Knicks · Per Wojo, Knicks have fired Fizdale... (Mike Miller interim coach) (page 7)

I don’t see what’s wrong with that Knicks statement

What’s truly sickening is the people around the league defending Fiz

He sucks.

You like him so much, let’s see you hire him to run your team.

Morris is paid 15mil. THats not star salary, not even close.
Either Dolan panicked as he usually does or there was a fundamental flaw in the what Fiz was doing and could not undo.
Fiz was fired. Not for the long term but because the immediate issues and the longer term damage it could do. Nalod has seen how many coaches fired in the last 18 years and it really has not mattered has it? This one had to be done.
As for MIlls I won’t defend him as I see his reign as starting in the post Phil era. Again, in hindsight PHil was not a savior we had hoped and his short term moves were awful his long term “Process” was not off the mark rebuilding thru yoot. He wanted KP gone and was fired for it. Again, a panic move.
While emotions run hot and media will jump on this big time its time to look at the big picture and ask not what Mills has done has not worked, but what is the process that made it? Some picks will never turn out. There are odds. This isn’t about the free agent money they spend last summer. THats a drop in the bucket and only Randle goes beyond this year. Before I run him out, or mills, or anyone else thinking the weather will change I better damn have a good plan in place that is different. If not what are knicks really doing by changing it up again? Showing the world it panics.
Funny, for all the shyt lakers got with Magic and what a dick Perlinka is the fact is Magic had no substance and Rob Perlinka the snake he is was shrewd and got it done. Lakers needEd draft assets to rebuild and perhaps knicks will soon also. Losing KP set us back.
What I don’t know is what is the issue with DSjr? Knox I’m not too worried about. Young players go thru hell. I’ll put Frank into this segment as I’m curious has Fiz messed these kids up a bit? They are talented but can’t play free. Riley’s Miami teams with a few exceptions were not built on draft and yoot. Early teams were built on trade to get Mourning and Hardaway Sr. Until he it lucky with Wade Riles was not known as a development guy. If The coaching tree carries its DNA with it Fiz is not either. Not sure that was the plan all along either. FIz came to coach KP, Timmy, and a free agent to pair with them.

CrushAlot wrote:Not sure if the source is reliable but thought this was interesting.

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Trier and Morris i'm guessing.

anrst wrote:
What’s truly sickening is the people around the league defending Fiz

You like him so much, let’s see you hire him to run your team.

Exactly. No one wants to bet on Fizdale excet with Dolan's $$$. No players wanted to be coached by Fizdale except mercenaries.

Sambakick wrote:

anrst wrote:
What’s truly sickening is the people around the league defending Fiz

You like him so much, let’s see you hire him to run your team.

Exactly. No one wants to bet on Fizdale excet with Dolan's $$$. No players wanted to be coached by Fizdale except mercenaries.

He will coach soon.
Coaches who backed him up have a lot of credibility.
Plus everyone assumed that Knicks org sucks so the players we collected in this roster.
So do not worry about Fiz. He will get doule paid and will coach better team in better environment.

arkrud wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

anrst wrote:
What’s truly sickening is the people around the league defending Fiz

You like him so much, let’s see you hire him to run your team.

Exactly. No one wants to bet on Fizdale excet with Dolan's $$$. No players wanted to be coached by Fizdale except mercenaries.

He will coach soon.
Coaches who backed him up have a lot of credibility.
Plus everyone assumed that Knicks org sucks so the players we collected in this roster.
So do not worry about Fiz. He will get doule paid and will coach better team in better environment.

I bet you he will not get another job as a HC until at least 2022. Gonna take a long time for people to forget. He will be an assistant coach somewhere. Let's see Pop hire him if he's so good.

He won’t head coach again. He will just bench jockey as an assistant that guys like to pal around with.

He might get another head coaching job because he is well liked and bad decisions happen. The Knick roster is very flawed. Also, Fizdale showed that he was an atrocious head coach here. People who think that the Knicks' lack of success this year is 100% because of the roster are not watching the games and/or don't understand the game.

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CrushAlot wrote:Not sure if the source is reliable but thought this was interesting.

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Trier and Morris i'm guessing.

I was thinking Trier and Portis.

Sambakick wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

anrst wrote:
What’s truly sickening is the people around the league defending Fiz

You like him so much, let’s see you hire him to run your team.

Exactly. No one wants to bet on Fizdale excet with Dolan's $$$. No players wanted to be coached by Fizdale except mercenaries.

