knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:jrodmc wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:jrodmc wrote:Another nice game by Melo. Can't get much more efficient than 28 pts on 17 shots. And best defensive rating next to Whiteside. The return of Olympic Dad Melo.
Lillard is an absolute freak. How long will it be before Stotts has him unleashing half court 3's? Multiple highlights being labeled "See Lillard's 47 foot three"
Melo really hasn't been that efficient from offense overall. He's shooting a nice percentage from three. He should take more. Haven't really watched Portland. Wonder if Stotts is just keeping him in the mid-range area to make more space for the guards.
Not talking about overall, just this one game, where he also extended his clutch shots lead over anyone playing since 2003. When you've got the backcourt that Portland has (when McCollum shows up), Melo ends up taking more mid range, even though there's lots of hate for the long 2. He's getting some games where he's wide open from 3, but from what little I've actually seen, he's still playing bully ball as well.
Biggest difference is that Portland is not sticking him in the corner and looking for him to just be a 3pt shooter. Coach is letting him post up and play mid range.
Stotts is a really good coach. D'Antoni sucks. Got to see the suck in NY. I do wonder if Melo finally healed from his knee surgery. He looks a lot better than he did in OKC.
You are showing your blind spot with the Dantoni hate
Maybe. Thought it was a big mistake for Melo to go play for a guy that waited five years for his career to take an upswing before trashing Melo. I don't think Mike ever wins a championship. I don't think he adapts to his roster and I think his short rotations destroy his team when the playoffs come around.
On the other hand Mike ushered in the modern NBA, made a god of Harden, has made the finals, won Coach of the year with 2 different teams.
You know who also shortened rotations during playoffs? Pat Riley and nearly every other deep playoff coach.
We disagree about D’Antoni but to me Melo looks better than he did his last year with the Knicks. Maybe he is just finally healthy and needed the time off.
Or maybe he's just playing with the type of PG's he never had a chance to play with.
Just think, when he was 3rd in MVP votes, he had Kidd and Felton playing at a high level
That was 7 years ago when he was 28!
knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:jrodmc wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:jrodmc wrote:Another nice game by Melo. Can't get much more efficient than 28 pts on 17 shots. And best defensive rating next to Whiteside. The return of Olympic Dad Melo.
Lillard is an absolute freak. How long will it be before Stotts has him unleashing half court 3's? Multiple highlights being labeled "See Lillard's 47 foot three"
Melo really hasn't been that efficient from offense overall. He's shooting a nice percentage from three. He should take more. Haven't really watched Portland. Wonder if Stotts is just keeping him in the mid-range area to make more space for the guards.
Not talking about overall, just this one game, where he also extended his clutch shots lead over anyone playing since 2003. When you've got the backcourt that Portland has (when McCollum shows up), Melo ends up taking more mid range, even though there's lots of hate for the long 2. He's getting some games where he's wide open from 3, but from what little I've actually seen, he's still playing bully ball as well.
Biggest difference is that Portland is not sticking him in the corner and looking for him to just be a 3pt shooter. Coach is letting him post up and play mid range.
Stotts is a really good coach. D'Antoni sucks. Got to see the suck in NY. I do wonder if Melo finally healed from his knee surgery. He looks a lot better than he did in OKC.
You are showing your blind spot with the Dantoni hate
Maybe. Thought it was a big mistake for Melo to go play for a guy that waited five years for his career to take an upswing before trashing Melo. I don't think Mike ever wins a championship. I don't think he adapts to his roster and I think his short rotations destroy his team when the playoffs come around.
On the other hand Mike ushered in the modern NBA, made a god of Harden, has made the finals, won Coach of the year with 2 different teams.
You know who also shortened rotations during playoffs? Pat Riley and nearly every other deep playoff coach.
We disagree about D’Antoni but to me Melo looks better than he did his last year with the Knicks. Maybe he is just finally healthy and needed the time off.
Or maybe he's just playing with the type of PG's he never had a chance to play with.
Just think, when he was 3rd in MVP votes, he had Kidd and Felton playing at a high level
Kidd and Felton 7 years ago are comparable to Lillard and McCollum now???
Glad you didn't say JR Smith was the reason.
Portland's bench sucks, so they're not going very far even if they make the playoffs.
Lets be fair, Melo is a bonafide HOF prolific scorer whose game was put together in a different era. There are plenty of stars over the years that were not in great situations like Adrian Dantly, Glenn Robinson.......Etc. These were great players who got paid top dollar as one of the best in the business. As Melo aged his game declined some, and he was asked to do things he was not able or willing to step up to. Why should he? He was "Melo"!
