Knicks · Reason# 4987876897397 to not like Dennis Smith Jr (page 2)
CrushAlot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:So far there are some similarities. Hiring a guy that has no experience in the job he will be doing. Possibly putting an msg lifer in place as second in command. Possibly choosing a coach because you have a relationship with him and not because he is the most qualified. Houston getting the gm job and Thibs getting the coaching job would be business as usual for the Knicks. Right now Houston and Thibs are just rumored to be getting those positions. Berman also said Houst had already been promoted so maybe there is nothing to it. I don’t think it’s a stretch to worry that it will be business as usual. Let’s hope this time things are different.BigDaddyG wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:franco12 wrote:I don't see how DSjr can be on our roster next year. Trade him or release him.We should be able to get a second rounder for him. Build up the cupboard anyway possible.
How many 2nd rounders are better than DSJ..not many, and despite his down falls (had 7 steals last night), he's still better than frank.
DSJ needs better leadership around him, and he needs to be around players who take winning serious.
I blame the franchise for most of the reason our young guys are below avg players and super inconsistent.
We have no system, the young players have no role (other than Payton and Randle) has had 3 coaches(Rick, fizdale, miller), and he has played with about 28 different players in the last 12 months, and not to mention family death, and minor injuries.
can't single out DSJ when the entire young crop looks like trash on most nights
Frank had 14 points (4-of-5 from 3-point range), six rebounds, four assists, four steals and three blocks against the Mavericks. Plus, we actually won that game. No need to cherry pick stats to crap on Frank. They've both been disappointments. I hope DSJ balls out the rest of the season, but let's not sugar coat things. The effort night to night has not come close to his athletic potential. Even when Marbury was having bad nights, you could tell he still had that eff it mentality. It might have led to some horrid shooting nights, but he wanted to win. Now, DSJ wasn't close to the prospect Marbury was. Marbury made Drew Barry look like a pro prospect at Georgia Tech. That's how much of a force he was in his lone season in college. DSJ wasn't that type of player at NC State.Dude that was almost 2 months ago...lol, he has a solid game one or twice a month, and i only single out frank because they are both PG.
I hope you can at least agree that the development is just about non existent over the last 10 yrs..
Marbury is born and raised in Coney Island, DSJ is from slow ass North Carolina, and frank isn't even from this country, mentalities are completely different.
Michael Jordan is from NC and Kobe grew up in Italy. I wouldn't link a player's mentality to where he grew up. The development hasn't been as good as I would liked. You're right, the front office, coaching staff etc. resets every other year and it hasn't been conducive to development. I think we're going to see the same thing with the next regime, but I'm hoping I'm wrong.Are you kidding me?
The same thing that Phil and mills were doing?
Bad to sub par Drafting
Demanding your coaches run the triangle
Over paying for role players
Signing the wrong role players
Building unbalance rosters
Hiring in experience coaches
Having a roster full of mediocre young players that can't shoot
Having a roster full of mediocre vets that do the same thing
Building zero relationship with the players (especially your best players)
Rebooting your roster every 6 month
Barely every using your own g league affiliate
Changing coaches every 14 months
Bad trades.
forced trades
waiving every other player who wants out.The last 6 yrs were worse then the Layden and Thomas era combined.
A coach that has had NBA success is what we haven't had since MDA, and did people shut him down when he flopped in NY and LA.
Thibs has and Identity coming in, and the roster has a whole lot of flexibility to bring in players that fit his style.
Thibs system turned Rose into a MVP, so you never know what it can do for DSJ
knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:So far there are some similarities. Hiring a guy that has no experience in the job he will be doing. Possibly putting an msg lifer in place as second in command. Possibly choosing a coach because you have a relationship with him and not because he is the most qualified. Houston getting the gm job and Thibs getting the coaching job would be business as usual for the Knicks. Right now Houston and Thibs are just rumored to be getting those positions. Berman also said Houst had already been promoted so maybe there is nothing to it. I don’t think it’s a stretch to worry that it will be business as usual. Let’s hope this time things are different.BigDaddyG wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:franco12 wrote:I don't see how DSjr can be on our roster next year. Trade him or release him.We should be able to get a second rounder for him. Build up the cupboard anyway possible.
How many 2nd rounders are better than DSJ..not many, and despite his down falls (had 7 steals last night), he's still better than frank.
DSJ needs better leadership around him, and he needs to be around players who take winning serious.
I blame the franchise for most of the reason our young guys are below avg players and super inconsistent.
We have no system, the young players have no role (other than Payton and Randle) has had 3 coaches(Rick, fizdale, miller), and he has played with about 28 different players in the last 12 months, and not to mention family death, and minor injuries.
can't single out DSJ when the entire young crop looks like trash on most nights
Frank had 14 points (4-of-5 from 3-point range), six rebounds, four assists, four steals and three blocks against the Mavericks. Plus, we actually won that game. No need to cherry pick stats to crap on Frank. They've both been disappointments. I hope DSJ balls out the rest of the season, but let's not sugar coat things. The effort night to night has not come close to his athletic potential. Even when Marbury was having bad nights, you could tell he still had that eff it mentality. It might have led to some horrid shooting nights, but he wanted to win. Now, DSJ wasn't close to the prospect Marbury was. Marbury made Drew Barry look like a pro prospect at Georgia Tech. That's how much of a force he was in his lone season in college. DSJ wasn't that type of player at NC State.Dude that was almost 2 months ago...lol, he has a solid game one or twice a month, and i only single out frank because they are both PG.
I hope you can at least agree that the development is just about non existent over the last 10 yrs..
Marbury is born and raised in Coney Island, DSJ is from slow ass North Carolina, and frank isn't even from this country, mentalities are completely different.
Michael Jordan is from NC and Kobe grew up in Italy. I wouldn't link a player's mentality to where he grew up. The development hasn't been as good as I would liked. You're right, the front office, coaching staff etc. resets every other year and it hasn't been conducive to development. I think we're going to see the same thing with the next regime, but I'm hoping I'm wrong.Are you kidding me?
The same thing that Phil and mills were doing?
Bad to sub par Drafting
Demanding your coaches run the triangle
Over paying for role players
Signing the wrong role players
Building unbalance rosters
Hiring in experience coaches
Having a roster full of mediocre young players that can't shoot
Having a roster full of mediocre vets that do the same thing
Building zero relationship with the players (especially your best players)
Rebooting your roster every 6 month
Barely every using your own g league affiliate
Changing coaches every 14 months
Bad trades.
forced trades
waiving every other player who wants out.The last 6 yrs were worse then the Layden and Thomas era combined.
A coach that has had NBA success is what we haven't had since MDA, and did people shut him down when he flopped in NY and LA.
Thibs has and Identity coming in, and the roster has a whole lot of flexibility to bring in players that fit his style.
