Knicks · Fred VanVleet (page 1)
Knixkik wrote:Is he a good option next summer as a free agent ? I’m trying to figure out if he’s really good or just in the right system (or both.). He can shoot, defend, is young, tough, and can run an offense. I see Barrett becoming the lead playmaker as a point forward and I think a top tier shooting/defending PG like VanVleet is what fits ideally. I imagine he will cost a good amount 20+ mil per year. Good option or do we just not spend money on anyone who isn’t a superstar regardless of fit?
Feel you are off by like $10M
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Is he a good option next summer as a free agent ? I’m trying to figure out if he’s really good or just in the right system (or both.). He can shoot, defend, is young, tough, and can run an offense. I see Barrett becoming the lead playmaker as a point forward and I think a top tier shooting/defending PG like VanVleet is what fits ideally. I imagine he will cost a good amount 20+ mil per year. Good option or do we just not spend money on anyone who isn’t a superstar regardless of fit?Feel you are off by like $10M
In which direction ? Rozier is making 20 mil per year. VanVleet is better, so you’re thinking 30?
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Is he a good option next summer as a free agent ? I’m trying to figure out if he’s really good or just in the right system (or both.). He can shoot, defend, is young, tough, and can run an offense. I see Barrett becoming the lead playmaker as a point forward and I think a top tier shooting/defending PG like VanVleet is what fits ideally. I imagine he will cost a good amount 20+ mil per year. Good option or do we just not spend money on anyone who isn’t a superstar regardless of fit?Feel you are off by like $10M
$30M/yr?
I might just have to reevaluate my opinion of your basketball knowledge.
Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Is he a good option next summer as a free agent ? I’m trying to figure out if he’s really good or just in the right system (or both.). He can shoot, defend, is young, tough, and can run an offense. I see Barrett becoming the lead playmaker as a point forward and I think a top tier shooting/defending PG like VanVleet is what fits ideally. I imagine he will cost a good amount 20+ mil per year. Good option or do we just not spend money on anyone who isn’t a superstar regardless of fit?Feel you are off by like $10M
In which direction ? Rozier is making 20 mil per year. VanVleet is better, so you’re thinking 30?
Nah...I think he's looking at #10M/.
CleaverGreene wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Is he a good option next summer as a free agent ? I’m trying to figure out if he’s really good or just in the right system (or both.). He can shoot, defend, is young, tough, and can run an offense. I see Barrett becoming the lead playmaker as a point forward and I think a top tier shooting/defending PG like VanVleet is what fits ideally. I imagine he will cost a good amount 20+ mil per year. Good option or do we just not spend money on anyone who isn’t a superstar regardless of fit?Feel you are off by like $10M
In which direction ? Rozier is making 20 mil per year. VanVleet is better, so you’re thinking 30?
Nah...I think he's looking at #10M/.
yup
VanFleet had an excellent finals series. What else has he done to warrant $20M?
He has along way to go before he is Derek Fisher!
and even then he won't get paid. Rozier at 20mm makes Hardaway look good.
martin wrote:CleaverGreene wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Is he a good option next summer as a free agent ? I’m trying to figure out if he’s really good or just in the right system (or both.). He can shoot, defend, is young, tough, and can run an offense. I see Barrett becoming the lead playmaker as a point forward and I think a top tier shooting/defending PG like VanVleet is what fits ideally. I imagine he will cost a good amount 20+ mil per year. Good option or do we just not spend money on anyone who isn’t a superstar regardless of fit?Feel you are off by like $10M
In which direction ? Rozier is making 20 mil per year. VanVleet is better, so you’re thinking 30?
Nah...I think he's looking at #10M/.
yup
VanFleet had an excellent finals series. What else has he done to warrant $20M?
If he improves over last year, he will probably cost about $15M. He makes $9.3M for the upcoming year.
