martin wrote:This is the end game.... but when can we all get access to tests whose results are back within hours:
Interestingly/worryingly, in that experiment, there were 2 people with symptoms but when they did wider testing they found 66 people had the virus and were carriers despite being a-symptomatic. If that ratio is typical (say 30 carriers per person showing symptoms) then it makes it very difficult to contain and would explain why it is so widespread.
Also the lack of testing asymptomatic and mild cases is madness, as now we won’t really know the extent to which people have had it and developed immunity, making it thought to fathom when everything’s safe again.identifying these people is also necessary as then they can become front line volunteers should we need them to help the more vulnerable on lockdown.
Nalod wrote:smackeddog wrote:martin wrote:This is the end game.... but when can we all get access to tests whose results are back within hours:
What I don’t get is, if one country does stringent testing and suppresses the outbreak, what happens when they stop the stringent measures? what happens once flights start again? What happens when one state that had it go rampant, starts interacting with one where few got it? Or are well all going to have to keep separate until a vaccine?(which could be a year to 18 months away). Is suppressing it completely counter productive or is it best just to play for time until there’s a vaccine?
Close the borders, shut the whole thing down and you kill the virus in 30 days.
Scary or not, inconvenient yes, un-American, unprecedented . Unbelievable. Then you get a timeline. Nobody has to fight a war. Just stay the phuch home.
Close the clubs, close bridges. 30 day snow day. We got this people. Play video games, screw, chill......easy.
But unless every country successfully does that, then the thing just keeps getting re ignited when travel resumes.
smackeddog wrote:Nalod wrote:smackeddog wrote:martin wrote:This is the end game.... but when can we all get access to tests whose results are back within hours:
What I don’t get is, if one country does stringent testing and suppresses the outbreak, what happens when they stop the stringent measures? what happens once flights start again? What happens when one state that had it go rampant, starts interacting with one where few got it? Or are well all going to have to keep separate until a vaccine?(which could be a year to 18 months away). Is suppressing it completely counter productive or is it best just to play for time until there’s a vaccine?
Close the borders, shut the whole thing down and you kill the virus in 30 days.
Scary or not, inconvenient yes, un-American, unprecedented . Unbelievable. Then you get a timeline. Nobody has to fight a war. Just stay the phuch home.
Close the clubs, close bridges. 30 day snow day. We got this people. Play video games, screw, chill......easy.
But unless every country successfully does that, then the thing just keeps getting re ignited when travel resumes.
by then rapid testing will be out. And hopefully vaccines will come out SOON
martin wrote:smackeddog wrote:Nalod wrote:smackeddog wrote:martin wrote:This is the end game.... but when can we all get access to tests whose results are back within hours:
What I don’t get is, if one country does stringent testing and suppresses the outbreak, what happens when they stop the stringent measures? what happens once flights start again? What happens when one state that had it go rampant, starts interacting with one where few got it? Or are well all going to have to keep separate until a vaccine?(which could be a year to 18 months away). Is suppressing it completely counter productive or is it best just to play for time until there’s a vaccine?
Close the borders, shut the whole thing down and you kill the virus in 30 days.
Scary or not, inconvenient yes, un-American, unprecedented . Unbelievable. Then you get a timeline. Nobody has to fight a war. Just stay the phuch home.
Close the clubs, close bridges. 30 day snow day. We got this people. Play video games, screw, chill......easy.
But unless every country successfully does that, then the thing just keeps getting re ignited when travel resumes.
by then rapid testing will be out. And hopefully vaccines will come out SOON
I can’t trust humanity or leadership enough to do a worldwide quarantine, albeit that’s obviously the way. Are we going to do that for the next stomach virus that comes out? I fear that $hit a lot more than Covid-19. That’s me speaking selfishly though.
This is a pretty recent study which pictures I fear a pretty bad but probably realistic picutre. :-/
Its using US and UK as focus countries but in Germany scientists are relying on this study at the moment as well regarding their decission base.
