SupremeCommander wrote:I'll be honest.. I love Robinson as a prospect and think he's our best one. If push comes to shove though, I would draft Wiseman and trade Robinson. He is just so raw. I feel like he has to play behind someone like DeAndre Jordan for a while to learn the ropes. Oh wait 
Y would you need to trade Robinson If Wiseman was drafted? Having him be a backup until he forces the Knicks hand with his play would be more ideal. He has a dirt cheap contract as well.
martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:I'll be honest.. I love Robinson as a prospect and think he's our best one. If push comes to shove though, I would draft Wiseman and trade Robinson. He is just so raw. I feel like he has to play behind someone like DeAndre Jordan for a while to learn the ropes. Oh wait
Right now he is playing behind Taj, and it seems to me the things he needs to learn are in his head
I don't think Taj can teach him much.. maybe how to be a professional? I think DeAndre could have showed him how to be a great defender, but maybe that's just me
newyorknewyork wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:I'll be honest.. I love Robinson as a prospect and think he's our best one. If push comes to shove though, I would draft Wiseman and trade Robinson. He is just so raw. I feel like he has to play behind someone like DeAndre Jordan for a while to learn the ropes. Oh wait
Y would you need to trade Robinson If Wiseman was drafted? Having him be a backup until he forces the Knicks hand with his play would be more ideal. He has a dirt cheap contract as well.
Because our team sucks massive donkey dong and I would rather develop a starter than a bench guy but maybe that's just me too
And again I am a Mitch fan. I think he could be another Camby our Chandler.. I just think you have to give to get
SupremeCommander wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:I'll be honest.. I love Robinson as a prospect and think he's our best one. If push comes to shove though, I would draft Wiseman and trade Robinson. He is just so raw. I feel like he has to play behind someone like DeAndre Jordan for a while to learn the ropes. Oh wait
Y would you need to trade Robinson If Wiseman was drafted? Having him be a backup until he forces the Knicks hand with his play would be more ideal. He has a dirt cheap contract as well.
Because our team sucks massive donkey dong and I would rather develop a starter than a bench guy but maybe that's just me too
Cant say that you can complain about Robinson's potential. Or his play. Now if you want to say he needs to learn when/not to foul. Agreed. However, think this is an easy thing to improve with time. One thing you cant teach is an endless motor and natural ability to block shots. He has both. Giving up on him after just one year and 22 games seems short sighted. Imo. This would be a classic bad Knick move. Specially when you have several other players/positions with bigger concerns and you consider that the return would just be another question mark.
It’s not the fouling itself. If his main problem was fouling a lot defending the rim then it wouldn’t be good but far more acceptable. That is definitely more of a skill and experience thing that he can get good at eventually.
His problem is he is falling for every single damn pump fake. I knew it was going to turn into a problem when he was blocking 3 point shots and now he’s going for every single little nod. Even if he doesn’t foul, he puts the rest of the defense in a bad position when he does that. Don’t give a damn if Joel Embid is hitting shots. I’d far rather see mitch back off a foot and let him take the shot then have him drive by him and allow him to get crafty.
He makes himself one of the worst players in the league when he does that when he should be on the road to being extremely reliable.
HofstraBBall wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:I'll be honest.. I love Robinson as a prospect and think he's our best one. If push comes to shove though, I would draft Wiseman and trade Robinson. He is just so raw. I feel like he has to play behind someone like DeAndre Jordan for a while to learn the ropes. Oh wait
Y would you need to trade Robinson If Wiseman was drafted? Having him be a backup until he forces the Knicks hand with his play would be more ideal. He has a dirt cheap contract as well.
Because our team sucks massive donkey dong and I would rather develop a starter than a bench guy but maybe that's just me too
Cant say that you can complain about Robinson's potential. Or his play. Now if you want to say he needs to learn when/not to foul. Agreed. However, think this is an easy thing to improve with time. One thing you cant teach is an endless motor and natural ability to block shots. He has both. Giving up on him after just one year and 22 games seems short sighted. Imo. This would be a classic bad Knick move. Specially when you have several other players/positions with bigger concerns and you consider that the return would just be another question mark.
