Knicks · Fiz is a star killer.. (page 1)
If we had a real nba coach we would still have KP. He & Mitch were perfect compliments to each other.
So frustrating as a Knicks season ticket holder. Organization is run by baffoons.
Gasol has a nice ring to celebrate his career with. Both Gasol brothers have bling!!!
Fiz never coached a minute of KP. If KP in half a season thought the team was going nowhere that's on him. If KP did not think he was part of the solution that's on him. We had the ability to add a top player to play with him. KP wanted an extension last summer when he was hurt and a knick. BY not giving to him then the knicks saved 10mm of cap, that's another player or more of a player he could play with.
Fiz did not kill Gasol, nor KP. Mitch got a huge amount of playing time last year and I suspect this year they are asking him to do more.
Just bc Fiz told Gasol to shoot more 3’s does not mean he’s a good coach.
Ettore Messina should have been the hire when KP was here.
Only reason Fizdale was hired, was to recruit KD which did not work. Heck he even hired KD’s mentor teammate when he was a rookie in Seattle.
Coach in NBA should be hired based on the task at hand which depends on the state of the team.
Knicks were below the ground zero and in need of motivator and young players development.
No established coach will take on this task unless he will be overpaid and will be made immune from any responsibility.
We tried this and it worked as it should. Ended in disasters.
Fiz is stopgap tryout coach.
Having right intentions does not guaranty the abilities to succeed.
Mitch is not a star, he is talented baby. His maturity as a big man is years away.
Fans always mix up expectations with reality.
Vmart wrote:Definitely not a star maker.
Fiz's coaching in a nutshell:
TLover wrote:First Gasol, then KP, now he’s screwing around with Mitch. This guy is an empty suit who thinks he’s slick but he can’t coach. Calls no real plays and thinks he can just roll the ball on the court.
If we had a real nba coach we would still have KP. He & Mitch were perfect compliments to each other.
So frustrating as a Knicks season ticket holder. Organization is run by baffoons.
putting aside the "star" characterization, Mitch made most of his progress last year when Deandre was on the team. At the moment i suppose his mentor is Taj but i always thought of him more as a 4, and not a tutor for a shot blocking type
Mitch also credited his decreased fouls last year with tips he learned from Kerry Kittles -- who wasn't affiliated with the team.
I don't mind if Fizz benches him, but there has to be a REAL plan for development. He was drafted as the epitome of a development project and to date his best development has come from outside the CS
Chandler wrote:TLover wrote:First Gasol, then KP, now he’s screwing around with Mitch. This guy is an empty suit who thinks he’s slick but he can’t coach. Calls no real plays and thinks he can just roll the ball on the court.
If we had a real nba coach we would still have KP. He & Mitch were perfect compliments to each other.
So frustrating as a Knicks season ticket holder. Organization is run by baffoons.putting aside the "star" characterization, Mitch made most of his progress last year when Deandre was on the team. At the moment i suppose his mentor is Taj but i always thought of him more as a 4, and not a tutor for a shot blocking type
Mitch also credited his decreased fouls last year with tips he learned from Kerry Kittles -- who wasn't affiliated with the team.
I don't mind if Fizz benches him, but there has to be a REAL plan for development. He was drafted as the epitome of a development project and to date his best development has come from outside the CS
That's the case for knox as well, and if frank is the epitome of the knicks development, then we should be focus on ready made players, like we did in the 90's
knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:TLover wrote:First Gasol, then KP, now he’s screwing around with Mitch. This guy is an empty suit who thinks he’s slick but he can’t coach. Calls no real plays and thinks he can just roll the ball on the court.
If we had a real nba coach we would still have KP. He & Mitch were perfect compliments to each other.
So frustrating as a Knicks season ticket holder. Organization is run by baffoons.putting aside the "star" characterization, Mitch made most of his progress last year when Deandre was on the team. At the moment i suppose his mentor is Taj but i always thought of him more as a 4, and not a tutor for a shot blocking type
Mitch also credited his decreased fouls last year with tips he learned from Kerry Kittles -- who wasn't affiliated with the team.
I don't mind if Fizz benches him, but there has to be a REAL plan for development. He was drafted as the epitome of a development project and to date his best development has come from outside the CS
That's the case for knox as well, and if frank is the epitome of the knicks development, then we should be focus on ready made players, like we did in the 90's
Building a team through FA is a losing proposition in a salary capped league UNLESS you can land bons fide superstars worth more than their MAX or SUPERMAX price tag. With FA you pay market value (generally speaking) and if anything a losing franchise has to pay a premium to get a player to join
We need to draft and develop. If we're not doing that well, the people in charge of drafting and developing need to go
knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:TLover wrote:First Gasol, then KP, now he’s screwing around with Mitch. This guy is an empty suit who thinks he’s slick but he can’t coach. Calls no real plays and thinks he can just roll the ball on the court.