That might sound condescending to Melo defenders like Jrod but its not meant to.
Was he treated "Fair" when exiled from NY and OK and HOU? I dunno, but I give him props for putting the work in and bring his game back up to contribute as he has. Blazers took a step back but McCollum and Dame are both better than anyone he played with in NY. Knicks had some good names but they were way past their primes.
With Melo its about expectations.
His game was put together in the same era as Lebron and Wade. Not sure if the dinosaur argument still holds any water. Melo shoots, he scores. Midrange AND 3's. He rebounds. He throws the somewhat more than occasional pass. Now, he's defending more than before. He's 35 and playing over 30 minutes a game.
Does anyone KNOW what he was asked to do as he aged? Not quite sure. We read alot of heresay, and watched OKC and Houston go relatively nowhere after moving on without him.
PG and Russ and Harden and CP3 were also better than anyone he played with in NYC.
With Melo here it was about the misfit toys he had to play with. Post Knicks, it's more about the environment Melo finds himself in. Is Stotts a factor in how he's using Melo? Dunno. Looks pretty much now like the same Melo we watched here. Maybe not quite as fat. 
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:jrodmc wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:jrodmc wrote:Another nice game by Melo. Can't get much more efficient than 28 pts on 17 shots. And best defensive rating next to Whiteside. The return of Olympic Dad Melo.
Lillard is an absolute freak. How long will it be before Stotts has him unleashing half court 3's? Multiple highlights being labeled "See Lillard's 47 foot three"
Melo really hasn't been that efficient from offense overall. He's shooting a nice percentage from three. He should take more. Haven't really watched Portland. Wonder if Stotts is just keeping him in the mid-range area to make more space for the guards.
Not talking about overall, just this one game, where he also extended his clutch shots lead over anyone playing since 2003. When you've got the backcourt that Portland has (when McCollum shows up), Melo ends up taking more mid range, even though there's lots of hate for the long 2. He's getting some games where he's wide open from 3, but from what little I've actually seen, he's still playing bully ball as well.
Biggest difference is that Portland is not sticking him in the corner and looking for him to just be a 3pt shooter. Coach is letting him post up and play mid range.
Stotts is a really good coach. D'Antoni sucks. Got to see the suck in NY. I do wonder if Melo finally healed from his knee surgery. He looks a lot better than he did in OKC.
You are showing your blind spot with the Dantoni hate
Maybe. Thought it was a big mistake for Melo to go play for a guy that waited five years for his career to take an upswing before trashing Melo. I don't think Mike ever wins a championship. I don't think he adapts to his roster and I think his short rotations destroy his team when the playoffs come around.
On the other hand Mike ushered in the modern NBA, made a god of Harden, has made the finals, won Coach of the year with 2 different teams.
You know who also shortened rotations during playoffs? Pat Riley and nearly every other deep playoff coach.
That's the playoff tho. How many times does Harden have to tire out in the post-season before Stache learns to let his foot up in the regular season. And I'll always harp on his ability to make all the talent in his roster connect with his system. Forget Melo, look at CP3. He looked washed in Houston last year.
Saw someone on twitter call Mike seven player rotation or less.
CrushAlot wrote:
Wow...you wouldn't believe how sad I was when my dreams of a KO, Zion, KD and Kyrie's lineup came crashing down. Things are bad, but they could've been a lot worse.
Watching Nets/Bucks. Man that grey court sucks. Giannis playing with 3 fouls in the second quarter.
This would have been a nice way for US to pick up a couple of second rounders. As I hoped a few weeks ago, we should be on the look out out for teams looking to dump salary and picks. We have Bullock Taj, Ellington and Portis that are easily at the same level of Trevor Ariza.
HofstraBBall wrote:
This would have been a nice way for US to pick up a couple of second rounders. As I hoped a few weeks ago, we should be on the look out out for teams looking to dump salary and picks. We have Bullock Taj, Ellington and Portis that are easily at the same level of Trevor Ariza.
Yeah, but we also have Mills calling the shots
don't trust him not to go into job saving mode (it's the skill that's made him last so long)
HofstraBBall wrote:
This would have been a nice way for US to pick up a couple of second rounders. As I hoped a few weeks ago, we should be on the look out out for teams looking to dump salary and picks. We have Bullock Taj, Ellington and Portis that are easily at the same level of Trevor Ariza.
Bazemore is making 19 mil this year. Portland was looking to lower their tax hit. Not sure the Knicks could have provided the cap/tax relief that the Kings did. Ariza's salary was 12.5 mil.