CleaverGreene wrote:martin wrote:CleaverGreene wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Is he a good option next summer as a free agent ? I’m trying to figure out if he’s really good or just in the right system (or both.). He can shoot, defend, is young, tough, and can run an offense. I see Barrett becoming the lead playmaker as a point forward and I think a top tier shooting/defending PG like VanVleet is what fits ideally. I imagine he will cost a good amount 20+ mil per year. Good option or do we just not spend money on anyone who isn’t a superstar regardless of fit?Feel you are off by like $10M
In which direction ? Rozier is making 20 mil per year. VanVleet is better, so you’re thinking 30?
Nah...I think he's looking at #10M/.
yup
VanFleet had an excellent finals series. What else has he done to warrant $20M?
If he improves over last year, he will probably cost about $15M. He makes $9.3M for the upcoming year.
What makes you think he will make less than Rozier. I feel like that’s his baseline and that’s being generous because he’s better than Rozier and more proven at the same age.
martin wrote:CleaverGreene wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Is he a good option next summer as a free agent ? I’m trying to figure out if he’s really good or just in the right system (or both.). He can shoot, defend, is young, tough, and can run an offense. I see Barrett becoming the lead playmaker as a point forward and I think a top tier shooting/defending PG like VanVleet is what fits ideally. I imagine he will cost a good amount 20+ mil per year. Good option or do we just not spend money on anyone who isn’t a superstar regardless of fit?Feel you are off by like $10M
In which direction ? Rozier is making 20 mil per year. VanVleet is better, so you’re thinking 30?
Nah...I think he's looking at #10M/.
yup
VanFleet had an excellent finals series. What else has he done to warrant $20M?
Ask the Hornets.
Knixkik wrote:CleaverGreene wrote:martin wrote:CleaverGreene wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Is he a good option next summer as a free agent ? I’m trying to figure out if he’s really good or just in the right system (or both.). He can shoot, defend, is young, tough, and can run an offense. I see Barrett becoming the lead playmaker as a point forward and I think a top tier shooting/defending PG like VanVleet is what fits ideally. I imagine he will cost a good amount 20+ mil per year. Good option or do we just not spend money on anyone who isn’t a superstar regardless of fit?Feel you are off by like $10M
In which direction ? Rozier is making 20 mil per year. VanVleet is better, so you’re thinking 30?
Nah...I think he's looking at #10M/.
yup
VanFleet had an excellent finals series. What else has he done to warrant $20M?
If he improves over last year, he will probably cost about $15M. He makes $9.3M for the upcoming year.
What makes you think he will make less than Rozier. I feel like that’s his baseline and that’s being generous because he’s better than Rozier and more proven at the same age.
There's a school of thought that Rozier has more "upside" because of athleticism and VanVleet will always be a backup. I can't see Fred making Brogdan money. Probably Elfrid Peyton Money. I also want to add that the Rozier signing is the most atrocious signing of the off season. Why is MJ getting a pass?
CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CleaverGreene wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Is he a good option next summer as a free agent ? I’m trying to figure out if he’s really good or just in the right system (or both.). He can shoot, defend, is young, tough, and can run an offense. I see Barrett becoming the lead playmaker as a point forward and I think a top tier shooting/defending PG like VanVleet is what fits ideally. I imagine he will cost a good amount 20+ mil per year. Good option or do we just not spend money on anyone who isn’t a superstar regardless of fit?Feel you are off by like $10M
In which direction ? Rozier is making 20 mil per year. VanVleet is better, so you’re thinking 30?
Nah...I think he's looking at #10M/.
yup
VanFleet had an excellent finals series. What else has he done to warrant $20M?
Ask the Hornets.
I never understood the logic of giving one aberration example as anywhere near a good response to anything and thinking it's a solid explanation.
Anyone think Rozier is a good contract? Maybe a vast overpay also for losing Kemba? Maybe VanFleet can get those circumstances. Mostly likely not.
martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CleaverGreene wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Is he a good option next summer as a free agent ? I’m trying to figure out if he’s really good or just in the right system (or both.). He can shoot, defend, is young, tough, and can run an offense. I see Barrett becoming the lead playmaker as a point forward and I think a top tier shooting/defending PG like VanVleet is what fits ideally. I imagine he will cost a good amount 20+ mil per year. Good option or do we just not spend money on anyone who isn’t a superstar regardless of fit?Feel you are off by like $10M
In which direction ? Rozier is making 20 mil per year. VanVleet is better, so you’re thinking 30?
