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A person with knowledge of the meeting, however, said it was requested by the Porzingis brothers — after they had canceled a similar meeting earlier in January — and that it lasted less than five minutes. Later in the day, according to the person, Janis Porzingis provided the Knicks with a list of four teams he and Kristaps had deemed acceptable trade destinations.

The Nets and the Los Angeles Clippers were among those teams, but Dallas was not on the list. The Knicks, meanwhile, were told Porzingis was prepared to leave the team and continue his knee rehabilitation in Spain if he was not moved by this week’s league trade deadline.

Interesting that the 2 teams that Kyrie-KD-Kwahi-George all teammed up on were the teams that KP was looking to be traded to. Very possible he was trying to team up with these guys knowing their intentions threw back channels. Could have saw that the Knicks weren't the target of these superstars and felt a way that the Org isn't on that level and wanted out.

Also important to note

The Knicks also were fearful that letting the Dallas offer linger, or engaging other teams in the week leading up to the trade deadline, would have enabled the Porzingis camp to scare off the Mavericks or other potential suitors by threatening to sign long-term only with teams like the Nets or the Clippers.

Very interesting. THE NBA seems to be dripping in double-dealing and player manufactured rosters. Less a business and more and more a cash cartel.

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nyknickzingis wrote:Put KP 1.5 year after an ACL injury just coming back, on the Knicks roster, and he is be far the best player. By miles. However they won't make the playoffs. So it was good they moved him, they were going nowhere with him, and KP knew that as well. KP is not Lebron, Kawhi, Giannis level to carry a team by himself to the playoffs. The main thing that messed it all up in hindsight is how they dealt him. Without bidding, without any real wheeling and dealing. We got very little for a 23 year old all-star big man, who is viewed as a special talent because of his ability to play inside/out and defend.

I agree except feel free hey should have tried to fix the situation and keep him

Knicks were in a pickle w the cap and wanted him to trust he’d get paid

Then fizzdLe starts flapping his gums to suggest he was more injured than he was

If KP was on the roster, they allocate the money to other needs like PG. Knicks would be a playoff team if they were to secure DLo or Brogden to go along with Barrett in the draft. Would have a healthy amount of young upcoming 2-way players. Foundation would have been rock solid with Mitch-KP-Barrett frontcourt and Brogden or DLo at G.

Then all of a sudden the FO looks competent for KP. KP created this set back for the org. Made a calculated power play by waiting a week until the deadline to force them to trade him.

The Knicks made the decision to trade Kristaps Porzingis last week, ending a three-and-a-half year run that featured a number of highs and lows. Porzingis, the team’s 2015 lottery pick, began to express his displeasure with the team and its losing ways, culminating in a meeting involving him, his agent, and Knicks management last Thursday.

“We started to get a feel that everything wasn’t going as well as we would’ve liked with Kristaps,” Knicks president Steve Mills said in an interview on MSG. “So Scott [Perry] and I spent a lot of time saying, ‘Okay. We need to be prepared if things aren’t going well or if he doesn’t want to be here, or that we need to be ready.'”

“We felt the 7th was really important because if we let this go beyond the 7th, the leverage completely shifted. We would not have control of the situation,” Mills said, as relayed by Mike Vorkunov of The Athletic. “We weren’t sure what Kristaps was going to come in and tell us. We didn’t know if he’d come in and tell us he wanted to be traded or he may have come in and said he wanted to do a one-year contract with the player option, which would then have made him untradeable and he would have had all the leverage. We just felt we needed to have some certainty by the 7th.

“When they came in to meet with us, they made it clear to us — it was a meeting that they requested — they made it clear to us that he did not want to play for the Knicks, that he was not going to re-sign with us as a free agent. And we in one way thanked him for the clarity because it gave us the information we needed to know.”

KP being upset about the losing ways while he missed the last like 80 games. While shooting 41% from the field and grabbing 6.5 rebs the 26 games before his injury due to fatigue to assist in the losing. This is irrational to me. Leads to believe that him wanting out was due to ulterior motives. Used the "losing ways" as his cop out.

Good post. Many good points. However, and this is a real question, how do you come up with the conclusion that KP wanting out was "Irrational'? I mean us fans know what has been going on here for MANY years even more than KP ever did. And I don't think that there is ONE of us that would say that if they were an NBA talent they would see it as "Rational" decision to want to be a part of this organization? That is the reality. Don't know why so many act like its not. We suck, have sucked for many years. The FO is a joke, has been for many years. At least I KNOW THIS. Still watch every game and pay a lot of money for seats. But I KNOW THIS the reality.

Agree. What was irrational was expecting KP to have infinite patience. The team was going backwards last year. Yes tanking is one thing. Playing YMCA ball is another

They also wanted him to trust them that he would be taken care of financially. That would have worked if he trusted them intrinsically, but (a) they started to say one thing and do another (e.g., where about two way players who pass the ball) and (b) Fizz started saying stupid things about his health.

Add in the lack of suck-up and he wanted out. We were willing to give JR's brother a roster spot, but our european unicorn can't get an audience with the owner?!?

The team got what it deserved. wHat I don't understand is why the Knicks fanbase has be tormented worse than Job (from the bible)

You ignore KPs contributions to losing. If KP stay healthy and plays like that allstar that we claim he is for more than 3 months of the season. Then Knicks are making moves to be a contender instead of tanking.