CrushAlot wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:
This would have been a nice way for US to pick up a couple of second rounders. As I hoped a few weeks ago, we should be on the look out out for teams looking to dump salary and picks. We have Bullock Taj, Ellington and Portis that are easily at the same level of Trevor Ariza.
Bazemore is making 19 mil this year. Portland was looking to lower their tax hit. Not sure the Knicks could have provided the cap/tax relief that the Kings did. Ariza's salary was 12.5 mil.
Does not Portis and Dotson or Portis and Wooten or Allen get them there? Believe Portis and Dotson saves them even more than current trade. Would rather give up Allen or Wooten but dont know if that entices them nor if Allen or Wooten can be traded. Question is was a call made to all teams letting them know Knicks were looking to do these type of deals? Have to think they did? Hopefully. I also know that Bazemore has a good relationship with Walton and maybe Portland FO had his interest in mind.
HofstraBBall wrote:CrushAlot wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:
This would have been a nice way for US to pick up a couple of second rounders. As I hoped a few weeks ago, we should be on the look out out for teams looking to dump salary and picks. We have Bullock Taj, Ellington and Portis that are easily at the same level of Trevor Ariza.
Bazemore is making 19 mil this year. Portland was looking to lower their tax hit. Not sure the Knicks could have provided the cap/tax relief that the Kings did. Ariza's salary was 12.5 mil.
Does not Portis and Dotson or Portis and Wooten or Allen get them there? Believe Portis and Dotson saves them even more than current trade. Would rather give up Allen or Wooten but dont know if that entices them nor if Allen or Wooten can be traded. Question is was a call made to all teams letting them know Knicks were looking to do these type of deals? Have to think they did? Hopefully. I also know that Bazemore has a good relationship with Walton and maybe Portland FO had his interest in mind.
Wait, why don’t you just go look up the salaries to find out if Portis and whatnot would save Portland more $ instead of the trade they made. And then ask yourself about the players themselves and what positions Blazers were looking for. And then ask yourself if a 2way contract has ever been included in a trade before.
martin wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:CrushAlot wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:
This would have been a nice way for US to pick up a couple of second rounders. As I hoped a few weeks ago, we should be on the look out out for teams looking to dump salary and picks. We have Bullock Taj, Ellington and Portis that are easily at the same level of Trevor Ariza.
Bazemore is making 19 mil this year. Portland was looking to lower their tax hit. Not sure the Knicks could have provided the cap/tax relief that the Kings did. Ariza's salary was 12.5 mil.
Does not Portis and Dotson or Portis and Wooten or Allen get them there? Believe Portis and Dotson saves them even more than current trade. Would rather give up Allen or Wooten but dont know if that entices them nor if Allen or Wooten can be traded. Question is was a call made to all teams letting them know Knicks were looking to do these type of deals? Have to think they did? Hopefully. I also know that Bazemore has a good relationship with Walton and maybe Portland FO had his interest in mind.
Wait, why don’t you just go look up the salaries to find out if Portis and whatnot would save Portland more $ instead of the trade they made. And then ask yourself about the players themselves and what positions Blazers were looking for. And then ask yourself if a 2way contract has ever been included in a trade before.
Yep. I did prior to posting. Espn trade machine has a Dotson/Portis deal putting Blazers $20m under luxury. Think thats more than Sac deal although the salaries for the Knick trade would be $1m more than the Sac deal for this year. Could not fully compare as Sac trade just made was not allowed by the ESPN trade machine. Mentioned I did not know if Allen or Wooten could be traded as part of my dialogue with Crush. As for what positionsDo you? the Blazers were looking for? Everything! Have you seen their injury report? Besides, Portis and Dotson give them a PF and Wing. Blazers got Ariza to stretch and guard the wing. Something Portis and Dot can do. Regardless, my point was not to come up with a better trade. Bigger Lux savings. As stated, it was that I hope we are out there looking for these kind of deals. As we obviously have the pieces and it was said to be one of the reasons for signing so many short vet contracts. How or why Portland chose Sac town is another story. Does anyone know what other deals they contemplated? Or if they would have preffered other players and less in savings? Don't know. Do you? My point again, was tarehat I hope we had a chance to find out and that the Knicks are out there trying.
CrushAlot wrote:
Irving is having a tough year. Both with injuries and PR. However, was the plan for them to win this year? Think the signing will be judged by how they do next year. If they win or get to the finals, all this will be forgotten and the Nets will be winners in everyone's eyes. We will still be figuring things out how in seventh year of rebuild and 20 years of futility other than one good year with Melo.
