Knicks · Yes it’s early but here’s the 2020 NBA draft thread. (page 19)

BigDaddyG @ 5/1/2020 6:26 PM

Footage of LaMelo scrimmaging. He looks smooth as a playmaker. Defense is a bout as lax as you'd expect. Jumper looked suspect.
CrushAlot @ 5/1/2020 8:35 PM
BRIGGS @ 5/1/2020 10:18 PM
CrushAlot wrote:

That’s too bad. It would’ve been nice for the fans to look forward to something

wargames @ 5/2/2020 3:19 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

That’s too bad. It would’ve been nice for the fans to look forward to something

They are stalling holding out hope they can still have a season. If by June 1st they aren't prepping for a specific date I think they'll call the season.

BRIGGS @ 5/2/2020 8:01 AM
Picks. May 2 2020

1-3 James Wiseman
7-8 Saddiq Bey
26-27 Payton Pritchard
38 bpa. Very high on Jalen smith if no wiseman

Allanfan20 @ 5/2/2020 2:25 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Picks. May 2 2020

1-3 James Wiseman
7-8 Saddiq Bey
26-27 Payton Pritchard
38 bpa. Very high on Jalen smith if no wiseman

I’d have Ball, Hayes and Haliburton higher than Bey right now. I do like Bey though.

Knickfury11 @ 5/2/2020 2:55 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Picks. May 2 2020

1-3 James Wiseman
7-8 Saddiq Bey
26-27 Payton Pritchard
38 bpa. Very high on Jalen smith if no wiseman

I’d have Ball, Hayes and Haliburton higher than Bey right now. I do like Bey though.

Both good view points. Personally as Per below:-

1-3 Edward / Wiseman
7-8 Nesmith/ Cole
26-27 Lewis jr / Maxey
38 Jalen smith / Stanley

BRIGGS @ 5/2/2020 3:06 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Picks. May 2 2020

1-3 James Wiseman
7-8 Saddiq Bey
26-27 Payton Pritchard
38 bpa. Very high on Jalen smith if no wiseman

I’d have Ball, Hayes and Haliburton higher than Bey right now. I do like Bey though.

Bey fits in. Great great defensive player who will interchange with Barrett. I just don’t see us trying to develop another pg. bey can play today. Let lewis or Pritchard be at pick 26/27

BRIGGS @ 5/2/2020 3:08 PM
Knickfury11 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Picks. May 2 2020

1-3 James Wiseman
7-8 Saddiq Bey
26-27 Payton Pritchard
38 bpa. Very high on Jalen smith if no wiseman

I’d have Ball, Hayes and Haliburton higher than Bey right now. I do like Bey though.

Both good view points. Personally as Per below:-

1-3 Edward / Wiseman
7-8 Nesmith/ Cole
26-27 Lewis jr / Maxey
38 Jalen smith / Stanley

I agree with you on Stanley it’s all how it shakes out on top. If we get wiseman I’d be willing to use another pick plus Knox to try and get bey. I’m ok with perceived teaching for bey. I’m sure teams regret not reaching on players many times

wargames @ 5/3/2020 12:32 AM

Haliburton played a great game. I really hope we can draft this kid. Him and frank in the back court will give teams fits..... Plus his shot might not be pretty but jeez can he shoot that 3 ball.

Haliburton: 23 points, 11 rebounds, 9 assists
Lewis: 8 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds

BigDaddyG @ 5/3/2020 1:18 AM
wargames wrote:

Haliburton played a great game. I really hope we can draft this kid. Him and frank in the back court will give teams fits..... Plus his shot might not be pretty but jeez can he shoot that 3 ball.

Haliburton: 23 points, 11 rebounds, 9 assists
Lewis: 8 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds


You can tell from the clips Hal is a better decision maker and is more disruptive on D. That said, it seemed as if he was allergic to the paint. Whether he finished with a pass or floater, it seemed like there was an invisible field keeping him from the lane. Kira looked bad this game, but it was encouraging to see him still attacking the paint. I think there's a good chance Hal is there when we're up to pick. I still wouldn't mind trading down for Kira and picking up more assets. Also Lewis definitely seems more like the Perry's type
wargames @ 5/3/2020 2:37 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
wargames wrote:

Haliburton played a great game. I really hope we can draft this kid. Him and frank in the back court will give teams fits..... Plus his shot might not be pretty but jeez can he shoot that 3 ball.