We are getting close to a complete lockout here. Crazy that many ppl still do not comply... go out to the Biergardens... STAY THE FUCK HOME and get drunk there...
Stay healthy everybody!!!
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/196234/c...
Allanfan20 wrote:martin wrote:smackeddog wrote:Nalod wrote:smackeddog wrote:martin wrote:This is the end game.... but when can we all get access to tests whose results are back within hours:
What I don’t get is, if one country does stringent testing and suppresses the outbreak, what happens when they stop the stringent measures? what happens once flights start again? What happens when one state that had it go rampant, starts interacting with one where few got it? Or are well all going to have to keep separate until a vaccine?(which could be a year to 18 months away). Is suppressing it completely counter productive or is it best just to play for time until there’s a vaccine?
Close the borders, shut the whole thing down and you kill the virus in 30 days.
Scary or not, inconvenient yes, un-American, unprecedented . Unbelievable. Then you get a timeline. Nobody has to fight a war. Just stay the phuch home.
Close the clubs, close bridges. 30 day snow day. We got this people. Play video games, screw, chill......easy.
But unless every country successfully does that, then the thing just keeps getting re ignited when travel resumes.
by then rapid testing will be out. And hopefully vaccines will come out SOON
I can’t trust humanity or leadership enough to do a worldwide quarantine, albeit that’s obviously the way. Are we going to do that for the next stomach virus that comes out? I fear that $hit a lot more than Covid-19. That’s me speaking selfishly though.
I'm worried about the Ebola and Covid 19 virus becoming parents because then that's game over for humanity.
2% death rate of people largely with pre existing conditions is not 'terrible'. I don't want to downplay how horrible this pandemic is.
But, this has to be a wake up call for humanity that we have entered a global world where this shit is real. People have to stop eating bats. China has to shut down their wet markets.
And here in America, we better realize competence matters in our elected officials.
And we had better look at how we raise our food. Too much homogeneity. What would have happened if instead of the virus attacking us, it attacked was super lethal to our chickens? Or it was plant born and wiped out our corn? Or wheat?
And globally, we need to invest in the science that can attack these things- both in terms of creating a vaccine, but in guiding governments when they face something like this.
dudes i’m quarantined at home with my girlfriend who got diagnosed with a mild case of it. the point i want to share is her doctor doesn’t care about her temperature - he cares about her blood oxygen level. Fortunately i had picked up an oximeter so we can monitor that and i’ll know if i have to get her to a hospital. $40 at a pharmacy or amazon - i recommend it.
Marv wrote:dudes i’m quarantined at home with my girlfriend who got diagnosed with a mild case of it. the point i want to share is her doctor doesn’t care about her temperature - he cares about her blood oxygen level. Fortunately i had picked up an oximeter so we can monitor that and i’ll know if i have to get her to a hospital. $40 at a pharmacy or amazon - i recommend it.
Holy crap, best of health to everyone.
I am guessing temp is a first indicator type of thing but oxygen is the key to how things are progressing?
martin wrote:Marv wrote:dudes i’m quarantined at home with my girlfriend who got diagnosed with a mild case of it. the point i want to share is her doctor doesn’t care about her temperature - he cares about her blood oxygen level. Fortunately i had picked up an oximeter so we can monitor that and i’ll know if i have to get her to a hospital. $40 at a pharmacy or amazon - i recommend it.
Holy crap, best of health to everyone.
I am guessing temp is a first indicator type of thing but oxygen is the key to how things are progressing?
that’s right. they’re focusing on oxygen level and/or difficult or shallow breathing as indicators of it progressing.
Marv wrote:dudes i’m quarantined at home with my girlfriend who got diagnosed with a mild case of it. the point i want to share is her doctor doesn’t care about her temperature - he cares about her blood oxygen level. Fortunately i had picked up an oximeter so we can monitor that and i’ll know if i have to get her to a hospital. $40 at a pharmacy or amazon - i recommend it.
