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Exactly what is needed. Money directly to the people. Can’t trust anything else
NotInMyHouse wrote:Re hydroxychloroquine stack - I'm more curious as to why MSM is so worried about us as to villify the drug. I've never really felt that they look out for us. Almost like when someone who usually ignores you starts being real friendly and you're like "What do you want?" I wonder if it is more about the drug being generic (no real money to be made in it) and a vaccine (which will take a while) being very profitable (and patentable.) That said, some of the other treatments (e.g. some kind of plasma one) seem very promising thus far.
The MSM is not vilifying the drug, they are vilifying the snake oil salesman messenger who is telling you to take the drug for no apparent good reason.
Dr Fauci and Dr Brix are not telling anyone to take the drug. Generally, scientists are not telling you to take the drug or that it is a suitable for covid patients.
There is a clear and very purposeful protocol - path - to making sure a drug is AOK for patients. Just because a drug is OK for one purpose does not mean it should be used willy nilly for other purposes, ask your doctor about that and the risks involved. This is science and drugs 101 and people like Dr Fauci and others know this, have lived it their entire lives, because they are not snake oil salesman.
Trump keeps rhetorically asking while touting the drug, "What have you got to loose"? Your life. There are known side effects - deadly ones - which are never simultaneously discusses. When you are prescribed a drug or when you and your doctor discuss possible drugs to take with any affliction, side effects are and should ALWAYS be discussed, and they are particular from patient to patient.
We have a lot of dumb dumbs in American. They ingest Tide pods. No need to rush the airwaves on something that is not FDA and Dr Fauci approved. Listen to him.
Again, would you take financial advice from your family physician? I know some good uses for vegetable oil from cooking (plus I'm an engineer!) but would never recommend you put it in your car and ask you "What have you got to lose?"
It's not the drug itself, it's the message and messenger.
Wash you hands, wear a mask and gloves while going out, keep your distance, don't gather, don't eat Tide pods, drink lots of water with Vitamin C, keep breathing deep, and know that when you have that morning coffee and it smells like heaven, it's another day you likely don't have symptoms. Like that
Trump pitches black voters: 'What the hell do you have to lose?'
Washington(CNN)Donald Trump on Friday continued his outreach to African-American voters, presenting them with a stark question: "What the hell do you have to lose?"
Speaking in Dimondale, Michigan -- a predominantly white suburb of Lansing -- Trump lamented the collapse of American manufacturing and criticized free trade deals as he laced into Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party, saying they are taking black voters for granted.
"You're living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58% of your youth is unemployed -- what the hell do you have to lose?" Trump asked the audience in an unscripted moment from a speech in which he otherwise stuck to his teleprompter.
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I have not heard of $1 being available from that fund.
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Its a tweet. Is this verified?Perhaps.
All Socialized economies listed. Im not here to debate the validity of the system, just saying.
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I don't know if this has ever happened before. For clarity:
The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 established the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) as an independent agency to assist the DNI. The ODNI's goal is to effectively integrate foreign, military and domestic intelligence in defense of the homeland and of United States interests abroad.[Taken from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_o...
Within hours of that tweet, Pence bars top health experts Fauci and Birx from appearing on CNN.
Not exactly the same thing as the DNI tweet, but the timing...???
martin wrote:NotInMyHouse wrote:Re hydroxychloroquine stack - I'm more curious as to why MSM is so worried about us as to villify the drug. I've never really felt that they look out for us. Almost like when someone who usually ignores you starts being real friendly and you're like "What do you want?" I wonder if it is more about the drug being generic (no real money to be made in it) and a vaccine (which will take a while) being very profitable (and patentable.) That said, some of the other treatments (e.g. some kind of plasma one) seem very promising thus far.The MSM is not vilifying the drug, they are vilifying the snake oil salesman messenger who is telling you to take the drug for no apparent good reason.
Dr Fauci and Dr Brix are not telling anyone to take the drug. Generally, scientists are not telling you to take the drug or that it is a suitable for covid patients.
There is a clear and very purposeful protocol - path - to making sure a drug is AOK for patients. Just because a drug is OK for one purpose does not mean it should be used willy nilly for other purposes, ask your doctor about that and the risks involved. This is science and drugs 101 and people like Dr Fauci and others know this, have lived it their entire lives, because they are not snake oil salesman.