Nah...I think he's looking at #10M/.
yup
VanFleet had an excellent finals series. What else has he done to warrant $20M?
Ask the Hornets.I never understood the logic of giving one aberration example as anywhere near a good response to anything and thinking it's a solid explanation.
Anyone think Rozier is a good contract? Maybe a vast overpay also for losing Kemba? Maybe VanFleet can get those circumstances. Mostly likely not.
I think the Rozier contract is bad. But I also think that VanVleet is much better than Rozier. I think VanVleet is around Brogdon level in terms of impact. So whatever that dollar amount should be is where I stand on it.
Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CleaverGreene wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Is he a good option next summer as a free agent ? I’m trying to figure out if he’s really good or just in the right system (or both.). He can shoot, defend, is young, tough, and can run an offense. I see Barrett becoming the lead playmaker as a point forward and I think a top tier shooting/defending PG like VanVleet is what fits ideally. I imagine he will cost a good amount 20+ mil per year. Good option or do we just not spend money on anyone who isn’t a superstar regardless of fit?Feel you are off by like $10M
In which direction ? Rozier is making 20 mil per year. VanVleet is better, so you’re thinking 30?
Nah...I think he's looking at #10M/.
yup
VanFleet had an excellent finals series. What else has he done to warrant $20M?
Ask the Hornets.I never understood the logic of giving one aberration example as anywhere near a good response to anything and thinking it's a solid explanation.
Anyone think Rozier is a good contract? Maybe a vast overpay also for losing Kemba? Maybe VanFleet can get those circumstances. Mostly likely not.
I think the Rozier contract is bad. But I also think that VanVleet is much better than Rozier. I think VanVleet is around Brogdon level in terms of impact. So whatever that dollar amount should be is where I stand on it.
I haven't watched either player but one was a starter and the other started a handful of games this year. One could REALLY shoot, the other shot really well over 6 games.
What exactly does everyone see in VanVleet?
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CleaverGreene wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Is he a good option next summer as a free agent ? I’m trying to figure out if he’s really good or just in the right system (or both.). He can shoot, defend, is young, tough, and can run an offense. I see Barrett becoming the lead playmaker as a point forward and I think a top tier shooting/defending PG like VanVleet is what fits ideally. I imagine he will cost a good amount 20+ mil per year. Good option or do we just not spend money on anyone who isn’t a superstar regardless of fit?Feel you are off by like $10M
In which direction ? Rozier is making 20 mil per year. VanVleet is better, so you’re thinking 30?
Nah...I think he's looking at #10M/.
yup
VanFleet had an excellent finals series. What else has he done to warrant $20M?
Ask the Hornets.I never understood the logic of giving one aberration example as anywhere near a good response to anything and thinking it's a solid explanation.
Anyone think Rozier is a good contract? Maybe a vast overpay also for losing Kemba? Maybe VanFleet can get those circumstances. Mostly likely not.
I think the Rozier contract is bad. But I also think that VanVleet is much better than Rozier. I think VanVleet is around Brogdon level in terms of impact. So whatever that dollar amount should be is where I stand on it.
I haven't watched either player but one was a starter and the other started a handful of games this year. One could REALLY shoot, the other shot really well over 6 games.
What exactly does everyone see in VanVleet?
VanVleet is a very good 3pt shooter and defender. He has no obvious weaknesses other than size. He didn’t start, but played starters minutes next to Lowry because he was that important to their success, so they had to find him more minutes. Very impactful on both ends of the floor. And I’m not condoning paying him a big contract , but if we are building around Barrett, Mitch and Randle , we need that type of player at point.
Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CleaverGreene wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Is he a good option next summer as a free agent ? I’m trying to figure out if he’s really good or just in the right system (or both.). He can shoot, defend, is young, tough, and can run an offense. I see Barrett becoming the lead playmaker as a point forward and I think a top tier shooting/defending PG like VanVleet is what fits ideally. I imagine he will cost a good amount 20+ mil per year. Good option or do we just not spend money on anyone who isn’t a superstar regardless of fit?Feel you are off by like $10M
In which direction ? Rozier is making 20 mil per year. VanVleet is better, so you’re thinking 30?