If we had a real nba coach we would still have KP. He & Mitch were perfect compliments to each other.
So frustrating as a Knicks season ticket holder. Organization is run by baffoons.putting aside the "star" characterization, Mitch made most of his progress last year when Deandre was on the team. At the moment i suppose his mentor is Taj but i always thought of him more as a 4, and not a tutor for a shot blocking type
Mitch also credited his decreased fouls last year with tips he learned from Kerry Kittles -- who wasn't affiliated with the team.
I don't mind if Fizz benches him, but there has to be a REAL plan for development. He was drafted as the epitome of a development project and to date his best development has come from outside the CS
That's the case for knox as well, and if frank is the epitome of the knicks development, then we should be focus on ready made players, like we did in the 90's
The core of that was Ewing, Oak (Trade from drafted Cartright), Starks and Mase, who were developed FA's, and H20 a free agent. The team was build off of ewing. Oak became Camby, Starks was used in Spree trade, and Mase for LJ which in part was us taking LJ monster contract.
IN an era of no salary cap or it was not a hard cap then.
The point was there was a core. A core of talent, a core of developing talent and we were able to trade picks that then were less valuable because of contract management. 1-6 sucks. No easy answers. Just easy concepts.
knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:TLover wrote:First Gasol, then KP, now he’s screwing around with Mitch. This guy is an empty suit who thinks he’s slick but he can’t coach. Calls no real plays and thinks he can just roll the ball on the court.
If we had a real nba coach we would still have KP. He & Mitch were perfect compliments to each other.
So frustrating as a Knicks season ticket holder. Organization is run by baffoons.putting aside the "star" characterization, Mitch made most of his progress last year when Deandre was on the team. At the moment i suppose his mentor is Taj but i always thought of him more as a 4, and not a tutor for a shot blocking type
Mitch also credited his decreased fouls last year with tips he learned from Kerry Kittles -- who wasn't affiliated with the team.
I don't mind if Fizz benches him, but there has to be a REAL plan for development. He was drafted as the epitome of a development project and to date his best development has come from outside the CS
That's the case for knox as well, and if frank is the epitome of the knicks development, then we should be focus on ready made players, like we did in the 90's
Like Randle, Portis, Gibson, Morris, Payton, Ellington?
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TLover wrote:Fiz & his wife going to Latvia did nothing to convince KP to stay. KP and his family saw that he’s a BS artist and that his game would be stagnant if coached by Fiz. Gasol was already a great player and he got his bling bc of Leonard and Nick Nurse’s coaching.
Just bc Fiz told Gasol to shoot more 3’s does not mean he’s a good coach.
Ettore Messina should have been the hire when KP was here.Only reason Fizdale was hired, was to recruit KD which did not work. Heck he even hired KD’s mentor teammate when he was a rookie in Seattle.
KP's bags were packed before Fiz's introductory press conference...blame the previous regime for that. Fiz hasn't coached any stars since he's been in NY...
Chandler wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:TLover wrote:First Gasol, then KP, now he’s screwing around with Mitch. This guy is an empty suit who thinks he’s slick but he can’t coach. Calls no real plays and thinks he can just roll the ball on the court.
If we had a real nba coach we would still have KP. He & Mitch were perfect compliments to each other.
So frustrating as a Knicks season ticket holder. Organization is run by baffoons.putting aside the "star" characterization, Mitch made most of his progress last year when Deandre was on the team. At the moment i suppose his mentor is Taj but i always thought of him more as a 4, and not a tutor for a shot blocking type
Mitch also credited his decreased fouls last year with tips he learned from Kerry Kittles -- who wasn't affiliated with the team.
I don't mind if Fizz benches him, but there has to be a REAL plan for development. He was drafted as the epitome of a development project and to date his best development has come from outside the CS
That's the case for knox as well, and if frank is the epitome of the knicks development, then we should be focus on ready made players, like we did in the 90's
Building a team through FA is a losing proposition in a salary capped league UNLESS you can land bons fide superstars worth more than their MAX or SUPERMAX price tag. With FA you pay market value (generally speaking) and if anything a losing franchise has to pay a premium to get a player to join
We need to draft and develop. If we're not doing that well, the people in charge of drafting and developing need to go
No star FA has ever signed with knicks, not even in the 90's...mostly every good player came via trade
The F/O has had more young players than any front office the knicks have had PERIOD, and they are all well below avg, and not taking any major steps
Mills has assembled not 1 but 2 rosters that produce 17 win season in a 4 yr span. He has assembled rosters that have shattered every losing record (most overall losses in a row, most home losses in a row, most road losses in a row) in knicks 60+ yr history..
