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Allanfan20 @ 4/8/2021 8:51 AM
Welpee wrote:My biggest fear is people getting the vaccine, going back to living life as normal (no mask, no social distancing, not sanitizing, etc.), then we see another spike in COVID during the summer. It's unbelievable the lack of discipline we have in this country. Is partying and going to bars and packing churches and going to sporting events THAT important versus getting past this thing?

If everyone gets the vaccine and the numbers plummet, what’s wrong with easing up mask wearing laws? Isn’t that the purpose of the vaccine? That’s what I got it. I don’t want to be scared of getting a haircut, going to the gym or a bar or going to the movies. I don’t want to not kiss a girl on the first date. I plan on getting back to that stuff within’ the next year, if not way sooner, so long as numbers go down.

Welpee @ 4/8/2021 9:36 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:
Welpee wrote:My biggest fear is people getting the vaccine, going back to living life as normal (no mask, no social distancing, not sanitizing, etc.), then we see another spike in COVID during the summer. It's unbelievable the lack of discipline we have in this country. Is partying and going to bars and packing churches and going to sporting events THAT important versus getting past this thing?

If everyone gets the vaccine and the numbers plummet, what’s wrong with easing up mask wearing laws? Isn’t that the purpose of the vaccine? That’s what I got it. I don’t want to be scared of getting a haircut, going to the gym or a bar or going to the movies. I don’t want to not kiss a girl on the first date. I plan on getting back to that stuff within’ the next year, if not way sooner, so long as numbers go down.

Of course, but you don't go from 0 to 100 overnight. There are so many people who have yet to get vaccinated yet with the nice weather folks are already going back to normal life way too soon in my opinion. There are people who get the shot and think they're safe the next day. Even with the vaccine it takes time for the antibodies to develop. Plus this is still relatively new for all of us. We're learning new stuff everyday about this virus and the vaccine. I just feel people are over anxious to resume normal life versus lets just ease back into it.
Allanfan20 @ 4/8/2021 10:14 AM
Welpee wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Welpee wrote:My biggest fear is people getting the vaccine, going back to living life as normal (no mask, no social distancing, not sanitizing, etc.), then we see another spike in COVID during the summer. It's unbelievable the lack of discipline we have in this country. Is partying and going to bars and packing churches and going to sporting events THAT important versus getting past this thing?

If everyone gets the vaccine and the numbers plummet, what’s wrong with easing up mask wearing laws? Isn’t that the purpose of the vaccine? That’s what I got it. I don’t want to be scared of getting a haircut, going to the gym or a bar or going to the movies. I don’t want to not kiss a girl on the first date. I plan on getting back to that stuff within’ the next year, if not way sooner, so long as numbers go down.

Of course, but you don't go from 0 to 100 overnight. There are so many people who have yet to get vaccinated yet with the nice weather folks are already going back to normal life way too soon in my opinion. There are people who get the shot and think they're safe the next day. Even with the vaccine it takes time for the antibodies to develop. Plus this is still relatively new for all of us. We're learning new stuff everyday about this virus and the vaccine. I just feel people are over anxious to resume normal life versus lets just ease back into it.

That I agree with. I thought you were implying to not even ease into it.

martin @ 4/8/2021 12:54 PM
NYKBocker wrote:
martin wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I got my 17 year old an appointment today for his 1st vaccine. My older son getting it tomorrow. My eldest got hers same week as my wife and I did. My 3rd kid got COVID last month so she has to wait 2 more months before she can get her vaccine. My family is almost fully vaccinated. Get yours soon my friends.
Glad you were able to convince the wife?
I needed all my kids to bully the wife to get the damn vaccine. 🤷

Team effort, all good

martin @ 4/8/2021 12:56 PM
It's good info, please keep it up if you are up to it. Thanks

Clean wrote:I made a long post a few days ago about vaccines and Covid variants. I ended up deleting it because I don't usually like to make long posts but these variants are getting way too dangerous. It turns out even if you are vaccinated with Pfizer or Moderna they don't work as well vs some variants. It is believed that these variants are created when the virus infects an immunocompromised person. The virus lives inside the person for an extended amount of time enabling it to create mutations while battling a weakened immune system. For example, B.1.1.7 aka the UK variant was traced back to a cancer patient who had Covid for 101 day before he died. He had a weakened immune system and was treated with antiviral and antibody treatments. The virus used that environment to mutate enough to avoid antibodies.