I don't think I'm ignoring it. He was too skinny and weak and faded. Settler for too many outside shots.

All fixable with a good training and coaching staff. He was far from perfect; so is Luca, Donovan Mitchell, KAT, Ben

On balance he had a reasonable chance of being an elite player, top 5 maybe. Certainly an impact player. You need to nurture those guys (not piss them off) and kiss ass a little too

It's a fact of life that many of the most successful people on the planet have huge insecurities. It's those insecurities that drive them to get an A in class instead of an A; it's those insecurities that drive them to wake up earlier to practice more or get a gym session in. Some of them can even be a bit thin skinned to criticism, e.g., over-react seemingly obvious to their own success.

Any decent team (i.e., need not be genius) would have appreciated that KP could be a generational talent and no less than an impact player and would have acted accordingly. And no, sending Fizzdale to go eat some Galumpki is not enough

From hearing Perry and Mills interview at the time of the trade. They stated that they tried but couldn't make KP happy which pushed them to believe that he was going to force his way out eventually. He then solidified their fears with the meeting (that they could have had in Jan and worked on a resolution. Rather than him postponing the meeting until calling for one a week before the dealine in a calculated power play).

KP is viewed as more valuable a commodity than the Knicks FO so reguardless if he is right or wrong some will side with him. Im just going by the right or wrong aspect reguardless of value or talent level. And KP did the Knicks dirty.

The other tidbit (i forget who reported) is that KP asked to speak to Dolan and they said no and traded him. This may have been with some green light from Dolan to do as they thought best

Now, assuming story is true, why would they deny that request? I'm in the camp (and I'll admit i have a bias against this FO [though they don't suck at drafting]) that they knew KP was going to give them a Lebron like ultimatum. Dump the GM/Coach or me type thing.

Why wouldn't they let him speak to Dolan who could have simply said, I'm running with/supporting whatever Mills/Perry say. He could have even said it in a nice way, or a dick way. WHy not let them meet

AT the moment, most of the news is leaked from the FO -- not saying Mills or Perry directly -- but all this negative stuff is classic politics. We have heard very little in the other direction other than Stay WOke. It could be the case that the FO is blameless -thus no leaks, or that KP has decided to move on -- my guess.

It's excruciatingly frustrating we couldn't make that work out

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MS wrote:It's only three games put...

KP is averaging 26.3pts 5.5rbs 3.3assists on 46% from the field. He may get injured, but it would be fun watching him and Mitch defend the rim, two players couldn't compliment each other more.

it always bothered me that KP could never sniff 10 rpg, let alone 8. Teh guy is a unique talent but when you expect Luka to average more rebounds, well, that would irritate me as a fan.

this comment has nothing to do with you MS, but upon reflection, it appears Janis and KP were smart for escaping this dumpster fire, because that's what the 2019-20 Knicks are

your not going to get 10 rebounds out of Mitch either, because he is looking to swat every shot, just like KP, not to mention, KP is more of a perimeter player who won't get the benefits of put backs.

But if your a smart GM/Prez, you hire or trade for a rebond a specialist to play next to him.

Almost none of our players(since mills has gotten here) compliments each others skill set.

We basically got trash for melo, trash for KP, waived Kanter (the key piece in the melo trade, and with an expiring contract)trash for Willy.

we should be looking at

rj
KD
kp

as a core

We got mitch for Melo...that alone made it a GREAT trade. We get it dude you hate this FO lol. Look im not saying they have bene terrific but given all that circumstances I like a lot of their moves. Even this year we have talent enough to at least be fun. We should be 2-1. Like I said I like Fizdale and I think he has good qualities but he needs to implement a system and he needs to be sto allowing players to have free reign

Never agreed that Melo was as bad as most think. Always gave him credit for One, wanting to come here, Two, giving us a great season in which we were reminded what it felt like to win. However, agree that it was a good trade to get anything in return. Specially because it resulted in Mitch and other pieces. If those turn out to be anything of value, we will see. But it was time to move on.

In terms of system from Fiz. Think this comes up a lot. People I talk to about college basketball and systems being implemented always bring up how bad Pro Basketball systems are. How its all one on one basketball. Which are fair points. Problem is that MOST NBA teams are running the same thing. I have told many fans that complain about the NBA to just go start watching college basketball. Not trying to be rude to them but being realistic as to expectations for what modern basketball is. That is isolation plays, PnR with two players and one cutter and drive and pass out for multiple 3pt shots. There is just not much Harvard back cut systems in place. Nor read and react movement seen in college. I don't know if its because you just have such a disparity in talent with most teams. Or because the NBA pushes the narrative of the benefits of establishing a superstar to help in slaes and merchandising.

Think its no secret that the Knicks were always a blue collar team. Watched by blue collar people. Hard working guys the fight every day. Many loyal to working together as groups. Those are the players that we all seem to like. We love hard working defensive guys. We like when the ball moves and we all work together. We like team work and no ONE star. Pretty sure every fan would agree that this is the team most like to watch. As I do. Problem is that is just not what the NBA is. SO don't see the value of expecting it to change.

