I think I've come up with an idea to minimize tanking in the league. The ordering should be based on a rolling 3-year average. That would prevent things like the David Robinson draft and this year's Golden State, and generally disincentivize teams from purposely losing games because they'll leave less of an impact on the draft order.
Hollah back.
Also, if GS wins the lottery this year, I'm going to fucking vomit.
Panos wrote:
Also, if GS wins the lottery this year, I'm going to fucking vomit.
Even at full strength the league has caught up to the warriors. Steph, Klay and Dray aren't winning 73 again.
Panos wrote:I think I've come up with an idea to minimize tanking in the league. The ordering should be based on a rolling 3-year average.
I don't get it.
The Knicks are terrible every year... so your system would reward the Knicks, which i like, but doesn't seem to disincentivize tanking. The Knicks have the worst record for the last 3 years and they'll' get the #1 pick, then next year they'll still probably have the worst 3 year record, etc.... how does this stop tanking.
Unless you're saying that once you win it, you can't win it again the next year. Which i'm not sure i like either.
Sambakick wrote:Panos wrote:I think I've come up with an idea to minimize tanking in the league. The ordering should be based on a rolling 3-year average.
I don't get it. The Knicks are terrible every year... so your system would reward the Knicks, which i like, but doesn't seem to disincentivize tanking. The Knicks have the worst record for the last 3 years and they'll' get the #1 pick, then next year they'll still probably have the worst 3 year record, etc.... how does this stop tanking.
Unless you're saying that once you win it, you can't win it again the next year. Which i'm not sure i like either.
I'm saying that losing a few extra game this year will have less impact on your draft order because it is averaged in with your precious to years. So yes, if you've sucked for three years you draft hi. But I doubt that many teams are willing to commit to three years of losing on purpose.
Panos wrote:Sambakick wrote:Panos wrote:I think I've come up with an idea to minimize tanking in the league. The ordering should be based on a rolling 3-year average.
I don't get it. The Knicks are terrible every year... so your system would reward the Knicks, which i like, but doesn't seem to disincentivize tanking. The Knicks have the worst record for the last 3 years and they'll' get the #1 pick, then next year they'll still probably have the worst 3 year record, etc.... how does this stop tanking.
Unless you're saying that once you win it, you can't win it again the next year. Which i'm not sure i like either.
I'm saying that losing a few extra game this year will have less impact on your draft order because it is averaged in with your precious to years. So yes, if you've sucked for three years you draft hi. But I doubt that many teams are willing to commit to three years of losing on purpose.
**it is averaged in with your previous two years
But I doubt that many teams are willing to commit to three years of losing on purpose.
See, this is where i don't agree. I think your suggestion actually tempts teams to do "the process"
I think your reform is basically the old style (rewarding losing) just with a twist.
I think the most recent reform last season accomplished the goal of eliminating tanking as a multi-year organizational strategy.
There is more simple solution.
2 worst teams go to G-league replaced with 2 best GL teams go to NBA.
This will be a real revolution and will change everything.
Losing will get a whole new meaning.
This is an interesting subject I think we have discussed before but worthy to bring back. It does incentivize a team to not not tank as they would not have to.
arkrud wrote:There is more simple solution.
2 worst teams go to G-league replaced with 2 best GL teams go to NBA.
This will be a real revolution and will change everything.
Losing will get a whole new meaning.
I think it would be good but I cannot see it implemented. It would have huge repercussions financially for a bad team (like the knicks) or just an unlucky team (imagine a season ending injury for doncic for example). The nba is all about money.
The main problem is the contracts. As a FO, if you make a mistake or you're just unlucky with injuries, you get stuck for multiple years.
shinmen wrote:arkrud wrote:There is more simple solution.
2 worst teams go to G-league replaced with 2 best GL teams go to NBA.
This will be a real revolution and will change everything.
Losing will get a whole new meaning.
I think it would be good but I cannot see it implemented. It would have huge repercussions financially for a bad team (like the knicks) or just an unlucky team (imagine a season ending injury for doncic for example). The nba is all about money.
The main problem is the contracts. As a FO, if you make a mistake or you're just unlucky with injuries, you get stuck for multiple years.
Good point, it can help a team reverse its fortunes but also retard another’s progress. In time it would average out but your point that it can delay might not be an intended consequence.
Nalod wrote:shinmen wrote:arkrud wrote:There is more simple solution.
2 worst teams go to G-league replaced with 2 best GL teams go to NBA.
This will be a real revolution and will change everything.
Losing will get a whole new meaning.
I think it would be good but I cannot see it implemented. It would have huge repercussions financially for a bad team (like the knicks) or just an unlucky team (imagine a season ending injury for doncic for example). The nba is all about money.
The main problem is the contracts. As a FO, if you make a mistake or you're just unlucky with injuries, you get stuck for multiple years.
Good point, it can help a team reverse its fortunes but also retard another’s progress. In time it would average out but your point that it can delay might not be an intended consequence.
It is hard to believe that NBA team, even the worst will not win GL conference.
And if this will be the case so it really need to improve before playing with big clubs.
This system working very well in sacker but they have so many teams on various levels so it is a necessity.
Bad teams are missing motivation to fight for better record whatsoever and no lottery system can change this.
Worst place should be punished not rewarded.
arkrud wrote:Nalod wrote:shinmen wrote:arkrud wrote:There is more simple solution.
2 worst teams go to G-league replaced with 2 best GL teams go to NBA.