He will coach soon.
Coaches who backed him up have a lot of credibility.
Plus everyone assumed that Knicks org sucks so the players we collected in this roster.
So do not worry about Fiz. He will get doule paid and will coach better team in better environment.

I bet you he will not get another job as a HC until at least 2022. Gonna take a long time for people to forget. He will be an assistant coach somewhere. Let's see Pop hire him if he's so good.

Wouldn't he give up money on his Knick contract if he coached somewhere else before 2022? He might pick up some tv work but I don't think anyone is paying him over 5 mil to be on their bench in any role.

anrst wrote:He won’t head coach again. He will just bench jockey as an assistant that guys like to pal around with.

Not anytime soon, certainly. Maybe gets another shot due to circumstances. Who knows, but certainly back to being an assistant of some kind next season if he comes back.

I think the Knicks were correct in not commenting on Fizdale's dismissal. Because the Knicks are such a pinata for bad press, no matter what they said would sound disingenuous. How do you sugar-coat the fact that Fizdale was given the massive resources of MSG to rebuild a team and has left such a dumpster fire in the wake of his tenure?

By issuing "no comment", Fizdale has no need to defend himself if the comment were construed as negative and the Knicks by not being disingenuous have no need to look as if they are smiling while the dumpster burns. And the visual of Fizdale smiling at a 40 point defeat is still fresh in everyone's mind.

One of Fizdale's weaknesses I think was that his rhetoric appeals to a crowd who invest in bullsh@t rather than results. This includes the LeBron's, Popovich's and so on who are not only sticking up for a winner's fraternity brother but also kicking Dolan in the nuts one-more-time. Fizdale, the minute he signed the contract, was gone - the money his. If things worked out, all the better. Otherwise, a clueless coach recommended to us by professionals who hated the team.

In Friday's Facebook Knicks Fix cast, Hahn remarked (before knowing of the firing) that the performance on the court was beginning to seriously diminish the Knicks brand regardless of the competitive consequences in the standings. He speculated that radical changes needed to be made - something all of us who are dedicated fans already felt.

Of course, once the MSM smells blood in the water we witness the dog whistling of Asshola and others calling for Mills and Perry to walk a plank like PJ and Walsh, Isiah before them. The media sees this as their job rather than analyzing what is really going on. Fizdale's firing marks fair warning to both Mills and Perry that their tenure in the front office was on notice. They probably have until the end of the season to turn this around.

After all, no one predicted this kind of start to the season. Its fair to criticize front office moves before the season begins but its entirely another argument to say, "not only do the FO moves suck but the entire team will meltdown along the way". That part has a lot to do with implementation and coaching.

Fizdale was transparently clueless. The Knicks cannot afford to have a Head Coach who is competing with the likes of Brad Stevens, Popovich,Kerr, and so on. Fizdale more often than not looked and acted like a mental midget. The Knicks needed to pull the plug and fast and thankfully they did.

Anyone criticizing Dolan needs to see a therapist. Dolan pays everyone well to bring their best. Fizdale did not.

The other topic that's interesting is yet another point made by Hahn in the Knicks Fix Friday cast. That is that the Knicks should have never been as lethargic going into the Milwaukee game and that after a 40 point loss, more players should have been fighting each other and the coaching staff to say, "Hey, the player on the court is losing us games, its my turn!".

Hahn went on to discuss low energy players and play who need to be shown the door. While not necessarily pointing fingers, Hahn hinted at some obvious suspects - Randall, Knox, DSJ. He also admonished Randall for a lack of leadership (leadership qualities he likely doesn't have). And he spoke to Fizdale's cowardice in not benching Randall.

In reference to Knox, he spoke about players who would rather play video games than improve their game. I don't think this was aimed specifically at Knox. The inability of these young layers to have a college experience is hurting everyone. Young men need time to blow off steam, be goofy, and mature. Doing all that in the NBA is a tough way to grow.

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stanleybostitch wrote:It's a needed change - everyone was regressing and Fiz showed zero ability to provide any semblance of organized team ball. Welcome Mike Miller and best of luck, you'll need it.

Team has not looked mentally tough, nevermind 3pt D. Last game, they looked sharp for a quarter, then one turnover led to many. Not just Xs and Os. If Miller can help keep them focused for 4 quarters, that will be a big step in the right direction.

Good luck with that one. We have too many mentally weak and emotionally fragile team full of backup forwards. The real change will come when the roster is turned over again, after these 1 yr contracts expire.