Thibs system turned Rose into a MVP, so you never know what it can do for DSJ
Did you just compare Derrick Rose and DSJ? You can argue that Rose now, bad knees and all, is still more athletic than DSJ.
Knicks have Smith jr under contract for another year. If he can finish the season strong, we'll have a good asset to either keep or trade. Need to see a lot more consistency for me to want to see Smith jr stay.
BigDaddyG wrote:knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:So far there are some similarities. Hiring a guy that has no experience in the job he will be doing. Possibly putting an msg lifer in place as second in command. Possibly choosing a coach because you have a relationship with him and not because he is the most qualified. Houston getting the gm job and Thibs getting the coaching job would be business as usual for the Knicks. Right now Houston and Thibs are just rumored to be getting those positions. Berman also said Houst had already been promoted so maybe there is nothing to it. I don’t think it’s a stretch to worry that it will be business as usual. Let’s hope this time things are different.BigDaddyG wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:franco12 wrote:I don't see how DSjr can be on our roster next year. Trade him or release him.We should be able to get a second rounder for him. Build up the cupboard anyway possible.
How many 2nd rounders are better than DSJ..not many, and despite his down falls (had 7 steals last night), he's still better than frank.
DSJ needs better leadership around him, and he needs to be around players who take winning serious.
I blame the franchise for most of the reason our young guys are below avg players and super inconsistent.
We have no system, the young players have no role (other than Payton and Randle) has had 3 coaches(Rick, fizdale, miller), and he has played with about 28 different players in the last 12 months, and not to mention family death, and minor injuries.
can't single out DSJ when the entire young crop looks like trash on most nights
Frank had 14 points (4-of-5 from 3-point range), six rebounds, four assists, four steals and three blocks against the Mavericks. Plus, we actually won that game. No need to cherry pick stats to crap on Frank. They've both been disappointments. I hope DSJ balls out the rest of the season, but let's not sugar coat things. The effort night to night has not come close to his athletic potential. Even when Marbury was having bad nights, you could tell he still had that eff it mentality. It might have led to some horrid shooting nights, but he wanted to win. Now, DSJ wasn't close to the prospect Marbury was. Marbury made Drew Barry look like a pro prospect at Georgia Tech. That's how much of a force he was in his lone season in college. DSJ wasn't that type of player at NC State.Dude that was almost 2 months ago...lol, he has a solid game one or twice a month, and i only single out frank because they are both PG.
I hope you can at least agree that the development is just about non existent over the last 10 yrs..
Marbury is born and raised in Coney Island, DSJ is from slow ass North Carolina, and frank isn't even from this country, mentalities are completely different.
Michael Jordan is from NC and Kobe grew up in Italy. I wouldn't link a player's mentality to where he grew up. The development hasn't been as good as I would liked. You're right, the front office, coaching staff etc. resets every other year and it hasn't been conducive to development. I think we're going to see the same thing with the next regime, but I'm hoping I'm wrong.Are you kidding me?
The same thing that Phil and mills were doing?
Bad to sub par Drafting
Demanding your coaches run the triangle
Over paying for role players
Signing the wrong role players
Building unbalance rosters
Hiring in experience coaches
Having a roster full of mediocre young players that can't shoot
Having a roster full of mediocre vets that do the same thing
Building zero relationship with the players (especially your best players)
Rebooting your roster every 6 month
Barely every using your own g league affiliate
Changing coaches every 14 months
Bad trades.
forced trades
waiving every other player who wants out.The last 6 yrs were worse then the Layden and Thomas era combined.
A coach that has had NBA success is what we haven't had since MDA, and did people shut him down when he flopped in NY and LA.
Thibs has and Identity coming in, and the roster has a whole lot of flexibility to bring in players that fit his style.
Thibs system turned Rose into a MVP, so you never know what it can do for DSJ
Did you just compare Derrick Rose and DSJ? You can argue that Rose now, bad knees and all, is still more athletic than DSJ.
No i did not compare the 2. I'm saying Thibs was able to level up D rose to MVP status in his system, and im sure he can help DSJ (maybe not MVP) but a much better player than he is now.
knicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:franco12 wrote:I don't see how DSjr can be on our roster next year. Trade him or release him.We should be able to get a second rounder for him. Build up the cupboard anyway possible.
How many 2nd rounders are better than DSJ..not many, and despite his down falls (had 7 steals last night), he's still better than frank.
DSJ needs better leadership around him, and he needs to be around players who take winning serious.
I blame the franchise for most of the reason our young guys are below avg players and super inconsistent.
We have no system, the young players have no role (other than Payton and Randle) has had 3 coaches(Rick, fizdale, miller), and he has played with about 28 different players in the last 12 months, and not to mention family death, and minor injuries.
can't single out DSJ when the entire young crop looks like trash on most nights
Frank had 14 points (4-of-5 from 3-point range), six rebounds, four assists, four steals and three blocks against the Mavericks. Plus, we actually won that game. No need to cherry pick stats to crap on Frank. They've both been disappointments. I hope DSJ balls out the rest of the season, but let's not sugar coat things. The effort night to night has not come close to his athletic potential. Even when Marbury was having bad nights, you could tell he still had that eff it mentality. It might have led to some horrid shooting nights, but he wanted to win. Now, DSJ wasn't close to the prospect Marbury was. Marbury made Drew Barry look like a pro prospect at Georgia Tech. That's how much of a force he was in his lone season in college. DSJ wasn't that type of player at NC State.Dude that was almost 2 months ago...lol, he has a solid game one or twice a month, and i only single out frank because they are both PG.
I hope you can at least agree that the development is just about non existent over the last 10 yrs..
Marbury is born and raised in Coney Island, DSJ is from slow ass North Carolina, and frank isn't even from this country, mentalities are completely different.
You have demonstrated a new level of ignorance with this one.
Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:franco12 wrote:I don't see how DSjr can be on our roster next year. Trade him or release him.We should be able to get a second rounder for him. Build up the cupboard anyway possible.
How many 2nd rounders are better than DSJ..not many, and despite his down falls (had 7 steals last night), he's still better than frank.
DSJ needs better leadership around him, and he needs to be around players who take winning serious.
I blame the franchise for most of the reason our young guys are below avg players and super inconsistent.
We have no system, the young players have no role (other than Payton and Randle) has had 3 coaches(Rick, fizdale, miller), and he has played with about 28 different players in the last 12 months, and not to mention family death, and minor injuries.
can't single out DSJ when the entire young crop looks like trash on most nights
Frank had 14 points (4-of-5 from 3-point range), six rebounds, four assists, four steals and three blocks against the Mavericks. Plus, we actually won that game. No need to cherry pick stats to crap on Frank. They've both been disappointments. I hope DSJ balls out the rest of the season, but let's not sugar coat things. The effort night to night has not come close to his athletic potential. Even when Marbury was having bad nights, you could tell he still had that eff it mentality. It might have led to some horrid shooting nights, but he wanted to win. Now, DSJ wasn't close to the prospect Marbury was. Marbury made Drew Barry look like a pro prospect at Georgia Tech. That's how much of a force he was in his lone season in college. DSJ wasn't that type of player at NC State.Dude that was almost 2 months ago...lol, he has a solid game one or twice a month, and i only single out frank because they are both PG.