Trump keeps rhetorically asking while touting the drug, "What have you got to loose"? Your life. There are known side effects - deadly ones - which are never simultaneously discusses. When you are prescribed a drug or when you and your doctor discuss possible drugs to take with any affliction, side effects are and should ALWAYS be discussed, and they are particular from patient to patient.
We have a lot of dumb dumbs in American. They ingest Tide pods. No need to rush the airwaves on something that is not FDA and Dr Fauci approved. Listen to him.
Again, would you take financial advice from your family physician? I know some good uses for vegetable oil from cooking (plus I'm an engineer!) but would never recommend you put it in your car and ask you "What have you got to lose?"
It's not the drug itself, it's the message and messenger.
Wash you hands, wear a mask and gloves while going out, keep your distance, don't gather, don't eat Tide pods, drink lots of water with Vitamin C, keep breathing deep, and know that when you have that morning coffee and it smells like heaven, it's another day you likely don't have symptoms. Like that
It all comes down to a doctor Martin. No one is saying to do anything.
It is not MSM's job to tell us what to take. They are not doctors.
Niether is Trump's. But both have the right to say "You can speak to your doctor about this."
If my physician told me about a stock and said "Why don't you speak to your financial advisor about it if it interests you." I might, but I'm not going to listen to him about buying stock anymore than CNN or The President about taking or not taking a drug treatment. But I might speak to my doctor about it.
martin wrote:NotInMyHouse wrote:Re hydroxychloroquine stack - I'm more curious as to why MSM is so worried about us as to villify the drug. I've never really felt that they look out for us. Almost like when someone who usually ignores you starts being real friendly and you're like "What do you want?" I wonder if it is more about the drug being generic (no real money to be made in it) and a vaccine (which will take a while) being very profitable (and patentable.) That said, some of the other treatments (e.g. some kind of plasma one) seem very promising thus far.The MSM is not vilifying the drug, they are vilifying the snake oil salesman messenger who is telling you to take the drug for no apparent good reason.
Dr Fauci and Dr Brix are not telling anyone to take the drug. Generally, scientists are not telling you to take the drug or that it is a suitable for covid patients.
There is a clear and very purposeful protocol - path - to making sure a drug is AOK for patients. Just because a drug is OK for one purpose does not mean it should be used willy nilly for other purposes, ask your doctor about that and the risks involved. This is science and drugs 101 and people like Dr Fauci and others know this, have lived it their entire lives, because they are not snake oil salesman.
Trump keeps rhetorically asking while touting the drug, "What have you got to loose"? Your life. There are known side effects - deadly ones - which are never simultaneously discusses. When you are prescribed a drug or when you and your doctor discuss possible drugs to take with any affliction, side effects are and should ALWAYS be discussed, and they are particular from patient to patient.
We have a lot of dumb dumbs in American. They ingest Tide pods. No need to rush the airwaves on something that is not FDA and Dr Fauci approved. Listen to him.
Again, would you take financial advice from your family physician? I know some good uses for vegetable oil from cooking (plus I'm an engineer!) but would never recommend you put it in your car and ask you "What have you got to lose?"
It's not the drug itself, it's the message and messenger.
Wash you hands, wear a mask and gloves while going out, keep your distance, don't gather, don't eat Tide pods, drink lots of water with Vitamin C, keep breathing deep, and know that when you have that morning coffee and it smells like heaven, it's another day you likely don't have symptoms. Like that
In previous Role I oversaw financial ops for a phase 1 research group related to cancer drugs....I can tell you it takes time for drugs to run through clinical trials.....just phase 1 trials take years....I am sure govt will fast track whatever they have..but still....even existing drugs that are may be used off label/ new indications take time....
NotInMyHouse wrote:martin wrote:NotInMyHouse wrote:Re hydroxychloroquine stack - I'm more curious as to why MSM is so worried about us as to villify the drug. I've never really felt that they look out for us. Almost like when someone who usually ignores you starts being real friendly and you're like "What do you want?" I wonder if it is more about the drug being generic (no real money to be made in it) and a vaccine (which will take a while) being very profitable (and patentable.) That said, some of the other treatments (e.g. some kind of plasma one) seem very promising thus far.The MSM is not vilifying the drug, they are vilifying the snake oil salesman messenger who is telling you to take the drug for no apparent good reason.
Dr Fauci and Dr Brix are not telling anyone to take the drug. Generally, scientists are not telling you to take the drug or that it is a suitable for covid patients.