Agreed

Disagree. Would not call our forwards mentally weak as individual players. Collectively, yes. Believe the reason for that distinction, is the team is effectively rudderless. Didnt see the leadership from Fizdale, didnt see enough of it at the point. Its been a weird season with our PGs.

Definitely some improvment from Frank and Dennis, not enough to lead the team with their play. Morris and Randle arent used to being called upon to lead, more a lack of experience than weakness.

If Perry made one noticeable mistake, it was signing both Randle and Morris. Believe its messing with the chemistry. The more games I see, the more I hope Morris sticks around. If Miller can get the PGs to effectively run the team, settle things down. Believe the team will start playing with more focus, wont fall apart from the pressure, as a team. My hope anyway.

Morris was a very late signing and a useful player for todays nba. Randle is a questionable fit with Mitch. The Knicks need to start putting complimentry pieces around what we have. Something that was not done this offseason. I wish we would of got a real PG in here last off-season. I really think a competent PG would fix many of the issues this team has. Frank has improved but I dont believe he will ever bring enough offense to be a lead guard. I also believe he is going to walk the first chance he gets and he should. Knicks need to walk away from this draft with Lamelo Ball. His court vision and passing ability is unmatched

A couple of things different about the Miller hiring. He got promoted to Fiz's staff because of merit. He isn't a big name hired for star appeal or relationships he has around the league. He was just hired because of his coaching ability. The Knicks haven't done something like this since JVG. I have no idea if Miller is a good coach but getting the interim job isn't business as usual for the Knicks.

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CrushAlot wrote:Not sure if the source is reliable but thought this was interesting.

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Trier and Morris i'm guessing.

I was thinking Trier and Portis.

Me too.

Chandler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Not sure if the source is reliable but thought this was interesting.

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Trier and Morris i'm guessing.

I was thinking Trier and Portis.

Me too.

I'd have guess its not Frank. Knox looks like a shy teenager still and appears polite. Barrett still too green. I can see Fiz feeling "Betrayed" by Triers lack of intensity on defense and lashing out at him, and thus Trier's defiance kicking in. I don't know. Portis looks like shyt shooting like he got it like that and his minute getting cut. Fiz under pressure, or any coach for that matter is going to handle things.
Randle to me is not the issue, he is a symptom of the inconsistent guard play and lack of shooters.

CrushAlot wrote:A couple of things different about the Miller hiring. He got promoted to Fiz's staff because of merit. He isn't a big name hired for star appeal or relationships he has around the league. He was just hired because of his coaching ability. The Knicks haven't done something like this since JVG. I have no idea if Miller is a good coach but getting the interim job isn't business as usual for the Knicks.

Well it speaks to how well the FO is working. The Knicks are promoting within and with logical succession. Keith Bogans has been promoted to work with the PGs.

All of this is good news.

It also speaks to a commitment to the rebuild throughout this season.

CrushAlot wrote:A couple of things different about the Miller hiring. He got promoted to Fiz's staff because of merit. He isn't a big name hired for star appeal or relationships he has around the league. He was just hired because of his coaching ability. The Knicks haven't done something like this since JVG. I have no idea if Miller is a good coach but getting the interim job isn't business as usual for the Knicks.

exactly!!

I'm actually kind of excited about him. And in the back of my mind, I think Mills may have planted him there having doubts about Fizz and that was the basis for all of those "wheels in motion" comments after Mills and Perry had that dumb press conference after 10 games

from day 1 i didn't like the Fizz hire because i thought he was a windbag. I wanted Bud. And for full disclosure I am no coach-pick savant because i also wanted Vogel (who flamed out in Orlando)

Nalod wrote:

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Sambakick wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Not sure if the source is reliable but thought this was interesting.

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Trier and Morris i'm guessing.

I was thinking Trier and Portis.

Me too.

I'd have guess its not Frank. Knox looks like a shy teenager still and appears polite. Barrett still too green. I can see Fiz feeling "Betrayed" by Triers lack of intensity on defense and lashing out at him, and thus Trier's defiance kicking in. I don't know. Portis looks like shyt shooting like he got it like that and his minute getting cut. Fiz under pressure, or any coach for that matter is going to handle things.
Randle to me is not the issue, he is a symptom of the inconsistent guard play and lack of shooters.

I don't think Fizz did himself any favors saying the team didn't think it could beat the Bucks before tip off. I can imagine many players feeling like they were thrown under the bus

Trier was last year's coaches pet, and no he's at the end of the bench. He is definitely the young guy. Portis likes to punch teammates.