I hope you can at least agree that the development is just about non existent over the last 10 yrs..
Marbury is born and raised in Coney Island, DSJ is from slow ass North Carolina, and frank isn't even from this country, mentalities are completely different.
You have demonstrated a new level of ignorance with this one.
sorry dude, you hold the crown in the ignorance dept by far
knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:franco12 wrote:I don't see how DSjr can be on our roster next year. Trade him or release him.We should be able to get a second rounder for him. Build up the cupboard anyway possible.
How many 2nd rounders are better than DSJ..not many, and despite his down falls (had 7 steals last night), he's still better than frank.
DSJ needs better leadership around him, and he needs to be around players who take winning serious.
I blame the franchise for most of the reason our young guys are below avg players and super inconsistent.
We have no system, the young players have no role (other than Payton and Randle) has had 3 coaches(Rick, fizdale, miller), and he has played with about 28 different players in the last 12 months, and not to mention family death, and minor injuries.
can't single out DSJ when the entire young crop looks like trash on most nights
With Smith's style of play, i'd rather just find a future role player. Smith isn't going to be a star playmaker and doesn't strike me as someone who can ever fill a particular role. He's best chance is to become a 6th man/poor man's D Rose type. But I don't see him as a winner or a professional who can be a solid addition to a good culture. With Frank at least there's role player potential and solid intangibles of a winning player. I'd rather find some of those types of players.
knicks1248 wrote:Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:franco12 wrote:I don't see how DSjr can be on our roster next year. Trade him or release him.We should be able to get a second rounder for him. Build up the cupboard anyway possible.
How many 2nd rounders are better than DSJ..not many, and despite his down falls (had 7 steals last night), he's still better than frank.
DSJ needs better leadership around him, and he needs to be around players who take winning serious.
I blame the franchise for most of the reason our young guys are below avg players and super inconsistent.
We have no system, the young players have no role (other than Payton and Randle) has had 3 coaches(Rick, fizdale, miller), and he has played with about 28 different players in the last 12 months, and not to mention family death, and minor injuries.
can't single out DSJ when the entire young crop looks like trash on most nights
Frank had 14 points (4-of-5 from 3-point range), six rebounds, four assists, four steals and three blocks against the Mavericks. Plus, we actually won that game. No need to cherry pick stats to crap on Frank. They've both been disappointments. I hope DSJ balls out the rest of the season, but let's not sugar coat things. The effort night to night has not come close to his athletic potential. Even when Marbury was having bad nights, you could tell he still had that eff it mentality. It might have led to some horrid shooting nights, but he wanted to win. Now, DSJ wasn't close to the prospect Marbury was. Marbury made Drew Barry look like a pro prospect at Georgia Tech. That's how much of a force he was in his lone season in college. DSJ wasn't that type of player at NC State.Dude that was almost 2 months ago...lol, he has a solid game one or twice a month, and i only single out frank because they are both PG.
I hope you can at least agree that the development is just about non existent over the last 10 yrs..
Marbury is born and raised in Coney Island, DSJ is from slow ass North Carolina, and frank isn't even from this country, mentalities are completely different.
You have demonstrated a new level of ignorance with this one.
sorry dude, you hold the crown in the ignorance dept by far
Awesome!
fishmike wrote:Sambakick wrote:His skills are one thing. His body language is another thing. I won't say he isn't skilled at hooping. But he kinda reminds me of a marbury-type. Remember when Steph wrote "All Alone" on his kicks? I think Dennis Smith is cut from the same cloth as Marbury. Not batshit crazy no. Actually comes across OK on his interviews. But when i watch him on th ebasketball court i don't see a guy who has a "mamba mentality" or even cares that much about wins. I see a guy who is happy if he plays well. And I don't see a guy who really wants to win games that it kills him to lose. Maybe i'm guilty of looking too closely for flaws, but there's just something i don't like about him as a 5-on-5 NBA player. I get the feeling he is about his stats and looking good mainly. Which... everyone cares about to some degree true.... but he just has this vibe to him i don't fully love. Comparatively I love love love Payton's vibe. Love what he did to Jae. And i love Frankie's quiet determination. I don't like anything about DSJ's vibe.man this is exactly where I am. I root for the kid but there are so many SMH moments...
The Jackals have returned. With the kid finally getting a start he puts up 15 pts. 5 Assists, 7 Rebounds and 7 STEALS. Stats that, if Frank would have posted, many on here would have used to replace their Viagra for the next three months. But being the "TRUE" Knicks fans your bringing up how Harden fouled him by throwing him to the ground and you did not like how he reacted? Timeless. GTHOH!
At the risk of sounding like I hate Frank.(Which happens every time I post reality/Stats) He has hit 13 out of his last 50 3pt shots over the last 21 game span. He has posted 5 or less points, with a couple of zero point games 7 out of his last 13 games, shooting 36% from the field in that span. Despite all the claims he is getting better he is on path to replicate his first two years. As for how awful Smith is. Yes he has had a terrible year. But let's not forget what you two seem to have amnesia about. Smith averaged close to 14.5 and 5 with Dallas. He comes here gets hurt, loses his step mom. Also heard Clyde mention that the Knicks had worked with Smith to be more of a half court PG and to slow down and run the offense. Seems questionable to slow down an explosive PG but okay guess its to give our best player (Randle) the ball down low. We know how much everyone agrees with giving Rnadle the ball. Clyde Also appropriately mentioned how hard that must be. Still, Smith has had a bad year. Players have to perform in this business regardless of the challenges. But yeah, he finally has his best game of the year and the jackals jump all over him for not reacting a certain way when he is thrown to the floor and ignore any potential his 2 prior years showed. Seems fair. And people wonder why this city can't develop anyone and why unicorns decide to leave.
HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:Sambakick wrote:His skills are one thing. His body language is another thing. I won't say he isn't skilled at hooping. But he kinda reminds me of a marbury-type. Remember when Steph wrote "All Alone" on his kicks? I think Dennis Smith is cut from the same cloth as Marbury. Not batshit crazy no. Actually comes across OK on his interviews. But when i watch him on th ebasketball court i don't see a guy who has a "mamba mentality" or even cares that much about wins. I see a guy who is happy if he plays well. And I don't see a guy who really wants to win games that it kills him to lose. Maybe i'm guilty of looking too closely for flaws, but there's just something i don't like about him as a 5-on-5 NBA player. I get the feeling he is about his stats and looking good mainly. Which... everyone cares about to some degree true.... but he just has this vibe to him i don't fully love. Comparatively I love love love Payton's vibe. Love what he did to Jae. And i love Frankie's quiet determination. I don't like anything about DSJ's vibe.man this is exactly where I am. I root for the kid but there are so many SMH moments...The Jackals have returned. With the kid finally getting a start he puts up 15 pts. 5 Assists, 7 Rebounds and 7 STEALS. Stats that, if Frank would have posted, many on here would have used to replace their Viagra for the next three months. But being the "TRUE" Knicks fans your bringing up how Harden fouled him by throwing him to the ground and you did not like how he reacted? Timeless. GTHOH!
At the risk of sounding like I hate Frank.(Which happens every time I post reality/Stats) He has hit 13 out of his last 50 3pt shots over the last 21 game span. He has posted 5 or less points, with a couple of zero point games 7 out of his last 13 games, shooting 36% from the field in that span. Despite all the claims he is getting better he is on path to replicate his first two years. As for how awful Smith is. Yes he has had a terrible year. But let's not forget what you two seem to have amnesia about. Smith averaged close to 14.5 and 5 with Dallas. He comes here gets hurt, loses his step mom. Also heard Clyde mention that the Knicks had worked with Smith to be more of a half court PG and to slow down and run the offense. Seems questionable to slow down an explosive PG but okay guess its to give our best player (Randle) the ball down low. We know how much everyone agrees with giving Rnadle the ball. Clyde Also appropriately mentioned how hard that must be. Still, Smith has had a bad year. Players have to perform in this business regardless of the challenges. But yeah, he finally has his best game of the year and the jackals jump all over him for not reacting a certain way when he is thrown to the floor and ignore any potential his 2 prior years showed. Seems fair. And people wonder why this city can't develop anyone and why unicorns decide to leave.
this story line is tiresome.
Frank for all his faults plays winning basketball and is team-first.
DSJ sulks if he doesn't get his shots and for most of his knicks career has sucked
I root for him because he's a Knick. I don't like his attitude or his game -- even if he continues to put up stats. I can't think of a single player on this team who benefits from DSJ's game which is supposed to be a pg's primary goal
HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:Sambakick wrote:His skills are one thing. His body language is another thing. I won't say he isn't skilled at hooping. But he kinda reminds me of a marbury-type. Remember when Steph wrote "All Alone" on his kicks? I think Dennis Smith is cut from the same cloth as Marbury. Not batshit crazy no. Actually comes across OK on his interviews. But when i watch him on th ebasketball court i don't see a guy who has a "mamba mentality" or even cares that much about wins. I see a guy who is happy if he plays well. And I don't see a guy who really wants to win games that it kills him to lose. Maybe i'm guilty of looking too closely for flaws, but there's just something i don't like about him as a 5-on-5 NBA player. I get the feeling he is about his stats and looking good mainly. Which... everyone cares about to some degree true.... but he just has this vibe to him i don't fully love. Comparatively I love love love Payton's vibe. Love what he did to Jae. And i love Frankie's quiet determination. I don't like anything about DSJ's vibe.man this is exactly where I am. I root for the kid but there are so many SMH moments...The Jackals have returned. With the kid finally getting a start he puts up 15 pts. 5 Assists, 7 Rebounds and 7 STEALS. Stats that, if Frank would have posted, many on here would have used to replace their Viagra for the next three months. But being the "TRUE" Knicks fans your bringing up how Harden fouled him by throwing him to the ground and you did not like how he reacted? Timeless. GTHOH!
At the risk of sounding like I hate Frank.(Which happens every time I post reality/Stats) He has hit 13 out of his last 50 3pt shots over the last 21 game span. He has posted 5 or less points, with a couple of zero point games 7 out of his last 13 games, shooting 36% from the field in that span. Despite all the claims he is getting better he is on path to replicate his first two years. As for how awful Smith is. Yes he has had a terrible year. But let's not forget what you two seem to have amnesia about. Smith averaged close to 14.5 and 5 with Dallas. He comes here gets hurt, loses his step mom. Also heard Clyde mention that the Knicks had worked with Smith to be more of a half court PG and to slow down and run the offense. Seems questionable to slow down an explosive PG but okay guess its to give our best player (Randle) the ball down low. We know how much everyone agrees with giving Rnadle the ball. Clyde Also appropriately mentioned how hard that must be. Still, Smith has had a bad year. Players have to perform in this business regardless of the challenges. But yeah, he finally has his best game of the year and the jackals jump all over him for not reacting a certain way when he is thrown to the floor and ignore any potential his 2 prior years showed. Seems fair. And people wonder why this city can't develop anyone and why unicorns decide to leave.
You make a good point. Not sure there exists as much divisiveness with the "Frank Vs Dennis" thing. I'll chime in, because Frank excels on defense which helps his +- its a tangible asset. He is often on the floor making things happen. That is an endearing quality in a shytty season.
At the same time this "demonizing" as to make it easier to divorce ourselves from him if need be is childish. Fact is this kid has elite qualities and legitimate reasons why his potential is still valid. He is mindphuched by constant coaching changes and rebuild his shot. I'd say he was out of shape due to his oblique injury. To flat out write him off is a fans prerogative but I doubt any team would flat out put him in scrap heap. As for For Frank, the stats are remarkable to his rookie year. What does the eye test tell you? more penetration? More touches? Some good games and some bad shooting games. when shooting is off does he contribute in other ways? Against Indy he looked bad in the first half, then had a great second. Does a player sulk and become hesitant? I see Dennis kind of going thru a "Mudiay" type evolution. Took a few years and he now on a better team with a better coach but the journey thru the knicks was key to him. Dennis has performed at the NBA level but largely on instinct. He is now being asked to think and that takes time for him to turn that back into instinct at the high level. Frank is near opposite. When he is actively pursuing buckets a whole different look for him. Why can' the do it all game? Is the coach dictating this or is he not focused/aggressive/etc?
Physically Dennis is NBA ready. Frank is still under developed.
Nalod would actually like to see them BOTH start with RJ on the wing. Bring Payton off the bench. Not as punishment or to reward Dennis/Frank, but because there is a future to think about.
