Morris is not our closer. We don’t have one.
Frank hits that three we win the game. Kid shot down Young. The kid dominated on the D.
Randle wants big money, got to hit the FT’s!!! I’ll give Dennis a pass. Young made him look silly.
Frank Offensive rebound and Pass was pretty1
Dennis, Knox, RJ....>The young guys are the natural closers. They are not ready.
Nalod wrote:Morris is not our closer. We don’t have one.
Frank hits that three we win the game. Kid shot down Young. The kid dominated on the D.
Randle wants big money, got to hit the FT’s!!! I’ll give Dennis a pass. Young made him look silly.
Frank Offensive rebound and Pass was pretty1
Dennis, Knox, RJ....>The young guys are the natural closers. They are not ready.
Agree with all of this.
Don't feel like the Knicks have a go-to guy and if they want to do better than say 25+ wins they need to have a very good system with all of the moving parts in sync, saw none of that tonight.
Knicks got smashed on the boards
Feel like Morris and Julius are trying to carry the load or go 1-on-1 a bit too much instead of letting the game come to them. Randle seems to operate with a bit of blinders on offense
newyorknewyork wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:Morris is not our closer. We don’t have one.
Frank hits that three we win the game. Kid shot down Young. The kid dominated on the D.
Randle wants big money, got to hit the FT’s!!! I’ll give Dennis a pass. Young made him look silly.
Frank Offensive rebound and Pass was pretty1
Dennis, Knox, RJ....>The young guys are the natural closers. They are not ready.
Agree with all of this.
Don't feel like the Knicks have a go-to guy and if they want to do better than say 25+ wins they need to have a very good system with all of the moving parts in sync, saw none of that tonight.
Knicks got smashed on the boards
Feel like Morris and Julius are trying to carry the load or go 1-on-1 a bit too much instead of letting the game come to them. Randle seems to operate with a bit of blinders on offense
100%
Agree with both of these.
If Randle and MOrris are going 1v1 all the time, isn't that the system? Fiz..show me a offensive system, PLEASE!!!
Randle ehas NOT looked GOOD, IMO. He looks slow and sloppy.
Morris is good but he is a 15 ppg guy...that's it.
RJ plays the game well. I hope he can improve his shot. If so, NY has a franchise leader.
Knox hardly played last night and was invisible when he did. He isn't cut out for the bench. Robinson has not shown any improvment.
SOmeone said it earluer, this team just can't shoot consistently enough. Depth is good but when Trier does not get onthe court, is it really?
Nalod wrote:Morris is not our closer. We don’t have one.
Frank hits that three we win the game. Kid shot down Young. The kid dominated on the D.
Randle wants big money, got to hit the FT’s!!! I’ll give Dennis a pass. Young made him look silly.
Frank Offensive rebound and Pass was pretty1
Dennis, Knox, RJ....>The young guys are the natural closers. They are not ready.
Biggest issue for me is that in an era where "Modern" three point shooting speed offenaes are the future, we have composed a team of mostly old school short and mid range players. With no one that is a good three point shooter. To make matters worse, we are not looking like we are defending the 3pt. stripe.
Frank looked good. The difference with him on Trae and Smith Jr. was night and day. Even on the offensive side.
Smith Jr. played like he was just told he was traded. Big concern has always been his motor. First time I saw what that looks like. Hope it was because he is takimg it easy on the back. But then why would he play?
Randle, Portis and Morris looked like the only guys that could be part of a playoff team.
Youngsters looked as to be expected. But that is guys that are 3 plus years away.
Hawks Offense had more movement and flow. Hopefully ours gets better as we establish set units.
Think we will get better but really need aome guys that can shoot the three.
I fell asleep and missed most of the 2nd half. But, here's my fan base assessment as we play GM / Coach....why? because it's fun:
If we added all these PF goons, and still getting out rebounded, that's a huge problem. Every team has a 7ft goon....and our goons are 6'9 and under. Portis is 6'11, but he's a finest jump shooting big. Mitch is inexperience and light in the bottom.
If Morris and Randle are playing too much ISO ball, that's a reflection on players not accepting Fitz offensive scheme. Which makes you wonder why Melo always went ISO ball down the stretch. When in doubt, ISO ball is the default offense, until we can find some symmetry on offense.
If Fitz can't figure out which players are going to be key rotation players by this weekend, we are in trouble. All these player lineup changes shakes up confidence and impacts chemistry. Without a go to guy, you need a system that everybody buys into. My worry is the Fitz will have a hard time getting players to buy into his system ALL SEASON.