Side note, you look at the GS Warriors. They had several stars that made it easy to share the ball and trust team mates. Although they did not really have a complex offensive scheme. Basic drive a kick offense with occasional ISO with Durant. But fans always mention them as the epitome of team oriented offense. If you notice it is no longer working with lower level talent. I will bet that even they go to a more ISO type offense with Curry now that they are struggling and no longer have all those stars on the team.

I think some of it is more historical. In pros no zone defense for so long. If you had a talent mismatch with a guy who could dribble you maximize that advantage

It's a dumb strategy though if you don't have that guy

That's why i have not been critical of Fizz running this offense through RJ. Some of the best offenses now are not run through a classical point guard: Harden, Luca, Giannis, Kawhi, Lebron, Derozan in Toronto. You end up with layups, FTs or open 3s

Having said that, the ball still needs to move. Every time it stalls you're just giving the defense a better chance to set and organize

Agreed. Like movement offenses. Movement helps weaken defensive players stances and positioning. Passing makes the defense work harder. I run a RnR offense with wheels and three man sets. All driven by movement.

My point was, that's not the NBA. However, would love if the Knicks became a drive and kick NBA team. At least you have movement and is fun to watch. It also an offense that many teams are using. Problem is you need guys that can drive and hit 3's. Don't know if we have many of those type of players.

We are supposedly 12 deep. We should be running the opponent off the floor on offense and defense. You put your hands on your hips, you come out for a breather.

It's our one advantage if any

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Marv wrote:one other thing - i can’t believe people say phil had the right idea about trading him. It would have been the worst idea ever. Immediately following phil’s FUBAR-level handling of melo he’s going to add to it jettisoning kp??? dolan was right to can him then. he was a rich assclown to feed him additional millions before doing so tho.

except that at that moment in time he would have yielded Booker and Markinen or so the thinking goes

at that time i don't think that would have gone down well at all. kp was a much more vaunted prospect than them. it's a matter of opinion but i don't think at that time that's a trade you make.

We didn't

at the time Phil's reported interest in Makinen was criticized. People thought he was chasing some tall shooting clone who was soft (little knew he could rebound and compete the way he did)

The real point is we can't have it both ways. If it was right to trade KP, Phil saw that sooner and would have gotten more

Yes KP got injured after, but we now know with 30+ year old KD that teams now how to discount that risk to an appropriate price

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nyknickzingis wrote:Put KP 1.5 year after an ACL injury just coming back, on the Knicks roster, and he is be far the best player. By miles. However they won't make the playoffs. So it was good they moved him, they were going nowhere with him, and KP knew that as well. KP is not Lebron, Kawhi, Giannis level to carry a team by himself to the playoffs. The main thing that messed it all up in hindsight is how they dealt him. Without bidding, without any real wheeling and dealing. We got very little for a 23 year old all-star big man, who is viewed as a special talent because of his ability to play inside/out and defend.

I agree except feel free hey should have tried to fix the situation and keep him

Knicks were in a pickle w the cap and wanted him to trust he’d get paid

Then fizzdLe starts flapping his gums to suggest he was more injured than he was

If KP was on the roster, they allocate the money to other needs like PG. Knicks would be a playoff team if they were to secure DLo or Brogden to go along with Barrett in the draft. Would have a healthy amount of young upcoming 2-way players. Foundation would have been rock solid with Mitch-KP-Barrett frontcourt and Brogden or DLo at G.

Then all of a sudden the FO looks competent for KP. KP created this set back for the org. Made a calculated power play by waiting a week until the deadline to force them to trade him.

The Knicks made the decision to trade Kristaps Porzingis last week, ending a three-and-a-half year run that featured a number of highs and lows. Porzingis, the team’s 2015 lottery pick, began to express his displeasure with the team and its losing ways, culminating in a meeting involving him, his agent, and Knicks management last Thursday.

“We started to get a feel that everything wasn’t going as well as we would’ve liked with Kristaps,” Knicks president Steve Mills said in an interview on MSG. “So Scott [Perry] and I spent a lot of time saying, ‘Okay. We need to be prepared if things aren’t going well or if he doesn’t want to be here, or that we need to be ready.'”

“We felt the 7th was really important because if we let this go beyond the 7th, the leverage completely shifted. We would not have control of the situation,” Mills said, as relayed by Mike Vorkunov of The Athletic. “We weren’t sure what Kristaps was going to come in and tell us. We didn’t know if he’d come in and tell us he wanted to be traded or he may have come in and said he wanted to do a one-year contract with the player option, which would then have made him untradeable and he would have had all the leverage. We just felt we needed to have some certainty by the 7th.

“When they came in to meet with us, they made it clear to us — it was a meeting that they requested — they made it clear to us that he did not want to play for the Knicks, that he was not going to re-sign with us as a free agent. And we in one way thanked him for the clarity because it gave us the information we needed to know.”

KP being upset about the losing ways while he missed the last like 80 games. While shooting 41% from the field and grabbing 6.5 rebs the 26 games before his injury due to fatigue to assist in the losing. This is irrational to me. Leads to believe that him wanting out was due to ulterior motives. Used the "losing ways" as his cop out.

