Knicks · OT: Coronavirus updates/info (page 87)

Allanfan20 @ 5/28/2021 9:57 AM
martin wrote:

A lot of parents absolutely hate this. A lot of parents are also begging to get their kids to stop wearing masks. Oh boy.

Clean @ 6/21/2021 12:26 AM

It looks like the Variant that came from India is the worlds most dangerous one now. They are now calling it the Delta variant. It was able to create a mini outbreak in New Zealand where cases have been mostly non existent. Fully vaxed people can still get sick with it by just being near people for seconds. I have been fully vaxed for months but still wear a mask everywhere that is not on my property.

Clean @ 6/21/2021 6:46 PM

While being vaxed does help this variant is so crazy that almost half of the deaths from the variant in England were fully vaxed people.
martin @ 6/21/2021 7:10 PM
Clean wrote:
While being vaxed does help this variant is so crazy that almost half of the deaths from the variant in England were fully vaxed people.

oh this is scary

BRIGGS @ 6/21/2021 7:31 PM
martin wrote:
Clean wrote:
While being vaxed does help this variant is so crazy that almost half of the deaths from the variant in England were fully vaxed people.

oh this is scary

The us has to see this and restrict travel shut borders. If we don’t take advanced measures we’re gonna have the Spanish flu on our hands —-KEEP wearing masks. Keep up social distancing. Be restrictive !!!! Err on side of caution. OR the amount of deaths we saw before WILL be smallish

Too much confidence with fax. Not enough info on variant

smackeddog @ 6/22/2021 5:30 AM
martin wrote:
Clean wrote:
While being vaxed does help this variant is so crazy that almost half of the deaths from the variant in England were fully vaxed people.

oh this is scary

I'm a bit wary of Eric Feigl-Ding, he's been very sensationalist throughout his twitter posts and tends to over state things. Deaths are extremely low in the UK, so 45% sounds like a lot but if you look at the actual numbers, it's pretty miniscule and too small to conclude much. UK's gvt has been saying so far:

The analysis suggests:

the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is 96% effective against hospitalisation after 2 doses
the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is 92% effective against hospitalisation after 2 doses
These are comparable with vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation from the Alpha variant.

Further work remains underway to establish the level of protection against mortality from the Delta variant. However, as with other variants, this is expected to be high.

The analysis included 14,019 cases of the Delta variant – 166 of whom were hospitalised – between 12 April and 4 June, looking at emergency hospital admissions in England.

Public Health England (PHE) has previously published analysis showing that one dose is 17% less effective at preventing symptomatic illness from the Delta variant, compared to Alpha, but there is only a small difference after 2 doses.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vacci...

So good news the vaccines are looking to be very effective vs this strain, the worry for the US is the Delta variant impact on the unvaccinated, of which they are many- it's looking like it could be 60% more transmittable than the UK variant (which in turn was 40% more transmittable than the original), could be more likely to result in hospitalization too. Has a different set of symptoms too (headache, runny nose, feels like a bad cold) and may spread more among children.

Public Health Englands latest figures also indicate 2 doses of Pfizer has 88% effectiveness vs symptomatic disease (this just means you show some symptoms, not necessarily serious or end up in hospital) and AZ is 67%, which means you should hopefully be okay if you do get it, but you could end up being a carrier and infecting someone who isn't vaccinated.

martin @ 6/22/2021 11:25 AM
He is a scientist who tends towards over-caution. Sensationalist is absolutely the wrong word to describe him.

Take in your information as you may but he is VERY reliable.

smackeddog wrote:I'm a bit wary of Eric Feigl-Ding, he's been very sensationalist throughout his twitter posts and tends to over state things.
smackeddog @ 6/22/2021 1:42 PM
martin wrote:He is a scientist who tends towards over-caution. Sensationalist is absolutely the wrong word to describe him.

Take in your information as you may but he is VERY reliable.

It's stuff like this that I mean by sensationalist:

Does he really need to capitalize the first bit? He seems to do it quite a lot, once you get past that his stats and analysis are fine, just wish he won't put the caps lock spin on things first

martin @ 6/22/2021 1:50 PM
smackeddog wrote:
martin wrote:He is a scientist who tends towards over-caution. Sensationalist is absolutely the wrong word to describe him.

Take in your information as you may but he is VERY reliable.

It's stuff like this that I mean by sensationalist:

Does he really need to capitalize the first bit? He seems to do it quite a lot, once you get past that his stats and analysis are fine, just wish he won't put the caps lock spin on things first

CAUSE IT'S FUCKING SCARY AND SHOULD BE HIGHLIGHTED

smackeddog @ 6/22/2021 2:00 PM
martin wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
martin wrote:He is a scientist who tends towards over-caution. Sensationalist is absolutely the wrong word to describe him.

Take in your information as you may but he is VERY reliable.

It's stuff like this that I mean by sensationalist:

Does he really need to capitalize the first bit? He seems to do it quite a lot, once you get past that his stats and analysis are fine, just wish he won't put the caps lock spin on things first

CAUSE IT'S FUCKING SCARY AND SHOULD BE HIGHLIGHTED

IF IT'S SCARY NEWS IT DOESN'T NEED EXTRA CAPITALIZING!!!!!!!!