Chandler wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:Sambakick wrote:His skills are one thing. His body language is another thing. I won't say he isn't skilled at hooping. But he kinda reminds me of a marbury-type. Remember when Steph wrote "All Alone" on his kicks? I think Dennis Smith is cut from the same cloth as Marbury. Not batshit crazy no. Actually comes across OK on his interviews. But when i watch him on th ebasketball court i don't see a guy who has a "mamba mentality" or even cares that much about wins. I see a guy who is happy if he plays well. And I don't see a guy who really wants to win games that it kills him to lose. Maybe i'm guilty of looking too closely for flaws, but there's just something i don't like about him as a 5-on-5 NBA player. I get the feeling he is about his stats and looking good mainly. Which... everyone cares about to some degree true.... but he just has this vibe to him i don't fully love. Comparatively I love love love Payton's vibe. Love what he did to Jae. And i love Frankie's quiet determination. I don't like anything about DSJ's vibe.man this is exactly where I am. I root for the kid but there are so many SMH moments...The Jackals have returned. With the kid finally getting a start he puts up 15 pts. 5 Assists, 7 Rebounds and 7 STEALS. Stats that, if Frank would have posted, many on here would have used to replace their Viagra for the next three months. But being the "TRUE" Knicks fans your bringing up how Harden fouled him by throwing him to the ground and you did not like how he reacted? Timeless. GTHOH!
At the risk of sounding like I hate Frank.(Which happens every time I post reality/Stats) He has hit 13 out of his last 50 3pt shots over the last 21 game span. He has posted 5 or less points, with a couple of zero point games 7 out of his last 13 games, shooting 36% from the field in that span. Despite all the claims he is getting better he is on path to replicate his first two years. As for how awful Smith is. Yes he has had a terrible year. But let's not forget what you two seem to have amnesia about. Smith averaged close to 14.5 and 5 with Dallas. He comes here gets hurt, loses his step mom. Also heard Clyde mention that the Knicks had worked with Smith to be more of a half court PG and to slow down and run the offense. Seems questionable to slow down an explosive PG but okay guess its to give our best player (Randle) the ball down low. We know how much everyone agrees with giving Rnadle the ball. Clyde Also appropriately mentioned how hard that must be. Still, Smith has had a bad year. Players have to perform in this business regardless of the challenges. But yeah, he finally has his best game of the year and the jackals jump all over him for not reacting a certain way when he is thrown to the floor and ignore any potential his 2 prior years showed. Seems fair. And people wonder why this city can't develop anyone and why unicorns decide to leave.
this story line is tiresome.
Frank for all his faults plays winning basketball and is team-first.
DSJ sulks if he doesn't get his shots and for most of his knicks career has sucked
I root for him because he's a Knick. I don't like his attitude or his game -- even if he continues to put up stats. I can't think of a single player on this team who benefits from DSJ's game which is supposed to be a pg's primary goal
Opinions are fair game. Respect it. Understand the lunch pail admiration for Frank. Like it myself. What I don't understand is the hate for a kid that is 22 and has this type of potential. In terms of what is winning basketball, I disagree with your opinion of what is more helpful to winning in TODAYS NBA. Mine is that a guy like DSJR is a guy that will benefit more, if developed, then a guy like Frank. If this was the 70's, 80's and 90's I would agree. Also feel the Smith will go on to be a high level player somewhere else. And unfortunately, I think Frank will be just another good role player aka Ron Baker, Jeremy Lin, Jared Jeffries. The kind of guys Knick fans love but prove to not be very good in today's NBA.
HofstraBBall wrote:Chandler wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:Sambakick wrote:His skills are one thing. His body language is another thing. I won't say he isn't skilled at hooping. But he kinda reminds me of a marbury-type. Remember when Steph wrote "All Alone" on his kicks? I think Dennis Smith is cut from the same cloth as Marbury. Not batshit crazy no. Actually comes across OK on his interviews. But when i watch him on th ebasketball court i don't see a guy who has a "mamba mentality" or even cares that much about wins. I see a guy who is happy if he plays well. And I don't see a guy who really wants to win games that it kills him to lose. Maybe i'm guilty of looking too closely for flaws, but there's just something i don't like about him as a 5-on-5 NBA player. I get the feeling he is about his stats and looking good mainly. Which... everyone cares about to some degree true.... but he just has this vibe to him i don't fully love. Comparatively I love love love Payton's vibe. Love what he did to Jae. And i love Frankie's quiet determination. I don't like anything about DSJ's vibe.man this is exactly where I am. I root for the kid but there are so many SMH moments...The Jackals have returned. With the kid finally getting a start he puts up 15 pts. 5 Assists, 7 Rebounds and 7 STEALS. Stats that, if Frank would have posted, many on here would have used to replace their Viagra for the next three months. But being the "TRUE" Knicks fans your bringing up how Harden fouled him by throwing him to the ground and you did not like how he reacted? Timeless. GTHOH!
At the risk of sounding like I hate Frank.(Which happens every time I post reality/Stats) He has hit 13 out of his last 50 3pt shots over the last 21 game span. He has posted 5 or less points, with a couple of zero point games 7 out of his last 13 games, shooting 36% from the field in that span. Despite all the claims he is getting better he is on path to replicate his first two years. As for how awful Smith is. Yes he has had a terrible year. But let's not forget what you two seem to have amnesia about. Smith averaged close to 14.5 and 5 with Dallas. He comes here gets hurt, loses his step mom. Also heard Clyde mention that the Knicks had worked with Smith to be more of a half court PG and to slow down and run the offense. Seems questionable to slow down an explosive PG but okay guess its to give our best player (Randle) the ball down low. We know how much everyone agrees with giving Rnadle the ball. Clyde Also appropriately mentioned how hard that must be. Still, Smith has had a bad year. Players have to perform in this business regardless of the challenges. But yeah, he finally has his best game of the year and the jackals jump all over him for not reacting a certain way when he is thrown to the floor and ignore any potential his 2 prior years showed. Seems fair. And people wonder why this city can't develop anyone and why unicorns decide to leave.
this story line is tiresome.
Frank for all his faults plays winning basketball and is team-first.
DSJ sulks if he doesn't get his shots and for most of his knicks career has sucked
I root for him because he's a Knick. I don't like his attitude or his game -- even if he continues to put up stats. I can't think of a single player on this team who benefits from DSJ's game which is supposed to be a pg's primary goal
Opinions are fair game. Respect it. Understand the lunch pail admiration for Frank. Like it myself. What I don't understand is the hate for a kid that is 22 and has this type of potential. In terms of what is winning basketball, I disagree with your opinion of what is more helpful to winning in TODAYS NBA. Mine is that a guy like DSJR is a guy that will benefit more, if developed, then a guy like Frank. If this was the 70's, 80's and 90's I would agree. Also feel the Smith will go on to be a high level player somewhere else. And unfortunately, I think Frank will be just another good role player aka Ron Baker, Jeremy Lin, Jared Jeffries. The kind of guys Knick fans love but prove to not be very good in today's NBA.
Its why you need both. Granted im talking about A frank that improves his shooting and Dennis who gets his stroke back and perhaps his head right.