Good post. Many good points. However, and this is a real question, how do you come up with the conclusion that KP wanting out was "Irrational'? I mean us fans know what has been going on here for MANY years even more than KP ever did. And I don't think that there is ONE of us that would say that if they were an NBA talent they would see it as "Rational" decision to want to be a part of this organization? That is the reality. Don't know why so many act like its not. We suck, have sucked for many years. The FO is a joke, has been for many years. At least I KNOW THIS. Still watch every game and pay a lot of money for seats. But I KNOW THIS the reality.

Agree. What was irrational was expecting KP to have infinite patience. The team was going backwards last year. Yes tanking is one thing. Playing YMCA ball is another

They also wanted him to trust them that he would be taken care of financially. That would have worked if he trusted them intrinsically, but (a) they started to say one thing and do another (e.g., where about two way players who pass the ball) and (b) Fizz started saying stupid things about his health.

Add in the lack of suck-up and he wanted out. We were willing to give JR's brother a roster spot, but our european unicorn can't get an audience with the owner?!?

The team got what it deserved. wHat I don't understand is why the Knicks fanbase has be tormented worse than Job (from the bible)

You ignore KPs contributions to losing. If KP stay healthy and plays like that allstar that we claim he is for more than 3 months of the season. Then Knicks are making moves to be a contender instead of tanking.

This is the problem with the fan base. IRRATIONAL EXPECTATIONS! Please tell me how KP, by himself, unless you can list the high level players signed on the roster, should have propelled us to the Playoffs? This is some movie hero type shit. I mean come man, do you guys see the shit players we have had? Most either on the end of some NBA roster, G league or not in the league

I don't have the expectations that KP alone would lead us to the playoffs. I am saying KP got hurt often and had months of poor play. Thats not a resume that matches KP talking about he wants out because he is tired of Knicks losing ways. WHILE HE MISSES THE SEASON IN REHAB.

If KP doesn't get injured and doesn't fade in Dec. Knicks thought process isn't toward tanking. Its probably making a deal sacrificing future draft capital to net a proven guy next to him. They might have looked to flip the Knox pick or something.

Joel missed two seasons, and spent his time off chasing instagram models and drinking gallons of shirley temples

The negatives you say about KP being weak and tired, lack of rebounding etc are true. Ben Simmons has taken one 3 pointer. Mitchell goes cold for stretches. Joel still can't play back to back reliably

You figure that crap out and fix it or work around it

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nyknickzingis wrote:Put KP 1.5 year after an ACL injury just coming back, on the Knicks roster, and he is be far the best player. By miles. However they won't make the playoffs. So it was good they moved him, they were going nowhere with him, and KP knew that as well. KP is not Lebron, Kawhi, Giannis level to carry a team by himself to the playoffs. The main thing that messed it all up in hindsight is how they dealt him. Without bidding, without any real wheeling and dealing. We got very little for a 23 year old all-star big man, who is viewed as a special talent because of his ability to play inside/out and defend.

I agree except feel free hey should have tried to fix the situation and keep him

Knicks were in a pickle w the cap and wanted him to trust he’d get paid

Then fizzdLe starts flapping his gums to suggest he was more injured than he was

If KP was on the roster, they allocate the money to other needs like PG. Knicks would be a playoff team if they were to secure DLo or Brogden to go along with Barrett in the draft. Would have a healthy amount of young upcoming 2-way players. Foundation would have been rock solid with Mitch-KP-Barrett frontcourt and Brogden or DLo at G.

Then all of a sudden the FO looks competent for KP. KP created this set back for the org. Made a calculated power play by waiting a week until the deadline to force them to trade him.

The Knicks made the decision to trade Kristaps Porzingis last week, ending a three-and-a-half year run that featured a number of highs and lows. Porzingis, the team’s 2015 lottery pick, began to express his displeasure with the team and its losing ways, culminating in a meeting involving him, his agent, and Knicks management last Thursday.

“We started to get a feel that everything wasn’t going as well as we would’ve liked with Kristaps,” Knicks president Steve Mills said in an interview on MSG. “So Scott [Perry] and I spent a lot of time saying, ‘Okay. We need to be prepared if things aren’t going well or if he doesn’t want to be here, or that we need to be ready.'”

“We felt the 7th was really important because if we let this go beyond the 7th, the leverage completely shifted. We would not have control of the situation,” Mills said, as relayed by Mike Vorkunov of The Athletic. “We weren’t sure what Kristaps was going to come in and tell us. We didn’t know if he’d come in and tell us he wanted to be traded or he may have come in and said he wanted to do a one-year contract with the player option, which would then have made him untradeable and he would have had all the leverage. We just felt we needed to have some certainty by the 7th.

“When they came in to meet with us, they made it clear to us — it was a meeting that they requested — they made it clear to us that he did not want to play for the Knicks, that he was not going to re-sign with us as a free agent. And we in one way thanked him for the clarity because it gave us the information we needed to know.”

KP being upset about the losing ways while he missed the last like 80 games. While shooting 41% from the field and grabbing 6.5 rebs the 26 games before his injury due to fatigue to assist in the losing. This is irrational to me. Leads to believe that him wanting out was due to ulterior motives. Used the "losing ways" as his cop out.

Good post. Many good points. However, and this is a real question, how do you come up with the conclusion that KP wanting out was "Irrational'? I mean us fans know what has been going on here for MANY years even more than KP ever did. And I don't think that there is ONE of us that would say that if they were an NBA talent they would see it as "Rational" decision to want to be a part of this organization? That is the reality. Don't know why so many act like its not. We suck, have sucked for many years. The FO is a joke, has been for many years. At least I KNOW THIS. Still watch every game and pay a lot of money for seats. But I KNOW THIS the reality.