The P.1 variant is more recently discovered than B.1.1.7. P.1 is looking like it might be the most dangerous yet. vaccines are not nearly as effective against it and its killings younger people at much higher rates. This variant originated in Brazil and has now taken over most cases. Brazil just reached 4k deaths a day threshold.

Even though you might get both doses of your vaccine they are not nearly as effective against these new variants. Still wear you mask and keep your guard up until a majority of the population are vaccinated and it lessens the amount of variants.

Allanfan20 @ 4/8/2021 5:14 PM
martin wrote:It's good info, please keep it up if you are up to it. Thanks

Clean wrote:I made a long post a few days ago about vaccines and Covid variants. I ended up deleting it because I don't usually like to make long posts but these variants are getting way too dangerous. It turns out even if you are vaccinated with Pfizer or Moderna they don't work as well vs some variants. It is believed that these variants are created when the virus infects an immunocompromised person. The virus lives inside the person for an extended amount of time enabling it to create mutations while battling a weakened immune system. For example, B.1.1.7 aka the UK variant was traced back to a cancer patient who had Covid for 101 day before he died. He had a weakened immune system and was treated with antiviral and antibody treatments. The virus used that environment to mutate enough to avoid antibodies.

The P.1 variant is more recently discovered than B.1.1.7. P.1 is looking like it might be the most dangerous yet. vaccines are not nearly as effective against it and its killings younger people at much higher rates. This variant originated in Brazil and has now taken over most cases. Brazil just reached 4k deaths a day threshold.

Even though you might get both doses of your vaccine they are not nearly as effective against these new variants. Still wear you mask and keep your guard up until a majority of the population are vaccinated and it lessens the amount of variants.

I missed part of it and there was a GREAT interview on the Michel Kay show. They interviewed a doctor and he spoke very well and honestly about the virus and variants and vaccines. If it’s on the ESPN app, I recommend it.

Allanfan20 @ 4/8/2021 7:05 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
martin wrote:It's good info, please keep it up if you are up to it. Thanks

Clean wrote:I made a long post a few days ago about vaccines and Covid variants. I ended up deleting it because I don't usually like to make long posts but these variants are getting way too dangerous. It turns out even if you are vaccinated with Pfizer or Moderna they don't work as well vs some variants. It is believed that these variants are created when the virus infects an immunocompromised person. The virus lives inside the person for an extended amount of time enabling it to create mutations while battling a weakened immune system. For example, B.1.1.7 aka the UK variant was traced back to a cancer patient who had Covid for 101 day before he died. He had a weakened immune system and was treated with antiviral and antibody treatments. The virus used that environment to mutate enough to avoid antibodies.

The P.1 variant is more recently discovered than B.1.1.7. P.1 is looking like it might be the most dangerous yet. vaccines are not nearly as effective against it and its killings younger people at much higher rates. This variant originated in Brazil and has now taken over most cases. Brazil just reached 4k deaths a day threshold.

Even though you might get both doses of your vaccine they are not nearly as effective against these new variants. Still wear you mask and keep your guard up until a majority of the population are vaccinated and it lessens the amount of variants.

I missed part of it and there was a GREAT interview on the Michel Kay show. They interviewed a doctor and he spoke very well and honestly about the virus and variants and vaccines. If it’s on the ESPN app, I recommend it.

It’s Dr. Phillip Ozuah and it’s on the ESPN app.

Welpee @ 4/8/2021 10:32 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
martin wrote:It's good info, please keep it up if you are up to it. Thanks

Clean wrote:I made a long post a few days ago about vaccines and Covid variants. I ended up deleting it because I don't usually like to make long posts but these variants are getting way too dangerous. It turns out even if you are vaccinated with Pfizer or Moderna they don't work as well vs some variants. It is believed that these variants are created when the virus infects an immunocompromised person. The virus lives inside the person for an extended amount of time enabling it to create mutations while battling a weakened immune system. For example, B.1.1.7 aka the UK variant was traced back to a cancer patient who had Covid for 101 day before he died. He had a weakened immune system and was treated with antiviral and antibody treatments. The virus used that environment to mutate enough to avoid antibodies.

The P.1 variant is more recently discovered than B.1.1.7. P.1 is looking like it might be the most dangerous yet. vaccines are not nearly as effective against it and its killings younger people at much higher rates. This variant originated in Brazil and has now taken over most cases. Brazil just reached 4k deaths a day threshold.