The response seems more emotional than logical. Kid is 21, playing in his 2nd yr, is being payed peanuts, and has impact potential even in limited role. IF thats all he develops into. Team needs to develop starters and backups reguardless. Not having to depend on Mitch as the savior and having him be a productive energy guy off the bench witn an upgraded starter ahead of him would be a better overall decision than moving him. Unless blown away with an offer. Keeping guys in the org where they are 4-5-6-7 yrs in is nesseary. Maybe by his 3rd-4th-5th yr it clicks for him and he is allstar calibre while playing a bench role at the age of 24 or 25. There is limited downside towards keeping him.
Allanfan20 wrote:It’s not the fouling itself. If his main problem was fouling a lot defending the rim then it wouldn’t be good but far more acceptable. That is definitely more of a skill and experience thing that he can get good at eventually. His problem is he is falling for every single damn pump fake. I knew it was going to turn into a problem when he was blocking 3 point shots and now he’s going for every single little nod. Even if he doesn’t foul, he puts the rest of the defense in a bad position when he does that. Don’t give a damn if Joel Embid is hitting shots. I’d far rather see mitch back off a foot and let him take the shot then have him drive by him and allow him to get crafty.
He makes himself one of the worst players in the league when he does that when he should be on the road to being extremely reliable.
Agree that he still falls for some pump fakes. However, the fouls that really make no sense are the ones trying to block 3pt shots and setting improper picks. The good news is that those may be easy ones to cut out.
HofstraBBall wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:It’s not the fouling itself. If his main problem was fouling a lot defending the rim then it wouldn’t be good but far more acceptable. That is definitely more of a skill and experience thing that he can get good at eventually. His problem is he is falling for every single damn pump fake. I knew it was going to turn into a problem when he was blocking 3 point shots and now he’s going for every single little nod. Even if he doesn’t foul, he puts the rest of the defense in a bad position when he does that. Don’t give a damn if Joel Embid is hitting shots. I’d far rather see mitch back off a foot and let him take the shot then have him drive by him and allow him to get crafty.
He makes himself one of the worst players in the league when he does that when he should be on the road to being extremely reliable.
Agree that he still falls for some pump fakes. However, the fouls that really make no sense are the ones trying to block 3pt shots and setting improper picks. The good news is that those may be easy ones to cut out.
I put fouling the shooter on the same level as falling for fakes, especially if you are a big. It’s mind-boggling that a lot of 3 point shooters get fouled today. It’s inexplicable that Mitch does it. This is fundamental defense that should be learned in high school.
Allanfan20 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:It’s not the fouling itself. If his main problem was fouling a lot defending the rim then it wouldn’t be good but far more acceptable. That is definitely more of a skill and experience thing that he can get good at eventually.
His problem is he is falling for every single damn pump fake. I knew it was going to turn into a problem when he was blocking 3 point shots and now he’s going for every single little nod. Even if he doesn’t foul, he puts the rest of the defense in a bad position when he does that. Don’t give a damn if Joel Embid is hitting shots. I’d far rather see mitch back off a foot and let him take the shot then have him drive by him and allow him to get crafty.He makes himself one of the worst players in the league when he does that when he should be on the road to being extremely reliable.
Agree that he still falls for some pump fakes. However, the fouls that really make no sense are the ones trying to block 3pt shots and setting improper picks. The good news is that those may be easy ones to cut out.
I put fouling the shooter on the same level as falling for fakes, especially if you are a big. It’s mind-boggling that a lot of 3 point shooters get fouled today. It’s inexplicable that Mitch does it. This is fundamental defense that should be learned in high school.
Mitch played very little bbal to learn anything.
It is amazing he learn as much as he shows.
He will not reach his potential before 25-26 and this is how it is for most of the bigs.
We get him for nothing so it is nothing to talk about.
Other than drafting Wiseman, we need to keep Robinson. He just needs another year. By next year he should be physically stronger and smarter in his approach. RJ and Robinson are the two untouchables in my view. I also would like the Knicks to resign Frank if we can get him on a 2-3 year extension for cheap. I think in 2 years after he matures more, he is going to rock solid for us. I also like Morris. Randle needs a strong pg to be effective. He is not a number 1 option. He is better as a 3rd option.
TheGame wrote:Other than drafting Wiseman, we need to keep Robinson. He just needs another year. By next year he should be physically stronger and smarter in his approach. RJ and Robinson are the two untouchables in my view. I also would like the Knicks to resign Frank if we can get him on a 2-3 year extension for cheap. I think in 2 years after he matures more, he is going to rock solid for us. I also like Morris. Randle needs a strong pg to be effective. He is not a number 1 option. He is better as a 3rd option.
