knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:I don't think a good PG fixes everything... I think this team needs high end talent the most. Hopefully some of the yoots develop into that but hat's what needs to be aggressively pursued
They badly need high end guards. In a league that demands good guard play, we are built thru the front court with no shooters or dribble penetration.
We have never had a real All star PG(at least since strickland and mark), and it's a damn shame. We have had all stars at every position (C, PF, SF, SG) and I felt like we had enough assets to land one in the last 2 drafts, and i would have over paid to do it.
I can't recall the last time any PG drafted in the top 7 turned out to be a bust other than Mudiay
2009--harden, curry, Rubio
2010- Wall
2011- Kyrie
2012- Lillard
2013- olapido-combo guard
2014- role player draft
2015- D russell..mudiay
2016- K Dunn, jamal murry
2017- Fultz, Fox, Ball.......same yr as frank and dsj
2018- trey
2019- Ja
So just in the last 10 yrs we have missed out on a lot of really good pg's, a position that rarely ever produces a draft bust in the top 7
we missed out? We were not able to draft that high remember? This is the part of your "build a winning culture" mantra and riding guys like Morris to 30ish win season desperate to get better. You miss the player you have listed above because they all go early in the draft when you picking 7-12
We should have just drafted Lebron. Dumb Knicks!
fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:I don't think a good PG fixes everything... I think this team needs high end talent the most. Hopefully some of the yoots develop into that but hat's what needs to be aggressively pursued
They badly need high end guards. In a league that demands good guard play, we are built thru the front court with no shooters or dribble penetration.
We have never had a real All star PG(at least since strickland and mark), and it's a damn shame. We have had all stars at every position (C, PF, SF, SG) and I felt like we had enough assets to land one in the last 2 drafts, and i would have over paid to do it.
I can't recall the last time any PG drafted in the top 7 turned out to be a bust other than Mudiay
2009--harden, curry, Rubio
2010- Wall
2011- Kyrie
2012- Lillard
2013- olapido-combo guard
2014- role player draft
2015- D russell..mudiay
2016- K Dunn, jamal murry
2017- Fultz, Fox, Ball.......same yr as frank and dsj
2018- trey
2019- Ja
So just in the last 10 yrs we have missed out on a lot of really good pg's, a position that rarely ever produces a draft bust in the top 7
we missed out? We were not able to draft that high remember? This is the part of your "build a winning culture" mantra and riding guys like Morris to 30ish win season desperate to get better. You miss the player you have listed above because they all go early in the draft when you picking 7-12We should have just drafted Lebron. Dumb Knicks!
I know, why would i ever think it was possible to move up in a draft, that's unheard of.
The fact that Atl and Dallas made deals on draft night was ground breaking stuff..
knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:I don't think a good PG fixes everything... I think this team needs high end talent the most. Hopefully some of the yoots develop into that but hat's what needs to be aggressively pursued
They badly need high end guards. In a league that demands good guard play, we are built thru the front court with no shooters or dribble penetration.
We have never had a real All star PG(at least since strickland and mark), and it's a damn shame. We have had all stars at every position (C, PF, SF, SG) and I felt like we had enough assets to land one in the last 2 drafts, and i would have over paid to do it.
I can't recall the last time any PG drafted in the top 7 turned out to be a bust other than Mudiay
2009--harden, curry, Rubio
2010- Wall
2011- Kyrie
2012- Lillard
2013- olapido-combo guard
2014- role player draft
2015- D russell..mudiay
2016- K Dunn, jamal murry
2017- Fultz, Fox, Ball.......same yr as frank and dsj
2018- trey
2019- Ja
So just in the last 10 yrs we have missed out on a lot of really good pg's, a position that rarely ever produces a draft bust in the top 7
we missed out? We were not able to draft that high remember? This is the part of your "build a winning culture" mantra and riding guys like Morris to 30ish win season desperate to get better. You miss the player you have listed above because they all go early in the draft when you picking 7-12We should have just drafted Lebron. Dumb Knicks!
I know, why would i ever think it was possible to move up in a draft, that's unheard of.
The fact that Atl and Dallas made deals on draft night was ground breaking stuff..
what are we going to give up, considering you want to toss the keys to Morris
knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:I don't think a good PG fixes everything... I think this team needs high end talent the most. Hopefully some of the yoots develop into that but hat's what needs to be aggressively pursued
They badly need high end guards. In a league that demands good guard play, we are built thru the front court with no shooters or dribble penetration.
We have never had a real All star PG(at least since strickland and mark), and it's a damn shame. We have had all stars at every position (C, PF, SF, SG) and I felt like we had enough assets to land one in the last 2 drafts, and i would have over paid to do it.