Agree. What was irrational was expecting KP to have infinite patience. The team was going backwards last year. Yes tanking is one thing. Playing YMCA ball is another

They also wanted him to trust them that he would be taken care of financially. That would have worked if he trusted them intrinsically, but (a) they started to say one thing and do another (e.g., where about two way players who pass the ball) and (b) Fizz started saying stupid things about his health.

Add in the lack of suck-up and he wanted out. We were willing to give JR's brother a roster spot, but our european unicorn can't get an audience with the owner?!?

The team got what it deserved. wHat I don't understand is why the Knicks fanbase has be tormented worse than Job (from the bible)

You ignore KPs contributions to losing. If KP stay healthy and plays like that allstar that we claim he is for more than 3 months of the season. Then Knicks are making moves to be a contender instead of tanking.

This is the problem with the fan base. IRRATIONAL EXPECTATIONS! Please tell me how KP, by himself, unless you can list the high level players signed on the roster, should have propelled us to the Playoffs? This is some movie hero type shit. I mean come man, do you guys see the shit players we have had? Most either on the end of some NBA roster, G league or not in the league

I don't have the expectations that KP alone would lead us to the playoffs. I am saying KP got hurt often and had months of poor play. Thats not a resume that matches KP talking about he wants out because he is tired of Knicks losing ways. WHILE HE MISSES THE SEASON IN REHAB.

If KP doesn't get injured and doesn't fade in Dec. Knicks thought process isn't toward tanking. Its probably making a deal sacrificing future draft capital to net a proven guy next to him. They might have looked to flip the Knox pick or something.

Joel missed two seasons, and spent his time off chasing instagram models and drinking gallons of shirley temples

The negatives you say about KP being weak and tired, lack of rebounding etc are true. Ben Simmons has taken one 3 pointer. Mitchell goes cold for stretches. Joel still can't play back to back reliably

You figure that crap out and fix it or work around it

Non of those players attempted to fuck over the franchise.

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Chandler wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Put KP 1.5 year after an ACL injury just coming back, on the Knicks roster, and he is be far the best player. By miles. However they won't make the playoffs. So it was good they moved him, they were going nowhere with him, and KP knew that as well. KP is not Lebron, Kawhi, Giannis level to carry a team by himself to the playoffs. The main thing that messed it all up in hindsight is how they dealt him. Without bidding, without any real wheeling and dealing. We got very little for a 23 year old all-star big man, who is viewed as a special talent because of his ability to play inside/out and defend.

I agree except feel free hey should have tried to fix the situation and keep him

Knicks were in a pickle w the cap and wanted him to trust he’d get paid

Then fizzdLe starts flapping his gums to suggest he was more injured than he was

If KP was on the roster, they allocate the money to other needs like PG. Knicks would be a playoff team if they were to secure DLo or Brogden to go along with Barrett in the draft. Would have a healthy amount of young upcoming 2-way players. Foundation would have been rock solid with Mitch-KP-Barrett frontcourt and Brogden or DLo at G.

Then all of a sudden the FO looks competent for KP. KP created this set back for the org. Made a calculated power play by waiting a week until the deadline to force them to trade him.

The Knicks made the decision to trade Kristaps Porzingis last week, ending a three-and-a-half year run that featured a number of highs and lows. Porzingis, the team’s 2015 lottery pick, began to express his displeasure with the team and its losing ways, culminating in a meeting involving him, his agent, and Knicks management last Thursday.

“We started to get a feel that everything wasn’t going as well as we would’ve liked with Kristaps,” Knicks president Steve Mills said in an interview on MSG. “So Scott [Perry] and I spent a lot of time saying, ‘Okay. We need to be prepared if things aren’t going well or if he doesn’t want to be here, or that we need to be ready.'”

“We felt the 7th was really important because if we let this go beyond the 7th, the leverage completely shifted. We would not have control of the situation,” Mills said, as relayed by Mike Vorkunov of The Athletic. “We weren’t sure what Kristaps was going to come in and tell us. We didn’t know if he’d come in and tell us he wanted to be traded or he may have come in and said he wanted to do a one-year contract with the player option, which would then have made him untradeable and he would have had all the leverage. We just felt we needed to have some certainty by the 7th.

“When they came in to meet with us, they made it clear to us — it was a meeting that they requested — they made it clear to us that he did not want to play for the Knicks, that he was not going to re-sign with us as a free agent. And we in one way thanked him for the clarity because it gave us the information we needed to know.”

KP being upset about the losing ways while he missed the last like 80 games. While shooting 41% from the field and grabbing 6.5 rebs the 26 games before his injury due to fatigue to assist in the losing. This is irrational to me. Leads to believe that him wanting out was due to ulterior motives. Used the "losing ways" as his cop out.

Good post. Many good points. However, and this is a real question, how do you come up with the conclusion that KP wanting out was "Irrational'? I mean us fans know what has been going on here for MANY years even more than KP ever did. And I don't think that there is ONE of us that would say that if they were an NBA talent they would see it as "Rational" decision to want to be a part of this organization? That is the reality. Don't know why so many act like its not. We suck, have sucked for many years. The FO is a joke, has been for many years. At least I KNOW THIS. Still watch every game and pay a lot of money for seats. But I KNOW THIS the reality.