If he has barely improved from last season, what makes you think he's is going to take this giant leap next yr, and that hasn't proven to be the case with anyone we draft
It's not just his silly foul's, it's his FT shooting, his zero perimeter game, and not having a single post move in the paint. All he has going for him is dunking and blocking shots, and that has proven to have very little impact..
Mills has pretty much drafted a bunch a career back ups, with the exception of RJ
knicks1248 wrote:TheGame wrote:Other than drafting Wiseman, we need to keep Robinson. He just needs another year. By next year he should be physically stronger and smarter in his approach. RJ and Robinson are the two untouchables in my view. I also would like the Knicks to resign Frank if we can get him on a 2-3 year extension for cheap. I think in 2 years after he matures more, he is going to rock solid for us. I also like Morris. Randle needs a strong pg to be effective. He is not a number 1 option. He is better as a 3rd option.
If he has barely improved from last season, what makes you think he's is going to take this giant leap next yr, and that hasn't proven to be the case with anyone we draft
It's not just his silly foul's, it's his FT shooting, his zero perimeter game, and not having a single post move in the paint. All he has going for him is dunking and blocking shots, and that has proven to have very little impact..
Mills has pretty much drafted a bunch a career back ups, with the exception of RJ
I don’t agree with this. They are young players and they haven’t been given the guidance necessary to improve. The Knicks have a horrendous coach who did absolutely nothing last year but get fat eating up free agency and Zion as the cherry on top.
The young kids had to go through utter negligence by a do nothing coach.
knicks1248 wrote:TheGame wrote:Other than drafting Wiseman, we need to keep Robinson. He just needs another year. By next year he should be physically stronger and smarter in his approach. RJ and Robinson are the two untouchables in my view. I also would like the Knicks to resign Frank if we can get him on a 2-3 year extension for cheap. I think in 2 years after he matures more, he is going to rock solid for us. I also like Morris. Randle needs a strong pg to be effective. He is not a number 1 option. He is better as a 3rd option.
If he has barely improved from last season, what makes you think he's is going to take this giant leap next yr, and that hasn't proven to be the case with anyone we draft
It's not just his silly foul's, it's his FT shooting, his zero perimeter game, and not having a single post move in the paint. All he has going for him is dunking and blocking shots, and that has proven to have very little impact..
Mills has pretty much drafted a bunch a career back ups, with the exception of RJ
You focus on what Mitch cant do not even straight out of high school. Took a year off. Im focusing on what he can do. Already one of the best shot blockers in the league. Can even block on the perimeter. Has a great nose for the ball. What he doesnt have out of high school, and a year off is reps, minutes, coaching. mentoring.
Could care less if Mitch ever hits a 3. A baby hook around the paint is all he really needs. Another skill Mitch has is that his second jump for a loose ball is as strong as his first. You're being too impatient with such a raw player. Already is one of the most intimidating players in the league. Once he learns how to stay out if foul trouble, look out.
Kyrie and Durant got all the attention but the biggest loss this summer for the Knicks was Deandre Jordan.
GustavBahler wrote:knicks1248 wrote:TheGame wrote:Other than drafting Wiseman, we need to keep Robinson. He just needs another year. By next year he should be physically stronger and smarter in his approach. RJ and Robinson are the two untouchables in my view. I also would like the Knicks to resign Frank if we can get him on a 2-3 year extension for cheap. I think in 2 years after he matures more, he is going to rock solid for us. I also like Morris. Randle needs a strong pg to be effective. He is not a number 1 option. He is better as a 3rd option.
If he has barely improved from last season, what makes you think he's is going to take this giant leap next yr, and that hasn't proven to be the case with anyone we draft
It's not just his silly foul's, it's his FT shooting, his zero perimeter game, and not having a single post move in the paint. All he has going for him is dunking and blocking shots, and that has proven to have very little impact..
Mills has pretty much drafted a bunch a career back ups, with the exception of RJ
You focus on what Mitch cant do not even straight out of high school. Took a year off. Im focusing on what he can do. Already one of the best shot blockers in the league. Can even block on the perimeter. Has a great nose for the ball. What he doesnt have out of high school, and a year off is reps, minutes, coaching. mentoring.