Even though you might get both doses of your vaccine they are not nearly as effective against these new variants. Still wear you mask and keep your guard up until a majority of the population are vaccinated and it lessens the amount of variants.

I missed part of it and there was a GREAT interview on the Michel Kay show. They interviewed a doctor and he spoke very well and honestly about the virus and variants and vaccines. If it’s on the ESPN app, I recommend it.

It’s Dr. Phillip Ozuah and it’s on the ESPN app.

https://www.espn.com/radio/play/_/id/312...
ESOMKnicks @ 4/9/2021 3:48 PM
After two weeks of caring for a person sick with the coronavirus, spending 24 hours together locked up in the same apartment, not really taking any precautions (no mask, no separate dishes) I am testing negative and have an antibody count of 330 per mg (anything above 10/mg protects you). Get the vaccine, folks!
smackeddog @ 4/10/2021 11:29 AM
ESOMKnicks wrote:After two weeks of caring for a person sick with the coronavirus, spending 24 hours together locked up in the same apartment, not really taking any precautions (no mask, no separate dishes) I am testing negative and have an antibody count of 330 per mg (anything above 10/mg protects you). Get the vaccine, folks!

Really glad the vaccine is protecting you! I had my second dose of Pfizer on Thursday, arm was more sore than the first time, but apart from that, no other symptoms.

Clean @ 4/10/2021 11:48 AM
This is the single most informative video on COVID I have watched. It is a little long but I think it is worth it. He covers everything. A very interesting thing he said is that it seems like the most problematic variant seems to have similar mutations that allow them to avoid antibodies. He said this can be a good thing because that could mean that the virus has so few mutations to avoid antibodies that it resorts to using the same ones. That an updated vaccine booster shot that covers those problematic mutations would work extremely well.

Clean @ 4/11/2021 9:14 PM
I am usually pro Vaccine but I would stay clear of this one. If you more info on this click on the tweet and read his other tweets in the chain.


Allanfan20 @ 4/11/2021 11:17 PM
Clean wrote:I am usually pro Vaccine but I would stay clear of this one. If you more info on this click on the tweet and read his other tweets in the chain.


AZ is the infamous Oxford one, which is also the one Bill Gates has his hands in. There have been shakg reports of that for months. They had to pause trials bc a participant died. Their numbers were never all too impressive. Yads yada.

Clean @ 4/12/2021 12:05 AM
Holy Crap! If this works this is a game changer.

martin @ 4/12/2021 12:19 AM
Clean wrote:Holy Crap! If this works this is a game changer.

AMAZING.

Thanks

Allanfan20 @ 4/12/2021 12:34 AM
martin wrote:
Clean wrote:Holy Crap! If this works this is a game changer.

AMAZING.

Thanks

That’s pretty stunning if that does actually work. I sure hope it does.

martin @ 4/12/2021 1:49 AM

smackeddog @ 4/12/2021 4:52 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:
Clean wrote:I am usually pro Vaccine but I would stay clear of this one. If you more info on this click on the tweet and read his other tweets in the chain.


AZ is the infamous Oxford one, which is also the one Bill Gates has his hands in. There have been shakg reports of that for months. They had to pause trials bc a participant died. Their numbers were never all too impressive. Yads yada.

The vaccine is way safer than taking your chances with covid (especially since we have no idea about the real impact of long covid. The AZ vaccine initially messed up with their clinical trials as they were devised from an academic standpoint (so they wanted to check different aspects, doses etc) rather than a pharmaceutical one. However since then they've re-done the clinical trial to US standards and found it to be very effective (varies depending on country and variant and trial, but looks like 80% or so efficacy (plus 100% vs death from covid), which is great. Like all the vaccines, looks like it will be much less effective vs the strain first identified in South Africa.

People should make an informed decision, but I don't think it's helpful to infer Bill gates type conspiracies or exaggerate the risk (it ends up with people saying "ooh, I heard that one isn't safe!"). If I had a choice, I'd go for Pfizer or Moderna as they have a slightly higher efficay, but if it was AZ or no vaccine, I'd definitely go with AZ

https://theconversation.com/how-good-is-...

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-0...

https://patient.info/news-and-features/a...