There is a clear and very purposeful protocol - path - to making sure a drug is AOK for patients. Just because a drug is OK for one purpose does not mean it should be used willy nilly for other purposes, ask your doctor about that and the risks involved. This is science and drugs 101 and people like Dr Fauci and others know this, have lived it their entire lives, because they are not snake oil salesman.
Trump keeps rhetorically asking while touting the drug, "What have you got to loose"? Your life. There are known side effects - deadly ones - which are never simultaneously discusses. When you are prescribed a drug or when you and your doctor discuss possible drugs to take with any affliction, side effects are and should ALWAYS be discussed, and they are particular from patient to patient.
We have a lot of dumb dumbs in American. They ingest Tide pods. No need to rush the airwaves on something that is not FDA and Dr Fauci approved. Listen to him.
Again, would you take financial advice from your family physician? I know some good uses for vegetable oil from cooking (plus I'm an engineer!) but would never recommend you put it in your car and ask you "What have you got to lose?"
It's not the drug itself, it's the message and messenger.
Wash you hands, wear a mask and gloves while going out, keep your distance, don't gather, don't eat Tide pods, drink lots of water with Vitamin C, keep breathing deep, and know that when you have that morning coffee and it smells like heaven, it's another day you likely don't have symptoms. Like that
It all comes down to a doctor Martin. No one is saying to do anything.
It is not MSM's job to tell us what to take. They are not doctors.
Niether is Trump's. But both have the right to say "You can speak to your doctor about this."If my physician told me about a stock and said "Why don't you speak to your financial advisor about it if it interests you." I might, but I'm not going to listen to him about buying stock anymore than CNN or The President about taking or not taking a drug treatment. But I might speak to my doctor about it.
Trump keeps saying that you should take the drug, what have you got to lose. MSM keeps saying that Trump is whack for saying it. That’s the bottom line.
You are not getting the underlying facts right.
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The federal govt which typically bureaucracy weighted down is a $hit show right now because incompetency at the top and a Has been hollowed out with many of the govt infrastructure not with staff or have been cut entirely and what is left is bootlickers and a$$ kissers
Florida has folks waiting on line for 3 to 4 hours to file paper claims....ridiculous
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Because socialism sucks.
The real answer is to lower wages so "struggling farms can survive"
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/10/832076074...
martin wrote:NotInMyHouse wrote:martin wrote:NotInMyHouse wrote:Re hydroxychloroquine stack - I'm more curious as to why MSM is so worried about us as to villify the drug. I've never really felt that they look out for us. Almost like when someone who usually ignores you starts being real friendly and you're like "What do you want?" I wonder if it is more about the drug being generic (no real money to be made in it) and a vaccine (which will take a while) being very profitable (and patentable.) That said, some of the other treatments (e.g. some kind of plasma one) seem very promising thus far.The MSM is not vilifying the drug, they are vilifying the snake oil salesman messenger who is telling you to take the drug for no apparent good reason.
Dr Fauci and Dr Brix are not telling anyone to take the drug. Generally, scientists are not telling you to take the drug or that it is a suitable for covid patients.
There is a clear and very purposeful protocol - path - to making sure a drug is AOK for patients. Just because a drug is OK for one purpose does not mean it should be used willy nilly for other purposes, ask your doctor about that and the risks involved. This is science and drugs 101 and people like Dr Fauci and others know this, have lived it their entire lives, because they are not snake oil salesman.
Trump keeps rhetorically asking while touting the drug, "What have you got to loose"? Your life. There are known side effects - deadly ones - which are never simultaneously discusses. When you are prescribed a drug or when you and your doctor discuss possible drugs to take with any affliction, side effects are and should ALWAYS be discussed, and they are particular from patient to patient.
We have a lot of dumb dumbs in American. They ingest Tide pods. No need to rush the airwaves on something that is not FDA and Dr Fauci approved. Listen to him.
Again, would you take financial advice from your family physician? I know some good uses for vegetable oil from cooking (plus I'm an engineer!) but would never recommend you put it in your car and ask you "What have you got to lose?"
It's not the drug itself, it's the message and messenger.
Wash you hands, wear a mask and gloves while going out, keep your distance, don't gather, don't eat Tide pods, drink lots of water with Vitamin C, keep breathing deep, and know that when you have that morning coffee and it smells like heaven, it's another day you likely don't have symptoms. Like that
It all comes down to a doctor Martin. No one is saying to do anything.