He hired an assistant coach to be his head coach, traded for draft bust and didn't even develop them, hired scott perry (a yes man) who has less impact around the league then him, he kept everyone on the coaching staff as if they did a good job last season
Between himself, Perry and Fiz(who all supposed to have great relationship with players around the league),couldn't convince a single star to here them out, and backed up rinks truck, to signed role player.
this franchise has the worst record in the entire NBA since he took over
Your trying to justify his plan or act like he knows what's best for this franchise..
yeak..ok
Uptown wrote:TLover wrote:Fiz & his wife going to Latvia did nothing to convince KP to stay. KP and his family saw that he’s a BS artist and that his game would be stagnant if coached by Fiz. Gasol was already a great player and he got his bling bc of Leonard and Nick Nurse’s coaching.
Just bc Fiz told Gasol to shoot more 3’s does not mean he’s a good coach.
Ettore Messina should have been the hire when KP was here.Only reason Fizdale was hired, was to recruit KD which did not work. Heck he even hired KD’s mentor teammate when he was a rookie in Seattle.
KP's bags were packed before Fiz's introductory press conference...blame the previous regime for that. Fiz hasn't coached any stars since he's been in NY...
prior regime certainly started it, but i think it's a completely legitimate view to think KP saw things going from bad to worse. The new regime talked one thing (2-way players who pass) and did another (e.g., Trier explicitly allowed to hold the ball more; no 2-way; worse D and passing than Hornacek era)
At some point this FO and this CS have to own their shit; they can't blame Phil for everything forever
knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:TLover wrote:First Gasol, then KP, now he’s screwing around with Mitch. This guy is an empty suit who thinks he’s slick but he can’t coach. Calls no real plays and thinks he can just roll the ball on the court.
If we had a real nba coach we would still have KP. He & Mitch were perfect compliments to each other.
So frustrating as a Knicks season ticket holder. Organization is run by baffoons.putting aside the "star" characterization, Mitch made most of his progress last year when Deandre was on the team. At the moment i suppose his mentor is Taj but i always thought of him more as a 4, and not a tutor for a shot blocking type
Mitch also credited his decreased fouls last year with tips he learned from Kerry Kittles -- who wasn't affiliated with the team.
I don't mind if Fizz benches him, but there has to be a REAL plan for development. He was drafted as the epitome of a development project and to date his best development has come from outside the CS
That's the case for knox as well, and if frank is the epitome of the knicks development, then we should be focus on ready made players, like we did in the 90's
Building a team through FA is a losing proposition in a salary capped league UNLESS you can land bons fide superstars worth more than their MAX or SUPERMAX price tag. With FA you pay market value (generally speaking) and if anything a losing franchise has to pay a premium to get a player to join
We need to draft and develop. If we're not doing that well, the people in charge of drafting and developing need to go
No star FA has ever signed with knicks, not even in the 90's...mostly every good player came via trade
The F/O has had more young players than any front office the knicks have had PERIOD, and they are all well below avg, and not taking any major steps
Mills has assembled not 1 but 2 rosters that produce 17 win season in a 4 yr span. He has assembled rosters that have shattered every losing record (most overall losses in a row, most home losses in a row, most road losses in a row) in knicks 60+ yr history..
He hired an assistant coach to be his head coach, traded for draft bust and didn't even develop them, hired scott perry (a yes man) who has less impact around the league then him, he kept everyone on the coaching staff as if they did a good job last season
Between himself, Perry and Fiz(who all supposed to have great relationship with players around the league),couldn't convince a single star to here them out, and backed up rinks truck, to signed role player.
this franchise has the worst record in the entire NBA since he took over
Your trying to justify his plan or act like he knows what's best for this franchise..
yeak..ok
You're nuts! Just read my posts and you'll see i'm one of Mill's and Perry's biggest critics
What i was saying is that the idea of building a team through FA is highly suspect when your team stinks
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knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:TLover wrote:First Gasol, then KP, now he’s screwing around with Mitch. This guy is an empty suit who thinks he’s slick but he can’t coach. Calls no real plays and thinks he can just roll the ball on the court.
If we had a real nba coach we would still have KP. He & Mitch were perfect compliments to each other.
So frustrating as a Knicks season ticket holder. Organization is run by baffoons.putting aside the "star" characterization, Mitch made most of his progress last year when Deandre was on the team. At the moment i suppose his mentor is Taj but i always thought of him more as a 4, and not a tutor for a shot blocking type
Mitch also credited his decreased fouls last year with tips he learned from Kerry Kittles -- who wasn't affiliated with the team.