This will be a real revolution and will change everything.
Losing will get a whole new meaning.
I think it would be good but I cannot see it implemented. It would have huge repercussions financially for a bad team (like the knicks) or just an unlucky team (imagine a season ending injury for doncic for example). The nba is all about money.
The main problem is the contracts. As a FO, if you make a mistake or you're just unlucky with injuries, you get stuck for multiple years.
Good point, it can help a team reverse its fortunes but also retard another’s progress. In time it would average out but your point that it can delay might not be an intended consequence.
It is hard to believe that NBA team, even the worst will not win GL conference.
And if this will be the case so it really need to improve before playing with big clubs.
This system working very well in sacker but they have so many teams on various levels so it is a necessity.
Bad teams are missing motivation to fight for better record whatsoever and no lottery system can change this.
Worst place should be punished not rewarded.
Moving to the GLeague is kind of silly at many levels. First off your them moving up a team or two from the GLeague in its place? They will likely be worse than an expansion team. The economics are also not reasonable either. Since teams now own their Gleague teams they would have two franchises in the NBA? Or worse, two in the Gleague? Its not even worth typing anymore. I like it for Soccer given its structure but NBA, MLB, NFL, NHL it cannot work.
Worst place is punished by reduced revenue in most cases. When Hinkie was doing his teams "process" league was upset because the road games by philly were not selling and teams were upset. Nobody wants to see that shyt show. Knicks still draw on the road but as time goes on the brand is dilutive. We are not typical fans.
Lets just say when Knicks come to Charlotte and they suck its not as much a "Must see" for me as in other years. Hornet games with Knicks have a lot of knick fans in the seats and they are vocal. This year? Not so sure.
I digress. I do think if the teams do some mid season or beginning season tournament the best of the worst should get enhanced odds for the Lottery to some degree. Give teams an incentive to not suck even when they do!! I do think the recent realignment is more fair despite it hurts knicks in this era.
No.
You can't take multiple seasons into account for an annual draft.
Makes no sense.
I always felt like every lottery team should have equal chance at the first pick. Just gives everyone the same odds at every lottery position. You eliminate tanking and force teams to try to make the playoffs because the 14th team has the same chance to win the lottery. Also eliminates golden states current advantage towards a high pick. Each team has the same approach; make the playoffs and if you miss you have a 1 in 14 chance at each lottery position.
Knixkik wrote:I always felt like every lottery team should have equal chance at the first pick. Just gives everyone the same odds at every lottery position. You eliminate tanking and force teams to try to make the playoffs because the 14th team has the same chance to win the lottery. Also eliminates golden states current advantage towards a high pick. Each team has the same approach; make the playoffs and if you miss you have a 1 in 14 chance at each lottery position.
I dont see tanking as a problem. What are bad teams supposed to do to add talent? I do think its Bullshit for the Warriors to get the number 1 pick this year though. I dont see anny option for the Knicks but to keep losing until we hit on a star player. Trade draft failures like Knox for a future pick because we will lose them for nothing anyway no reason to have their salary on the books. Sign all 2nd round picks to low cost 4 year deals because if you hit they are a tremendous asset. If you miss so what the salary doesnt hurt the bottom line.
Panos wrote:I think I've come up with an idea to minimize tanking in the league. The ordering should be based on a rolling 3-year average. That would prevent things like the David Robinson draft and this year's Golden State, and generally disincentivize teams from purposely losing games because they'll leave less of an impact on the draft order.
Hollah back.Also, if GS wins the lottery this year, I'm going to fucking vomit.
I think it has merit. At least the spirit of it, would need to work out some quirks. It borrows from bonus payout structure followed by some companies. (I know of a couple of companies that does a three year average for paying bonuses). It would however introduce more complexity in evaluating draft picks for trades. I think it's still better or at least fairer than the current system or the last one.
Jmpasq wrote:Knixkik wrote:I always felt like every lottery team should have equal chance at the first pick. Just gives everyone the same odds at every lottery position. You eliminate tanking and force teams to try to make the playoffs because the 14th team has the same chance to win the lottery. Also eliminates golden states current advantage towards a high pick. Each team has the same approach; make the playoffs and if you miss you have a 1 in 14 chance at each lottery position.
I dont see tanking as a problem. What are bad teams supposed to do to add talent? I do think its Bullshit for the Warriors to get the number 1 pick this year though. I dont see anny option for the Knicks but to keep losing until we hit on a star player. Trade draft failures like Knox for a future pick because we will lose them for nothing anyway no reason to have their salary on the books. Sign all 2nd round picks to low cost 4 year deals because if you hit they are a tremendous asset. If you miss so what the salary doesnt hurt the bottom line.
If you have the developmental culture in place , you can develop guys like Barrett and Robinson into stars. They have the talent. Guys like Siakam and Giannis didn’t happen overnight. There are very few lebrons and Doncic that become stars without any special work from the team.
Frozen envelopes for anyone not making the playoffs. It's very simple. If you suck, you should get possibly stuck with a sucky prize. Thank you, TripleThreat. Play stupid tanking games, win stupid prizes. Like picking 8th in a three horse draft.
Then provide some sort of incentive for making the playoffs beyond just the extra player money and receipts. Like automatic higher 2nd round picks or some sort of meaningful cap space relief. Make it extremely financially worthwhile to the owners and the GM's to avoid tanking because it will actually cost you something besides putting a shit show product in front of fans.
Might even cut down on "resting" the stars in the league.