It is not MSM's job to tell us what to take. They are not doctors.
Niether is Trump's. But both have the right to say "You can speak to your doctor about this."If my physician told me about a stock and said "Why don't you speak to your financial advisor about it if it interests you." I might, but I'm not going to listen to him about buying stock anymore than CNN or The President about taking or not taking a drug treatment. But I might speak to my doctor about it.
Trump keeps saying that you should take the drug, what have you got to lose. MSM keeps saying that Trump is whack for saying it. That’s the bottom line.
You are not getting the underlying facts right.
Trump is definitely whack for suggesting people start taking this drug.
That said there is a new study or two by the Chinese showing a different hypothesis for the how the virus works. Previously everyone thought it makes it harder for people to breathe, their lungs get damaged and stop working. Meaning they can't take air in anymore. The new study shows that the virus doesn't directly attack the lungs at all. Instead it attacks red blood cell in our blood because it needs a type of organic compound called porphyrins to carry out it's own life cycle. In human blood red blood cells carry porphryins which combine with Iron ions to form Haeme a pigment which combines with beta-globin(a protein) to form hemoglobin. This virus is releasing the iron ions from hemoglobin and rendering the red blood cells incapable of carrying oxygen to the tissues and organs from the lungs. As a secondary impact the liberated free radicals (iron ions) can cause oxidative damage to your body and especially the lungs. The body has some built in mechanisms to capture these ions and deal with them (in the lungs) but those get overwhelmed as the level of free iron ions in the blood rise. The ensuing damage to the lungs is what is responsible for the ground glass like opacity shown by the lungs x-rays of terminal COVID-19 patients. Previously it was being treated as proof of pneumonia in the lungs which creates similar opacity but it's usually limited to one side of the lungs. The COVID19 damage is bilateral (both sides) and not caused by pneumonia - according to this study.
If this study is proved right by peer review, then Trump in all his shit-brained ignorance may accidentally be proved right. Because chloroquine does helps the absorptions of zinc into body cells and increases the intra-cellular ph levels both of which a detrimental to the release of viral DNA. Also if the study proves right intubation to increase air flow to the lungs has zero-impact until almost at he end, when in most cases it's already too late.
meloshouldgo wrote:martin wrote:NotInMyHouse wrote:martin wrote:NotInMyHouse wrote:Re hydroxychloroquine stack - I'm more curious as to why MSM is so worried about us as to villify the drug. I've never really felt that they look out for us. Almost like when someone who usually ignores you starts being real friendly and you're like "What do you want?" I wonder if it is more about the drug being generic (no real money to be made in it) and a vaccine (which will take a while) being very profitable (and patentable.) That said, some of the other treatments (e.g. some kind of plasma one) seem very promising thus far.The MSM is not vilifying the drug, they are vilifying the snake oil salesman messenger who is telling you to take the drug for no apparent good reason.
Dr Fauci and Dr Brix are not telling anyone to take the drug. Generally, scientists are not telling you to take the drug or that it is a suitable for covid patients.
There is a clear and very purposeful protocol - path - to making sure a drug is AOK for patients. Just because a drug is OK for one purpose does not mean it should be used willy nilly for other purposes, ask your doctor about that and the risks involved. This is science and drugs 101 and people like Dr Fauci and others know this, have lived it their entire lives, because they are not snake oil salesman.
Trump keeps rhetorically asking while touting the drug, "What have you got to loose"? Your life. There are known side effects - deadly ones - which are never simultaneously discusses. When you are prescribed a drug or when you and your doctor discuss possible drugs to take with any affliction, side effects are and should ALWAYS be discussed, and they are particular from patient to patient.
We have a lot of dumb dumbs in American. They ingest Tide pods. No need to rush the airwaves on something that is not FDA and Dr Fauci approved. Listen to him.
Again, would you take financial advice from your family physician? I know some good uses for vegetable oil from cooking (plus I'm an engineer!) but would never recommend you put it in your car and ask you "What have you got to lose?"
It's not the drug itself, it's the message and messenger.
Wash you hands, wear a mask and gloves while going out, keep your distance, don't gather, don't eat Tide pods, drink lots of water with Vitamin C, keep breathing deep, and know that when you have that morning coffee and it smells like heaven, it's another day you likely don't have symptoms. Like that
It all comes down to a doctor Martin. No one is saying to do anything.