Seems like this team grow as Mitch and whoever plays PG grows. We need to solidify those 2 key positions, if we want some consistency.
PG - Payton / DSJ
Center - Mitch / Portis
Frank is a swiss army knife and Fitz will use him all over, depending on matchups and flow. DSJ is a scoring guard, who can be a spark on offense. But Fitz needs to put his foot down and put somebody permanent at PG and Center. Let them learn and get their lumps. Then a quarter of the way, see if we need to make any lineup changes.
Forgot 1 thing....
If we can't guard the oldest player in the league, we are in huge trouble. Eventhough Vince represents the old school, and I'm only a few years older than him. If Vince is killin, that's a defensive problem we need to fix somewhere. This league is to young and long with loads of athletes that are better than Vince. But to his credit, Vince is still the man and just shows you.....IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO IMPROVE YOUR JUMPER.
Hope Frank and others on the team can improve there's sooner than later.
I fell asleep at the end... PG play was terrible. Worst of the preseason but folks are saying Frank looked good in the 4th? I DVR all this crap so I can watch... sounds like he ran a good ship late?
A few take-aways before from the rest I saw:
Trae has Iverson quickness. Similar EFF% too 
Good to see Hunter and Reddish playing vs. RJ. I really feel like RJ is a young star in the making. Wow he continues to be impressive even when his shot isnt falling.
Knox as a prospect is really growing on me. He's really active on both ends. Really athletic. Really good at getting his shot off. Really good players to have in the mix.
Morris/Taj are good vets and are going to help us a lot. I see Fiz leaning on them early and I think he should.
Randle has the making of a workhorse scorer. 20 points on 12 shots on a night when he missed some good looks.
I am pretending DSjr didnt play last night. I just looked so bad I am going to say he wasnt ready and leave it at that.
martin wrote:Nalod wrote:Morris is not our closer. We don’t have one.
Frank hits that three we win the game. Kid shot down Young. The kid dominated on the D.
Randle wants big money, got to hit the FT’s!!! I’ll give Dennis a pass. Young made him look silly.
Frank Offensive rebound and Pass was pretty1
Dennis, Knox, RJ....>The young guys are the natural closers. They are not ready.
Agree with all of this.
Don't feel like the Knicks have a go-to guy and if they want to do better than say 25+ wins they need to have a very good system with all of the moving parts in sync, saw none of that tonight.
Knicks got smashed on the boards
Feel like Morris and Julius are trying to carry the load or go 1-on-1 a bit too much instead of letting the game come to them. Randle seems to operate with a bit of blinders on offense
last night was the worst we have seen from him in that regard. I thought he looked to guys involved early but the ball movement was terrible.
Frank needs to stay at point!! If they move him off ball they are full blown idiots. There can be a fair debate whether he should start or not; but moving him off ball is stupid IMO (FWIW after his rebound and pass to Portis did anyone notice him telling Portis to get back on defense and stop celebrating? Kid is all business and smart; he gets a consistent shot and he will be an impact player)
I have a feeling we're going to rue the day we brought on DSJ. My worry is he will continue to tantalize with some spectacular plays but frustrate more with injury issues, jumping in the air only to realize he has no place to go and throw some crazy pass, and most important lack any consistency on O or D that the rest of team can rely on and build from.
I agree with some others that this may be a long season. Too much redundancy; too much mediocrity. A lot of these guys were available for a reason. It's a lot like last year in that many of these new faces are on a try out and likely not here next year (let alone long term future). Only difference is these guys are a step out from Mario, Mudiay, Noah
I am hopeful however that they will hustle and defend because that will make the games watchable if nothing else. I am also hopeful that there is at least promise with our younger core
Vince Carter is the veteran the Knicks should have signed because younger players look up to him. He signed for peanuts, unlike Payton, Ellington, Gibson. Watching this team I still don't get what the rush was to fill out all our roster spots and kill our flexibility.
The coach is really a recurring problem. Down the stretch, we ran absolutely nothing, guys were taking one bad shot after another. I like what Morris brings, but you can already tell he thinks he's better than he is and believes he can make the big shot.
Where was Trier? If we are going to play isolation, very curious why he wasn't in there. I would also rather see Dotson get Ellingtons minutes.