I can't recall the last time any PG drafted in the top 7 turned out to be a bust other than Mudiay
2009--harden, curry, Rubio
2010- Wall
2011- Kyrie
2012- Lillard
2013- olapido-combo guard
2014- role player draft
2015- D russell..mudiay
2016- K Dunn, jamal murry
2017- Fultz, Fox, Ball.......same yr as frank and dsj
2018- trey
2019- Ja
So just in the last 10 yrs we have missed out on a lot of really good pg's, a position that rarely ever produces a draft bust in the top 7
we missed out? We were not able to draft that high remember? This is the part of your "build a winning culture" mantra and riding guys like Morris to 30ish win season desperate to get better. You miss the player you have listed above because they all go early in the draft when you picking 7-12We should have just drafted Lebron. Dumb Knicks!
I know, why would i ever think it was possible to move up in a draft, that's unheard of.
The fact that Atl and Dallas made deals on draft night was ground breaking stuff..
are you really this dumb? Sometimes teams swap spots because they one star better than another. Dal and Atlanta drafted Young and Doncic after their trade. Those were the players they swapped. Nobody is trading a draft pick for Doncic or Young so they can draft 2 or 3 Kevin Knoxes.
This could be a breakthrough moment for you... 1248 preaches that losing is bad and team should try to win games and get better because 30 wins is better than 17. Then realizes after 10 years of that team always drafts too late to get franchising changing talent... hmmmmmm
so holy crap... the Knicks drafted Kenny Walker with 5th pick in 1986. Since then, their top 7 picks of the draft: Gallo at #6 in 2008, KP at #4 in 2015 and RJ in at #3 in 2019.
That fucking Curry trade is what really did the Knicks in.
martin wrote:so holy crap... the Knicks drafted Kenny Walker with 5th pick in 1986. Since then, their top 7 picks of the draft: Gallo at #6 in 2008, KP at #4 in 2015 and RJ in at #3 in 2019.That fucking Curry trade is what really did the Knicks in.
Ah yes. Fucking popcorn man killing the Knicks.
EDIT:
Just saw this. Warning. Very depressing read.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1934...
SupremeCommander wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:I don't think a good PG fixes everything... I think this team needs high end talent the most. Hopefully some of the yoots develop into that but hat's what needs to be aggressively pursued
They badly need high end guards. In a league that demands good guard play, we are built thru the front court with no shooters or dribble penetration.
We have never had a real All star PG(at least since strickland and mark), and it's a damn shame. We have had all stars at every position (C, PF, SF, SG) and I felt like we had enough assets to land one in the last 2 drafts, and i would have over paid to do it.
I can't recall the last time any PG drafted in the top 7 turned out to be a bust other than Mudiay
2009--harden, curry, Rubio
2010- Wall
2011- Kyrie
2012- Lillard
2013- olapido-combo guard
2014- role player draft
2015- D russell..mudiay
2016- K Dunn, jamal murry
2017- Fultz, Fox, Ball.......same yr as frank and dsj
2018- trey
2019- Ja
So just in the last 10 yrs we have missed out on a lot of really good pg's, a position that rarely ever produces a draft bust in the top 7
we missed out? We were not able to draft that high remember? This is the part of your "build a winning culture" mantra and riding guys like Morris to 30ish win season desperate to get better. You miss the player you have listed above because they all go early in the draft when you picking 7-12We should have just drafted Lebron. Dumb Knicks!
I know, why would i ever think it was possible to move up in a draft, that's unheard of.
The fact that Atl and Dallas made deals on draft night was ground breaking stuff..
what are we going to give up, considering you want to toss the keys to Morris
What ever it takes, because we are going no where with our current crop of PG's.
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:I don't think a good PG fixes everything... I think this team needs high end talent the most. Hopefully some of the yoots develop into that but hat's what needs to be aggressively pursued
They badly need high end guards. In a league that demands good guard play, we are built thru the front court with no shooters or dribble penetration.
Tyrese Halliburton 
Agreed...If we don't get one of the top 2 picks, I would look into trading back to grab Halliburton. Love his size at the point, about 6'5, long arms, engaged defender, great vision (He and Ball are probably the best passers of the top pg prospects), doesn't turn the ball over, makes winning plays and can knock down the open jumper.
Uptown wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:I don't think a good PG fixes everything... I think this team needs high end talent the most. Hopefully some of the yoots develop into that but hat's what needs to be aggressively pursued
They badly need high end guards. In a league that demands good guard play, we are built thru the front court with no shooters or dribble penetration.
Tyrese Halliburton
Agreed...If we don't get one of the top 2 picks, I would look into trading back to grab Halliburton. Love his size at the point, about 6'5, long arms, engaged defender, great vision (He and Ball are probably the best passers of the top pg prospects), doesn't turn the ball over, makes winning plays and can knock down the open jumper.