Agree. What was irrational was expecting KP to have infinite patience. The team was going backwards last year. Yes tanking is one thing. Playing YMCA ball is another

They also wanted him to trust them that he would be taken care of financially. That would have worked if he trusted them intrinsically, but (a) they started to say one thing and do another (e.g., where about two way players who pass the ball) and (b) Fizz started saying stupid things about his health.

Add in the lack of suck-up and he wanted out. We were willing to give JR's brother a roster spot, but our european unicorn can't get an audience with the owner?!?

The team got what it deserved. wHat I don't understand is why the Knicks fanbase has be tormented worse than Job (from the bible)

You ignore KPs contributions to losing. If KP stay healthy and plays like that allstar that we claim he is for more than 3 months of the season. Then Knicks are making moves to be a contender instead of tanking.

I don't think I'm ignoring it. He was too skinny and weak and faded. Settler for too many outside shots.

All fixable with a good training and coaching staff. He was far from perfect; so is Luca, Donovan Mitchell, KAT, Ben

On balance he had a reasonable chance of being an elite player, top 5 maybe. Certainly an impact player. You need to nurture those guys (not piss them off) and kiss ass a little too

It's a fact of life that many of the most successful people on the planet have huge insecurities. It's those insecurities that drive them to get an A in class instead of an A; it's those insecurities that drive them to wake up earlier to practice more or get a gym session in. Some of them can even be a bit thin skinned to criticism, e.g., over-react seemingly obvious to their own success.

Any decent team (i.e., need not be genius) would have appreciated that KP could be a generational talent and no less than an impact player and would have acted accordingly. And no, sending Fizzdale to go eat some Galumpki is not enough

From hearing Perry and Mills interview at the time of the trade. They stated that they tried but couldn't make KP happy which pushed them to believe that he was going to force his way out eventually. He then solidified their fears with the meeting (that they could have had in Jan and worked on a resolution. Rather than him postponing the meeting until calling for one a week before the dealine in a calculated power play).

KP is viewed as more valuable a commodity than the Knicks FO so reguardless if he is right or wrong some will side with him. Im just going by the right or wrong aspect reguardless of value or talent level. And KP did the Knicks dirty.

The other tidbit (i forget who reported) is that KP asked to speak to Dolan and they said no and traded him. This may have been with some green light from Dolan to do as they thought best

Now, assuming story is true, why would they deny that request? I'm in the camp (and I'll admit i have a bias against this FO [though they don't suck at drafting]) that they knew KP was going to give them a Lebron like ultimatum. Dump the GM/Coach or me type thing.

Why wouldn't they let him speak to Dolan who could have simply said, I'm running with/supporting whatever Mills/Perry say. He could have even said it in a nice way, or a dick way. WHy not let them meet

AT the moment, most of the news is leaked from the FO -- not saying Mills or Perry directly -- but all this negative stuff is classic politics. We have heard very little in the other direction other than Stay WOke. It could be the case that the FO is blameless -thus no leaks, or that KP has decided to move on -- my guess.

It's excruciatingly frustrating we couldn't make that work out

These are quotes directly from the Knicks FO. The comment about him looking to speak to Dolan is 3rd party "inside sources". Need to hear quotes directly from KP.

Oh sh ii t, Knicks will suck for 5 years to come

As talented as KP is and as much potential as he holds. Doesn't change the fact that he did the Knicks dirty. Can't think of one player who demanded to be traded before signing their first extension with their team. But most players have legit managers influencing them to steer them away from doing crap like this so early in their careers.

newyorknewyork wrote:As talented as KP is and as much potential as he holds. Doesn't change the fact that he did the Knicks dirty. Can't think of one player who demanded to be traded before signing their first extension with their team. But most players have legit managers influencing them to steer them away from doing crap like this so early in their careers.

How many players do you know from Latvia that has a brother as his agent and is also his best friend.

Put it this way, KP would have never made it to the NBA if it wasn't for his brother guiding him the whole way..He has stated that dozens of times.

I would like to know how many of you would tell your brother to fck off once he got you this far in your career..

You know Family comes first

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:As talented as KP is and as much potential as he holds. Doesn't change the fact that he did the Knicks dirty. Can't think of one player who demanded to be traded before signing their first extension with their team. But most players have legit managers influencing them to steer them away from doing crap like this so early in their careers.

How many players do you know from Latvia that has a brother as his agent and is also his best friend.

Put it this way, KP would have never made it to the NBA if it wasn't for his brother guiding him the whole way..He has stated that dozens of times.

I would like to know how many of you would tell your brother to fck off once he got you this far in your career..