Allanfan20 @ 4/12/2021 4:59 AM
smackeddog wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Clean wrote:I am usually pro Vaccine but I would stay clear of this one. If you more info on this click on the tweet and read his other tweets in the chain.


AZ is the infamous Oxford one, which is also the one Bill Gates has his hands in. There have been shakg reports of that for months. They had to pause trials bc a participant died. Their numbers were never all too impressive. Yads yada.

The vaccine is way safer than taking your chances with covid (especially since we have no idea about the real impact of long covid. The AZ vaccine initially messed up with their clinical trials as they were devised from an academic standpoint (so they wanted to check different aspects, doses etc) rather than a pharmaceutical one. However since then they've re-done the clinical trial to US standards and found it to be very effective (varies depending on country and variant and trial, but looks like 80% or so efficacy (plus 100% vs death from covid), which is great. Like all the vaccines, looks like it will be much less effective vs the strain first identified in South Africa.

People should make an informed decision, but I don't think it's helpful to infer Bill gates type conspiracies or exaggerate the risk (it ends up with people saying "ooh, I heard that one isn't safe!"). If I had a choice, I'd go for Pfizer or Moderna as they have a slightly higher efficay, but if it was AZ or no vaccine, I'd definitely go with AZ

https://theconversation.com/how-good-is-...

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-0...

https://patient.info/news-and-features/a...

I didn’t make any references towards conspiracies. In fact, I never agreed with that (or most in general) conspiracy. Otherwise, your points are well taken.

With that said, I do remember at one point that their stock went up a bit last Summer, one pre-market morning, because there were reports that their vaccines caused the body to produce t-cells but later in the day, the rest of the numbers weren’t all too great, compared to the other vAccines, so the stock came back to Earth. I actually remember that quite well.

smackeddog @ 4/12/2021 3:59 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Clean wrote:I am usually pro Vaccine but I would stay clear of this one. If you more info on this click on the tweet and read his other tweets in the chain.


AZ is the infamous Oxford one, which is also the one Bill Gates has his hands in. There have been shakg reports of that for months. They had to pause trials bc a participant died. Their numbers were never all too impressive. Yads yada.

The vaccine is way safer than taking your chances with covid (especially since we have no idea about the real impact of long covid. The AZ vaccine initially messed up with their clinical trials as they were devised from an academic standpoint (so they wanted to check different aspects, doses etc) rather than a pharmaceutical one. However since then they've re-done the clinical trial to US standards and found it to be very effective (varies depending on country and variant and trial, but looks like 80% or so efficacy (plus 100% vs death from covid), which is great. Like all the vaccines, looks like it will be much less effective vs the strain first identified in South Africa.

People should make an informed decision, but I don't think it's helpful to infer Bill gates type conspiracies or exaggerate the risk (it ends up with people saying "ooh, I heard that one isn't safe!"). If I had a choice, I'd go for Pfizer or Moderna as they have a slightly higher efficay, but if it was AZ or no vaccine, I'd definitely go with AZ

https://theconversation.com/how-good-is-...

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-0...

https://patient.info/news-and-features/a...

I didn’t make any references towards conspiracies. In fact, I never agreed with that (or most in general) conspiracy. Otherwise, your points are well taken.

With that said, I do remember at one point that their stock went up a bit last Summer, one pre-market morning, because there were reports that their vaccines caused the body to produce t-cells but later in the day, the rest of the numbers weren’t all too great, compared to the other vAccines, so the stock came back to Earth. I actually remember that quite well.

Sorry, wasn’t fully directed at you, just these things snowball (one person says they heard it’s not safe, then someone reads that and passes it on and suddenly the grapevine says it’s not safe, which can be harmful and not true, though I understand the anxiety).

AZ was never going to do well on the stock market as they are selling it at cost price. Globally it’s the main hope for most countries because of this (a lot of countries can’t afford Pfizer, or moderna) and it’s more easily storeable. Ethically, AZ vaccine is trying to do the right thing (mainly because the Oxford scientist who designed it insisted on it- originally they wanted to make it patent free but were persuaded to settle for cost price availability), unlike other vaccines. It’s cheap, it’s safe, it’s more practical for developing countries, but the main problem is efficacy against the variant first identified in South Africa, however hopefully a booster shot later in the year will be designed to overcome that.

NYKBocker @ 4/12/2021 8:47 PM
Got my 2nd shot today. Woohoo! Feeling good. Hopefully it stays this way. I even went to the gym.
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