets and over-sized New-Yonkers ego is huge.
Hopefully the new FO is up to task to shrug all this aside and finally do a right thing over extended period of time.
arkrud wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:We were right to not trade for AD- can you imagine going into the season with just AD, watching him walk in the off-season then having the pelicans control all our unprotected firsts for the next 7 years?!They wanted 3 picks, including this yrs pick plus next yrs dallas pick (which will not be a lottery one with KP and Doncic)
Take a look at our last 5 1st round picks Knox, Frank, KP, THJ, shumpert, only 2 are still on the roster, and Frank has one foot out the door. The knicks have done nothing with their draft picks for you to be so concern with losing them for a TOP 5 proven NBA player
When was the last time the knicks had a NBA top 5 player.Who's the face of the knicks franchise right now..DSJ, Mitch? lol
Shump was not lottery. Nor was THJ. You forgot Mitch, Trier (FA rookie), and the over reach that was David lee (Allstar), and Landry Fields, who got hurt but still outperformed his draft position.
Even with those oversights, your forgetting we are drafting higher blue chip prospects that are very young. Channing Frye was 22 and was more of a final product player. You forgot Trevor Aliza who we prematurely traded. You also forgot the price Eddy Curry cost us. Lamarcus Aldridge is still pounding away. In prime Noah was a good pick for the Bulls!!! Imagine a from line up for 5-7 years of Reezy, Aldridge and Noah as a core to draft and trade around?
Just because knicks did not succeed in developing under a different mindset does not mean you continue the very things that got you in trouble.
who's to say we would have drafted noah or Marcus, we took frank over DSJ and Mitchel.
The knicks suck at developing, stop making excuses, plus they wind up trading their draft picks(after lowering their value) a few short yrs after they draft them anyway, NOT ONE HAS RESIGN AFTER THEIR ROOKIE CONTRACT..That has not happen since CHARLIE WARD..
It's NOT all because of The FO and coach (why the knicks suck at it) a big part is there is just too many distractions IN NYC, TOO much Press, FOR YOUNG PLAYERS..EVERY EXPERIENCE gm/pres knows this..Walsh, Grunwald, IT, Ernie, even phil.
Mills is trying to reinvent the wheel with this young boy sht resulting in 17 wins
The knicks REGIME don't surround their young players with winners, all stars and veterans, they put other young clueless players around them, and tell them don't worry about winning..Why you think the vets(THJ, Lee, Kanter, lance) were turned off by Triers style of play (losing basketball)
Too many fans like knicks1248... The biggest Knicks problem.
And many of them are very influential and vocal (in the owner ear).
Pressure to satisfy instant gratification to much the overpriced Garden tickets and over-sized New-Yonkers ego is huge.
Hopefully the new FO is up to task to shrug all this aside and finally do a right thing over extended period of time.
5 straight lottery season(with mills as GM/prez) and your talking about we shouldn't seek instant gratification...
They has been zero progress under MILs I mean absolutely none..other a few extra draft picks.
The knicks FO started out saying the are in the talent acquisition faze, but all they have managae is a couple of tunnel vision players in Trier and Knox, a deer in headlights in frank, a defensive Center, who took all of 2 jump shots the entire season, and a couple of role players in Dotson and luke.
Barely any of their talent can fetch them an aLL STAR.
If Dolan was a smart man, he would have HIRED Griffin, who more than likely would have hired Mike Budenholzer .. Mills seem like it was more important to have a black prez/GM/Coach..instead of hiring a more proven experience coach and GM.
This dude watched in experience Fisher and JH crumble in NY as head coaches, and runs out and hires a similar candidate..smh..all 3 of these guys should be assistants on a coaching staff