The draft in general is a crap shoot. There is no way of knowing which players positives will translate and which players weaknesses will hold them back. Malik Monk & DSjr were both rated higher than Donovan Mitchell going into the draft. People saw Monks scoring/shooting potential and hoped that he could round out the rest of his game to turn into a Bradely Beal type. Hoping his positives will translate while he rounded out his weaknesses. So far instead his negatives of lack of size, defense, creating for others have got the best of him over his positives. Mitchell on the other hand wasn't viewed as a strong finisher at the rim or skilled enough offensively with the ball to be considered a future star. Though he had the build, wingspan, atheltism all at NBA level. For him most of those skills he didn't show to enough in college translated nicely to the NBA.
Frank just like the other prospects came in with his strengths and weaknesses. He has struggled translating his game to NBA level. He lacked NBA S&C. He lacked NBA level craft. He does have NBA work ethic though. I am hoping his work ethic can develop NBA level S&C as well as NBA level craft.
I agree with the principals Frank was drafted for hit or miss.
In terms of the 8th pick. The only thing that would make sense would be in terms of value. In comparison is the 8th pick similar to a mid range jump shot. Can you net the same or similar value trading down while adding more assets on average?
I love coming on here and seeing people attack ESPN for telling the truth. #28 is too high. They're not breaking 20 wins.
toodarkmark wrote:I love coming on here and seeing people attack ESPN for telling the truth. #28 is too high. They're not breaking 20 wins.
WE are attacking them for a tired rhetoric not evaluation about the roster.
few if any are that enthusiastic about next season. Its mostly we are hopeful about some things.
Nalod wrote:toodarkmark wrote:I love coming on here and seeing people attack ESPN for telling the truth. #28 is too high. They're not breaking 20 wins.
WE are attacking them for a tired rhetoric not evaluation about the roster.
few if any are that enthusiastic about next season. Its mostly we are hopeful about some things.
Nalod Ive seen your name since 2004 or 05, so I know you have stayed hopeful. Tell me why anyone objective would see any hope for the Knicks?
toodarkmark wrote:I love coming on here and seeing people attack ESPN for telling the truth. #28 is too high. They're not breaking 20 wins.
Man with Morris, Randal, Payton, Portis a better Mitch,Knox,DSJR,frank,ZO
Rookie additions of RJ and Iggy
If we don’t break 30 wins fiz should be on the chopping block
Basketball moneyball team.
toodarkmark wrote:Nalod wrote:toodarkmark wrote:I love coming on here and seeing people attack ESPN for telling the truth. #28 is too high. They're not breaking 20 wins.
WE are attacking them for a tired rhetoric not evaluation about the roster.
few if any are that enthusiastic about next season. Its mostly we are hopeful about some things.
Nalod Ive seen your name since 2004 or 05, so I know you have stayed hopeful. Tell me why anyone objective would see any hope for the Knicks?
YOung coach, PIcks, rookies, Blue chip pedigree guys from Kentucky and Duke. Thats new. Mitch jumping out the building. No starphuchs. It feels different. Not same old shyt. Vin Bakers not stumbling around, No empty cap’t crunch boxes from Eddy, no Isiah......
This is my team. I’m rooting for good things. I’m interested in this young team. The executives now running things with a purpose. Sure not every thing will go well, but I can dream.
Last year we hoped for better. KP was bragging his super aryan healing powers and could be back in 10 months and maybe by late year rust would have shook off. Cap space to pair hm with. No shyt show 17 win predicted. It happens. I don’t watch as many games last year. Team still played hard and there is interest.
If Winning is fun and important, but if you can’t be entertained if things dont go as planned being miserable about is is kind of a waste of recreation time.
toodarkmark wrote:Nalod wrote:toodarkmark wrote:I love coming on here and seeing people attack ESPN for telling the truth. #28 is too high. They're not breaking 20 wins.
WE are attacking them for a tired rhetoric not evaluation about the roster.
few if any are that enthusiastic about next season. Its mostly we are hopeful about some things.
Nalod Ive seen your name since 2004 or 05, so I know you have stayed hopeful. Tell me why anyone objective would see any hope for the Knicks?
You clearly are on some level hopeful or you wouldn't follow the team. If you genuinely believed they're awful and completely doomed and have no hope, then don't waste your time following them- find something more constructive to do with your time. I never get this need in some Knick followers who feel the need to try and grind down any other fan who's optimistic. Guess misery loves company.
toodarkmark wrote:I love coming on here and seeing people attack ESPN for telling the truth. #28 is too high. They're not breaking 20 wins.
So you're at least optimistic that we may not be setting a new record low for wins! Slightylessdarkmark!
smackeddog wrote:toodarkmark wrote:Nalod wrote:toodarkmark wrote:I love coming on here and seeing people attack ESPN for telling the truth. #28 is too high. They're not breaking 20 wins.
WE are attacking them for a tired rhetoric not evaluation about the roster.
few if any are that enthusiastic about next season. Its mostly we are hopeful about some things.
Nalod Ive seen your name since 2004 or 05, so I know you have stayed hopeful. Tell me why anyone objective would see any hope for the Knicks?
You clearly are on some level hopeful or you wouldn't follow the team. If you genuinely believed they're awful and completely doomed and have no hope, then don't waste your time following them- find something more constructive to do with your time. I never get this need in some Knick followers who feel the need to try and grind down any other fan who's optimistic. Guess misery loves company.
Misery is not coming from outside.