You know Family comes first

really.

would you trust your brothers if they steered you into this haircut:

Dolan was already on board. Dolan was already hoodwinked by Melo and his contract. If KP had a power play with Phil and won, what was Mills denying him that he'd want him gone? Phil thought the kids build would not sustain but it was rumored Gaines told him he had to take the kid. Especially at the 4 spot. In the power play, Phil was made gone. Perry was still in his honeymoon period. What beef could he have with him?
for the 100th time, we did not extend him which saved knicks 10mm in cap room. That was seen as a good thing and its possible KP and KD could have been paired. Could one have dumped The pick that became barret, and Hardaway (Plus a bit more) for irving who was likely to leave boston? We could have had KD-KP and KI........Just saying.
If they wanted a meeting with Dolan then it was about Money. It was still thought KP would be back Feb 1st. Maybe it was "Play 20 games, show your alright, then you got max". KP and Janis figured a team that trades for him would sign him, why risk it? Cuban made a good play in my mind unless it all the sum of all fears comes to fruition.

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:As talented as KP is and as much potential as he holds. Doesn't change the fact that he did the Knicks dirty. Can't think of one player who demanded to be traded before signing their first extension with their team. But most players have legit managers influencing them to steer them away from doing crap like this so early in their careers.

How many players do you know from Latvia that has a brother as his agent and is also his best friend.

Put it this way, KP would have never made it to the NBA if it wasn't for his brother guiding him the whole way..He has stated that dozens of times.

I would like to know how many of you would tell your brother to fck off once he got you this far in your career..

You know Family comes first

Family is family after all regardless of advice given.

Marv wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:As talented as KP is and as much potential as he holds. Doesn't change the fact that he did the Knicks dirty. Can't think of one player who demanded to be traded before signing their first extension with their team. But most players have legit managers influencing them to steer them away from doing crap like this so early in their careers.

How many players do you know from Latvia that has a brother as his agent and is also his best friend.

Put it this way, KP would have never made it to the NBA if it wasn't for his brother guiding him the whole way..He has stated that dozens of times.

I would like to know how many of you would tell your brother to fck off once he got you this far in your career..

You know Family comes first

really.

would you trust your brothers if they steered you into this haircut:

you can thank melo for that

knicks1248 wrote:

Marv wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:As talented as KP is and as much potential as he holds. Doesn't change the fact that he did the Knicks dirty. Can't think of one player who demanded to be traded before signing their first extension with their team. But most players have legit managers influencing them to steer them away from doing crap like this so early in their careers.

How many players do you know from Latvia that has a brother as his agent and is also his best friend.

Put it this way, KP would have never made it to the NBA if it wasn't for his brother guiding him the whole way..He has stated that dozens of times.

I would like to know how many of you would tell your brother to fck off once he got you this far in your career..

You know Family comes first

really.

would you trust your brothers if they steered you into this haircut:

you can thank melo for that

jrod, any comments?

Marv wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Marv wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:As talented as KP is and as much potential as he holds. Doesn't change the fact that he did the Knicks dirty. Can't think of one player who demanded to be traded before signing their first extension with their team. But most players have legit managers influencing them to steer them away from doing crap like this so early in their careers.

How many players do you know from Latvia that has a brother as his agent and is also his best friend.

Put it this way, KP would have never made it to the NBA if it wasn't for his brother guiding him the whole way..He has stated that dozens of times.

I would like to know how many of you would tell your brother to fck off once he got you this far in your career..

You know Family comes first

really.

would you trust your brothers if they steered you into this haircut:

you can thank melo for that

jrod, any comments?

You know jrod had those cornrows too.

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Marv wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Marv wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:As talented as KP is and as much potential as he holds. Doesn't change the fact that he did the Knicks dirty. Can't think of one player who demanded to be traded before signing their first extension with their team. But most players have legit managers influencing them to steer them away from doing crap like this so early in their careers.

How many players do you know from Latvia that has a brother as his agent and is also his best friend.

Put it this way, KP would have never made it to the NBA if it wasn't for his brother guiding him the whole way..He has stated that dozens of times.

I would like to know how many of you would tell your brother to fck off once he got you this far in your career..

You know Family comes first

really.

would you trust your brothers if they steered you into this haircut:

you can thank melo for that

jrod, any comments?

You know jrod had those cornrows too.

and the headband lol

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nyknickzingis wrote:Put KP 1.5 year after an ACL injury just coming back, on the Knicks roster, and he is be far the best player. By miles. However they won't make the playoffs. So it was good they moved him, they were going nowhere with him, and KP knew that as well. KP is not Lebron, Kawhi, Giannis level to carry a team by himself to the playoffs. The main thing that messed it all up in hindsight is how they dealt him. Without bidding, without any real wheeling and dealing. We got very little for a 23 year old all-star big man, who is viewed as a special talent because of his ability to play inside/out and defend.

I agree except feel free hey should have tried to fix the situation and keep him

Knicks were in a pickle w the cap and wanted him to trust he’d get paid

Then fizzdLe starts flapping his gums to suggest he was more injured than he was

If KP was on the roster, they allocate the money to other needs like PG. Knicks would be a playoff team if they were to secure DLo or Brogden to go along with Barrett in the draft. Would have a healthy amount of young upcoming 2-way players. Foundation would have been rock solid with Mitch-KP-Barrett frontcourt and Brogden or DLo at G.

Then all of a sudden the FO looks competent for KP. KP created this set back for the org. Made a calculated power play by waiting a week until the deadline to force them to trade him.

The Knicks made the decision to trade Kristaps Porzingis last week, ending a three-and-a-half year run that featured a number of highs and lows. Porzingis, the team’s 2015 lottery pick, began to express his displeasure with the team and its losing ways, culminating in a meeting involving him, his agent, and Knicks management last Thursday.