If we don't get a top pick, I would love to acquire as many assets as possible.
martin wrote:so holy crap... the Knicks drafted Kenny Walker with 5th pick in 1986. Since then, their top 7 picks of the draft: Gallo at #6 in 2008, KP at #4 in 2015 and RJ in at #3 in 2019.That fucking Curry trade is what really did the Knicks in.
Hi Martin, I'm curious as to what specifically your "holy crap" refers to? The total number of picks the Knicks got in the top 7 or their performance in using them?
I'm curious also why you used top 7 as the cutoff in your post. It's there a particular significance to that number?
And I agree that that Curry trade was the worst in at least 30 years of Knicks history.
Uptown wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:I don't think a good PG fixes everything... I think this team needs high end talent the most. Hopefully some of the yoots develop into that but hat's what needs to be aggressively pursued
They badly need high end guards. In a league that demands good guard play, we are built thru the front court with no shooters or dribble penetration.
Tyrese Halliburton
Agreed...If we don't get one of the top 2 picks, I would look into trading back to grab Halliburton. Love his size at the point, about 6'5, long arms, engaged defender, great vision (He and Ball are probably the best passers of the top pg prospects), doesn't turn the ball over, makes winning plays and can knock down the open jumper.
We wouldn't trade back. ESPN has him at 4 right now. He's probably going to go in the 3-7 range when it's all said and done.
This year we have some draft capital to work a deal with the future Dallas picks. If we end up with a top six pick, we should be able to move up and get the pg we want. There are three that look like upgrades over what we have - Ball, Anthony, and that Halliburton kid all look like upgrades.
NYKBocker wrote:martin wrote:so holy crap... the Knicks drafted Kenny Walker with 5th pick in 1986. Since then, their top 7 picks of the draft: Gallo at #6 in 2008, KP at #4 in 2015 and RJ in at #3 in 2019.That fucking Curry trade is what really did the Knicks in.
Ah yes. Fucking popcorn man killing the Knicks.
EDIT:
Just saw this. Warning. Very depressing read.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1934...
OMG, it's been pathetic, we can't draft to save our lives..
were better off trading our picks if this is the BS we're going to do with them
knicks1248 wrote:NYKBocker wrote:martin wrote:so holy crap... the Knicks drafted Kenny Walker with 5th pick in 1986. Since then, their top 7 picks of the draft: Gallo at #6 in 2008, KP at #4 in 2015 and RJ in at #3 in 2019.That fucking Curry trade is what really did the Knicks in.
Ah yes. Fucking popcorn man killing the Knicks.
EDIT:
Just saw this. Warning. Very depressing read.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1934...
OMG, it's been pathetic, we can't draft to save our lives..
were better off trading our picks if this is the BS we're going to do with them
Isiah Thomas said exactly the same thing! I can see great minds think alike
knicks1248 wrote:NYKBocker wrote:martin wrote:so holy crap... the Knicks drafted Kenny Walker with 5th pick in 1986. Since then, their top 7 picks of the draft: Gallo at #6 in 2008, KP at #4 in 2015 and RJ in at #3 in 2019.That fucking Curry trade is what really did the Knicks in.
Ah yes. Fucking popcorn man killing the Knicks.
EDIT:
Just saw this. Warning. Very depressing read.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1934...
OMG, it's been pathetic, we can't draft to save our lives..
were better off trading our picks if this is the BS we're going to do with them
I don't know what you are reading. The whole article is about how the Knicks traded their picks for players and how they COULD have drafted if they kept those picks
You are in bizaro world
fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:NYKBocker wrote:martin wrote:so holy crap... the Knicks drafted Kenny Walker with 5th pick in 1986. Since then, their top 7 picks of the draft: Gallo at #6 in 2008, KP at #4 in 2015 and RJ in at #3 in 2019.That fucking Curry trade is what really did the Knicks in.
Ah yes. Fucking popcorn man killing the Knicks.
EDIT:
Just saw this. Warning. Very depressing read.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1934...
OMG, it's been pathetic, we can't draft to save our lives..
were better off trading our picks if this is the BS we're going to do with them
Isiah Thomas said exactly the same thing! I can see great minds think alike
This is coming from a guy who said Rose and Bledsoe suck, and would rather have frank
the same guy who said KP was a lock to resign
knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:NYKBocker wrote:martin wrote:so holy crap... the Knicks drafted Kenny Walker with 5th pick in 1986. Since then, their top 7 picks of the draft: Gallo at #6 in 2008, KP at #4 in 2015 and RJ in at #3 in 2019.That fucking Curry trade is what really did the Knicks in.
Ah yes. Fucking popcorn man killing the Knicks.
EDIT:
Just saw this. Warning. Very depressing read.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1934...