Could care less if Mitch ever hits a 3. A baby hook around the paint is all he really needs. Another skill Mitch has is that his second jump for a loose ball is as strong as his first. You're being too impatient with such a raw player. Already is one of the most intimidating players in the league. Once he learns how to stay out if foul trouble, look out.
The NBA is mostly Perimeter orientated, almost every big man in the league is shooting 3's.
It's all about space and pace something the knicks rarely ever have.
There have been a ton of times on a simply PnR, where a team will shut down the Roll, and he's 18 feet from the basket wide open, scared to death to take that shot, now he's forced to pass to a player who ends up going ISO..
This is why the knicks offense looks terrible at times..
I have no faith in this coaching staff to make him a better player
knicks1248 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:knicks1248 wrote:TheGame wrote:Other than drafting Wiseman, we need to keep Robinson. He just needs another year. By next year he should be physically stronger and smarter in his approach. RJ and Robinson are the two untouchables in my view. I also would like the Knicks to resign Frank if we can get him on a 2-3 year extension for cheap. I think in 2 years after he matures more, he is going to rock solid for us. I also like Morris. Randle needs a strong pg to be effective. He is not a number 1 option. He is better as a 3rd option.
If he has barely improved from last season, what makes you think he's is going to take this giant leap next yr, and that hasn't proven to be the case with anyone we draft
It's not just his silly foul's, it's his FT shooting, his zero perimeter game, and not having a single post move in the paint. All he has going for him is dunking and blocking shots, and that has proven to have very little impact..
Mills has pretty much drafted a bunch a career back ups, with the exception of RJ
You focus on what Mitch cant do not even straight out of high school. Took a year off. Im focusing on what he can do. Already one of the best shot blockers in the league. Can even block on the perimeter. Has a great nose for the ball. What he doesnt have out of high school, and a year off is reps, minutes, coaching. mentoring.
Could care less if Mitch ever hits a 3. A baby hook around the paint is all he really needs. Another skill Mitch has is that his second jump for a loose ball is as strong as his first. You're being too impatient with such a raw player. Already is one of the most intimidating players in the league. Once he learns how to stay out if foul trouble, look out.
The NBA is mostly Perimeter orientated, almost every big man in the league is shooting 3's.
It's all about space and pace something the knicks rarely ever have.
There have been a ton of times on a simply PnR, where a team will shut down the Roll, and he's 18 feet from the basket wide open, scared to death to take that shot, now he's forced to pass to a player who ends up going ISO..
This is why the knicks offense looks terrible at times..
I have no faith in this coaching staff to make him a better player
It is obvious Mitch is not comfortable to shoot jumpers.
He obviously does it in practice and it most likely not going too well.
Doing this in empty gym unguarded for internet video is one thing.
Doing this in game situation when every second of every position counts is quite another.
"almost every big man in the league is shooting 3's" are the big man with 5-10 years of experience. Many of them all-stars.
Mitch is end of 2nd round dude with limited games played at even close to NBA level. He is looooooooong way to go.
But his potential is limitless. Is it all you need with years of rebuild in front of you?
knicks1248 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:knicks1248 wrote:TheGame wrote:Other than drafting Wiseman, we need to keep Robinson. He just needs another year. By next year he should be physically stronger and smarter in his approach. RJ and Robinson are the two untouchables in my view. I also would like the Knicks to resign Frank if we can get him on a 2-3 year extension for cheap. I think in 2 years after he matures more, he is going to rock solid for us. I also like Morris. Randle needs a strong pg to be effective. He is not a number 1 option. He is better as a 3rd option.
If he has barely improved from last season, what makes you think he's is going to take this giant leap next yr, and that hasn't proven to be the case with anyone we draft
It's not just his silly foul's, it's his FT shooting, his zero perimeter game, and not having a single post move in the paint. All he has going for him is dunking and blocking shots, and that has proven to have very little impact..
Mills has pretty much drafted a bunch a career back ups, with the exception of RJ
You focus on what Mitch cant do not even straight out of high school. Took a year off. Im focusing on what he can do. Already one of the best shot blockers in the league. Can even block on the perimeter. Has a great nose for the ball. What he doesnt have out of high school, and a year off is reps, minutes, coaching. mentoring.
Could care less if Mitch ever hits a 3. A baby hook around the paint is all he really needs. Another skill Mitch has is that his second jump for a loose ball is as strong as his first. You're being too impatient with such a raw player. Already is one of the most intimidating players in the league. Once he learns how to stay out if foul trouble, look out.
