Knicks · Why the Knicks should Stand Pat at the NBA Trade Deadline (page 1)
NBK@ 1/11/2020 4:54 AM
I dont think the Knicks should make any moves at all. Not because we are not stable at all!
Nalod@ 1/11/2020 5:03 AM
Dolan panic moves are usually short sighted. “New regime”? its a great concept but “new” might not be “better”. Change is not improvement. If we look for culture building stability might we allow this regime to gel? Its more than just MIlls we talking about. Perry and the Princeton Cabel (Mills-Robinson-Blatt-Harlow) are not producing post PHil. I can’t say they deserve more time based on merit but on logic? More change is more instability. Works bot ways. I’m not sure one way is better than anther.
TPercy@ 1/11/2020 9:27 AM
I’d like to see us make a small deal for a back up/ stop gap center for the next 2-3 years as Mitch develops like Olynk or Dieng.
BigDaddyG@ 1/11/2020 1:56 PM
I don't want to see a closed door policy. We should always be listening. Each offer brings different positives and negatives that have to be measured. What I don't want to see are moves designed to push us into the playoffs this year that sacrifice our future.
Jmpasq@ 1/15/2020 5:47 AM
TPercy wrote:I’d like to see us make a small deal for a back up/ stop gap center for the next 2-3 years as Mitch develops like Olynk or Dieng.
yeah thats not a bad idea. Also you can't screw that up to much. Need another true center on the roster
TheGame@ 1/15/2020 5:52 AM
The Knicks need to get a backup center who is at least 6'11", they need to trade Marcus Morris for a first rounder if they can and trade Portis for a high second rounder and trade Trier for a high second rounder. Give minutes to Knox, Iggy, and Wooten in the second half of the season and see what it looks like. Hopefully, we get a top 5 pick and can draft a pg to lead this team for the next 10 years.
franco12@ 1/15/2020 8:08 AM
How can we beat Milwaukee? I don't see the talent on the squad today to be a top flight championship caliber franchise.
And I guess part of my response to the above is we should blow it up. Trade everything and everyone until we get that kind of talent that can compete.
But I think we'd be better served standing pat, keeping to the plan the FO seems to have, which is to stay flexible with regards to the cap.
SO- I don't want to ruin draft position like we did when we could have netted Stephen Curry but instead came away with Jordan Hill. But great talent is found in all spots. Think about the Melo trade and how all of these years later, Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari are both still playing, and neither were drafted that high.
I guess it's baby steps. We have to build stability, and start to develop players. Are Knox, Barret, Frank & DSjr part of the long term solution? We'll find out.
knicks1248@ 1/15/2020 8:41 AM
This entire process over the last 6 yrs has been 2 steps forward, 2 steps back. Trade our best player and get back bull sht, draft young low IQ players who will eventually get traded.
Our young players will not be consistent impact players anytime soon and half dozen people will lose their JOBS in the process.
You trade Morris you need to get back someone on his level, preferably a starting pg who's not a one trick pony
arkrud@ 1/15/2020 9:41 AM
knicks1248 wrote:This entire process over the last 6 yrs has been 2 steps forward, 2 steps back. Trade our best player and get back bull sht, draft young low IQ players who will eventually get traded.
Our young players will not be consistent impact players anytime soon and half dozen people will lose their JOBS in the process.
You trade Morris you need to get back someone on his level, preferably a starting pg who's not a one trick pony
The process started at the beginning of last season - 1.5 years back. Phil time was a continuation of same old starpunching. We have prospects/young players in RJ, Rendle, Frank, Mitch, Knox, Iggy, Dot, Zo, some GL dudes. The rest of the roster are temps which can be swapped for more prospects and picks. At this stage we just need to continue building, evaluating, collecting assets. NBA BAU. No more no less.
smackeddog@ 1/15/2020 12:10 PM
do these look like the faces of a front office that’s going to stay pat?:
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Maybe Perry and Mills just need to pull up another HoodieMelo workout vid. At least Jimmie looks sort of like he's thinking about trying to look happy.
knicks1248@ 1/15/2020 1:01 PM
jrodmc wrote:
smackeddog wrote:do these look like the faces of a front office that’s going to stay pat?:
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/KnicksFanTv/status/1217473057931042818
Maybe Perry and Mills just need to pull up another HoodieMelo workout vid. At least Jimmie looks sort of like he's thinking about trying to look happy.
seriously, Perry looks like "how the fck did i get myself into this" i gotta sit here and pretend i like these 2 idiots..
smackeddog@ 1/15/2020 1:40 PM
jrodmc wrote:
smackeddog wrote:do these look like the faces of a front office that’s going to stay pat?:
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/KnicksFanTv/status/1217473057931042818
Maybe Perry and Mills just need to pull up another HoodieMelo workout vid. At least Jimmie looks sort of like he's thinking about trying to look happy.