Seems like a 34 win team and much of the same. Disgraceful after the second preseason game we have to talk about guys not playing with instensity!
blkexec wrote:I fell asleep and missed most of the 2nd half. But, here's my fan base assessment as we play GM / Coach....why? because it's fun:If we added all these PF goons, and still getting out rebounded, that's a huge problem. Every team has a 7ft goon....and our goons are 6'9 and under. Portis is 6'11, but he's a finest jump shooting big. Mitch is inexperience and light in the bottom.
If Morris and Randle are playing too much ISO ball, that's a reflection on players not accepting Fitz offensive scheme. Which makes you wonder why Melo always went ISO ball down the stretch. When in doubt, ISO ball is the default offense, until we can find some symmetry on offense.
If Fitz can't figure out which players are going to be key rotation players by this weekend, we are in trouble. All these player lineup changes shakes up confidence and impacts chemistry. Without a go to guy, you need a system that everybody buys into. My worry is the Fitz will have a hard time getting players to buy into his system ALL SEASON.
Seems like this team grow as Mitch and whoever plays PG grows. We need to solidify those 2 key positions, if we want some consistency.
PG - Payton / DSJ
Center - Mitch / Portis
Frank is a swiss army knife and Fitz will use him all over, depending on matchups and flow. DSJ is a scoring guard, who can be a spark on offense. But Fitz needs to put his foot down and put somebody permanent at PG and Center. Let them learn and get their lumps. Then a quarter of the way, see if we need to make any lineup changes.
Agreed on the bolded....Frank is a disruptor more than anything. A key piece that most good teams have. He made a couple of heads up plays down the stretch...A key block on Young, a heads up rebound and pass to a cutting teammate for a dunk...The problem with Frank is on the offensive end. Save for a pass here and there, its almost like the Knicks are playing 4 on 5 and through 3 games, I am not seeing any improvement on that jumper.
I disagree on Peyton. He's almost redundant with Frank here and didn't like the signing from jump. Fiz, in my opinion should hand the ball to DSJ, and let them deal with all the ups and downs that all young players deal with as opposed to pulling him out of the lineup after a certain amount of games, and shuffling pg's in and out like last year with Burke, Smith and Mudiay. Give DSJ a chance to live up to his potential this season so we have a better understanding if he will be apart of our future or if we need to cut bait. Peyton does not need to take any minutes from DSJ or Frank, imo.
fishmike wrote:I fell asleep at the end... PG play was terrible. Worst of the preseason but folks are saying Frank looked good in the 4th? I DVR all this crap so I can watch... sounds like he ran a good ship late?A few take-aways before from the rest I saw:
Trae has Iverson quickness. Similar EFF% too
Good to see Hunter and Reddish playing vs. RJ. I really feel like RJ is a young star in the making. Wow he continues to be impressive even when his shot isnt falling.
Knox as a prospect is really growing on me. He's really active on both ends. Really athletic. Really good at getting his shot off. Really good players to have in the mix.
Morris/Taj are good vets and are going to help us a lot. I see Fiz leaning on them early and I think he should.
Randle has the making of a workhorse scorer. 20 points on 12 shots on a night when he missed some good looks.
I am pretending DSjr didnt play last night. I just looked so bad I am going to say he wasnt ready and leave it at that.
Some nice defensive plays down the stretch...I think Franks role should be that of a disruptor. Still not showing much on the offensive end.
Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:I fell asleep at the end... PG play was terrible. Worst of the preseason but folks are saying Frank looked good in the 4th? I DVR all this crap so I can watch... sounds like he ran a good ship late?A few take-aways before from the rest I saw:
Trae has Iverson quickness. Similar EFF% too
Good to see Hunter and Reddish playing vs. RJ. I really feel like RJ is a young star in the making. Wow he continues to be impressive even when his shot isnt falling.
Knox as a prospect is really growing on me. He's really active on both ends. Really athletic. Really good at getting his shot off. Really good players to have in the mix.
Morris/Taj are good vets and are going to help us a lot. I see Fiz leaning on them early and I think he should.
Randle has the making of a workhorse scorer. 20 points on 12 shots on a night when he missed some good looks.
I am pretending DSjr didnt play last night. I just looked so bad I am going to say he wasnt ready and leave it at that.
Some nice defensive plays down the stretch...I think Franks role should be that of a disruptor. Still not showing much on the offensive end.
I mean you want to see Frank or DSjr spread the floor and just attack Trae at the top of 3 point line but we just couldnt seem to establish that any way
Once again lack of system but if I bring up Fiz people wanna kill me for it. 1 more season of this and Fiz simply can't be here.
