Knicks · You really think Dolan is hands off (page 1)

Publicly Dolan is Hands off, Behind closed door he is anything but..I was reading the Melo Article ESPN wrote and they had an interesting part about DOLAN..

Dolan & Mills together is absolutely crazy, Mills is going to do everything DOLAN say without the least bit resistance or end up like GRUNWALD..

Phil coming in and trading all of our veterans for pennies on the dollar, that was not all on him

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2780...

They don't see the Carmelo Anthony they likely remember best, for that version could last be found a mile away and six years ago, during the 2012-13 season. Back then, Anthony was 28, a seven-time All-Star in his second full season with the Knicks. And that year, something unusual happened for the Knicks: They caught fire. But the reason they did so would speak to Anthony's impending struggle to fit into a changing league that would ultimately leave him behind.

Anthony, several members of those Knicks say now, had always envisioned himself as a small forward; he'd stubbornly preferred to play that position, even though members of the coaching staff and front office say they had long viewed him as a stretch power forward who could space the court with his shooting. But Knicks insiders say that ownership -- namely Jim Dolan -- wanted Anthony to play the small forward position while A'mare Stoudemire played power forward. This frustrated some members of the coaching staff, who viewed it as driven only by Dolan's desire to have star power on the court, according to sources on those Knicks teams. But in 2012-13, Stoudemire was sidelined for most of the season with knee trouble. To accommodate, Anthony agreed to change positions. "The injury that year forced everyone's hands -- Jim's and Carmelo's," one Knicks source says.

With Anthony in a power forward role and with the offensive scheme in place, the often-hapless Knicks thrived. In something of a preview of the 3-point revolution that would find its fullest form three years later with the Warriors, those Knicks attempted a league-high 2,371 3-pointers. They averaged 110.5 points per 100 possessions that season and had a net rating of plus-6.2 with Anthony on the court.

Anthony led the NBA in scoring that season -- 28.7 points per game. He made 37.9% of his 3-pointers, the second-best mark of his career, while attempting 6.2 per game, his most attempts per game in a full season.

The Knicks would go on to win 54 regular-season games, finish with the second-best record in the Eastern Conference, win their first Atlantic Division title in almost two decades -- and win a playoff series for the first time in 13 years.

Says one Knicks source: "The only thing he had to worry about was scoring, so it was perfect."

Anthony led the NBA in scoring during the 2012-13 season and made 37.9% of his 3s, the second-best percentage of his career. AP Photo/Mary Altaffer
But as quickly, or accidentally, as it came together, it fell apart. The reason? Staffers wanted to keep several of the veteran players, but Dolan, they say, didn't. "Every time we brought up veteran names, he's like, 'I don't want any of those guys back,'" one Knicks source says. And GM Glen Grunwald was fired just days before training camp began. "That threw everything for a loop," the Knicks source says. "That, I think, started the beginning of the end."

Stoudemire returned from injury, Anthony returned to the small forward position and the Knicks fell back to earth, posting a 37-45 record. They haven't returned to the playoffs since.

"It was a perfect fit for [Anthony]," one front-office executive said of the 2012-13 Knicks. "And they abandoned it."

knicks1248 wrote:Publicly Dolan is Hands off, Behind closed door he is anything but..I was reading the Melo Article ESPN wrote and they had an interesting part about DOLAN..

Dolan & Mills together is absolutely crazy, Mills is going to do everything DOLAN say without the least bit resistance or end up like GRUNWALD..

Phil coming in and trading all of our veterans for pennies on the dollar, that was not all on him

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2780...

They don't see the Carmelo Anthony they likely remember best, for that version could last be found a mile away and six years ago, during the 2012-13 season. Back then, Anthony was 28, a seven-time All-Star in his second full season with the Knicks. And that year, something unusual happened for the Knicks: They caught fire. But the reason they did so would speak to Anthony's impending struggle to fit into a changing league that would ultimately leave him behind.

Anthony, several members of those Knicks say now, had always envisioned himself as a small forward; he'd stubbornly preferred to play that position, even though members of the coaching staff and front office say they had long viewed him as a stretch power forward who could space the court with his shooting. But Knicks insiders say that ownership -- namely Jim Dolan -- wanted Anthony to play the small forward position while A'mare Stoudemire played power forward. This frustrated some members of the coaching staff, who viewed it as driven only by Dolan's desire to have star power on the court, according to sources on those Knicks teams. But in 2012-13, Stoudemire was sidelined for most of the season with knee trouble. To accommodate, Anthony agreed to change positions. "The injury that year forced everyone's hands -- Jim's and Carmelo's," one Knicks source says.

With Anthony in a power forward role and with the offensive scheme in place, the often-hapless Knicks thrived. In something of a preview of the 3-point revolution that would find its fullest form three years later with the Warriors, those Knicks attempted a league-high 2,371 3-pointers. They averaged 110.5 points per 100 possessions that season and had a net rating of plus-6.2 with Anthony on the court.

Anthony led the NBA in scoring that season -- 28.7 points per game. He made 37.9% of his 3-pointers, the second-best mark of his career, while attempting 6.2 per game, his most attempts per game in a full season.