It is not MSM's job to tell us what to take. They are not doctors.
Niether is Trump's. But both have the right to say "You can speak to your doctor about this."If my physician told me about a stock and said "Why don't you speak to your financial advisor about it if it interests you." I might, but I'm not going to listen to him about buying stock anymore than CNN or The President about taking or not taking a drug treatment. But I might speak to my doctor about it.
Trump keeps saying that you should take the drug, what have you got to lose. MSM keeps saying that Trump is whack for saying it. That’s the bottom line.
You are not getting the underlying facts right.
Trump is definitely whack for suggesting people start taking this drug.
That said there is a new study or two by the Chinese showing a different hypothesis for the how the virus works. Previously everyone thought it makes it harder for people to breathe, their lungs get damaged and stop working. Meaning they can't take air in anymore. The new study shows that the virus doesn't directly attack the lungs at all. Instead it attacks red blood cell in our blood because it needs a type of organic compound called porphyrins to carry out it's own life cycle. In human blood red blood cells carry porphryins which combine with Iron ions to form Haeme a pigment which combines with beta-globin(a protein) to form hemoglobin. This virus is releasing the iron ions from hemoglobin and rendering the red blood cells incapable of carrying oxygen to the tissues and organs from the lungs. As a secondary impact the liberated free radicals (iron ions) can cause oxidative damage to your body and especially the lungs. The body has some built in mechanisms to capture these ions and deal with them (in the lungs) but those get overwhelmed as the level of free iron ions in the blood rise. The ensuing damage to the lungs is what is responsible for the ground glass like opacity shown by the lungs x-rays of terminal COVID-19 patients. Previously it was being treated as proof of pneumonia in the lungs which creates similar opacity but it's usually limited to one side of the lungs. The COVID19 damage is bilateral (both sides) and not caused by pneumonia - according to this study.
If this study is proved right by peer review, then Trump in all his shit-brained ignorance may accidentally be proved right. Because chloroquine does helps the absorptions of zinc into body cells and increases the intra-cellular ph levels both of which a detrimental to the release of viral DNA. Also if the study proves right intubation to increase air flow to the lungs has zero-impact until almost at he end, when in most cases it's already too late.
Can you post a link to the study?
ekstarks94 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:martin wrote:NotInMyHouse wrote:martin wrote:NotInMyHouse wrote:Re hydroxychloroquine stack - I'm more curious as to why MSM is so worried about us as to villify the drug. I've never really felt that they look out for us. Almost like when someone who usually ignores you starts being real friendly and you're like "What do you want?" I wonder if it is more about the drug being generic (no real money to be made in it) and a vaccine (which will take a while) being very profitable (and patentable.) That said, some of the other treatments (e.g. some kind of plasma one) seem very promising thus far.The MSM is not vilifying the drug, they are vilifying the snake oil salesman messenger who is telling you to take the drug for no apparent good reason.
Dr Fauci and Dr Brix are not telling anyone to take the drug. Generally, scientists are not telling you to take the drug or that it is a suitable for covid patients.
There is a clear and very purposeful protocol - path - to making sure a drug is AOK for patients. Just because a drug is OK for one purpose does not mean it should be used willy nilly for other purposes, ask your doctor about that and the risks involved. This is science and drugs 101 and people like Dr Fauci and others know this, have lived it their entire lives, because they are not snake oil salesman.
Trump keeps rhetorically asking while touting the drug, "What have you got to loose"? Your life. There are known side effects - deadly ones - which are never simultaneously discusses. When you are prescribed a drug or when you and your doctor discuss possible drugs to take with any affliction, side effects are and should ALWAYS be discussed, and they are particular from patient to patient.
We have a lot of dumb dumbs in American. They ingest Tide pods. No need to rush the airwaves on something that is not FDA and Dr Fauci approved. Listen to him.
Again, would you take financial advice from your family physician? I know some good uses for vegetable oil from cooking (plus I'm an engineer!) but would never recommend you put it in your car and ask you "What have you got to lose?"
It's not the drug itself, it's the message and messenger.
Wash you hands, wear a mask and gloves while going out, keep your distance, don't gather, don't eat Tide pods, drink lots of water with Vitamin C, keep breathing deep, and know that when you have that morning coffee and it smells like heaven, it's another day you likely don't have symptoms. Like that
It all comes down to a doctor Martin. No one is saying to do anything.