If someone is miserable in his own company he hopes that relief will come from someone else positive thinking.
So it is always good for those who fell happy to share their enthusiasm with those who down, instead of bringing them down more and destroy own optimism in the process.
jrodmc wrote:toodarkmark wrote:I love coming on here and seeing people attack ESPN for telling the truth. #28 is too high. They're not breaking 20 wins.
So you're at least optimistic that we may not be setting a new record low for wins! Slightylessdarkmark!
Makes this a little better then when TKF picked the Knicks to lose every game on game picker.
CrushAlot wrote:jrodmc wrote:toodarkmark wrote:I love coming on here and seeing people attack ESPN for telling the truth. #28 is too high. They're not breaking 20 wins.
So you're at least optimistic that we may not be setting a new record low for wins! Slightylessdarkmark!
Makes this a little better then when TKF picked the Knicks to lose every game on game picker.
Wow... tkf, d7thtkf (or whatever his name was)... good times those were. Fighting the good fight against such reckless hate that was heralded as "fandom"...
fitzfarm wrote:toodarkmark wrote:I love coming on here and seeing people attack ESPN for telling the truth. #28 is too high. They're not breaking 20 wins.
Man with Morris, Randal, Payton, Portis a better Mitch,Knox,DSJR,frank,ZO
Rookie additions of RJ and Iggy
If we don’t break 30 wins fiz should be on the chopping block
Yeah it’s obvious this roster is good for 30+ wins but this is a culture thing. The culture needs to truly change for espn to think we will win to the level of talent that the roster possesses. Until then they will always be pessimistic.
We own our pick next season, right? Good reason to hope ESPN is closer to the truth than some of the more optimistic predictions here. I'd guess ESPN has been more accurate over the past 10 seasons or so than the average of UK poster predictions.
markvmc wrote:We own our pick next season, right? Good reason to hope ESPN is closer to the truth than some of the more optimistic predictions here. I'd guess ESPN has been more accurate over the past 10 seasons or so than the average of UK poster predictions.
So you rather have the 5th or 6th pick, the cavs and suns pick, who by the way was the 2nd and 3rd worse team. You dont need to tank to get those picks
We also need a culture change. As we saw, cap space is not enough. We need to show some fight, and this is where plan B comes into play. While allowing the rookies to land soft.
toodarkmark wrote:I love coming on here and seeing people attack ESPN for telling the truth. #28 is too high. They're not breaking 20 wins.
this post is garbage. they are not breaking 20 wins? in a situation where the newly hired vets have to show they can bring value otherwise no 2nd year option? GTFOH
If the team shows up as "solid", they'll be knocking on 30 to 35 wins
toodarkmark wrote:I love coming on here and seeing people attack ESPN for telling the truth. #28 is too high. They're not breaking 20 wins.
I think you are a little off.. I think this is a 27 to 32 win team, that said, I completely feel you. the NBA is a stars league, right? Anyone arguing that point? Teams
with player(s) that are better than our best player (Randle, IMO):
better top player than the Knicks:
Celtics
Nets
Sixers
Raptors
Cavs
Pistons
Pacers
Bucks
Nuggets
TWolves
Blazers
Jazz
GSW
LAC
Suns
Kings
Heat
Magic
Wiz
Mavs
Rockets
Pelicans
Spurs
Possibly better top player than the Knicks:
OKC
Hawks
Bulls
Not better top player than the Knicks:
Hornets
Grizz
Seems to me that being ranked #28 was kind. Yeah, we signed guys, but not many move the needle, and people act like these guys all instinctively know how to play together. Anyone who has actually played basketball knows that after some time guys don't need to think and just know how to play together. That's gonna happen the first two months of the season?
BTW, I back-of-napkin made that list up in two minutes without coffee. If anyone has a valid team to drop I will edit the list. But I mean my overall point stands. If you think the Knicks have a better player than 10 teams in the league you are drinking the koolaid
Just as a reminder, Pelicans had Payton and Randle (and AD and Jrue) and won 33. (We should also keep in mind that both Randle and Payton may have benefited to some degree from AD -- a luxury they won't enjoy with Knicks)
I think we land in the upper 20s or very low 30s
Biased journalism at its worst. Just more clickbait, to sell adds, to promote a certain brand of Knicks hate. We were a lock for 27!
Guess we might have to do something ridiculous like make the playoffs to stop the constant Knicks hate.
GustavBahler wrote:Biased journalism at its worst. Just more clickbait, to sell adds, to promote a certain brand of Knicks hate. We were a lock for 27! Guess we might have to do something ridiculous like make the playoffs to stop the constant Knicks hate.
And when they don't make the playoffs in 20, 21, 22, will it still be "biased journalism?"
toodarkmark wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Biased journalism at its worst. Just more clickbait, to sell adds, to promote a certain brand of Knicks hate. We were a lock for 27! Guess we might have to do something ridiculous like make the playoffs to stop the constant Knicks hate.
And when they don't make the playoffs in 20, 21, 22, will it still be "biased journalism?"
I thought we would be living like "The Jetsons" by 20, 21, 22. Seeing how things turned out, as Charlie Rich sang, I try to "Roll with the Flow". Dont come here to obsess on the worst case scenario. Dont sugarcoat the bad, and dont bury the good, to push a narrative.
Knicks arent capped out long term, lots of 1st and what look to be high second round picks. Some quality prospects to develop, evaluate. Until Perry/Mills have the chance to show what they can do with the assets they've amassed, Im good, absent flying cars.