Haliburton: 23 points, 11 rebounds, 9 assists
Lewis: 8 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds


You can tell from the clips Hal is a better decision maker and is more disruptive on D. That said, it seemed as if he was allergic to the paint. Whether he finished with a pass or floater, it seemed like there was an invisible field keeping him from the lane. Kira looked bad this game, but it was encouraging to see him still attacking the paint. I think there's a good chance Hal is there when we're up to pick. I still wouldn't mind trading down for Kira and picking up more assets. Also Lewis definitely seems more like the Perry's type

He's not the type to drive to score, he's not fast enough or strong enough yet. He has a good dribble attack and between that and strength I think he'll be able to sooner than later. He does seem to emphasize looking to pass to a big.

When it comes to Kira most mocks have him around 27 or not even in the first round. Also I really don't think the knicks need to trade down. I think they have assets to trade up. 27 and that 1-10 protected 2023 Mavs pick could probably get up in into the late teens.

smackeddog @ 5/3/2020 3:29 AM
wargames wrote:

Haliburton played a great game. I really hope we can draft this kid. Him and frank in the back court will give teams fits..... Plus his shot might not be pretty but jeez can he shoot that 3 ball.

Haliburton: 23 points, 11 rebounds, 9 assists
Lewis: 8 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds

What I like about Haliburton is that he's the opposite of the kind of player we usually draft. We usually go for inefficient scorers, who are poor defenders and aren't particularly good at anything. Haliburton seems efficient and pretty good at everything.

Knickfury11 @ 5/3/2020 7:39 AM
smackeddog wrote:
wargames wrote:

Haliburton played a great game. I really hope we can draft this kid. Him and frank in the back court will give teams fits..... Plus his shot might not be pretty but jeez can he shoot that 3 ball.

Haliburton: 23 points, 11 rebounds, 9 assists
Lewis: 8 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds

What I like about Haliburton is that he's the opposite of the kind of player we usually draft. We usually go for inefficient scorers, who are poor defenders and aren't particularly good at anything. Haliburton seems efficient and pretty good at everything.

All things being equal- who do you take Haliburton or Ball? Bearing in mind immediate effect and long term view? I’m inclined to go Haliburton. Looks quicker laterally and superior defensively.

smackeddog @ 5/3/2020 11:57 AM
Knickfury11 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
wargames wrote:

Haliburton played a great game. I really hope we can draft this kid. Him and frank in the back court will give teams fits..... Plus his shot might not be pretty but jeez can he shoot that 3 ball.

Haliburton: 23 points, 11 rebounds, 9 assists
Lewis: 8 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds

What I like about Haliburton is that he's the opposite of the kind of player we usually draft. We usually go for inefficient scorers, who are poor defenders and aren't particularly good at anything. Haliburton seems efficient and pretty good at everything.

All things being equal- who do you take Haliburton or Ball? Bearing in mind immediate effect and long term view? I’m inclined to go Haliburton. Looks quicker laterally and superior defensively.

Though his stats aren't good, Ball just seems to have the 'it' factor when you watch him, like Tatum had in that draft. Haliburton reminds me of a SGA type, or even Brandon Clarke (in the sense all his advanced stats were great but teams worried too much about what position he'd fit)- worked out very well for the Griz

ccinflushing @ 5/3/2020 4:23 PM
Does anyone have an opinion on Patrick Williams from Florida State - he's the kind of prospect I like. Don't think he got to show all he could do with that team - as a freshman he played his role pretty well, but I get a SGA feel from him.

I'm a fan of Killian Tillie at #38.

Allanfan20 @ 5/3/2020 7:10 PM
If you have time for a long video, this is definitely worth a look:
BigDaddyG @ 5/3/2020 10:23 PM
smackeddog wrote:
Knickfury11 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
wargames wrote:

Haliburton played a great game. I really hope we can draft this kid. Him and frank in the back court will give teams fits..... Plus his shot might not be pretty but jeez can he shoot that 3 ball.

Haliburton: 23 points, 11 rebounds, 9 assists
Lewis: 8 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds

What I like about Haliburton is that he's the opposite of the kind of player we usually draft. We usually go for inefficient scorers, who are poor defenders and aren't particularly good at anything. Haliburton seems efficient and pretty good at everything.