It is not MSM's job to tell us what to take. They are not doctors.
Niether is Trump's. But both have the right to say "You can speak to your doctor about this."If my physician told me about a stock and said "Why don't you speak to your financial advisor about it if it interests you." I might, but I'm not going to listen to him about buying stock anymore than CNN or The President about taking or not taking a drug treatment. But I might speak to my doctor about it.
Trump keeps saying that you should take the drug, what have you got to lose. MSM keeps saying that Trump is whack for saying it. That’s the bottom line.
You are not getting the underlying facts right.
Trump is definitely whack for suggesting people start taking this drug.
That said there is a new study or two by the Chinese showing a different hypothesis for the how the virus works. Previously everyone thought it makes it harder for people to breathe, their lungs get damaged and stop working. Meaning they can't take air in anymore. The new study shows that the virus doesn't directly attack the lungs at all. Instead it attacks red blood cell in our blood because it needs a type of organic compound called porphyrins to carry out it's own life cycle. In human blood red blood cells carry porphryins which combine with Iron ions to form Haeme a pigment which combines with beta-globin(a protein) to form hemoglobin. This virus is releasing the iron ions from hemoglobin and rendering the red blood cells incapable of carrying oxygen to the tissues and organs from the lungs. As a secondary impact the liberated free radicals (iron ions) can cause oxidative damage to your body and especially the lungs. The body has some built in mechanisms to capture these ions and deal with them (in the lungs) but those get overwhelmed as the level of free iron ions in the blood rise. The ensuing damage to the lungs is what is responsible for the ground glass like opacity shown by the lungs x-rays of terminal COVID-19 patients. Previously it was being treated as proof of pneumonia in the lungs which creates similar opacity but it's usually limited to one side of the lungs. The COVID19 damage is bilateral (both sides) and not caused by pneumonia - according to this study.
If this study is proved right by peer review, then Trump in all his shit-brained ignorance may accidentally be proved right. Because chloroquine does helps the absorptions of zinc into body cells and increases the intra-cellular ph levels both of which a detrimental to the release of viral DNA. Also if the study proves right intubation to increase air flow to the lungs has zero-impact until almost at he end, when in most cases it's already too late.
Can you post a link to the study?
direct link to a pdf file
meloshouldgo wrote:ekstarks94 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:martin wrote:NotInMyHouse wrote:martin wrote:NotInMyHouse wrote:Re hydroxychloroquine stack - I'm more curious as to why MSM is so worried about us as to villify the drug. I've never really felt that they look out for us. Almost like when someone who usually ignores you starts being real friendly and you're like "What do you want?" I wonder if it is more about the drug being generic (no real money to be made in it) and a vaccine (which will take a while) being very profitable (and patentable.) That said, some of the other treatments (e.g. some kind of plasma one) seem very promising thus far.The MSM is not vilifying the drug, they are vilifying the snake oil salesman messenger who is telling you to take the drug for no apparent good reason.
Dr Fauci and Dr Brix are not telling anyone to take the drug. Generally, scientists are not telling you to take the drug or that it is a suitable for covid patients.
There is a clear and very purposeful protocol - path - to making sure a drug is AOK for patients. Just because a drug is OK for one purpose does not mean it should be used willy nilly for other purposes, ask your doctor about that and the risks involved. This is science and drugs 101 and people like Dr Fauci and others know this, have lived it their entire lives, because they are not snake oil salesman.
Trump keeps rhetorically asking while touting the drug, "What have you got to loose"? Your life. There are known side effects - deadly ones - which are never simultaneously discusses. When you are prescribed a drug or when you and your doctor discuss possible drugs to take with any affliction, side effects are and should ALWAYS be discussed, and they are particular from patient to patient.
We have a lot of dumb dumbs in American. They ingest Tide pods. No need to rush the airwaves on something that is not FDA and Dr Fauci approved. Listen to him.
Again, would you take financial advice from your family physician? I know some good uses for vegetable oil from cooking (plus I'm an engineer!) but would never recommend you put it in your car and ask you "What have you got to lose?"
It's not the drug itself, it's the message and messenger.
Wash you hands, wear a mask and gloves while going out, keep your distance, don't gather, don't eat Tide pods, drink lots of water with Vitamin C, keep breathing deep, and know that when you have that morning coffee and it smells like heaven, it's another day you likely don't have symptoms. Like that
It all comes down to a doctor Martin. No one is saying to do anything.