TPercy wrote:Once again lack of system but if I bring up Fiz people wanna kill me for it. 1 more season of this and Fiz simply can't be here.
what do you think is a realist amount of time for a coach to successfully implement a system?
Chandler wrote:Frank needs to stay at point!! If they move him off ball they are full blown idiots. There can be a fair debate whether he should start or not; but moving him off ball is stupid IMO (FWIW after his rebound and pass to Portis did anyone notice him telling Portis to get back on defense and stop celebrating? Kid is all business and smart; he gets a consistent shot and he will be an impact player)I have a feeling we're going to rue the day we brought on DSJ. My worry is he will continue to tantalize with some spectacular plays but frustrate more with injury issues, jumping in the air only to realize he has no place to go and throw some crazy pass, and most important lack any consistency on O or D that the rest of team can rely on and build from.
I agree with some others that this may be a long season. Too much redundancy; too much mediocrity. A lot of these guys were available for a reason. It's a lot like last year in that many of these new faces are on a try out and likely not here next year (let alone long term future). Only difference is these guys are a step out from Mario, Mudiay, Noah
I am hopeful however that they will hustle and defend because that will make the games watchable if nothing else. I am also hopeful that there is at least promise with our younger core
Thank you. Frank remains a unicorn who is in development. Its incomprehensible to my eye that the PG position is seriously being treated like a prize that goes to a hot hand. Frankie is the goods. Period. And, yes, I *get* the immediate gratification whining of critics about scoring but that comes with time.
I think in the Atlanta game, Frankie suffered from the confusion of ill-fitting lineups.
I also agree about DSJ. He looks like the Mavs and the rest of the league were correct - he's got bust written all over him. If Fizdale spends more than a game or two trying to fix this kid the season's done and the search for a new coach should begin - post-haste. I don't care about the fail and the Porzingis trade whining at all - cut bait.
The possibility of a long season is not a certainty yet. I don't mind the redundancy. I do mind that Frankie is on the block - that's a harbinger of more bad decision-making. I'm trying hard to remain optimistic. The Atlanta game was actually reassuring in that the Knicks did not buckle like they would have last year.
Three eternal Knicks constants through space and time:
1) Can't shoot
2) Can't run any semblance of an organized offence
3) Crap PGs
fishmike wrote:TPercy wrote:Once again lack of system but if I bring up Fiz people wanna kill me for it. 1 more season of this and Fiz simply can't be here.
what do you think is a realist amount of time for a coach to successfully implement a system?
I said I was willing to give him towards the end of the season to show me something. I'm not asking for us to be GSW but just to see a sign of improvement..or any sign at all for that matter.
fishmike wrote:Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:I fell asleep at the end... PG play was terrible. Worst of the preseason but folks are saying Frank looked good in the 4th? I DVR all this crap so I can watch... sounds like he ran a good ship late?A few take-aways before from the rest I saw:
Trae has Iverson quickness. Similar EFF% too
Good to see Hunter and Reddish playing vs. RJ. I really feel like RJ is a young star in the making. Wow he continues to be impressive even when his shot isnt falling.
Knox as a prospect is really growing on me. He's really active on both ends. Really athletic. Really good at getting his shot off. Really good players to have in the mix.
Morris/Taj are good vets and are going to help us a lot. I see Fiz leaning on them early and I think he should.
Randle has the making of a workhorse scorer. 20 points on 12 shots on a night when he missed some good looks.
I am pretending DSjr didnt play last night. I just looked so bad I am going to say he wasnt ready and leave it at that.
Some nice defensive plays down the stretch...I think Franks role should be that of a disruptor. Still not showing much on the offensive end.
I mean you want to see Frank or DSjr spread the floor and just attack Trae at the top of 3 point line but we just couldnt seem to establish that any way
Frank is not an attacker or a downhill type of guard...DSJ does have that in his game but I will give him a pass as its clear he didn't have his legs under him in his first game back.
TPercy wrote:fishmike wrote:TPercy wrote:Once again lack of system but if I bring up Fiz people wanna kill me for it. 1 more season of this and Fiz simply can't be here.
what do you think is a realist amount of time for a coach to successfully implement a system?
I said I was willing to give him towards the end of the season to show me something. I'm not asking for us to be GSW but just to see a sign of improvement..or any sign at all for that matter.
Last year, its clear Fiz did a lot of experimenting...Either way, a really good pg will make any offense look good...On the offensive end, we haven't seen any consistent pg play in years...