The NBA is mostly Perimeter orientated, almost every big man in the league is shooting 3's.
It's all about space and pace something the knicks rarely ever have.
There have been a ton of times on a simply PnR, where a team will shut down the Roll, and he's 18 feet from the basket wide open, scared to death to take that shot, now he's forced to pass to a player who ends up going ISO..
This is why the knicks offense looks terrible at times..
I have no faith in this coaching staff to make him a better player
Im aware of that. Also aware that some players are so good at a certain skill set, that you work around the holes in their game. If Ellington was still playing like one of the best 3pt shooters in the league (not throwing up airballs) it wouldnt really matter to me if he didnt drive to the rim. Wouldnt of minded Novak never driving or taking a 2, if he could drain a jumper with someone in his face.
When you have a player who has great anticipation (too much at times lol) you dont throw the baby out with the bath water, and move him, after a little over a year. Again, he's still very raw. No college, a year off. Has a lot to absorb. Too early to be concerned. Mitch ia considered one of the steals of the draft. Credit mgmt for that.
GustavBahler wrote:knicks1248 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:knicks1248 wrote:TheGame wrote:Other than drafting Wiseman, we need to keep Robinson. He just needs another year. By next year he should be physically stronger and smarter in his approach. RJ and Robinson are the two untouchables in my view. I also would like the Knicks to resign Frank if we can get him on a 2-3 year extension for cheap. I think in 2 years after he matures more, he is going to rock solid for us. I also like Morris. Randle needs a strong pg to be effective. He is not a number 1 option. He is better as a 3rd option.
If he has barely improved from last season, what makes you think he's is going to take this giant leap next yr, and that hasn't proven to be the case with anyone we draft
It's not just his silly foul's, it's his FT shooting, his zero perimeter game, and not having a single post move in the paint. All he has going for him is dunking and blocking shots, and that has proven to have very little impact..
Mills has pretty much drafted a bunch a career back ups, with the exception of RJ
You focus on what Mitch cant do not even straight out of high school. Took a year off. Im focusing on what he can do. Already one of the best shot blockers in the league. Can even block on the perimeter. Has a great nose for the ball. What he doesnt have out of high school, and a year off is reps, minutes, coaching. mentoring.
Could care less if Mitch ever hits a 3. A baby hook around the paint is all he really needs. Another skill Mitch has is that his second jump for a loose ball is as strong as his first. You're being too impatient with such a raw player. Already is one of the most intimidating players in the league. Once he learns how to stay out if foul trouble, look out.
The NBA is mostly Perimeter orientated, almost every big man in the league is shooting 3's.
It's all about space and pace something the knicks rarely ever have.
There have been a ton of times on a simply PnR, where a team will shut down the Roll, and he's 18 feet from the basket wide open, scared to death to take that shot, now he's forced to pass to a player who ends up going ISO..
This is why the knicks offense looks terrible at times..
I have no faith in this coaching staff to make him a better player
Im aware of that. Also aware that some players are so good at a certain skill set, that you work around the holes in their game. If Ellington was still playing like one of the best 3pt shooters in the league (not throwing up airballs) it wouldnt really matter to me if he didnt drive to the rim. Wouldnt of minded Novak never driving or taking a 2, if he could drain a jumper with someone in his face.
When you have a player who has great anticipation (too much at times lol) you dont throw the baby out with the bath water, and move him, after a little over a year. Again, he's still very raw. No college, a year off. Has a lot to absorb. Too early to be concerned. Mitch ia considered one of the steals of the draft. Credit mgmt for that.
"Credit mgmt for that" is a problem. Management is a bunch or idiots so Mitch to be damned... 
GustavBahler wrote:Gibson is a great mentor for the younger players, but I wish we could have managed to keep Jordan. He was doing a good job showing Mitch the ropes. Their games are similar. Mitch has to stop putting mustard on his screens with that extra bit of contact after planting himself. That shouldnt be too hard to fix. Also has to do a better job of not buying fakes.
The Knick FO resigning/extension to DeAndre Jordan would have been a great investment in MitchRob's NBA growth. Those were the thoughts of a lot Knick fans last season weeks after the KP trade .. we all seen the advance improvement in MitchRob performance when DeAndre Jordan join the Knicks.
I doubt DJ or KP would have went for Randle's ISO act at the end of every game …..