The Knicks would go on to win 54 regular-season games, finish with the second-best record in the Eastern Conference, win their first Atlantic Division title in almost two decades -- and win a playoff series for the first time in 13 years.

Says one Knicks source: "The only thing he had to worry about was scoring, so it was perfect."

Anthony led the NBA in scoring during the 2012-13 season and made 37.9% of his 3s, the second-best percentage of his career. AP Photo/Mary Altaffer
But as quickly, or accidentally, as it came together, it fell apart. The reason? Staffers wanted to keep several of the veteran players, but Dolan, they say, didn't. "Every time we brought up veteran names, he's like, 'I don't want any of those guys back,'" one Knicks source says. And GM Glen Grunwald was fired just days before training camp began. "That threw everything for a loop," the Knicks source says. "That, I think, started the beginning of the end."

Stoudemire returned from injury, Anthony returned to the small forward position and the Knicks fell back to earth, posting a 37-45 record. They haven't returned to the playoffs since.

"It was a perfect fit for [Anthony]," one front-office executive said of the 2012-13 Knicks. "And they abandoned it."

Also in recent news Don Nelson tried to trade Ewing for Shaq.

Ewing found out, got everyone pissed and Nelly got fired.

So there's that also

If you were a lawyer you would suck. You used an article that is 7 years old.
Dolan said he was done with basketball decisions when hired Phil
So your timeline gets blown out of court.
Do I think Dolan is Still hands off? I don’t know. He is an asshole. doubt that changes.
I think if Dolan was not hands off he’d have given KP everything he wanted. I’m not saying what we did was good or bad. Time will tell us.
What we don’t know is what in gods name did the knicks screw up so bad that he wanted out?
What did KP do that the knicks did not want to give him every whim?
Rainman don’t have any different info that any of us unless you start making up shyt again.
Thus I can only conclude its ignorant to pass judgement on things you don’t know.
17 wins tells me a lot. It tells me we suck. I see nothing wrong with what knicks are doing moving forward. Its not a happy time. We are not oblivious. You are not clairvoyant.

in other news, the knicks just picked up earl monroe to pair with walt frazier in the backcourt. said coach red holzman, "it's so crazy it just might work."

Dolan is still around and probably has a lot of say in everything the Knicks do. But that season was an aberration at best. With JKidd gone it was down hill. The reality of the season was the very old players were the driving force of the team. It was fun aeason and Kidd made that possible. Imagine having Kidd in his prime.

Woodson and his staffers were toast when McKinsey came in and being void of any culture they ran their uber analytics like crazy. Woodson was gone when grunwald left. Phil wanted Kerr. Mills had little traction because Dolan brings in Phil. We know this in the past tense.
Rainman wants props for calling that KP would not resign here. Not gonna happen. He got hurt, he got traded. He forced his hand. Can’t tell me who screwed up cuz nobody is woke enough to what went on behind the scenes.
Don’t matter who. Matters it did.
Fire whomever, not gonna change the past.

Also happening in the world, the NY Knicks just traded John Starks for Latrell Sprewell and they also traded Charles Oakley for Marcus Camby. I’m really not sure if this can work. Starks and Oak are the heart and soul of the Knicks and Spree has a questionable past.

Vmart wrote:Dolan is still around and probably has a lot of say in everything the Knicks do. But that season was an aberration at best. With JKidd gone it was down hill. The reality of the season was the very old players were the driving force of the team. It was fun aeason and Kidd made that possible. Imagine having Kidd in his prime.

Dont need to, we have Frank remember?

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:Dolan is still around and probably has a lot of say in everything the Knicks do. But that season was an aberration at best. With JKidd gone it was down hill. The reality of the season was the very old players were the driving force of the team. It was fun aeason and Kidd made that possible. Imagine having Kidd in his prime.

Dont need to, we have Frank remember?

Finally a relevant observation by you.

Thanks for the hot take. I'm hearing Melo wants a trade to the Rockets, but the Knicks want him to broaden his list of teams

Dolan had the hands on Knicks but realized the thing stinks... so he too the hands off and currently washing them in the bathroom...

smackeddog wrote:Thanks for the hot take. I'm hearing Melo wants a trade to the Rockets, but the Knicks want him to broaden his list of teams

Really? I heard he got some jump off pregnant and it's really affected his home life with La La. Also, he's a bad influence on KP.

BigDaddyG wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Thanks for the hot take. I'm hearing Melo wants a trade to the Rockets, but the Knicks want him to broaden his list of teams

Really? I heard he got some jump off pregnant and it's really affected his home life with La La. Also, he's a bad influence on KP.

whoa whoa whoa... I thought Dolan was still deciding if Melo or Amare was gonna play PF, why you gotta jump ahead like that?

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:Dolan is still around and probably has a lot of say in everything the Knicks do. But that season was an aberration at best. With JKidd gone it was down hill. The reality of the season was the very old players were the driving force of the team. It was fun aeason and Kidd made that possible. Imagine having Kidd in his prime.

Dont need to, we have Frank remember?

Really! And Frank shoots layups even better than JKidd did in second half of the season! And plays better D than anyone in the history of the league! God, I just love those long arms
JKidd really should have been #3 in the MVP voting that year! Fuhucking Melo!