Frank need not be a star to succeed. Glue team first defensive guy. AND Dennis Smith get his inner Baron Davis going!!!
knicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:So far there are some similarities. Hiring a guy that has no experience in the job he will be doing. Possibly putting an msg lifer in place as second in command. Possibly choosing a coach because you have a relationship with him and not because he is the most qualified. Houston getting the gm job and Thibs getting the coaching job would be business as usual for the Knicks. Right now Houston and Thibs are just rumored to be getting those positions. Berman also said Houst had already been promoted so maybe there is nothing to it. I don’t think it’s a stretch to worry that it will be business as usual. Let’s hope this time things are different.BigDaddyG wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:franco12 wrote:I don't see how DSjr can be on our roster next year. Trade him or release him.We should be able to get a second rounder for him. Build up the cupboard anyway possible.
How many 2nd rounders are better than DSJ..not many, and despite his down falls (had 7 steals last night), he's still better than frank.
DSJ needs better leadership around him, and he needs to be around players who take winning serious.
I blame the franchise for most of the reason our young guys are below avg players and super inconsistent.
We have no system, the young players have no role (other than Payton and Randle) has had 3 coaches(Rick, fizdale, miller), and he has played with about 28 different players in the last 12 months, and not to mention family death, and minor injuries.
can't single out DSJ when the entire young crop looks like trash on most nights
Frank had 14 points (4-of-5 from 3-point range), six rebounds, four assists, four steals and three blocks against the Mavericks. Plus, we actually won that game. No need to cherry pick stats to crap on Frank. They've both been disappointments. I hope DSJ balls out the rest of the season, but let's not sugar coat things. The effort night to night has not come close to his athletic potential. Even when Marbury was having bad nights, you could tell he still had that eff it mentality. It might have led to some horrid shooting nights, but he wanted to win. Now, DSJ wasn't close to the prospect Marbury was. Marbury made Drew Barry look like a pro prospect at Georgia Tech. That's how much of a force he was in his lone season in college. DSJ wasn't that type of player at NC State.Dude that was almost 2 months ago...lol, he has a solid game one or twice a month, and i only single out frank because they are both PG.
I hope you can at least agree that the development is just about non existent over the last 10 yrs..
Marbury is born and raised in Coney Island, DSJ is from slow ass North Carolina, and frank isn't even from this country, mentalities are completely different.
Michael Jordan is from NC and Kobe grew up in Italy. I wouldn't link a player's mentality to where he grew up. The development hasn't been as good as I would liked. You're right, the front office, coaching staff etc. resets every other year and it hasn't been conducive to development. I think we're going to see the same thing with the next regime, but I'm hoping I'm wrong.Are you kidding me?
The same thing that Phil and mills were doing?
Bad to sub par Drafting
Demanding your coaches run the triangle
Over paying for role players
Signing the wrong role players
Building unbalance rosters
Hiring in experience coaches
Having a roster full of mediocre young players that can't shoot
Having a roster full of mediocre vets that do the same thing
Building zero relationship with the players (especially your best players)
Rebooting your roster every 6 month
Barely every using your own g league affiliate
Changing coaches every 14 months
Bad trades.
forced trades
waiving every other player who wants out.The last 6 yrs were worse then the Layden and Thomas era combined.
A coach that has had NBA success is what we haven't had since MDA, and did people shut him down when he flopped in NY and LA.
Thibs has and Identity coming in, and the roster has a whole lot of flexibility to bring in players that fit his style.
Thibs system turned Rose into a MVP, so you never know what it can do for DSJ
Did you just compare Derrick Rose and DSJ? You can argue that Rose now, bad knees and all, is still more athletic than DSJ.No i did not compare the 2. I'm saying Thibs was able to level up D rose to MVP status in his system, and im sure he can help DSJ (maybe not MVP) but a much better player than he is now.
I hope your right. Only a player as talented as Rose could survive in that Bulls system. A lot of iso and the benefit of having a center who passed like a guard. It was ugly. The Minnesota system seemed more fluid.
Nalod wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:Sambakick wrote:His skills are one thing. His body language is another thing. I won't say he isn't skilled at hooping. But he kinda reminds me of a marbury-type. Remember when Steph wrote "All Alone" on his kicks? I think Dennis Smith is cut from the same cloth as Marbury. Not batshit crazy no. Actually comes across OK on his interviews. But when i watch him on th ebasketball court i don't see a guy who has a "mamba mentality" or even cares that much about wins. I see a guy who is happy if he plays well. And I don't see a guy who really wants to win games that it kills him to lose. Maybe i'm guilty of looking too closely for flaws, but there's just something i don't like about him as a 5-on-5 NBA player. I get the feeling he is about his stats and looking good mainly. Which... everyone cares about to some degree true.... but he just has this vibe to him i don't fully love. Comparatively I love love love Payton's vibe. Love what he did to Jae. And i love Frankie's quiet determination. I don't like anything about DSJ's vibe.man this is exactly where I am. I root for the kid but there are so many SMH moments...The Jackals have returned. With the kid finally getting a start he puts up 15 pts. 5 Assists, 7 Rebounds and 7 STEALS. Stats that, if Frank would have posted, many on here would have used to replace their Viagra for the next three months. But being the "TRUE" Knicks fans your bringing up how Harden fouled him by throwing him to the ground and you did not like how he reacted? Timeless. GTHOH!
At the risk of sounding like I hate Frank.(Which happens every time I post reality/Stats) He has hit 13 out of his last 50 3pt shots over the last 21 game span. He has posted 5 or less points, with a couple of zero point games 7 out of his last 13 games, shooting 36% from the field in that span. Despite all the claims he is getting better he is on path to replicate his first two years. As for how awful Smith is. Yes he has had a terrible year. But let's not forget what you two seem to have amnesia about. Smith averaged close to 14.5 and 5 with Dallas. He comes here gets hurt, loses his step mom. Also heard Clyde mention that the Knicks had worked with Smith to be more of a half court PG and to slow down and run the offense. Seems questionable to slow down an explosive PG but okay guess its to give our best player (Randle) the ball down low. We know how much everyone agrees with giving Rnadle the ball. Clyde Also appropriately mentioned how hard that must be. Still, Smith has had a bad year. Players have to perform in this business regardless of the challenges. But yeah, he finally has his best game of the year and the jackals jump all over him for not reacting a certain way when he is thrown to the floor and ignore any potential his 2 prior years showed. Seems fair. And people wonder why this city can't develop anyone and why unicorns decide to leave.
You make a good point. Not sure there exists as much divisiveness with the "Frank Vs Dennis" thing. I'll chime in, because Frank excels on defense which helps his +- its a tangible asset. He is often on the floor making things happen. That is an endearing quality in a shytty season.