“We started to get a feel that everything wasn’t going as well as we would’ve liked with Kristaps,” Knicks president Steve Mills said in an interview on MSG. “So Scott [Perry] and I spent a lot of time saying, ‘Okay. We need to be prepared if things aren’t going well or if he doesn’t want to be here, or that we need to be ready.'”

“We felt the 7th was really important because if we let this go beyond the 7th, the leverage completely shifted. We would not have control of the situation,” Mills said, as relayed by Mike Vorkunov of The Athletic. “We weren’t sure what Kristaps was going to come in and tell us. We didn’t know if he’d come in and tell us he wanted to be traded or he may have come in and said he wanted to do a one-year contract with the player option, which would then have made him untradeable and he would have had all the leverage. We just felt we needed to have some certainty by the 7th.

“When they came in to meet with us, they made it clear to us — it was a meeting that they requested — they made it clear to us that he did not want to play for the Knicks, that he was not going to re-sign with us as a free agent. And we in one way thanked him for the clarity because it gave us the information we needed to know.”

KP being upset about the losing ways while he missed the last like 80 games. While shooting 41% from the field and grabbing 6.5 rebs the 26 games before his injury due to fatigue to assist in the losing. This is irrational to me. Leads to believe that him wanting out was due to ulterior motives. Used the "losing ways" as his cop out.

Good post. Many good points. However, and this is a real question, how do you come up with the conclusion that KP wanting out was "Irrational'? I mean us fans know what has been going on here for MANY years even more than KP ever did. And I don't think that there is ONE of us that would say that if they were an NBA talent they would see it as "Rational" decision to want to be a part of this organization? That is the reality. Don't know why so many act like its not. We suck, have sucked for many years. The FO is a joke, has been for many years. At least I KNOW THIS. Still watch every game and pay a lot of money for seats. But I KNOW THIS the reality.

Agree. What was irrational was expecting KP to have infinite patience. The team was going backwards last year. Yes tanking is one thing. Playing YMCA ball is another

They also wanted him to trust them that he would be taken care of financially. That would have worked if he trusted them intrinsically, but (a) they started to say one thing and do another (e.g., where about two way players who pass the ball) and (b) Fizz started saying stupid things about his health.

Add in the lack of suck-up and he wanted out. We were willing to give JR's brother a roster spot, but our european unicorn can't get an audience with the owner?!?

The team got what it deserved. wHat I don't understand is why the Knicks fanbase has be tormented worse than Job (from the bible)

You ignore KPs contributions to losing. If KP stay healthy and plays like that allstar that we claim he is for more than 3 months of the season. Then Knicks are making moves to be a contender instead of tanking.

This is the problem with the fan base. IRRATIONAL EXPECTATIONS! Please tell me how KP, by himself, unless you can list the high level players signed on the roster, should have propelled us to the Playoffs? This is some movie hero type shit. I mean come man, do you guys see the shit players we have had? Most either on the end of some NBA roster, G league or not in the league

I don't have the expectations that KP alone would lead us to the playoffs. I am saying KP got hurt often and had months of poor play. Thats not a resume that matches KP talking about he wants out because he is tired of Knicks losing ways. WHILE HE MISSES THE SEASON IN REHAB.

If KP doesn't get injured and doesn't fade in Dec. Knicks thought process isn't toward tanking. Its probably making a deal sacrificing future draft capital to net a proven guy next to him. They might have looked to flip the Knox pick or something.

Joel missed two seasons, and spent his time off chasing instagram models and drinking gallons of shirley temples

The negatives you say about KP being weak and tired, lack of rebounding etc are true. Ben Simmons has taken one 3 pointer. Mitchell goes cold for stretches. Joel still can't play back to back reliably

You figure that crap out and fix it or work around it

Non of those players attempted to fuck over the franchise.

The point was about his "issues" of getting tired and fading. Point is even the stars have issues and it's how you treat the player "on balance". Even Lebron is not perfect

KP feels the team was trying to fuck him over; not signing him; implying he was more injured (Fizzdale); and a team that said one thing (team ball, defense, passing) and did another (our defense was worse than with Hornacek, iso etc.)

There are two sides to that debate and most of what we're hearing is what the FO has decided they want us to hear -- fine, but we should also consider the source.

I feel quite confident if we had drafted Larry Bird into this situation at some point his patience with the team would have become exhausted too.

Was KP a dope for pulling a Lebron move, and thinking he should have say in coaches and GMs -- unequivocal yes. I totally agree on that

Was the FO -- supposed grown ups -- at fault for letting a bad situation get much worse -- IMO yes. I think KP thought there was all talk no action; they want me to trust they'll pay me and then shit on my rehab hurting market value if that becomes necessary. I have a coach he didn't seem to connect with etc.

newyorknewyork wrote:As talented as KP is and as much potential as he holds. Doesn't change the fact that he did the Knicks dirty. Can't think of one player who demanded to be traded before signing their first extension with their team. But most players have legit managers influencing them to steer them away from doing crap like this so early in their careers.

Danny Ferry

Since I don't want to start another KP thread, I wonder how KP would have liked playing with RJ. Do you think they could have developed any chemistry running a two man game, pic-n-rolls.