I don't mind if Fizz benches him, but there has to be a REAL plan for development. He was drafted as the epitome of a development project and to date his best development has come from outside the CS
That's the case for knox as well, and if frank is the epitome of the knicks development, then we should be focus on ready made players, like we did in the 90's
Building a team through FA is a losing proposition in a salary capped league UNLESS you can land bons fide superstars worth more than their MAX or SUPERMAX price tag. With FA you pay market value (generally speaking) and if anything a losing franchise has to pay a premium to get a player to join
We need to draft and develop. If we're not doing that well, the people in charge of drafting and developing need to go
No star FA has ever signed with knicks, not even in the 90's...mostly every good player came via trade
The F/O has had more young players than any front office the knicks have had PERIOD, and they are all well below avg, and not taking any major steps
Mills has assembled not 1 but 2 rosters that produce 17 win season in a 4 yr span. He has assembled rosters that have shattered every losing record (most overall losses in a row, most home losses in a row, most road losses in a row) in knicks 60+ yr history..
He hired an assistant coach to be his head coach, traded for draft bust and didn't even develop them, hired scott perry (a yes man) who has less impact around the league then him, he kept everyone on the coaching staff as if they did a good job last season
Between himself, Perry and Fiz(who all supposed to have great relationship with players around the league),couldn't convince a single star to here them out, and backed up rinks truck, to signed role player.
this franchise has the worst record in the entire NBA since he took over
Your trying to justify his plan or act like he knows what's best for this franchise..
yeak..ok
Blame Mills for Phils work? I know it works for you.
No stars in the 90's? I thought we were good without? We went to the finals twice in the 90's?
What free agents were available that was missed? What was the window of opportunity either by player or by cap?
Grant Hill? Brain Grant? Shaq? the Details of ewings contract? Play a role? Mitumbo? Danny Ainge? Divac? Kerr?
BTW, Allan Houstan was signed as a free agent. At the time he was signed he was young and rising. We almost had Reggie Miller but H20 was far younger. Money aside, Allan was great. Money included, it did not pan out as hoped.
You have the answers 1248 but you don't have facts because you don't know the questions to ask yourself.
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knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:TLover wrote:First Gasol, then KP, now he’s screwing around with Mitch. This guy is an empty suit who thinks he’s slick but he can’t coach. Calls no real plays and thinks he can just roll the ball on the court.
If we had a real nba coach we would still have KP. He & Mitch were perfect compliments to each other.
So frustrating as a Knicks season ticket holder. Organization is run by baffoons.putting aside the "star" characterization, Mitch made most of his progress last year when Deandre was on the team. At the moment i suppose his mentor is Taj but i always thought of him more as a 4, and not a tutor for a shot blocking type
Mitch also credited his decreased fouls last year with tips he learned from Kerry Kittles -- who wasn't affiliated with the team.
I don't mind if Fizz benches him, but there has to be a REAL plan for development. He was drafted as the epitome of a development project and to date his best development has come from outside the CS
That's the case for knox as well, and if frank is the epitome of the knicks development, then we should be focus on ready made players, like we did in the 90's
Building a team through FA is a losing proposition in a salary capped league UNLESS you can land bons fide superstars worth more than their MAX or SUPERMAX price tag. With FA you pay market value (generally speaking) and if anything a losing franchise has to pay a premium to get a player to join
We need to draft and develop. If we're not doing that well, the people in charge of drafting and developing need to go
No star FA has ever signed with knicks, not even in the 90's...mostly every good player came via trade
The F/O has had more young players than any front office the knicks have had PERIOD, and they are all well below avg, and not taking any major steps
Mills has assembled not 1 but 2 rosters that produce 17 win season in a 4 yr span. He has assembled rosters that have shattered every losing record (most overall losses in a row, most home losses in a row, most road losses in a row) in knicks 60+ yr history..
He hired an assistant coach to be his head coach, traded for draft bust and didn't even develop them, hired scott perry (a yes man) who has less impact around the league then him, he kept everyone on the coaching staff as if they did a good job last season
Between himself, Perry and Fiz(who all supposed to have great relationship with players around the league),couldn't convince a single star to here them out, and backed up rinks truck, to signed role player.
this franchise has the worst record in the entire NBA since he took over
Your trying to justify his plan or act like he knows what's best for this franchise..
yeak..ok
If it will be any other coach and FO you will have the same post with other names feeling the blanks.
This team have to suck after 20 years moving in opposite direction to the success. And team suck and will suck.
The important thing is what we see not what you want to see.
I see nice group of young talented players who need a lot of work. I see opportunity created and all roads to success opened.
Will the current FO and coach use the opportunity they created or will waste it is to be seen.
You can obviously slam the chess from the board again... but we were there before and here we are...