At the same time this "demonizing" as to make it easier to divorce ourselves from him if need be is childish. Fact is this kid has elite qualities and legitimate reasons why his potential is still valid. He is mindphuched by constant coaching changes and rebuild his shot. I'd say he was out of shape due to his oblique injury. To flat out write him off is a fans prerogative but I doubt any team would flat out put him in scrap heap. As for For Frank, the stats are remarkable to his rookie year. What does the eye test tell you? more penetration? More touches? Some good games and some bad shooting games. when shooting is off does he contribute in other ways? Against Indy he looked bad in the first half, then had a great second. Does a player sulk and become hesitant? I see Dennis kind of going thru a "Mudiay" type evolution. Took a few years and he now on a better team with a better coach but the journey thru the knicks was key to him. Dennis has performed at the NBA level but largely on instinct. He is now being asked to think and that takes time for him to turn that back into instinct at the high level. Frank is near opposite. When he is actively pursuing buckets a whole different look for him. Why can' the do it all game? Is the coach dictating this or is he not focused/aggressive/etc?
Physically Dennis is NBA ready. Frank is still under developed.
Nalod would actually like to see them BOTH start with RJ on the wing. Bring Payton off the bench. Not as punishment or to reward Dennis/Frank, but because there is a future to think about.
Agree. Funny thing is that it not about Smith for me. Think he has many holes is his game. His shot being the biggest. Do think its more about confidence than mechanics. But sometimes those two are synonymous.
Does not have much to do about Frank either. Only use Frank point out the double standard as he is always forgiven for any shortcomings. As I feel should be the case for ALL young kids. I Think Frank is a good player and can develop into a good NBA defensive role player. Maybe a better shooting version of Andre Roberson. Only use Frank to point out the, as you correctly put it, "Demonizing" of certain players.
Feel we have guys that are good, show potential and can improve. Would love to see Frank, Smith, Knox, Trier, Mitch, RJ all develop. Just never a fan of putting players down and focusing on negatives. Also not a fan of the favoritism and ease in which some like to pile on certain players because they don't fit their perception of how they want them to play. Have said it before, Smith never had a chance. Going against fans golden boy for minutes and tied to memories of losing our unicorn.
But skills alone doesn't work in the NBA. He's clearly missing something or distracted. Some days, he looks like he belongs in the G league. Other days, he looks like a player with potential.
Deciding between him and Frank is tough to me, because they are so different. Personally, I would rather have Frank because Frank can play 3 positions and he doesn't come with an ego. DSJ comes with entitlement. He doesn't like coming off the bench and prefer to be a starter. His basketball IQ seems to be lower than Frank, from a team perspective. But in a play ground, rucker park for example, DSJ would be my easy choice. For an NBA team? I don't fee comfortable with DSJ running the show. His stock has hit rock bottom.
blkexec wrote:Well....I wanted DSJ on draft day. I remember talking to people that say him play in person, and they was in shock at his athletism. I thought he would be a 1 player high light type, similar to D.Rose…..But skills alone doesn't work in the NBA. He's clearly missing something or distracted. Some days, he looks like he belongs in the G league. Other days, he looks like a player with potential.
Deciding between him and Frank is tough to me, because they are so different. Personally, I would rather have Frank because Frank can play 3 positions and he doesn't come with an ego. DSJ comes with entitlement. He doesn't like coming off the bench and prefer to be a starter. His basketball IQ seems to be lower than Frank, from a team perspective. But in a play ground, rucker park for example, DSJ would be my easy choice. For an NBA team? I don't fee comfortable with DSJ running the show. His stock has hit rock bottom.
+100
HofstraBBall wrote:Are you the jackal? why cant you talk about DSJr without talking about Frank?fishmike wrote:Sambakick wrote:His skills are one thing. His body language is another thing. I won't say he isn't skilled at hooping. But he kinda reminds me of a marbury-type. Remember when Steph wrote "All Alone" on his kicks? I think Dennis Smith is cut from the same cloth as Marbury. Not batshit crazy no. Actually comes across OK on his interviews. But when i watch him on th ebasketball court i don't see a guy who has a "mamba mentality" or even cares that much about wins. I see a guy who is happy if he plays well. And I don't see a guy who really wants to win games that it kills him to lose. Maybe i'm guilty of looking too closely for flaws, but there's just something i don't like about him as a 5-on-5 NBA player. I get the feeling he is about his stats and looking good mainly. Which... everyone cares about to some degree true.... but he just has this vibe to him i don't fully love. Comparatively I love love love Payton's vibe. Love what he did to Jae. And i love Frankie's quiet determination. I don't like anything about DSJ's vibe.man this is exactly where I am. I root for the kid but there are so many SMH moments...The Jackals have returned. With the kid finally getting a start he puts up 15 pts. 5 Assists, 7 Rebounds and 7 STEALS. Stats that, if Frank would have posted, many on here would have used to replace their Viagra for the next three months. But being the "TRUE" Knicks fans your bringing up how Harden fouled him by throwing him to the ground and you did not like how he reacted? Timeless. GTHOH!
At the risk of sounding like I hate Frank.(Which happens every time I post reality/Stats) He has hit 13 out of his last 50 3pt shots over the last 21 game span. He has posted 5 or less points, with a couple of zero point games 7 out of his last 13 games, shooting 36% from the field in that span. Despite all the claims he is getting better he is on path to replicate his first two years. As for how awful Smith is. Yes he has had a terrible year. But let's not forget what you two seem to have amnesia about. Smith averaged close to 14.5 and 5 with Dallas. He comes here gets hurt, loses his step mom. Also heard Clyde mention that the Knicks had worked with Smith to be more of a half court PG and to slow down and run the offense. Seems questionable to slow down an explosive PG but okay guess its to give our best player (Randle) the ball down low. We know how much everyone agrees with giving Rnadle the ball. Clyde Also appropriately mentioned how hard that must be. Still, Smith has had a bad year. Players have to perform in this business regardless of the challenges. But yeah, he finally has his best game of the year and the jackals jump all over him for not reacting a certain way when he is thrown to the floor and ignore any potential his 2 prior years showed. Seems fair. And people wonder why this city can't develop anyone and why unicorns decide to leave.
Lets try... how's DSJR's season going?
How do you feel about DSJR's future with the Knicks?
How confident are you that DSJr will move past his struggles into a good NBA player?
Do you think DSJr is here next year?
martin wrote:blkexec wrote:Well....I wanted DSJ on draft day. I remember talking to people that say him play in person, and they was in shock at his athletism. I thought he would be a 1 player high light type, similar to D.Rose…..But skills alone doesn't work in the NBA. He's clearly missing something or distracted. Some days, he looks like he belongs in the G league. Other days, he looks like a player with potential.