Oh man, I knew all that booty-chasing was going to catch up with you one day! I really hope you're both okay, please let us know, must be scary but hopefully it stays mild. I think some phones (Galaxy Note 9 does) measures this (not sure how accurate but mine did show a big decrease when I went to the high altitude of Peru, and went back to normal when I got home, so it can definitely pick up some stuff.)
Marv wrote:dudes i’m quarantined at home with my girlfriend who got diagnosed with a mild case of it. the point i want to share is her doctor doesn’t care about her temperature - he cares about her blood oxygen level. Fortunately i had picked up an oximeter so we can monitor that and i’ll know if i have to get her to a hospital. $40 at a pharmacy or amazon - i recommend it.
Hope she feels better real soon. I take Pycnogenol, which some studies have found that it gets more oxygen into the blood. But its also a blood thinner. Might want to ask your doc about that. The pine version. Not the grapeseed.
California Residents told to stay home😳
GustavBahler wrote:Marv wrote:dudes i’m quarantined at home with my girlfriend who got diagnosed with a mild case of it. the point i want to share is her doctor doesn’t care about her temperature - he cares about her blood oxygen level. Fortunately i had picked up an oximeter so we can monitor that and i’ll know if i have to get her to a hospital. $40 at a pharmacy or amazon - i recommend it.
Hope she feels better real soon. I take Pycnogenol, which some studies have found that it gets more oxygen into the blood. But its also a blood thinner. Might want to ask your doc about that. The pine version. Not the grapeseed.
Pycnengol is amazing. Dropped my cholesterol 80 points in addition to a lot of other benefits. I stopped taking it about a month ago because my amazon account was hacked and I was charged over $900 dollars in one months time for Kindle Unlimited subscriptions. I disputed the purchases with my bank and got my money back but Amazon did not help at all despite many contacts with them. I love prime but it was almost a daily occurrence.
Marv wrote:martin wrote:Marv wrote:dudes i’m quarantined at home with my girlfriend who got diagnosed with a mild case of it. the point i want to share is her doctor doesn’t care about her temperature - he cares about her blood oxygen level. Fortunately i had picked up an oximeter so we can monitor that and i’ll know if i have to get her to a hospital. $40 at a pharmacy or amazon - i recommend it.
Holy crap, best of health to everyone.
I am guessing temp is a first indicator type of thing but oxygen is the key to how things are progressing?
that’s right. they’re focusing on oxygen level and/or difficult or shallow breathing as indicators of it progressing.
wow - thanks for the info
Allanfan20 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:California Residents told to stay home😳
All of California?
Yes. Gonna kill its economy - it's like one of the top 10 GDPs in the world compared to other countries? - and the Governor knows this, that's how badly the outlook is according to his intel IMHO
Marv, how goes for the both of you? What’s your health like?
Firefly, how have your hours been? What’s it like where you are at? How’s the family?
These nba guys who have covid—- they seem to be very strong. I haven’t read where any of these guys even have one symptom? Marcus smart was on tv saying he’s good to go in every way.
Hopefully this will Peter out soon and the world can straighten the ship
From what I’ve seen Americans have done an excellent job for the most part adhering to the guidelines.
And if there is a light at end of rainbow—I think in the future we will be much more equipped to deal with anything like this. We’ve also been woken up to better hygiene standards. Hoping this is just a blip on the screen
BRIGGS wrote:These nba guys who have covid—- they seem to be very strong. I haven’t read where any of these guys even have one symptom? Marcus smart was on tv saying he’s good to go in every way.Hopefully this will Peter out soon and the world can straighten the ship
From what I’ve seen Americans have done an excellent job for the most part adhering to the guidelines.
And if there is a light at end of rainbow—I think in the future we will be much more equipped to deal with anything like this. We’ve also been woken up to better hygiene standards. Hoping this is just a blip on the screen
I fear that pretty much everything on this post except for the last aspect regarding waking up on hygiene standards will have been wrong when everything is said and done...