On a serious note, if you're fully vaccinated you're a lot better protected both against symptomatic infection, and more so vs hospitalization and death (not sure about 1 shot of Johnsons yet), but the sheer number of unvaccinated people is going to make this potentially brutal in terms of spread and hospitalizations

smackeddog @ 6/29/2021 8:34 AM
Ah, here are the figures the UK is using regarding the vaccines efficacy vs the Delta variant:

Allanfan20 @ 6/29/2021 9:37 AM
Yeah I read somewhere that even though some people still get the Delta with the second Pfizer shot (haven’t seen anything on Moderna yet) it still goes right in line with the percentages. It’s still very effective and greatly prevents hospitalization.
ToddTT @ 6/29/2021 2:26 PM
Variants will be just like the original strain to me. I’m less concerned about dying than I am about having prolonged or lifelong side effects.

Still think way too many people are letting their guard down too soon.

BRIGGS @ 7/4/2021 1:10 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/delta-variant...

Clean @ 7/4/2021 8:26 PM
BRIGGS wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/delta-variant...

To add to that

The best news yet is that while this variant spreads the fastest and sometimes still infect people who are vaccinated the vaccines are doing their job and people are usually just fine after being infected. I can live with a strain that spreads faster if vaccines are still effective on it. Only idiot anti vaxers will be harmed and that is just Darwinism playing itself out.

smackeddog @ 7/5/2021 3:20 AM
Clean wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/delta-variant...

To add to that

The best news yet is that while this variant spreads the fastest and sometimes still infect people who are vaccinated the vaccines are doing their job and people are usually just fine after being infected. I can live with a strain that spreads faster if vaccines are still effective on it. Only idiot anti vaxers will be harmed and that is just Darwinism playing itself out.

The main worry with Delta is with countries that have very low vaccination rates, which is most of the world outside of the wealthier countries- could be horrific

Clean @ 7/5/2021 8:38 AM
smackeddog wrote:
Clean wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/delta-variant...

To add to that

The best news yet is that while this variant spreads the fastest and sometimes still infect people who are vaccinated the vaccines are doing their job and people are usually just fine after being infected. I can live with a strain that spreads faster if vaccines are still effective on it. Only idiot anti vaxers will be harmed and that is just Darwinism playing itself out.

The main worry with Delta is with countries that have very low vaccination rates, which is most of the world outside of the wealthier countries- could be horrific

Good Point. Its hard for me to remember not everyone has access to vaccines as easily as we do. Someone I loosely know lives in Japan and had to book 2 trips to Hawaii to get vaccinated because it would be a long time before he could in Japan.

smackeddog @ 7/5/2021 1:13 PM
Clean wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Clean wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/delta-variant...

To add to that

The best news yet is that while this variant spreads the fastest and sometimes still infect people who are vaccinated the vaccines are doing their job and people are usually just fine after being infected. I can live with a strain that spreads faster if vaccines are still effective on it. Only idiot anti vaxers will be harmed and that is just Darwinism playing itself out.

The main worry with Delta is with countries that have very low vaccination rates, which is most of the world outside of the wealthier countries- could be horrific

Good Point. Its hard for me to remember not everyone has access to vaccines as easily as we do. Someone I loosely know lives in Japan and had to book 2 trips to Hawaii to get vaccinated because it would be a long time before he could in Japan.

Most of my family live in Egypt, think the vaccination rate is 2% there, similar to a lot of African countries. A lot of asian countries and South American ones had pretty poor access to vaccines- Australia and New Zealand too. Likely China and Russia will be supply a big chunk of vaccines to a lot of these countries, but I'm not sure what they're meant to do in the mean time, especially with the Delta variant on the prowl. That's why there was a push to have the intellectual property rights waived, to try and boast manufacturing. As usual business interests do the "oh, it's more complicated than you think, that would actually have the opposite effect", followed by months of wrangling, no action, so the moment passes and it no longer remains an option.

martin @ 7/5/2021 1:57 PM
smackeddog wrote:That's why there was a push to have the intellectual property rights waived, to try and boast manufacturing. As usual business interests do the "oh, it's more complicated than you think, that would actually have the opposite effect", followed by months of wrangling, no action, so the moment passes and it no longer remains an option.

IDK but I feel like that's just a gross oversimplification of the "intellectual property rights waived" argument amounting to the lack of enough vaccines out there.

It's like 1 of a 20+ major step process that could take place but ignores all of the other hurdles out there that are just as significant and equally as daunting, each of which has its own 20+ major step process and set of hurdles to get over and all of them intricately tied.

Waiving intellectual property rights is not a magic wand as you have framed it.

martin @ 7/5/2021 2:01 PM
If there is more Delta variants, this is going to get much worse in hot pockets.

smackeddog @ 7/5/2021 3:58 PM
JCrusher wrote:My heart goes out to all those around the world still dealing with the CHINA virus. Hopefully everyone doing well!!!

The virus doesn’t have a nationality, it’s a virus, but the rest of the sentiment is welcome

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