He’s probably thinking about how good it will be to fire them as soon as the season is over
Rookie@ 1/15/2020 3:24 PM
If I’m the Knicks, I would certainly be kicking the tires on D’Angelo Russell and Willie Cauley-Stein. We certainly have the pieces to make a deal work. If it costs me this years first and expiring contracts like Portis, Payton and Dotson for a floor spacing PG and back up center on reasonable contracts it’s a conversation I’m definitely having. Maybe I’m missing something, but this years draft doesn’t look like a slam dunk with a top 5 pick. This would be the year to trade that pick, balance the roster and start winning. I would certainly consider our pick in exchange for an all star PG a good exchange.
martin@ 1/15/2020 3:57 PM
Rookie wrote:If I’m the Knicks, I would certainly be kicking the tires on D’Angelo Russell and Willie Cauley-Stein. We certainly have the pieces to make a deal work. If it costs me this years first and expiring contracts like Portis, Payton and Dotson for a floor spacing PG and back up center on reasonable contracts it’s a conversation I’m definitely having. Maybe I’m missing something, but this years draft doesn’t look like a slam dunk with a top 5 pick. This would be the year to trade that pick, balance the roster and start winning. I would certainly consider our pick in exchange for an all star PG a good exchange.
Besides the individual stats, what have Russell and WCS done on the last place GSW to warrant trading for them? They aren't winning on their current team.
smackeddog@ 1/15/2020 4:06 PM
martin wrote:
Rookie wrote:If I’m the Knicks, I would certainly be kicking the tires on D’Angelo Russell and Willie Cauley-Stein. We certainly have the pieces to make a deal work. If it costs me this years first and expiring contracts like Portis, Payton and Dotson for a floor spacing PG and back up center on reasonable contracts it’s a conversation I’m definitely having. Maybe I’m missing something, but this years draft doesn’t look like a slam dunk with a top 5 pick. This would be the year to trade that pick, balance the roster and start winning. I would certainly consider our pick in exchange for an all star PG a good exchange.
Besides the individual stats, what have Russell and WCS done on the last place GSW to warrant trading for them? They aren't winning on their current team.
Green has also been exposed this season. I think Russell’s Nets season was a fluke. Man, greens stats: 38% FG and 27.4% from 3, 8.5pts, 5.5assists 6rebounds. Last season wasn’t much better and he has another 4years at over 23mil per
martin@ 1/15/2020 4:10 PM
smackeddog wrote:
martin wrote:
Rookie wrote:If I’m the Knicks, I would certainly be kicking the tires on D’Angelo Russell and Willie Cauley-Stein. We certainly have the pieces to make a deal work. If it costs me this years first and expiring contracts like Portis, Payton and Dotson for a floor spacing PG and back up center on reasonable contracts it’s a conversation I’m definitely having. Maybe I’m missing something, but this years draft doesn’t look like a slam dunk with a top 5 pick. This would be the year to trade that pick, balance the roster and start winning. I would certainly consider our pick in exchange for an all star PG a good exchange.
Besides the individual stats, what have Russell and WCS done on the last place GSW to warrant trading for them? They aren't winning on their current team.
Green has also been exposed this season. I think Russell’s Nets season was a fluke
For me it’s not about getting exposed. His role is enhanced with offensive players around him - dude is a defensive genius and excellent passer. Put him in a role not made for him and he isn’t as good.
It’s like trying to make Randle a playmaker.
smackeddog@ 1/15/2020 4:14 PM
martin wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
martin wrote:
Rookie wrote:If I’m the Knicks, I would certainly be kicking the tires on D’Angelo Russell and Willie Cauley-Stein. We certainly have the pieces to make a deal work. If it costs me this years first and expiring contracts like Portis, Payton and Dotson for a floor spacing PG and back up center on reasonable contracts it’s a conversation I’m definitely having. Maybe I’m missing something, but this years draft doesn’t look like a slam dunk with a top 5 pick. This would be the year to trade that pick, balance the roster and start winning. I would certainly consider our pick in exchange for an all star PG a good exchange.
Besides the individual stats, what have Russell and WCS done on the last place GSW to warrant trading for them? They aren't winning on their current team.
Green has also been exposed this season. I think Russell’s Nets season was a fluke
For me it’s not about getting exposed. His role is enhanced with offensive players around him - dude is a defensive genius and excellent passer. Put him in a role not made for him and he isn’t as good.
It’s like trying to make Randle a playmaker.
I partially agree, but I think he is declining too
knicks1248@ 1/15/2020 4:28 PM
martin wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
martin wrote:
Rookie wrote:If I’m the Knicks, I would certainly be kicking the tires on D’Angelo Russell and Willie Cauley-Stein. We certainly have the pieces to make a deal work. If it costs me this years first and expiring contracts like Portis, Payton and Dotson for a floor spacing PG and back up center on reasonable contracts it’s a conversation I’m definitely having. Maybe I’m missing something, but this years draft doesn’t look like a slam dunk with a top 5 pick. This would be the year to trade that pick, balance the roster and start winning. I would certainly consider our pick in exchange for an all star PG a good exchange.
Besides the individual stats, what have Russell and WCS done on the last place GSW to warrant trading for them? They aren't winning on their current team.
Green has also been exposed this season. I think Russell’s Nets season was a fluke
For me it’s not about getting exposed. His role is enhanced with offensive players around him - dude is a defensive genius and excellent passer. Put him in a role not made for him and he isn’t as good.
It’s like trying to make Randle a playmaker.
well that's the same for russel, as far as roles and fit, you can say that about half the players on the knicks current roster..
Kanter was a turnstile on defense in NY, but he's been solid every where else..portland and boston
At least Jimmie looks sort of like he's thinking about trying to look happy.