All things being equal- who do you take Haliburton or Ball? Bearing in mind immediate effect and long term view? I’m inclined to go Haliburton. Looks quicker laterally and superior defensively.

Though his stats aren't good, Ball just seems to have the 'it' factor when you watch him, like Tatum had in that draft. Haliburton reminds me of a SGA type, or even Brandon Clarke (in the sense all his advanced stats were great but teams worried too much about what position he'd fit)- worked out very well for the Griz


I agree. The "it" is the ability to get his shot of under almost any situation. Also, he's not afraid of attacking the paint and has better vision. He can be an engine. Hal's cerebral game does remind me a bit of Brogdan, that's why I hesitate to say he can't be more than a starter. I think Lonzo, who is also still developing, is the best comp I can think of now. Their draft year college stats are pretty close.
Uptown @ 5/4/2020 12:10 PM
wargames wrote:

Haliburton played a great game. I really hope we can draft this kid. Him and frank in the back court will give teams fits..... Plus his shot might not be pretty but jeez can he shoot that 3 ball.

Haliburton: 23 points, 11 rebounds, 9 assists
Lewis: 8 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds

Love Haliburtons size, and decision making. Good spot up shooter as well. A backcourt of Haliburton and Frank will work in spurts, but on the offensive end, neither of them put much pressure on the defense. Haliburton will excel playing along side spot up shooters and scoring slashers.

wargames @ 5/4/2020 12:29 PM
Uptown wrote:
wargames wrote:

Haliburton played a great game. I really hope we can draft this kid. Him and frank in the back court will give teams fits..... Plus his shot might not be pretty but jeez can he shoot that 3 ball.

Haliburton: 23 points, 11 rebounds, 9 assists
Lewis: 8 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds

Love Haliburtons size, and decision making. Good spot up shooter as well. A backcourt of Haliburton and Frank will work in spurts, but on the offensive end, neither of them put much pressure on the defense. Haliburton will excel playing along side spot up shooters and scoring slashers.

RJ is a scoring slasher/downhill SG and can shoot the three when his feet are set

Mitch is a PnR big

I legit think the plan is to get Wood for his outside shot at PF

We would have a hole at SF maybe we keep Bullock for that or draft someone with that Clips pick. 2021 has a great SF draft class so we could hopefully pick that player then, or go for a FA Small Forward

You get a HC like Thibs and I like their odds as they mature.

smackeddog @ 5/4/2020 1:26 PM
wargames wrote:
Uptown wrote:
wargames wrote:

Haliburton played a great game. I really hope we can draft this kid. Him and frank in the back court will give teams fits..... Plus his shot might not be pretty but jeez can he shoot that 3 ball.

Haliburton: 23 points, 11 rebounds, 9 assists
Lewis: 8 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds

Love Haliburtons size, and decision making. Good spot up shooter as well. A backcourt of Haliburton and Frank will work in spurts, but on the offensive end, neither of them put much pressure on the defense. Haliburton will excel playing along side spot up shooters and scoring slashers.

RJ is a scoring slasher/downhill SG and can shoot the three when his feet are set

Mitch is a PnR big

I legit think the plan is to get Wood for his outside shot at PF

We would have a hole at SF maybe we keep Bullock for that or draft someone with that Clips pick. 2021 has a great SF draft class so we could hopefully pick that player then, or go for a FA Small Forward

You get a HC like Thibs and I like their odds as they mature.

You could go for:

PG- sign VanFleet
SG- Haliburton
SF- RJ

C- Mitch

or, My personal favorite (and I know I keep saying this!), sign Joe Harris and Davis Bertans and sort out our three point shooting woes, once and for all. It gives you two elite three point shooters (the opportunity to do this is in one offseason is very rare), which really helps out our young players development- whatever PG we draft can pass to them and RJ finally gets spacing. Joe Harris can play SG and SF, and Betrans can play SF and PF. So you could go:

PG- Haliburton
SG- RJ/ Harris
SF- Harris/RJ
PF- Bertans
C- Mitch

In fact that would be a nice lineup for any PG we draft- Cole Anthony, Tyrese Maxey (two great penetrators who'd benefit from the spacing) or even Hayes.

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