Deciding between him and Frank is tough to me, because they are so different. Personally, I would rather have Frank because Frank can play 3 positions and he doesn't come with an ego. DSJ comes with entitlement. He doesn't like coming off the bench and prefer to be a starter. His basketball IQ seems to be lower than Frank, from a team perspective. But in a play ground, rucker park for example, DSJ would be my easy choice. For an NBA team? I don't fee comfortable with DSJ running the show. His stock has hit rock bottom.
+100
Are you referencing his back issues in Dallas as his diva act? My optics on him here only. They traded for Doncic and paid a big price for him. Dennis was done in Dallas.
He was OK last season, obviously knicks wanted to "fix him". All NBA players come with big egos as they were top dog everywhere they came from.
Im not sold that he is a self entitled diva.
Fiz made reference a few times that made me believe the hope was both frank and Dennis would play together. If that was the plan, its obvious its not coming together.
Nalod was a big fan of KP. Was hoping Dennis would help take the sting out of the trade. Still do.
fishmike wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Are you the jackal? why cant you talk about DSJr without talking about Frank?fishmike wrote:Sambakick wrote:His skills are one thing. His body language is another thing. I won't say he isn't skilled at hooping. But he kinda reminds me of a marbury-type. Remember when Steph wrote "All Alone" on his kicks? I think Dennis Smith is cut from the same cloth as Marbury. Not batshit crazy no. Actually comes across OK on his interviews. But when i watch him on th ebasketball court i don't see a guy who has a "mamba mentality" or even cares that much about wins. I see a guy who is happy if he plays well. And I don't see a guy who really wants to win games that it kills him to lose. Maybe i'm guilty of looking too closely for flaws, but there's just something i don't like about him as a 5-on-5 NBA player. I get the feeling he is about his stats and looking good mainly. Which... everyone cares about to some degree true.... but he just has this vibe to him i don't fully love. Comparatively I love love love Payton's vibe. Love what he did to Jae. And i love Frankie's quiet determination. I don't like anything about DSJ's vibe.man this is exactly where I am. I root for the kid but there are so many SMH moments...The Jackals have returned. With the kid finally getting a start he puts up 15 pts. 5 Assists, 7 Rebounds and 7 STEALS. Stats that, if Frank would have posted, many on here would have used to replace their Viagra for the next three months. But being the "TRUE" Knicks fans your bringing up how Harden fouled him by throwing him to the ground and you did not like how he reacted? Timeless. GTHOH!
At the risk of sounding like I hate Frank.(Which happens every time I post reality/Stats) He has hit 13 out of his last 50 3pt shots over the last 21 game span. He has posted 5 or less points, with a couple of zero point games 7 out of his last 13 games, shooting 36% from the field in that span. Despite all the claims he is getting better he is on path to replicate his first two years. As for how awful Smith is. Yes he has had a terrible year. But let's not forget what you two seem to have amnesia about. Smith averaged close to 14.5 and 5 with Dallas. He comes here gets hurt, loses his step mom. Also heard Clyde mention that the Knicks had worked with Smith to be more of a half court PG and to slow down and run the offense. Seems questionable to slow down an explosive PG but okay guess its to give our best player (Randle) the ball down low. We know how much everyone agrees with giving Rnadle the ball. Clyde Also appropriately mentioned how hard that must be. Still, Smith has had a bad year. Players have to perform in this business regardless of the challenges. But yeah, he finally has his best game of the year and the jackals jump all over him for not reacting a certain way when he is thrown to the floor and ignore any potential his 2 prior years showed. Seems fair. And people wonder why this city can't develop anyone and why unicorns decide to leave.
Lets try... how's DSJR's season going?
How do you feel about DSJR's future with the Knicks?
How confident are you that DSJr will move past his struggles into a good NBA player?
Do you think DSJr is here next year?
AH the bait has been eaten.
Did you read my posts? Or is your vision blurred every time I post any of Franks lack luster stats? I said the only reason Frank comes into the conversation is because the same guys (You) that take every opportunity to put Smith down (Chiming in on how you agree that you did not like how he reacted on the floor) are the same ones that have a spasm any time Frank steals a ball but yet goes 0 for 8 from the field.
As for you attempt to deflect.
Smith season is going badly. He had a back injury first week of the season. Mom passed away. His shot seems broken and confidence level at all time low. He is also having trouble figuring out a new system with new guys.
Smith future with the Knicks depends on who they bring in, what type of system they want to run and who the players signed are. If you get a guy that wants to run and gets rid of guys like Randle, Smith will be here.
Very confident that Smith Jr. will move past struggles. In case you missed the game against Houston he looked more athletic than any of our Point guards have looked all year.
Funny how you kept so quite on this subject the first two years of his NBA career? Did you now think its time to revisit our discussions? Explains the eagerness to climb on every anti Smith post. Must have been hard waiting so long for you chance to make some argument.
Now your turn....
How is Frank's season going so far?
How were his first two years compared to Smith?
Have you seen any substantial improvement over the first three years?
Do you feel Frank will be here next year?
How confident are you that Frank will move past his struggles the first three years in the NBA?
blkexec wrote:Well....I wanted DSJ on draft day. I remember talking to people that say him play in person, and they was in shock at his athletism. I thought he would be a 1 player high light type, similar to D.Rose…..But skills alone doesn't work in the NBA. He's clearly missing something or distracted. Some days, he looks like he belongs in the G league. Other days, he looks like a player with potential.
Deciding between him and Frank is tough to me, because they are so different. Personally, I would rather have Frank because Frank can play 3 positions and he doesn't come with an ego. DSJ comes with entitlement. He doesn't like coming off the bench and prefer to be a starter. His basketball IQ seems to be lower than Frank, from a team perspective. But in a play ground, rucker park for example, DSJ would be my easy choice. For an NBA team? I don't fee comfortable with DSJ running the show. His stock has hit rock bottom.
Where did the narrative of him having an ego start with you? I agree that he has terrible body language at times. Get that he did not react well to being replaced as the face of the Mavericks within 12 month time span. But what drives the feeling that he has a problematic ego? Specially considering the things he has had to go through at the age of 21 and 22.
In terms of choice between Frank or Smith, feel they are two totally different players. One is a defensive specialist, not offensive minded and is more of a role player. Exactly what you insinuated. The guy everyone wants on their team at Rucker Park. Problem is, we are not talking about putting teams together at Rucker Park. We are talking about picking a guy who has the highest ceiling and potential to be an impact player in today's NBA. Smith is a physical phenom, has had the better start and has the highest ceiling. Reason why I felt he would be a better pick at 8. That and the fact I thought Frank would just be a role player (I was right). Role players can be had in later rounds or signed cheaply in Free agency. However, do agree it is a tough choice and Frank has several good attributes. For the reasons you mentioned, if I had to pick, I would pick as you did. Then fear the possibility that Smith turns out to be as good as he has been at every level he has played in and as good as his natural ability hints he can be. I have a feeling that there is a big possibility that neither are here next year.