Nah...I think he's looking at #10M/.
yup
VanFleet had an excellent finals series. What else has he done to warrant $20M?
Ask the Hornets.I never understood the logic of giving one aberration example as anywhere near a good response to anything and thinking it's a solid explanation.
Anyone think Rozier is a good contract? Maybe a vast overpay also for losing Kemba? Maybe VanFleet can get those circumstances. Mostly likely not.
I think the Rozier contract is bad. But I also think that VanVleet is much better than Rozier. I think VanVleet is around Brogdon level in terms of impact. So whatever that dollar amount should be is where I stand on it.
Are you asking what Van Fleet is worth and most likely will be signed for or what he MAY get if someone overpays?
The answer to the latter does not seem relevant as anything can happen.
The way its shaping out in NBA seems to be that complimentary starting level players can range from 10M to to 15M. High impact above average contributors $15M to $25M. All Star/team leading caliber players $25M plus. For me, Van is a solid back up to complimentary starting player. Worth the low end of that $10M to 15M. Believe Rozier should be at higher range of that due to his so called ceiling.
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CleaverGreene wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Is he a good option next summer as a free agent ? I’m trying to figure out if he’s really good or just in the right system (or both.). He can shoot, defend, is young, tough, and can run an offense. I see Barrett becoming the lead playmaker as a point forward and I think a top tier shooting/defending PG like VanVleet is what fits ideally. I imagine he will cost a good amount 20+ mil per year. Good option or do we just not spend money on anyone who isn’t a superstar regardless of fit?Feel you are off by like $10M
In which direction ? Rozier is making 20 mil per year. VanVleet is better, so you’re thinking 30?
Nah...I think he's looking at #10M/.
yup
VanFleet had an excellent finals series. What else has he done to warrant $20M?
Ask the Hornets.I never understood the logic of giving one aberration example as anywhere near a good response to anything and thinking it's a solid explanation.
Anyone think Rozier is a good contract? Maybe a vast overpay also for losing Kemba? Maybe VanFleet can get those circumstances. Mostly likely not.
I think the Rozier contract is bad. But I also think that VanVleet is much better than Rozier. I think VanVleet is around Brogdon level in terms of impact. So whatever that dollar amount should be is where I stand on it.
I haven't watched either player but one was a starter and the other started a handful of games this year. One could REALLY shoot, the other shot really well over 6 games.
What exactly does everyone see in VanVleet?
he did a very respectable job against Curry
I would not pay big money for him. I think he is very valuable in their style of play
I also think Toronto has been doing a great job at finding guys like this. The next name we'll hear (not a pg but still) will be Boucher
martin wrote:CleaverGreene wrote:yupKnixkik wrote:Nah...I think he's looking at #10M/.martin wrote:In which direction ? Rozier is making 20 mil per year. VanVleet is better, so youre thinking 30?Knixkik wrote:Is he a good option next summer as a free agent ? I;m trying to figure out if he;s really good or just in the right system (or both.). He can shoot, defend, is young, tough, and can run an offense. I see Barrett becoming the lead playmaker as a point forward and I think a top tier shooting/defending PG like VanVleet is what fits ideally. I imagine he will cost a good amount 20+ mil per year. Good option or do we just not spend money on anyone who isn;t a superstar regardless of fit?Feel you are off by like $10MVanFleet had an excellent finals series. What else has he done to warrant $20M?
So you think he's worth the same as Taj Gibson?
knickstorrents wrote:VanVleet is an exceptional player, his market price is probably around 20mm/year. But no, I wouldn't sign him, you sign players like him when you are going for a chip that year.
That’s what I figured. 20 per year for an above average , non all star starting PG.
The justification that “Rozier got paid, so should he” does not always stand. Two different scenarios and even if not, “two wrongs don’t make a right”. Charlotte needed to do something in a sign and trade.