It is not MSM's job to tell us what to take. They are not doctors.
Niether is Trump's. But both have the right to say "You can speak to your doctor about this."If my physician told me about a stock and said "Why don't you speak to your financial advisor about it if it interests you." I might, but I'm not going to listen to him about buying stock anymore than CNN or The President about taking or not taking a drug treatment. But I might speak to my doctor about it.
Trump keeps saying that you should take the drug, what have you got to lose. MSM keeps saying that Trump is whack for saying it. That’s the bottom line.
You are not getting the underlying facts right.
Trump is definitely whack for suggesting people start taking this drug.
That said there is a new study or two by the Chinese showing a different hypothesis for the how the virus works. Previously everyone thought it makes it harder for people to breathe, their lungs get damaged and stop working. Meaning they can't take air in anymore. The new study shows that the virus doesn't directly attack the lungs at all. Instead it attacks red blood cell in our blood because it needs a type of organic compound called porphyrins to carry out it's own life cycle. In human blood red blood cells carry porphryins which combine with Iron ions to form Haeme a pigment which combines with beta-globin(a protein) to form hemoglobin. This virus is releasing the iron ions from hemoglobin and rendering the red blood cells incapable of carrying oxygen to the tissues and organs from the lungs. As a secondary impact the liberated free radicals (iron ions) can cause oxidative damage to your body and especially the lungs. The body has some built in mechanisms to capture these ions and deal with them (in the lungs) but those get overwhelmed as the level of free iron ions in the blood rise. The ensuing damage to the lungs is what is responsible for the ground glass like opacity shown by the lungs x-rays of terminal COVID-19 patients. Previously it was being treated as proof of pneumonia in the lungs which creates similar opacity but it's usually limited to one side of the lungs. The COVID19 damage is bilateral (both sides) and not caused by pneumonia - according to this study.
If this study is proved right by peer review, then Trump in all his shit-brained ignorance may accidentally be proved right. Because chloroquine does helps the absorptions of zinc into body cells and increases the intra-cellular ph levels both of which a detrimental to the release of viral DNA. Also if the study proves right intubation to increase air flow to the lungs has zero-impact until almost at he end, when in most cases it's already too late.
Can you post a link to the study?
direct link to a pdf file
Ok, several points here:
1. I'm a doctor. Please do not take any drug recommended by a layperson based on empirical or unknown evidence. Ever. This is doubly true of any orange coloured humans or anyone with known history of malignant lying.
2. This paper that you've posted, which I've read, was written by two biochemists, not medical doctors. Thier research has a great deal of value but, in fact, it is not meant to be correlated to human or treatment recommendations. They specifically state that they feel that an important part of the research into Covid-19 should include a biochemical breakdown of its makeup and weak points. They are of course correct in this.
3. Their paper, which is very good, is not based on any research into humans who have contracted Covid-19. They make this very clear. It is research into the virus. Any recommendations that they manage to glean from their research then needs to be reviewed and follows up in actual clinical trials. This is several million miles away from any drug recommendations.
4. The idea that this would prove Trump right is also a fallacy. Even if, in the future, hydroxychloroquine is proven useful in the fight against Covid-19, Trump's speech and behaviour was still criminally negligent. People died because of him, this has been proven.
5. My post here is a reminder in and of itself of why you wait for doctors and clinical research professionals to collate and translate clinically important data. It is so easy to misunderstand the value of something, especially if you have skin in the game, which Trump certainly does, and doubly so if you're someone without the critical analysis tools to use the data, which Trump eminently does not possess.
6. In my ITU we have stopped treating patients with azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine. We have not seen results in our sick cohort and have focused on other measures including supportive ventilation and other-organ protection.
7. I'd like to make a side point which I feel is important. You said " Also if the study proves right intubation to increase air flow to the lungs has zero-impact until almost at he end, when in most cases it's already too late." This is patently untrue and shows a lack of understanding of why patients are ventilated in the first instance. Patients are ventilated because without immediate invasive ventilation, they would immediately die. Generally within minutes. They would not reach anywhere near a time of "almost at the end" because they would already be dead. Again, I'm not knocking the writers of this study, it is a study of the virus, and should not be used to extrapolate anything else.
I hope this helps. Please listen only to your doctor's. Stay safe, stay home, save lives.