OMG, it's been pathetic, we can't draft to save our lives..
were better off trading our picks if this is the BS we're going to do with them
Isiah Thomas said exactly the same thing! I can see great minds think alike
This is coming from a guy who said Rose and Bledsoe suck, and would rather have frank
the same guy who said KP was a lock to resign
Rose does suck. KP did resign, just not with us, and I suspect you dont even know what team Bledsoe plays for, even with google
Panos wrote:martin wrote:so holy crap... the Knicks drafted Kenny Walker with 5th pick in 1986. Since then, their top 7 picks of the draft: Gallo at #6 in 2008, KP at #4 in 2015 and RJ in at #3 in 2019.That fucking Curry trade is what really did the Knicks in.
Hi Martin, I'm curious as to what specifically your "holy crap" refers to? The total number of picks the Knicks got in the top 7 or their performance in using them?
I'm curious also why you used top 7 as the cutoff in your post. It's there a particular significance to that number?
And I agree that that Curry trade was the worst in at least 30 years of Knicks history.
The Rainman said:
I can't recall the last time any PG drafted in the top 7 turned out to be a bust other than Mudiay
What ever it takes" is the mystical all easy to type but reality not many teams trade down unless they are enriched but you have to actually have desirable assets to do what Knicks1248 suggests. ATL basically used the Dallas pick and some other to nab Deandre Hunter in last.
Drunk Uncle statements are easy. "Well, we should have just.........Yeah, done what ever it takes!!!" ATL
martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:NYKBocker wrote:martin wrote:so holy crap... the Knicks drafted Kenny Walker with 5th pick in 1986. Since then, their top 7 picks of the draft: Gallo at #6 in 2008, KP at #4 in 2015 and RJ in at #3 in 2019.That fucking Curry trade is what really did the Knicks in.
Ah yes. Fucking popcorn man killing the Knicks.
EDIT:
Just saw this. Warning. Very depressing read.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1934...
OMG, it's been pathetic, we can't draft to save our lives..
were better off trading our picks if this is the BS we're going to do with them
I don't know what you are reading. The whole article is about how the Knicks traded their picks for players and how they COULD have drafted if they kept those picks
You are in bizaro world
DiD You really dummied down the article to justify your arrogant response..lol, your funny
look at the list, how many of the PG's i have listed are on the team that drafted them, even the guys we could have drafted are not on the same team.
The bizaro world you live in won't recognize that, or maybe you refuse to, thats denial.
There's a very small chance of you winning a fckng lottery, any lottery.
My point is that the knicks are not good when it comes to the draft, and they are not good with developing draft picks
knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:NYKBocker wrote:martin wrote:so holy crap... the Knicks drafted Kenny Walker with 5th pick in 1986. Since then, their top 7 picks of the draft: Gallo at #6 in 2008, KP at #4 in 2015 and RJ in at #3 in 2019.That fucking Curry trade is what really did the Knicks in.
Ah yes. Fucking popcorn man killing the Knicks.
EDIT:
Just saw this. Warning. Very depressing read.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1934...
OMG, it's been pathetic, we can't draft to save our lives..
were better off trading our picks if this is the BS we're going to do with them
I don't know what you are reading. The whole article is about how the Knicks traded their picks for players and how they COULD have drafted if they kept those picks
You are in bizaro world
DiD You really dummied down the article to justify your arrogant response..lol, your funny
look at the list, how many of the PG's i have listed are on the team that drafted them, even the guys we could have drafted are not on the same team.
The bizaro world you live in won't recognize that, or maybe you refuse to, thats denial.
There's a very small chance of you winning a fckng lottery, any lottery.
My point is that the knicks are not good when it comes to the draft, and they are not good with developing draft picks
Maybe Martin's point is you are not good at posting or making sense, which is a valid point.
You thought Trey Burke was a star and then doubled down on that claim AFTER Phili signed him because they are a title contender
You are fun!
fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:NYKBocker wrote:martin wrote:so holy crap... the Knicks drafted Kenny Walker with 5th pick in 1986. Since then, their top 7 picks of the draft: Gallo at #6 in 2008, KP at #4 in 2015 and RJ in at #3 in 2019.That fucking Curry trade is what really did the Knicks in.
Ah yes. Fucking popcorn man killing the Knicks.
EDIT:
Just saw this. Warning. Very depressing read.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1934...
OMG, it's been pathetic, we can't draft to save our lives..
were better off trading our picks if this is the BS we're going to do with them
Isiah Thomas said exactly the same thing! I can see great minds think alike
This is coming from a guy who said Rose and Bledsoe suck, and would rather have frank
the same guy who said KP was a lock to resign
Rose does suck. KP did resign, just not with us, and I suspect you dont even know what team Bledsoe plays for, even with google
Rose is 4th among guards in the all star voting(google it if you know how)
Your favorite boy frank has 4 total votes, one from you, his mother, his brother, and mills..lol
